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Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen

Started bySam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
First post2015-08-21 22:37 -0500
Last post2015-08-22 13:52 -0700
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  Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 22:37 -0500
    Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 14:08 -0500
      Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 21:55 +0200
        Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 21:33 -0500
          Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 09:18 +0200
            Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 18:19 -0500
              Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:05 +0200
              Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 07:59 +0200
    Re: Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-22 13:52 -0700

#515703 — Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-21 22:37 -0500
SubjectPorous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen
Message-ID<hOGdnZf76d0Nc0rInZ2dnUU7-WEAAAAA@giganews.com>
Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen
> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html


> (Phys.org)—A team of researchers with Lawrence Berkeley National
> Laboratory and the University of California has developed a porous
> material that is able to split carbon dioxide molecules into carbon
> monoxide and oxygen. In their paper published in the journal Science,
> the team describes how they developed their material and how it might
> be used to help remove some of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
>
> Read more at:
> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html#jCp

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#515825

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-22 14:08 -0500
Message-ID<Q-CdncWKI_YPVUXInZ2dnUU7-bednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#515703
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:37:52 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:

> Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen
>> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html
> 
> 
>> (Phys.org)—A team of researchers with Lawrence Berkeley National
>> Laboratory and the University of California has developed a porous
>> material that is able to split carbon dioxide molecules into carbon
>> monoxide and oxygen. In their paper published in the journal Science,
>> the team describes how they developed their material and how it might
>> be used to help remove some of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
>>
>> Read more at:
>> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html#jCp

They aren't saying a lot about what to do with all that carbon monoxide.
Not something I'd want a lot of lying about.

Maybe if they could get that other oxygen atom loose... but that would use
as much energy as was obtained from burning the carbon to begin with.

Probably lots of uses for this, but not for removing carbon from Earth's
atmosphere.

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#515841

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-22 21:55 +0200
Message-ID<mrajvr$432$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#515825
Dne 22/08/2015 v 21:08 Lofty Goat napsal(a):
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:37:52 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
>> Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen
>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html
>>
>>
>>> (Phys.org)—A team of researchers with Lawrence Berkeley National
>>> Laboratory and the University of California has developed a porous
>>> material that is able to split carbon dioxide molecules into carbon
>>> monoxide and oxygen. In their paper published in the journal Science,
>>> the team describes how they developed their material and how it might
>>> be used to help remove some of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
>>>
>>> Read more at:
>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html#jCp
> 
> They aren't saying a lot about what to do with all that carbon monoxide.
> Not something I'd want a lot of lying about.
> 
> Maybe if they could get that other oxygen atom loose... but that would use
> as much energy as was obtained from burning the carbon to begin with.
> 
> Probably lots of uses for this, but not for removing carbon from Earth's
> atmosphere.
> 

As it would be carbon monooxide burning reversed,
it would require lot of energy.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#515952

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-22 21:33 -0500
Message-ID<d8udnWqmJ5ZBrUTInZ2dnUU7-N-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#515841
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:55:15 +0200, Poutnik wrote:

> Dne 22/08/2015 v 21:08 Lofty Goat napsal(a):
>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:37:52 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> 
>>> Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen
>>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html
>>>
>>>
>>>> (Phys.org)—A team of researchers with Lawrence Berkeley National
>>>> Laboratory and the University of California has developed a porous
>>>> material that is able to split carbon dioxide molecules into carbon
>>>> monoxide and oxygen. In their paper published in the journal Science,
>>>> the team describes how they developed their material and how it might
>>>> be used to help remove some of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Read more at:
>>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-
monoxide.html#jCp
>> 
>> They aren't saying a lot about what to do with all that carbon
>> monoxide. Not something I'd want a lot of lying about.
>> 
>> Maybe if they could get that other oxygen atom loose... but that would
>> use as much energy as was obtained from burning the carbon to begin
>> with.
>> 
>> Probably lots of uses for this, but not for removing carbon from
>> Earth's atmosphere.
>> 
>> 
> As it would be carbon monooxide burning reversed,
> it would require lot of energy.

Yes.  I recall England once getting much of its domestic energy from coal 
gas, i.e. a mixture of CO and hydrogen.

Still, it's an interesting idea, even if only as a possible intermediate 
stage in converting CO2 into something useful, say, methane, using solar 
or wind power.  If the process could be done economically enough, turning 
CO2 into natural gas would be a useful, carbon-neutral way of storing and 
distributing energy from such intermittent sources.

