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Gravity creates Entropy

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  Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 18:22 -0700
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-09 18:52 -0700
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 21:35 -0500
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-09 20:19 -0700
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 06:18 -0400
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 09:33 -0700
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-10 10:14 -0700
          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 11:09 -0700
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-10 18:45 +0000
              Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 13:03 -0700
                Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 14:21 -0700
                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 15:05 -0700
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 17:11 -0500
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 00:07 +0000
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 18:11 -0700
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 05:25 +0000
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 23:44 -0700
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 12:37 +0000
                Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-10 22:22 +0000
                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 15:31 -0700
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 17:32 -0500
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 16:14 -0700
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 07:50 -0500
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 06:44 -0700
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 14:16 +0000
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:40 -0500
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:51 -0500
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 01:43 +0000
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 15:07 -0400
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-09 19:10 -0700
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:54 -0700
      Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 10:52 -0700
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 13:22 -0500
          Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 11:38 -0700
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 14:01 -0500
        Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-11 19:08 +0000
          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 12:18 -0700
            Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 15:40 -0700
              Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 18:06 -0500
                Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 17:33 -0700
                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 20:09 -0500
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 00:02 -0400
                    Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 07:49 -0700
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-14 05:00 +0000
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 06:20 -0700
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-14 14:04 +0000
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:48 -0700
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 11:57 -0700
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-14 13:05 -0700
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 13:19 -0700
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 11:14 -0500
                      Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:38 -0500
                        Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 08:22 -0700
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 18:10 +0200
                            Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 12:37 -0700
                              Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:06 -0500
                                Re: Gravity creates Entropy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 02:41 -0700
                                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 08:04 -0500
                                  Re: Gravity creates Entropy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-09-15 14:24 +0000
                          Re: Gravity creates Entropy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 12:57 -0500
    Re: Gravity creates Entropy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 11:57 -0700

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#520047 — Gravity creates Entropy

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-09 18:22 -0700
SubjectGravity creates Entropy
Message-ID<461d2abb-7e39-4906-af92-dd00dd079dbd@googlegroups.com>
Have thoughts that matter is adding to space energy.Hmmm  Like its evaporating into space.Its a cosmic constant going continually.Its the key to space expanding at an accelerated rate.Its dark energy at work.I now think this will come to be the only energy in the cosmos in 10 trillion years from now. TreBert

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#520052

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2015-09-09 18:52 -0700
Message-ID<c3de632e-7925-4ed9-8404-184201ec65af@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520047
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> Have thoughts that matter is adding to space energy.Hmmm  Like its evaporating into space.Its a cosmic constant going continually.Its the key to space expanding at an accelerated rate.Its dark energy at work.I now think this will come to be the only energy in the cosmos in 10 trillion years from now. TreBert


Bert, I was thinking about gravity early this morning, when all of a sudden it all came to me.  The same force that causes space to expand (dark energy) is the same force that pushes masses together (gravity)!  It is a great simplification!

Double-A

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#520067

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-09 21:35 -0500
Message-ID<se6dnX56UZAfcW3InZ2dnUU7-YmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#520052
On 9/9/15 8:52 PM, Double-A wrote:
> The same force that causes space to expand (dark energy) is the same force that pushes masses together (gravity)!  It is a great simplification!


   IIRC General relativity predicts repulsive gravity.

-- 

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#520075

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2015-09-09 20:19 -0700
Message-ID<msqsrk$8jb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#520067
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>   IIRC General relativity predicts repulsive gravity.
> 

hanson wrote:
GR predicts all kind of pitiful, bizarre Gednanken farts,
imaginary stuff and items, which is why GR is utterly
USELESS physics crap that  already 60+ years ago, 
2 years before he died, when...
<http://tinyurl.com/Einstein-denied-his-SR-and-GR
and Albert concluded that:
____ SR is short for STUPID RANT _____ & that
____ GR stands for GULLIBLE RECITAL _____
>
They real backdrop of this historic calamity was
posted in your all time best tripe for SR and GR in
<http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
for which you must be given credit, kudos and
at least 5 attaboys for. Taken care Sam! -- hanson

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#520091

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 06:18 -0400
Message-ID<msrlaf$gi8$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#520052
On 9/9/2015 9:52 PM, Double-A wrote:
>
> Bert, I was thinking about gravity early this morning, when all of a
> sudden it all came to me.  The same force that causes space to expand
> (dark energy) is the same force that pushes masses together
> (gravity)!  It is a great simplification!


