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  Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 15:50 -0500
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-27 16:52 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 19:07 -0500
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 22:22 -0400
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-09-01 21:57 -0500
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 15:25 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-01 15:44 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 14:46 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-03 15:24 -0700
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:55 -0700
                Glazier's Hole in his Brain is Fantastically Insane "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-03 17:11 -0700
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 18:15 -0500
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-04 16:53 -0700
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 19:22 -0500
                    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 18:11 -0700
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 06:52 -0400
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 12:19 -0700
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-05 12:53 -0700
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-05 13:04 -0700
                    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 12:37 -0700
                      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-06 13:06 -0700
                      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-06 14:40 -0700
                        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 15:36 -0700
        Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 20:23 -0700
          Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:23 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-04 10:30 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:15 -0700
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:56 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:35 -0700
                  Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:39 -0700
            Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 12:30 -0700
              Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-05 13:58 -0700
                Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 17:02 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 14:49 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-09-03 15:27 -0700
    Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2015-09-04 07:21 -0700
      Re: Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 10:29 -0400

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#519355

<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> Swine "reber g=emc^2" wrote:
That is good micro thinking. Good reasoning tells us why. TreBert
AA I relate Hawking's physical condition worse than Reeves(superman)
 When my late wife Ruth went into the Tandem nursing home 
it coat $914 a week out of our savings.  I feel safe in Calif. Rick Scott 
could be the dark horse.He is the GOP Godfather's favorite son.
Its him or another Bush. Trumps hair might catch fire. Bert
>
hanson wrote:
Glazier, it's noon your time and you are already drunk and
loaded like the Swine that you are. The subject line and the
discussion is about real physics and NOT about the Glazierola
of ...
>
On 11/22/2014, Glazier G=EMC^2 TreBert, wrote:
"Had I stayed in Mass. My own daughter Sheri would
make sure I was in a nursing home. That was my
main reason for this old man to go west,for the best.
Once your in a nursing home your as good as dead".

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#519382

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 12:20:01 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 4:15:53 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > On 9/3/15 5:24 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > Are you saying that Hawking's Hawking Radiation Theory is a little flaky?
> > > > >
> > > > > Double-A
> > > > 
> > > >    If BHs obey the laws of physics, like everything else in the
> > > >    universe, then BHs have temperature and radiate. Hawking radiation
> > > >    (based on quantum mechanics) provides a mechanism which satisfies
> > > >    the laws of thermodynamics.
> > > > 
> > > >    Jacob Bekenstein, Physicist Who Revolutionized Theory of Black Holes,
> > > >    Dies at 68
> > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/science/space/jacob-bekenstein-physicist-who-revolutionized-theory-of-black-holes-dies-at-68.html
> > > > 
> > > >  > Jacob Bekenstein, a physicist who prevailed in an argument with
> > > >  > Stephen Hawking that revolutionized the study of black holes, and
> > > >  > indeed the nature of space-time itself, died on Sunday in Helsinki,
> > > >  > Finland, where he was to give a physics lecture. He was 68.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > The cause was a heart attack, said the Hebrew University of
> > > >  > Jerusalem, where Dr. Bekenstein was the Michael Polak professor
> > > >  > emeritus of theoretical physics.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Dr. Bekenstein's greatest achievement came in the early 1970s, when
> > > >  > he was a graduate student at Princeton and got into a feud with Dr.
> > > >  > Hawking, the celebrated physicist and expert on black holes.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Black holes are the prima donnas of Einstein's general theory of
> > > >  > relativity, which predicts that space wraps itself completely around
> > > >  > some object, causing it to disappear as a black hole. Dr. Bekenstein
> > > >  > suggested in his Ph.D. thesis that the black hole's entropy, a
> > > >  > measure of the disorder or wasted energy in a system, was
> > > >  > proportional to the area of a black hole's event horizon, the
> > > >  > spherical surface in space from which there is no return. According
> > > >  > to accepted physical laws, including Dr. Hawking's own work, neither
> > > >  > entropy nor the area of a black hole could ever decrease.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > 
> > > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> > > > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> > > > community, and physics-related social issues.
> > > 
> > > Sam BH obey not classical macro thinking.Stuff going into a BH is reduced to particles.No elements No molecules. That is good micro thinking.QM is a theory just about particles.  Good reasoning tells us why. TreBert
> > 
> > 
> > A black hole is a suspension of time.  Unlike a neutron star, or a quark star, there is no need for stuff to be reduced to particle, or quark soup.  The density of a black hole the size of the solar system not be near great enough to require that.  
> > 
> > Double-A
> 
> AA I relate Hawking's physical condition worse than Reeves(superman) Yet Reeve's brain gave up the fight for life.I'm surprised that Hawking has not gone into a comerIt was costing Reeves 1 million a year.When my late wife Ruth went into the Tandem nursing home it coat $914 a week out of our savings,and Rick Scott who owned Tandem billed medicare $70,000 each year.In all GOPer Rick Scott stole 1.7 billion.He had 50 hearings.Took the 5th 75 times.Did he go to jail? NO  He spent $200,000,000 and is the governor of Florida. He is a Severn Trent Avatar Mafia big gun. I feel safe in Calif. Rick Scott could be the dark horse.He is the GOP Godfather's favorite son.Its him or another Bush. Trumps hair might catch fire. Bert


