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  What is mass? gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-09-23 11:02 -0500
    Re: What is mass? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 18:55 +0200
    Re: What is mass? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-09-23 16:59 +0000
      Re: What is mass? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 19:12 +0200
        Re: What is mass? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 19:17 +0200
        Re: What is mass? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-09-23 17:34 +0000
          Re: What is mass? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 20:35 +0200
            Re: What is mass? omnilobe@gmail.com - 2015-09-23 12:40 -0700
            Re: What is mass? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-09-23 21:44 +0000
              Re: What is mass? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 08:50 +0200
                Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 22:34 -0700
          Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-26 08:35 +0200
            Re: What is mass? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-09-26 12:35 +0000
              Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-26 15:37 +0200
                Re: What is mass? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 07:14 -0700
                  Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-26 16:17 +0200
            a-hem; m = F/a is also gOOd noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 17:16 -0700
              Re: a-hem; m = F/a is also gOOd Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-27 03:26 +0200
                top-posting is frpowned upon by certain advertizers ... just don't ask them, why not noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 15:53 -0700
                  What is mass (was: top-posting is frpowned upon by certain advertizers ... just don't ask them, why not) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-28 17:05 +0200
                    a.k.a photonics -- thanks for the tip (pi dollars is gOOd noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 11:28 -0700
                      Re: a.k.a photonics -- thanks for the tip (pi dollars is gOOd Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 21:01 +0200
                        no skwares in the medium of space noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 19:29 -0700
      Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 23:07 -0700
    Re: What is mass? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:01 -0700
      Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 23:40 -0700
    Re: What is mass? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 13:36 -0700
    Re: What is mass? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-09-28 02:13 -0400
      Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 09:27 -0700
        Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 04:31 +0200
          Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 00:29 -0700
            Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 13:21 +0200
              Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 13:34 +0200
              Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 05:19 -0700
          Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 05:40 -0700
            Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 15:11 +0200
              Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 06:37 -0700
                Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 16:22 +0200
                  Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 07:51 -0700
                    Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 18:45 +0200
                      Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 11:06 -0700
                        Re: What is mass? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-09-29 21:00 +0200
                          Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 13:47 -0700
                            Re: What is mass? "Ma Hipple" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-09-30 07:20 -0700
                Re: What is mass? "Alan Smith" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-09-29 07:33 -0700
            Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 02:21 -0700
              Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 19:11 -0700
                Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 00:39 -0700
                  Re: What is mass? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 18:38 -0700
                    Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 18:50 -0700
                      Re: What is mass? "Eric Smith" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-10-05 20:01 -0700
                        Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 20:49 -0700
                      Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 03:18 -0700
                Re: What is mass? "Fred Smith" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-10-06 17:41 -0700
                  Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 19:38 -0700
                    Re: What is mass? "Greg Smith" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-10-07 06:59 -0700
                      Re: What is mass? gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-10-07 09:03 -0500
                        Re: What is mass? "Hank Smith" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-10-07 07:20 -0700
                          Re: What is mass? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 08:11 -0700
                            Re: What is mass? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 16:07 -0700
                              Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 00:18 -0700
                                Re: What is mass? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 06:15 -0700
                                  Re: What is mass? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 01:11 -0700
                                    Re: What is mass? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 16:43 -0700
                                Re: What is mass? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 12:34 -0700

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#523770

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 12:45:29 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Mahipal wrote:
> 
> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 10:22:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars'
> > Lahn wrote:
> 
> It's attribution *line*; _not_ attribution novel.

Bits are cheap these days. Leave others' content intact. Especially mine.
 
> >> Mahipal wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-4, Thomas
> >> > 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> >> Mahipal wrote:
> >> >> > [...] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> >> >> Mahipal wrote:
> >> >> >> > Regardless of Newton, your equation above is not due to Einstein.
> >> >> >> Yes, it *is* (due to [*because of*] Einstein).  From "Ist die
> >> >> >> Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieinhalt abhängig?" (1905;
> >> >> >> "Does the inertia of a body depend upon its energy content?"):
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Italian+E%3Dmcc follow your
> >> >> > links.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As I understand SW technologies, Google can personalize the search
> >> >> > results you might be allowed to read (i.e. Chinese Google, ...).
> >> >> 
> >> >> Probably you mean
> >> >> 
> >> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olinto_De_Pretto>
> >> >> 
> >> >> (If yes, why did you not refer to it?)
> >> > It's right there in the search results. More than just Wiki.
> >> It does not work this way.
> > 
> > It's not my search engine, you're welcome to use any other.
> > We the humans write all over the WWW, Google indexes us all.
> 
> You misunderstand.  I mean that a constructive discussion does not work this 
> way.  For in a constructive discussion, one does not make a claim, gives 
> keywords for a Web search, and waits for others to find the evidence; 
> instead, one *directly* references the evidence that backs up one's 
> position.  Failure to produce direct evidence for one's position is 
> indicative of an empty claim, often of mere belief, wishful thinking and 
> hearsay.