It would be a wonderful idea save for the fact that it's 100% wrong.
Therefore I predict that Bert will love it.



-- 
Woodland Critters Christmas
https://goo.gl/DysCAl

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#520110

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 09:33 -0700
Message-ID<935f3e79-c4a8-4acf-a901-0fe4f8065818@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520052
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 6:53:00 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > Have thoughts that matter is adding to space energy.Hmmm  Like its evaporating into space.Its a cosmic constant going continually.Its the key to space expanding at an accelerated rate.Its dark energy at work.I now think this will come to be the only energy in the cosmos in 10 trillion years from now. TreBert
> 
> 
> Bert, I was thinking about gravity early this morning, when all of a sudden it all came to me.  The same force that causes space to expand (dark energy) is the same force that pushes masses together (gravity)!  It is a great simplification!
> 
> Double-A

AA That is the source of gravity its its dark energy for space expansion and gravities inward push force. TreBert

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#520113

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2015-09-10 10:14 -0700
Message-ID<mssdng$m26$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#520110
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> Glazier, the Swine woke up in his
25 year old Van, shit into his bucket, swallowed his 11 pills and
washed them down with beer, which got Glazier the Swine loaded 
and high enough to present his Gutter Physics & Glazierola, after
he listened to his ass-buddy "Double A" who said:
"It is a great simplification! ... which is an understatement that
becomes clear as soon as...
>
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> :B::ert Glazier, the Swine,
Hate filled War monger, Jewish Jailbird, Face-shitter and
Graveyard Vandal, Thief, Racist, Bigot & Criminal Communist
Traitor Sympathizer "reber g=emc^2" introduced himself
as/with
>
:B:: "I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex &
:B:: an IQ of 122", & "I do know how everything works,.."
:B:: "Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
:B:: "I'm a non-bible(torra) Jew I'm the only Jew that
:B:: got 2 letters from two Popes". Bert
:B:: "I'm M&M's Clueless Fuck-faced turd".Bert.
:B:: "I gave G=EMC^2 (wrong & stolen) to the world"
:B:: "Israel will drop its first H-bomb 'David' ". TreBert
:B:: __"I'm glad when war breaks out"__ Bert
:B:: "I'll be sitting on Benj's, Saul Levi's & HVAC's
:B:: face to take a shit & say: "Open your mouth wide".
:B:: "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And laugh".
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
:B:: "Even the FBI has me as a trouble maker and
:B:: the FBI blocks my phone from calling them. "....
:B:: cuz "I was mixing sulfur,carbon & iron together
:B:: to make gun powder" ....
>

<http://tinyurl.com/G-EMC2-Recall-Therapy>
<http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier>.



>

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#520118

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 11:09 -0700
Message-ID<6e6fc02a-c67c-432c-b558-d8c49d9d24c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520113
I have been saying this for a long time, now.
Electrons give off energy of the same
kind as the Sun's neutrinos, in the same
way, for the same reason. The
neutrinos from electrons are scaled-down
versions of those from the Sun.

Neutrinos from the Sun push on the
Sun's center- the center of the Galaxy-
promoting galactic separation.
Smaller-scale neutrinos from electrons
push on the atoms' centers- promoting
Gravity

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#520122

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-09-10 18:45 +0000
Message-ID<mssj54$e0s$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#520118
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

<snip gibberish>

>Neutrinos from the Sun push on the
>Sun's center- the center of the Galaxy-
>promoting galactic separation.

No, they don't.

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#520136

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 13:03 -0700
Message-ID<c09689b0-b9e8-4b61-a4b8-32751619cac1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520122
Michael
You say that neutrinos are not
absorbed by BHs?
I don't understand why you would say
this?

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#520156

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 14:21 -0700
Message-ID<c6374df3-95f8-4b66-a52f-9680068fcdfd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520136
On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 1:04:01 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Michael
> You say that neutrinos are not
> absorbed by BHs?
> I don't understand why you would say
> this?