So long as Hawkings has this physics gig going, he will be well taken care of.

Double-A

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#519410

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 2:40:43 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 12:20:01 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 4:15:53 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > On 9/3/15 5:24 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > > Are you saying that Hawking's Hawking Radiation Theory is a little flaky?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Double-A
> > > > > 
> > > > >    If BHs obey the laws of physics, like everything else in the
> > > > >    universe, then BHs have temperature and radiate. Hawking radiation
> > > > >    (based on quantum mechanics) provides a mechanism which satisfies
> > > > >    the laws of thermodynamics.
> > > > > 
> > > > >    Jacob Bekenstein, Physicist Who Revolutionized Theory of Black Holes,
> > > > >    Dies at 68
> > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/science/space/jacob-bekenstein-physicist-who-revolutionized-theory-of-black-holes-dies-at-68.html
> > > > > 
> > > > >  > Jacob Bekenstein, a physicist who prevailed in an argument with
> > > > >  > Stephen Hawking that revolutionized the study of black holes, and
> > > > >  > indeed the nature of space-time itself, died on Sunday in Helsinki,
> > > > >  > Finland, where he was to give a physics lecture. He was 68.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > The cause was a heart attack, said the Hebrew University of
> > > > >  > Jerusalem, where Dr. Bekenstein was the Michael Polak professor
> > > > >  > emeritus of theoretical physics.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Dr. Bekenstein's greatest achievement came in the early 1970s, when
> > > > >  > he was a graduate student at Princeton and got into a feud with Dr.
> > > > >  > Hawking, the celebrated physicist and expert on black holes.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Black holes are the prima donnas of Einstein's general theory of
> > > > >  > relativity, which predicts that space wraps itself completely around
> > > > >  > some object, causing it to disappear as a black hole. Dr. Bekenstein
> > > > >  > suggested in his Ph.D. thesis that the black hole's entropy, a
> > > > >  > measure of the disorder or wasted energy in a system, was
> > > > >  > proportional to the area of a black hole's event horizon, the
> > > > >  > spherical surface in space from which there is no return. According
> > > > >  > to accepted physical laws, including Dr. Hawking's own work, neither
> > > > >  > entropy nor the area of a black hole could ever decrease.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > 
> > > > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> > > > > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> > > > > community, and physics-related social issues.
> > > > 
> > > > Sam BH obey not classical macro thinking.Stuff going into a BH is reduced to particles.No elements No molecules. That is good micro thinking.QM is a theory just about particles.  Good reasoning tells us why. TreBert
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A black hole is a suspension of time.  Unlike a neutron star, or a quark star, there is no need for stuff to be reduced to particle, or quark soup.  The density of a black hole the size of the solar system not be near great enough to require that.  
> > > 
> > > Double-A
> > 
> > AA I relate Hawking's physical condition worse than Reeves(superman) Yet Reeve's brain gave up the fight for life.I'm surprised that Hawking has not gone into a comerIt was costing Reeves 1 million a year.When my late wife Ruth went into the Tandem nursing home it coat $914 a week out of our savings,and Rick Scott who owned Tandem billed medicare $70,000 each year.In all GOPer Rick Scott stole 1.7 billion.He had 50 hearings.Took the 5th 75 times.Did he go to jail? NO  He spent $200,000,000 and is the governor of Florida. He is a Severn Trent Avatar Mafia big gun. I feel safe in Calif. Rick Scott could be the dark horse.He is the GOP Godfather's favorite son.Its him or another Bush. Trumps hair might catch fire. Bert
> 
> 
> So long as Hawkings has this physics gig going, he will be well taken care of.
> 
> Double-A