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#515995

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-23 09:18 +0200
Message-ID<mrbs0d$rm2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#515952
Dne 23/08/2015 v 04:33 Lofty Goat napsal(a):
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:55:15 +0200, Poutnik wrote:
> 
>>>
>>>
>> As it would be carbon monooxide burning reversed,
>> it would require lot of energy.
> 
> Yes.  I recall England once getting much of its domestic energy from coal 
> gas, i.e. a mixture of CO and hydrogen.
> 
> Still, it's an interesting idea, even if only as a possible intermediate 
> stage in converting CO2 into something useful, say, methane, using solar 
> or wind power.  If the process could be done economically enough, turning 
> CO2 into natural gas would be a useful, carbon-neutral way of storing and 
> distributing energy from such intermittent sources.
> 

Ideal would be natural or syntethic photosynthesis.
Some plants are already very efficient in that.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#516321

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-23 18:19 -0500
Message-ID<1_-dnTPTUqtuyUfInZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#515995
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:18:12 +0200, Poutnik wrote:

> Dne 23/08/2015 v 04:33 Lofty Goat napsal(a):
>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:55:15 +0200, Poutnik wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>
>>> As it would be carbon monooxide burning reversed,
>>> it would require lot of energy.
>> 
>> Yes.  I recall England once getting much of its domestic energy from
>> coal gas, i.e. a mixture of CO and hydrogen.
>> 
>> Still, it's an interesting idea, even if only as a possible
>> intermediate stage in converting CO2 into something useful, say,
>> methane, using solar or wind power.  If the process could be done
>> economically enough, turning CO2 into natural gas would be a useful,
>> carbon-neutral way of storing and distributing energy from such
>> intermittent sources.
>> 
>> 
> Ideal would be natural or syntethic photosynthesis.
> Some plants are already very efficient in that.

Hah!  You got me there.

I think the fascination with artificial means of turning solar power into 
chemical energy has something to do with avoiding fertilizer, insects, 
dirt, having to take care of plants, etc.

Humans are a uniquely lazy race of men, prone to put more effort into 
avoiding a problem than it might have taken to solve.

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#516371

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-24 07:05 +0200
Message-ID<mre8im$cqm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#516321
Dne 24/08/2015 v 01:19 Lofty Goat napsal(a):
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:18:12 +0200, Poutnik wrote:
> 

>>>
>> Ideal would be natural or syntethic photosynthesis.
>> Some plants are already very efficient in that.
> 
> Hah!  You got me there.
> 
> I think the fascination with artificial means of turning solar power into 
> chemical energy has something to do with avoiding fertilizer, insects, 
> dirt, having to take care of plants, etc.

Probably yes :-)
> 
> Humans are a uniquely lazy race of men, prone to put more effort into 
> avoiding a problem than it might have taken to solve.
> 
Top photosynthesis efficiency has sugarcane, about 8% or so.

If we took solar energy to power CO2 conversion machine,
then isolate some 0.02-0.03% CO from air
and convert it to something more usable...
Quite a challenge.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble,
but small men arrogant.

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#516373

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-08-24 07:59 +0200
Message-ID<mrebom$l8j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#516321
Dne 24/08/2015 v 01:19 Lofty Goat napsal(a):

> 
> I think the fascination with artificial means of turning solar power into 
> chemical energy has something to do with avoiding fertilizer, insects, 
> dirt, having to take care of plants, etc.
> 
Truth is, that cyclic availability nature of solar power makes
its usage as main power source problematic.

Electric energy saving and reusing
is for large scale rather expensive, complicated and limited,
like using some industrial  reversible fuel cells,
or pump storage water plants *]

More practical would be to make excess solar energy doing something,
working if available, pausing if not.

Like producing fuel or raw for it from renewable sources,
e.g. this CO2 to CO thing, H2 from water,
and than synthetic hydrocarbons from CO and H2.

*] Interesting pump water plant
is this one in Czech mountains Jeseniky,
placed on sliced top of the mountain, having reportedly
the most powerful reversible water turbines in Europe.

http://www.cez.cz/en/power-plants-and-environment/hydraulic-power-plants/dlouhe-strane.html

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble,
but small men arrogant.

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#515853

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2015-08-22 13:52 -0700
Message-ID<27026984-881a-4ab9-ac95-e5b079fb83b2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#515703
On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 8:37:55 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Porous material converts CO2 into carbon monoxide and oxygen
> > http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html
> 
> 
> > (Phys.org)--A team of researchers with Lawrence Berkeley National
> > Laboratory and the University of California has developed a porous
> > material that is able to split carbon dioxide molecules into carbon
> > monoxide and oxygen. In their paper published in the journal Science,
> > the team describes how they developed their material and how it might
> > be used to help remove some of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
> >
> > Read more at:
> > http://phys.org/news/2015-08-porous-material-co2-carbon-monoxide.html#jCp


All we need is more carbon monoxide in the atmosphere!  (Yawn!)

Double-A

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