John To get out of a BH stuff has to go much faster than c.That is a given.TreBert

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#520175

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 15:05 -0700
Message-ID<4dbed79c-275c-4e61-a352-87d9a80665b1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520156
Michael
Neutrinos are everywhere by the
gadzillions- they go right through
matter.
Are you saying that they go right
through BHs as well?
Are you saying that neutrino energy just
continues on out of the Universe?

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#520176

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 17:11 -0500
Message-ID<mssv6n$657$2@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#520175
On 9/10/2015 5:05 PM, john wrote:
> Michael
> Neutrinos are everywhere by the
> gadzillions- they go right through
> matter.
> Are you saying that they go right
> through BHs as well?
> Are you saying that neutrino energy just
> continues on out of the Universe?

A black hole is a region that is separated from our accessible universe, 
John. Anything that passes the boundary of a black hole (the event 
horizon) is no longer part of our acccessible universe. This includes 
any matter or energy that crosses that boundary.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#520205

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-09-11 00:07 +0000
Message-ID<mst60i$le0$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#520175
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>Neutrinos are everywhere by the
>gadzillions- they go right through
>matter.
>Are you saying that they go right
>through BHs as well?

I never said that.

>Are you saying that neutrino energy just
>continues on out of the Universe?

Not "out of the Universe", but the vast majority will just go on and on 
and on forever.

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#520219

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 18:11 -0700
Message-ID<65d7e776-45f0-4d81-b1a6-ca32665b6f77@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520205
So, Michael, you are saying that
the energy in neutrinos is,
for the most part, simply lost?

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#520243

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-09-11 05:25 +0000
Message-ID<mstoku$14s$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#520219
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>So, Michael, you are saying that
>the energy in neutrinos is,
>for the most part, simply lost?

It's still there, it just can't be retrieved. Just like if you drop a gold
ring overboard in a deep part of the ocean.  It didn't cease to exist,
it's there on the bottom somewhere, it just can't be retrieved.

Neutrino energy is part of the heat death of the universe.

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#520246

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 23:44 -0700
Message-ID<ee971f39-b79a-463e-bce3-df5efe94c685@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520243
What about Olber?
Go far enough through enough
"tiny" BHs, you have to hit one.
And like you say, nothing else
absorbs neutrinos.
So all of them HAVE to hit one.
UNLESS the Universe is not
infinite

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#520268

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-09-11 12:37 +0000
Message-ID<msuhud$3d5$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#520246
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>What about Olber?

What about Olber.  He argued the sky would be ablaze if the universe was
infinite.  This does not imply the converse, the universe having an
infinity of black holes because the sky is dark.

>Go far enough through enough
>"tiny" BHs, you have to hit one.
>And like you say, nothing else
>absorbs neutrinos.

But there is no infinity of "tiny" black holes.

>So all of them HAVE to hit one.

Why?

>UNLESS the Universe is not
>infinite

The universe has a visible radius of c* the time since the Big Bang.

(actually Olber was correct.  The sky _is_ ablaze -- just that the light
has been redshifted to absurdity.  The cosmic background radiation!)

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#520178

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-09-10 22:22 +0000
Message-ID<mssvrj$7ui$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#520136
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>You say that neutrinos are not
>absorbed by BHs?
>I don't understand why you would say
>this?

You wrote:

>>>Neutrinos from the Sun push on the
>>>Sun's center- the center of the Galaxy-
>>>promoting galactic separation.

So tell me, what is the angular cross section of the black hole at the
center of our galaxy, as seen from the Sun or Earth.

Since you mentioned "promoting galactic separation", now tell us what the
angular cross section of the black hole at the center of the Andromeda
Galaxy is.

While any neutrino that just happens to go _exactly_ at that teeny tiny 
patch of sky will eventually be absorbed by the black hole there, what 
will be the effect of such a tiny number of neutrinos that actually do
strike there have on the black hole?

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#520182

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-10 15:31 -0700
Message-ID<d74c8cf5-6cac-4063-a418-faf39211609e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#520178
Michael
Billions and billions of neutrinos are
going right through your finger
EVERY SECOND.
So- now- tiny amount? What?
If BHs are the only thing that stops
them, ALL the energy from ALL the
neutrinos are being stopped by them.
That's like 5% of ALL energy.

What do YOU think happens to the
energy from neutrinos,
Michael?

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