I think Hawking as a great math person.He is not a great far out thinker.Thus he never had a chance for a Nobel.Just the opposite of Feynman,Einstein or Bohr. Still I admire him for not giving into the bad hand nature dealt him. TreBert

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#518642

reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 4:52:56 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > > > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> > >
> > >
> > > > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > > > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > > > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> >
> >
> > Isn't he now contradicting what he said just a few years ago?  Could Alzheimers finally be setting in?
> >
> > Double-A
> 
> AA I think Pemrose has a lot to say,and helps Hawking all he can.Hawking's name to fame is his books sell great.He uses no math. His life made a good movie,and had great acting. >Hawking said and I agree "Black holes can come in any size." TreBert


Stephen Hawking has the same predictable pattern...
he just want to convince the world to travel to other worlds.


When Hawking says go to a black hole and ""you might end up" in another universe" is just
a trick to convince you that black holes are gateways to other universe.

You don't actually believe he believes a word of it himself, do you?

It's a con.


I say, we push Stephen Hawking into a Black Hole and watch him scream.

https://youtu.be/U_WEvWcVoFw?t=82

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#518855

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 4:52:56 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > > > > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > > > > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > > > > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> > >
> > >
> > > Isn't he now contradicting what he said just a few years ago?  Could Alzheimers finally be setting in?
> > >
> > > Double-A
> >
> > AA I think Pemrose has a lot to say,and helps Hawking all he can.Hawking's name to fame is his books sell great.He uses no math. His life made a good movie,and had great acting. >Hawking said and I agree "Black holes can come in any size." TreBert
> 
> Stephen Hawking has the same predictable pattern...
> he just want to convince the world to travel to other worlds.
> 
> When Hawking says go to a black hole and ""you might end up" in another universe" is just
> a trick to convince you that black holes are gateways to other universe.
> 
> You don't actually believe he believes a word of it himself, do you?
> 
> It's a con.
> 
> I say, we push Stephen Hawking into a Black Hole and watch him scream.
> 
> https://youtu.be/U_WEvWcVoFw?t=82



Who is going to be the first astronut to go into a black hole? How about a Black astronut? Neil-- deGrasse Tyson


Black astronuts lives don't matter, is that right?

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#518920

<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> Glazier the Swine "G=EMC^2TreBert" wrote:
> All four hate mongers Trebert, Bert, Treb and reber have to be pitied.They 
> are not mentally capable of posting. The police know them,and
they are being watched because
Glazier, the Swine, Hate filled War monger, Jewish Jailbird,
Face-shitter and Graveyard Vandal, Thief, Racist, Bigot &
Criminal Communist Traitor Sympathizer "reber g=emc^2"
posted
>
(3)
On 06Dec2014, Swine Glazier said to Jacoby "benj"
<nobody@gmail.com>: Reality is you always post under
me for you are an ass kisser. For Christmas I'll shit on your kisser.
Benj, you can thank me in advance. - TreBert. ... after which...
>
(2)
On 07Feb 2015 & on 08Feb2015, when the Jewish Swine wrote:
Harlow HVAC, Mr.HVAC@gmail.com, Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net
& Jacoby Benj, <nobody@gmail.com>: "I'll be sitting on your face
to take a shit & say: "Open wide". ... and he continued after
>
(1)
On 25Mar2008 Swine Glazier wrote in:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3ffe7b2257cf8a9a
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.physics/uYtpFTRnW4k/morPVyJ7_j8J
Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And have agood laugh
when it seeps down on your face. -- Bert.
>
<http://tinyurl.com/G-EMC2-Recall-Therapy>
<http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier>.