The fact remains, regardless of my personal level of understanding. If
it makes you feel superior to gauge my level of it, I am not here to
stop you. Ususally, liars project when the truth challenges them.

I am not here to reinvent the wheel, others have written as is evident.

> For example, I have referred (you) to a particular Wikipedia article, 
> because there you can find evidence (with references - you are making the 
> common mistake of discounting Wikipedia too quickly; it does have a 
> *scientific*, encyclopaedic approach) that De Pretto did not write "E = 
> mc²".

I read Wiki all the time. I enjoy their physics/math content
especially. I am not going to re-quote Wiki here, ever.

> You would be well-advised to subscribe to <news:sci.physics.relativity> 
> where we have discussed these issues numerous times.

I recall how and why s.p.r was first established. So, no. Thanks.
Nothing against s.p.r, there are countably many NGs that I avoid.

> >> >> > [energy-momentum relation]
> >> >> > If there isn't a differential in the equation, then... Yawn yawn
> >> >> > YAWN.
> >> >> There does not have to be a differential in *this* equation.
> >> > What's with all these *s of yours?
> >> Asterisks are used for emphasis in a plain-text communications medium
> >> like Usenet.
> > 
> > I knew that. Each of your words is important, so no need for *s.
> 
> You will have to leave my posting style to me.  I thought it important to 
> emphasize the word "this".  Had you followed the reference I have given, you 
> would have found out that there are differentials in the equations from 
> where this equation can be derived.

Ok, your writing style is fine and is your privilege. I wasn't complaining.

Per my Library Cards, I have read more physics books than I could ever list.
  
> >> > What age are you, thirty something?
> >> Ad hominem.
> > 
> > No Thomas, mine's just a simple friendly question.
> 
> Doubtful.  You have asked that question when referring to maturity and 
> emoticons, saying that you would be "too mature" to use emoticons.  which, 
> as I have used an emoticon here, implies that you think an age of "thirty 
> something" is not mature.

Your doubt is misplaced, PointedEars. 
 
> Besides, my age is irrelevant to this discussion, and none of your business 
> anyway.

Your age is relevant. My age is relevant. Issac Newton's age is
relevant. When I meet any people, their age is relevant. Period.

In current Social Media Society (SMS), age is the prime factor.
In corporate USofAmerica, age is a major factor, see Intern DiNero.
Age Discrimination, it's not just a crime anymore, it's The Norm!

> > Got emoticon for that?
> 
> I use emoticons where appropriate; I use them sparingly because I assume 
> that people have a sense of humor.

People with a good sense of homour don't require emoticons as crutches. 

> >> --
> >> Q: Why is electricity so dangerous?
> >> A: It doesn't conduct itself.
> >> 
> >> (from: WolframAlpha)
> > 
> > -- Mahipal 'WolframAlpha should get a Comedy Central gig.'
> 
> They just collect known scientific jokes.  Among many other things, most of 
> which are rather serious, you can ask WolframAlpha to give you a math joke 
> (the default), a physics joke, or a chemistry joke:
> 
> <http://www.wolframalpha.com/examples/Surprises.html>

I frequently visit WolframAlpha, Mathematica, Matlab, Octave, etc...

> PointedEars
> -- 
> Q: What did the nuclear physicist post on the laboratory door
>    when he went camping?  
> A: 'Gone fission'.
> (from: WolframAlpha)

-- Mahipal 'Jokes can be funn(y)... whoKnew?!'

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#523784

Mahipal wrote:

> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Mahipal wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 10:22:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas
>> > 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> 
>> It's attribution *line*; _not_ attribution novel.
> 
> Bits are cheap these days.

Free time is not.

> Leave others' content intact. Especially mine.

Again, you are not in a position to make demands here.

> The fact remains,

There is no fact without evidence to support it.

> I am not here to reinvent the wheel, others have written as is evident.

Parroting nonsense does not change it from being nonsense.

Unless you have anything *substantial* to add to your argument, EOD for me.


PointedEars
-- 
A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#523805

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 3:00:05 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Mahipal wrote:
> 
> > [...] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> Mahipal wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 10:22:32 AM UTC-4, Thomas
> >> > 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> 
> >> It's attribution *line*; _not_ attribution novel.
> > 
> > Bits are cheap these days.
> 
> Free time is not.