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#518934

mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> 
> W dniu piątek, 4 września 2015 09:23:06 UTC+2 użytkownik The Starmaker napisał:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 4:52:56 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > > Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > > > > > > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > > > > > > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > > > > > > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't he now contradicting what he said just a few years ago?  Could Alzheimers finally be setting in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Double-A
> > > >
> > > > AA I think Pemrose has a lot to say,and helps Hawking all he can.Hawking's name to fame is his books sell great.He uses no math. His life made a good movie,and had great acting. >Hawking said and I agree "Black holes can come in any size." TreBert
> > >
> > > Stephen Hawking has the same predictable pattern...
> > > he just want to convince the world to travel to other worlds.
> > >
> > > When Hawking says go to a black hole and ""you might end up" in another universe" is just
> > > a trick to convince you that black holes are gateways to other universe.
> > >
> > > You don't actually believe he believes a word of it himself, do you?
> > >
> > > It's a con.
> > >
> > > I say, we push Stephen Hawking into a Black Hole and watch him scream.
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/U_WEvWcVoFw?t=82
> >
> >
> >
> > Who is going to be the first astronut to go into a black hole? How about a Black astronut? Neil-- deGrasse Tyson
> >
> >
> > Black astronuts lives don't matter, is that right?
> 
> If You read the Ingenious Shit carefully,
> You will know, that, from the point of view
> of a distant observer (i.e. all of us) the
> process of a black hole creation takes
> an infinite time.
> In other words, the Shit says directly,
> that for us black holes don't exist and will
> never exist. They exist only from a point of
> view of an observer falling into it. I.e.
> from a point of view of nobody.


"infinite time"? I'm not sure if 'infinite time' exist...

and the rest of the stuff don't make sense.

Which means, i suspect you're posting garbage.

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#518942

where from light cannot escape out, there in light cannot enter either. the velocity addition was tested for v = 0.999...(9) of c and so v won't go higher than c. but if you test the velocity addition for v = 1.00000000000...1 or more of c you can also notice that v cannot lower down below c. a substitution of type u = i c might be required. but it still stands: if the event horizon is so solid block for the light from in to escape out then so it is solid border for light to enter in from out which in a way makes the black holes sub universes nested inside universes from above. 

note: i don't buy any of the post newtonian physics. for me, everything is lever as system of weights on their reciprocal distances where each weight-distance pair is global summary representer of its own local sub lever.

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#518952

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:56:15 PM UTC+2, dobri karagorgov wrote:
> where from light cannot escape out, there in light cannot enter either. the velocity addition was tested for v = 0.999...(9) of c and so v won't go higher than c. but if you test the velocity addition for v = 1.00000000000...1 or more of c you can also notice that v cannot lower down below c. a substitution of type u = i c might be required. but it still stands: if the event horizon is so solid block for the light from in to escape out then so it is solid border for light to enter in from out which in a way makes the black holes sub universes nested inside universes from above. 
> 
> note: i don't buy any of the post newtonian physics. for me, everything is lever as system of weights on their reciprocal distances where each weight-distance pair is global summary representer of its own local sub lever.

alpha...x/0=0/1=1/infinity=infinity/y...omega

how much is x and how much is y ??? alpha is zero^infinity and omega is infinity^infinity. 

levers allow central symmetry, symmetry against axis, symmetry against ellipse, symmetry against ellipsoid and so on... for every yin dot inside the event horizon there is yang dot outside of it and yin / R = R / yang. 

there's more: the center of the event horizon as ellipsoid doesn't have to be dot-point like circle with radius zero but it can be another event horizon with radius half of that in which it is and then the infinity edge of the initial universe comes on 2 R distance from the initial event horizon center which now is zero@infinity.origin 

that is how utopia arranges the universe of sub universes and universe from above. black holes are super isolated closed subsystems inside the universe and the universe is black hole for the space out beyond its black sky.

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#518953

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 11:35:03 PM UTC+2, dobri karagorgov wrote:
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:56:15 PM UTC+2, dobri karagorgov wrote:
> > where from light cannot escape out, there in light cannot enter either. the velocity addition was tested for v = 0.999...(9) of c and so v won't go higher than c. but if you test the velocity addition for v = 1.00000000000...1 or more of c you can also notice that v cannot lower down below c. a substitution of type u = i c might be required. but it still stands: if the event horizon is so solid block for the light from in to escape out then so it is solid border for light to enter in from out which in a way makes the black holes sub universes nested inside universes from above. 
> > 
> > note: i don't buy any of the post newtonian physics. for me, everything is lever as system of weights on their reciprocal distances where each weight-distance pair is global summary representer of its own local sub lever.
> 
> alpha...x/0=0/1=1/infinity=infinity/y...omega
> 
> how much is x and how much is y ??? alpha is zero^infinity and omega is infinity^infinity. 
> 
> levers allow central symmetry, symmetry against axis, symmetry against ellipse, symmetry against ellipsoid and so on... for every yin dot inside the event horizon there is yang dot outside of it and yin / R = R / yang. 
> 
> there's more: the center of the event horizon as ellipsoid doesn't have to be dot-point like circle with radius zero but it can be another event horizon with radius half of that in which it is and then the infinity edge of the initial universe comes on 2 R distance from the initial event horizon center which now is zero@infinity.origin 
> 
> that is how utopia arranges the universe of sub universes and universe from above. black holes are super isolated closed subsystems inside the universe and the universe is black hole for the space out beyond its black sky.

https://sites.google.com/site/dedanoesmadmatica/home/utopia_numeric_plane.JPG

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#519130

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 12:23:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 4:52:56 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > > > > > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > > > > > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > > > > > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Isn't he now contradicting what he said just a few years ago?  Could Alzheimers finally be setting in?
> > > >
> > > > Double-A
> > >
> > > AA I think Pemrose has a lot to say,and helps Hawking all he can.Hawking's name to fame is his books sell great.He uses no math. His life made a good movie,and had great acting. >Hawking said and I agree "Black holes can come in any size." TreBert
> > 
> > Stephen Hawking has the same predictable pattern...
> > he just want to convince the world to travel to other worlds.
> > 
> > When Hawking says go to a black hole and ""you might end up" in another universe" is just
> > a trick to convince you that black holes are gateways to other universe.
> > 
> > You don't actually believe he believes a word of it himself, do you?
> > 
> > It's a con.
> > 
> > I say, we push Stephen Hawking into a Black Hole and watch him scream.
> > 
> > https://youtu.be/U_WEvWcVoFw?t=82
> 
> 
> 
> Who is going to be the first astronut to go into a black hole? How about a Black astronut? Neil-- deGrasse Tyson
> 
> 
> Black astronuts lives don't matter, is that right?

Starmaker BH is a one way arrow.Only a robot will be used.The most interesting feature is just outside the event horizon,and that is where the computer robor will orbit. It will be done by a classIII humankind.It will happen 285,000,000 years from now.Don't hold your breath. TreBert

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#519155

reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> 
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 12:23:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 4:52:56 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > > Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > > > > > > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > > > > > > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > > > > > > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't he now contradicting what he said just a few years ago?  Could Alzheimers finally be setting in?
> > > > >
> > > > > Double-A
> > > >
> > > > AA I think Pemrose has a lot to say,and helps Hawking all he can.Hawking's name to fame is his books sell great.He uses no math. His life made a good movie,and had great acting. >Hawking said and I agree "Black holes can come in any size." TreBert
> > >
> > > Stephen Hawking has the same predictable pattern...
> > > he just want to convince the world to travel to other worlds.
> > >
> > > When Hawking says go to a black hole and ""you might end up" in another universe" is just
> > > a trick to convince you that black holes are gateways to other universe.
> > >
> > > You don't actually believe he believes a word of it himself, do you?
> > >
> > > It's a con.
> > >
> > > I say, we push Stephen Hawking into a Black Hole and watch him scream.
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/U_WEvWcVoFw?t=82
> >
> >
> >
> > Who is going to be the first astronut to go into a black hole? How about a Black astronut? Neil-- deGrasse Tyson
> >
> >
> > Black astronuts lives don't matter, is that right?
> 
> Starmaker BH is a one way arrow.Only a robot will be used.The most interesting feature is just outside the event horizon,and that is where the computer robor will orbit. It will be done by a classIII humankind.It will happen 285,000,000 years from now.Don't hold your breath. TreBert



by the time they use a robot to go into a black hole, that robot will be
demanding his right not to go.

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#519197

On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 1:58:17 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > 
> > On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 12:23:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 4:52:56 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > > > Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > > > > > > > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > > > > > > > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > > > > > > > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't he now contradicting what he said just a few years ago?  Could Alzheimers finally be setting in?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Double-A
> > > > >
> > > > > AA I think Pemrose has a lot to say,and helps Hawking all he can.Hawking's name to fame is his books sell great.He uses no math. His life made a good movie,and had great acting. >Hawking said and I agree "Black holes can come in any size." TreBert
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Hawking has the same predictable pattern...
> > > > he just want to convince the world to travel to other worlds.
> > > >
> > > > When Hawking says go to a black hole and ""you might end up" in another universe" is just
> > > > a trick to convince you that black holes are gateways to other universe.
> > > >
> > > > You don't actually believe he believes a word of it himself, do you?
> > > >
> > > > It's a con.
> > > >
> > > > I say, we push Stephen Hawking into a Black Hole and watch him scream.
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/U_WEvWcVoFw?t=82
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Who is going to be the first astronut to go into a black hole? How about a Black astronut? Neil-- deGrasse Tyson
> > >
> > >
> > > Black astronuts lives don't matter, is that right?
> > 
> > Starmaker BH is a one way arrow.Only a robot will be used.The most interesting feature is just outside the event horizon,and that is where the computer robor will orbit. It will be done by a classIII humankind.It will happen 285,000,000 years from now.Don't hold your breath. TreBert
> 
> 
> 
> by the time they use a robot to go into a black hole, that robot will be
> demanding his right not to go.