No time is free. Everyone is caged within it.
 
> > Leave others' content intact. Especially mine.
> 
> Again, you are not in a position to make demands here.

Usenet etiquette can evolve. Despite those who edit wastefully.
 
> > The fact remains,
> 
> There is no fact without evidence to support it.

Prove it. Fact is, you avoided your age question. Happy Birthday.
 
> > I am not here to reinvent the wheel, others have written as is evident.
> 
> Parroting nonsense does not change it from being nonsense.

I parroted nobody and nothing. Buy a mirror PointedEars.
 
> Unless you have anything *substantial* to add to your argument, EOD for me.

My discussion was with Yousuf Khan, you felt the need to shield him. 
Not at all a bad job. Do try let your ego come down to Earth a bit.

> PointedEars
> -- 
> A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
> The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."
> 
> (from: WolframAlpha)

-- Mahipal "Neutrons have no legs. I live in bars. Cheers! Enjo(y)."

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#523941

Adios, dipshit.

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#523735

Mahipal, 14 August 2015:

> A lot of posters do not like me. Apparently. By a lot, I mean a
> lot Lot LOT of people.  A lot! I hurt their sensibilities. It's like I
> was once married to them all. Regardless... I am leaving Usenet
> now and forever. It's their playground and I obviously am not
> welcome.

> So goodbye Goodbye GOODBYE.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.physics/UIfOYtrXEMc/DCrgBtWzmxUJ

Adios, you impotent blithering mega-troll.

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#523918

On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 3:40:37 PM   > (from: WolframAlpha)
> 
> -- Mahipal "Given 'We = Us + Them' so let's Divide and Conquer!"

====================================
the formula 
>   E² = (pc)² + (mc²)² 
is not for bet energy !!

it is for a MIXTURE  of energy and particles 

ATB
Y.Porat
===========================================

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#524593

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 5:21:51 AM UTC-4, Y.Porat wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 3:40:37 PM   > (from: WolframAlpha)
> > 
> > -- Mahipal "Given 'We = Us + Them' so let's Divide and Conquer!"
> 
> ====================================
> the formula 
> >   E² = (pc)² + (mc²)² 
> is not for bet energy !!
> 
> it is for a MIXTURE  of energy and particles 
> 
> ATB
> Y.Porat
> ===========================================

Good point Porat. It is a weird mixture of momentum and energy.
Somebody was really impressed with Pythagoreans' Formula. Squared!  

-- Mahipal

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#524612

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 5:12:02 AM UTC+3, Mahipal wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 5:21:51 AM UTC-4, Y.Porat wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 29, 2015 at 3:40:37 PM   > (from: WolframAlpha)
> > > 
> > > -- Mahipal "Given 'We = Us + Them' so let's Divide and Conquer!"
> > 
> > ====================================
> > the formula 
> > >   E² = (pc)² + (mc²)² 
> > is not for bet energy !!
> > 
> > it is for a MIXTURE  of energy and particles 
> > 
> > ATB
> > Y.Porat
> > ===========================================
> 
> Good point Porat. It is a weird mixture of momentum and energy.
> Somebody was really impressed with Pythagoreans' Formula. Squared!  
> 
> -- Mahipal

============================
welcome 

E=hf 
is good and comprehensive enough to tell you 
anything you need for energy of photons 

EVEN PHOTON MASS !!
BECAUSE h CONTAINS 'KILOGRAM'
and nothing to multiply that Kilogran
NOT BY ZERO
NOR BY ANYTHING RELATIVISTIC !!

========================================
NO MASS - THE ONLY MASS !- NO REAL PHYSICS !!
==========================================
ATB
Y.Porat
==============

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#524815

you are such a bad reader, a)
of English, b)

> > > >   E² = (pc)² + (mc²)² 

> > Somebody was really impressed with Pythagoreans' Formula. Squared!  
> E=hf 

> NOR BY ANYTHING RELATIVISTIC !!

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#524817

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:38:07 PM UTC-4, noTthaTguY wrote:
> you are such a bad reader, a)
> of English, b)
> 
> > > > >   E² = (pc)² + (mc²)² 
> 
> > > Somebody was really impressed with Pythagoreans' Formula. Squared!  
> > E=hf 
> 
> > NOR BY ANYTHING RELATIVISTIC !!

A) Physics is not a, an, or any English limited medium
B) Your keyboard output should be force redirected to /dev/null
C) Why do you dilute the quality of human discussions? Mole?
D) Never Forget, Always Remember (NFAR)... point B.