Starmaker The robot passing through the surface of a BH would end up as a big chip.It would be a computer that gives no information.No EM waves.Entropy ends inside a BH.Hawking had it right before he went and listened to Berkinstein.He claims stuff can get out of a BH.Ask him "What stuff"? TreBert

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#518771

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> 
> 
> > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> >
> > That's the celebrated physicist's latest answer to the so-called
> > "information paradox" -- the conundrum that black holes appear to
> > swallow matter, which, according to the laws of quantum mechanics, is
> > totally batshit insane and not possible. At a public lecture in
> > Stockholm this week, Hawking offered these comforting words to any
> > would-be deep space travelers: "If you feel you are in a black hole,
> > don't give up. There's a way out."
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

Reality is tiny black holes are everywhere.To find them we best look at  under our nose and inside the atoms that make up our nose. TreBert

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#518787

<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> Swine Glazier the senile Cretin wrote:
<snip Glazier's Gutter physics & Glazierola> and repost Glazier's 
promise from yesterday:
Treb had a post on Time but Treb rold me its not worth his time to post.
Sad but eality. Seems no one is left. I'm hoping to get into twitter.
Some group that is meaningful. TreBert
>
hanson  wrote:
What are you doing back here, Glazier, you lying, filthy Swine!!?
Was your IQ of 122 not high enough to get you onto Twitter?... or ...
did Twitter kick you out as soon as... 
>
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> :B::ert Glazier, the Swine,
Hate filled War monger, Jewish Jailbird, Face-shitter and
Graveyard Vandal, Thief, Racist, Bigot & Criminal Communist
Traitor Sympathizer "reber g=emc^2" introduced himself 
as/with
>
:B:: "I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex &
:B:: an IQ of 122", & "I do know how everything works,.."
:B:: "Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
:B:: "I'm a non-bible(torra) Jew I'm the only Jew that
:B:: got 2 letters from two Popes". Bert
:B:: "I'm M&M's Clueless Fuck-faced turd".Bert.
:B:: "I gave G=EMC^2 (wrong & stolen) to the world"
:B:: "Israel will drop its first H-bomb 'David' ". TreBert
:B:: __"I'm glad when war breaks out"__ Bert 
:B:: "I'll be sitting on Benj's, Saul Levi's & HVAC's
:B:: face to take a shit & say: "Open your mouth wide".
:B:: "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And laugh".
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
:B:: "Even the FBI has me as a trouble maker and
:B:: the FBI blocks my phone from calling them. "....
:B:: cuz "I was mixing sulfur,carbon & iron together
:B:: to make gun powder" ....
>
to which...
>
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:
GLAZIER, YOU ARE A LAMEbrain PIECE OF SHIT!
Saul Levy
>
"benj" <nobody@gmail.com> Jacoby Ben wrote:
One only has to read Glazier's posts to see when Bert was lobotomized.
>
Glazier's ex-tutor Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> said:
Glazier, your science is far worse than the man's on the street.
Glazier, your postings are old man's garbage.
Glazier, your brain is entangles with a used garbage can.
reber, take your you know it all thinking to your grave .
reber, your horseshit gets old.Say hi to Allah for me.
reber, you don't believe in science.
Glazier, do not post in a science newsgroup.
Glazier, quit posting __ your Gutter Science__.
Glazier, exit USENET. -- IOW Glazier, beat it!
>
Moderator General "HVAC" <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Harlow Campbell succinctly added & wrote:
>
"TreBert, you are one stupid cocksucker".
"Bert, Seriously. You are the stupidest cocksucking
moron who ever came down the Mass Pike.
"Bert, does your stupidity know no bounds?"
"Bert, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human
fucking being". "Bert is a racist. (And he's stupid too)"
"Bert, are the stupidest cocksucker on the planet."
"Spin THIS, Glazier, you fucking idiot." "Bert get
some spelling lessons, you feeble-minded fuck".
"Bert, your opinion doesn't count"
"Bert you are an idiot."
"Bert, you are a clueless cocksucker .... and "Bert
you are senile, dazed & confused. Fucked in the head.
"a trained cockroach is smarter than Bert"
"Bert, you should be arrested"
"Bert, I will call the police and tell them that your
van seems to be a center for drug activity in the
Wal-Mart parking lot"....
>
hanson wrote:
So Glazier you filthy Swine, given that the police is aware
that YOU issued criminal threats to the above posters with
your intent to shit into their mouths and piss onto their graves, 
>
... what did the cops say to you when you made the local  
police "aware" that YOU <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> 
Glazier, the Swine, Hate filled War monger, Jewish Jailbird, 
Face-shitter and Graveyard Vandal, Thief, Racist, Bigot & 
Criminal Communist Traitor Sympathizer "reber g=emc^2" 
posted  
>
(3)
On 06Dec2014, Swine Glazier said to Jacoby "benj" 
<nobody@gmail.com>: Reality is you always post under
me for you are an ass kisser. For Christmas I'll shit on your kisser.
Benj, you can thank me in advance. - TreBert. ... after which...
>
(2)
On 07Feb 2015 & on 08Feb2015, when the Jewish Swine wrote:
Harlow HVAC, Mr.HVAC@gmail.com, Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net
& Jacoby Benj, <nobody@gmail.com>: "I'll be sitting on your face
to take a shit & say: "Open wide". ... and he continued after
>
(1)
On 25Mar2008 Swine Glazier wrote in:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3ffe7b2257cf8a9a
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.physics/uYtpFTRnW4k/morPVyJ7_j8J
Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And have agood laugh
when it seeps down on your face. -- Bert.
>
<http://tinyurl.com/G-EMC2-Recall-Therapy>
<http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier>.



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#518887

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 10:50:59 PM UTC+2, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Stephen Hawking's New Theory on Black Holes is Fantastically Insane
> > http://gizmodo.com/stephen-hawkings-new-theory-on-black-holes-is-fantastic-1726513898
> 
> 
> > Black holes have a rap for being hopeless vortexes of destruction,
> > but what would really happen if you fell into one? According to
> > Stephen Hawking, you might end up in another universe.
> >
> > That's the celebrated physicist's latest answer to the so-called
> > "information paradox" -- the conundrum that black holes appear to
> > swallow matter, which, according to the laws of quantum mechanics, is
> > totally batshit insane and not possible. At a public lecture in
> > Stockholm this week, Hawking offered these comforting words to any
> > would-be deep space travelers: "If you feel you are in a black hole,
> > don't give up. There's a way out."
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

In my opinion, this view of black holes seems to make a lot of common sense. The universe operates under the laws of chaos where you have similar patterns within patterns as you go deeper and deeper. We are in the middle of the spectrum that goes from the too large to observe to the too small to observe. At our level, we observe the birth and death cycle. At the level of the universe, there is a similar cycle of birth and death. The black hole is like a vagina, and its purpose is to give birth. One side of the black hole has matter going into it and the other side is a "white hole" where matter goes out of it - into a new universe that is being born. This new universe follows the same laws of physics, just like a fetus going thru the vagina as it is being born has the same laws of physics as the baby that it eventually grows into. In that sense it is a one way journey, although it is possible to probe the other way back into the womb.  
Andrew Vecsey 

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#518890

On 9/4/2015 10:21 AM, trudi.schwander@gmail.com wrote:
>
> In my opinion, this view of black holes seems to make a lot of common
> sense. The universe operates under the laws of chaos where you have
> similar patterns within patterns as you go deeper and deeper. We are
> in the middle of the spectrum that goes from the too large to observe
> to the too small to observe. At our level, we observe the birth and
> death cycle. At the level of the universe, there is a similar cycle
> of birth and death. The black hole is like a vagina, and its purpose
> is to give birth. One side of the black hole has matter going into it
> and the other side is a "white hole" where matter goes out of it -
> into a new universe that is being born. This new universe follows the
> same laws of physics, just like a fetus going thru the vagina as it
> is being born has the same laws of physics as the baby that it
> eventually grows into. In that sense it is a one way journey,
> although it is possible to probe the other way back into the womb.


Utter trash unsupported by any observation. It's on the same level as 
Bert's garbage.


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