-- Mahipal

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#524826

Mahipal, 14 August 2015:

> A lot of posters do not like me. Apparently. By a
> lot, I mean a lot Lot LOT of people. I hurt their sensibilities.
> It's like I was once married to them all. Regardless... I am leaving
> Usenet now and forever. It's their playground and I obviously am
> not welcome.

> So goodbye Goodbye GOODBYE.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.physics/UIfOYtrXEMc/DCrgBtWzmxUJ

Adios, knuckle-head.

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#524832

On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 11:01:48 PM UTC-4, Eric Smith wrote:
> Mahipal, 14 August 2015:
> 
> > A lot of posters do not like me. Apparently. By a
> > lot, I mean a lot Lot LOT of people. I hurt their sensibilities.
> > It's like I was once married to them all. Regardless... I am leaving
> > Usenet now and forever. It's their playground and I obviously am
> > not welcome.
> 
> > So goodbye Goodbye GOODBYE.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.physics/UIfOYtrXEMc/DCrgBtWzmxUJ
> 
> Adios, knuckle-head.

Mmm
Stalk me gently
Stalk me slowly
Take it easy
Don't you know
That I have never been loved like this before

Baby, baby
Stalk me gently
Stalk me slowly
Take it easy
Don't you know
That I have never been loved like this before

Read more: Andy Kim - Rock Me Gently Lyrics | MetroLyrics   
Listen more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxsKkTFDKRQ

-- Mahipal, pronounced "My Pal" or "Maple"... as in Loops, Syrup, Wood.

http://mahipal7638.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/meforce.pdf 

                          /\  "If the line between science fiction and
                            /   science fact doesn't drive you crazy,
 /\                         \   then you're just not tr(y)ing!"
 \           /\/\  /  \   \/                    Mahipal Virdy
 /   ==    \  /  \/\/                         The |meforce> Paradox
 \/

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#524863

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 4:50:45 AM UTC+3, Mahipal wrote:
> On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 9:38:07 PM UTC-4, noTthaTguY wrote:
> > you are such a bad reader, a)
> > of English, b)
> > 
> > > > > >   E² = (pc)² + (mc²)² 
> > 
> > > > Somebody was really impressed with Pythagoreans' Formula. Squared!  
> > > E=hf 
> > 
> > > NOR BY ANYTHING RELATIVISTIC !!
> 
> A) Physics is not a, an, or any English limited medium
> B) Your keyboard output should be force redirected to /dev/null
> C) Why do you dilute the quality of human discussions? Mole?
> D) Never Forget, Always Remember (NFAR)... point B.
> 
> -- Mahipal

========================
well  said !!!
Y.P
==================================

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#524998

Adios, dipshit.

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#525012

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 8:41:35 PM UTC-4, Fred Smith wrote:
> Adios, dipshit.

Not good with words you are. Nor can you contribute anything.

Without a single on-topic word to add, you have historically
demonstrated you have a problem with a single poster, namely me.

Usenet has killfiles for a reason. They work really well on those who
do not nym-shift their names with every single post. So... GFYS.

O wait Wait WAIT ... Look who I am talking to!! Adios.

-- Mahipal 'This is Usenet and I am a key student of Physics.'

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#525069

Adios, you retarded mouthload of dog poop.

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#525071

On 10/7/2015 8:59 AM, Greg Smith wrote:
> Adios, you retarded mouthload of dog poop.
>

you have previous experience of that ?

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#525073

Mahipal, 14 August 2015:

> A lot of posters do not like me. Apparently. By a
> lot, I mean a lot Lot LOT of people. I hurt their sensibilities.
> It's like I was once married to them all. Regardless... I am leaving
> Usenet now and forever. It's their playground and I obviously am
> not welcome.

> So goodbye Goodbye GOODBYE.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.physics/UIfOYtrXEMc/DCrgBtWzmxUJ

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#525080

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-4, Hank Smith wrote:
> Mahipal, 14 August 2015:
> 
> > A lot of posters do not like me. Apparently. By a
> > lot, I mean a lot Lot LOT of people. I hurt their sensibilities.
> > It's like I was once married to them all. Regardless... I am leaving
> > Usenet now and forever. It's their playground and I obviously am
> > not welcome.
> 
> > So goodbye Goodbye GOODBYE.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.physics/UIfOYtrXEMc/DCrgBtWzmxUJ

That thread's Subject: Lie La Lie

Taking words out of context is also a crime.

-- Mahipal "Learn to read Read READ!"

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#525159

mass is energy with a tighter diameter of revolution/
rotation

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