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  Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-17 14:44 -0800
    Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 19:00 -0600
      Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-17 20:03 -0800
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-18 14:22 +0000
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-12-18 10:35 -0600
    Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-18 08:25 +0100
    Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-20 23:25 -0800
      Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-12-21 16:50 -0600
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-22 16:24 +0000
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-22 09:43 -0800
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-22 19:07 +0100
            Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-12-22 20:00 -0600
              Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-23 03:22 +0000
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-24 09:06 +0100
            Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-24 15:57 +0000
            Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-28 06:26 +0100
              Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-28 15:55 +0000
                Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-28 19:54 +0100
              Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-29 09:53 +0100
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-22 10:10 -0800
      Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-01-31 23:38 -0800
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-01 10:12 -0800
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-04 12:47 -0800
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-04 14:44 -0800
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#894778 — Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God

Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes. 


God doesn't do Math.

maybe because his math teacher taught gym...

Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
for the freshmen they accepted.

I'm going to Harvard!

BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!

2  plus 2 equal 22
-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#894779

On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
> Einstein believes in.
> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
> determined by natural causes.
> 
> 
> God doesn't do Math.
> 
> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
> 
> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
> for the freshmen they accepted.
> 
> I'm going to Harvard!
> 
> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
> 
> 2  plus 2 equal 22

In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated 
that, "you may call me an agnostic."

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#894783

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>> Einstein believes in.
>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>> determined by natural causes.
>> 
>> 
>> God doesn't do Math.
>> 
>> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
>> 
>> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
>> for the freshmen they accepted.
>> 
>> I'm going to Harvard!
>> 
>> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
>> 
>> 2  plus 2 equal 22
>
>In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated 
>that, "you may call me an agnostic."

I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
absolute agnostic!"

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#894789

The Starmaker wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>
>>>
>>> God doesn't do Math.
>>>
>>> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
>>>
>>> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
>>> for the freshmen they accepted.
>>>
>>> I'm going to Harvard!
>>>
>>> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
>>>
>>> 2  plus 2 equal 22
>>
>> In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated
>> that, "you may call me an agnostic."
> 
> I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
> absolute agnostic!"
> 

professor einstein had head lice.

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#894792

On 12/17/2025 10:03 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>
>>>
>>> God doesn't do Math.
>>>
>>> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
>>>
>>> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
>>> for the freshmen they accepted.
>>>
>>> I'm going to Harvard!
>>>
>>> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
>>>
>>> 2  plus 2 equal 22
>>
>> In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated
>> that, "you may call me an agnostic."
> 
> I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
> absolute agnostic!"

Not many atheists are!  See Professor Richard Dawkins' "The God 
Delusion"; here's a shorter summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

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#894787

Am Mittwoch000017, 17.12.2025 um 23:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
> Einstein believes in.
> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
> determined by natural causes.
> 
> 
> God doesn't do Math.
> 
> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
> 
> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
> for the freshmen they accepted.
> 
> I'm going to Harvard!
> 
> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
> 
> 2  plus 2 equal 22


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh3Yz3PiXZw

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#894803

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>Einstein believes in.
>No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>determined by natural causes. 
>

Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein  that appear to me was
influenced by  Spinoza's God:

If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly
convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein
 
  
I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too
seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
temper.
Albert Einstein
 
  
Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
Albert Einstein
 
  
So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect
intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
that he was acting according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein
 
  

I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are
concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he
does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
Albert Einstein
 
  
I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
must act as if man is a responsible being.
Albert Einstein
 
  
I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews
believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew.
Albert Einstein
 

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#894811

On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>> Einstein believes in.
>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>> determined by natural causes.

Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he may 
have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??

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#894812

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , 
>>> the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
> 
> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, 
> he may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??

he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because 
requirements have probably become too much for him.

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#894813

On 12/22/2025 08:24 AM, jojo wrote:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>>> Einstein believes in.
>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>
>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>
> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have
> probably become too much for him.
>

Maybe the Mrs. could do it.


If Spinoza wasn't a Calvinist it's almost as bad, instead of
"human animals are born sinners" it's "human animals are
born enemies", there's not much difference at all between
Spinoza's and Calvin's ethics in that sense, though it may
reflect a sort of practicality, then that if there's
Spinoza and Augustine, and about moral absolutism and
relativism, has that one can entertain monotheism and
science together while still making for moral absolutism
and free will as essentially an exercise in fairness and
the various notions of golden rule.


I.e., "Einstein's G-d as Spinoza's G-d", just refers to
the idea of there not being intercession, while yet though
that's just the omni and supreme of the super-scientific
the super-natural, whatever is those things of this sort
of perfection, is those things of those sorts of perfection.


Somehow Buridan's Donkey never goes hungry, ....


One imagines that Einstein today would have that
"you know when I say PDE everywhere, what I really
mean is in a system already defined by continuous
transforms everywhere and integral, with integrity",
though I guess that's what he was working on
"total field theory".


Anyways Duns Scotus has the infinitary part already,
while though Spinoza's contribution in mathematics
is along those lines.

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#894814

jojo wrote:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)

Oversimplified.

>>> is called Spinoza's God , 

No.  Instead, Einstein subscribed to an idea of "God" the same as the Dutch
philosopher, Baruch Spinoza (who was excommunicated by the Jewish community
of Amsterdam because of that).

>>>> the God Einstein believes in.

"Belief" should not be understood in terms of "religion" here.  Einstein was
an atheist (by his own account), an agnostic at best (also by his own
account).  He often referred to that "god" tongue-in-cheek as "der Alte"
(German for "the Old Man").  That is not what a true believer in a deity
would do.

>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>> determined by natural causes.

That is only part of what Spinoza's idea of "God" is all about.  It is
mainly about that "God" would be manifested in all things (without having
created the Universe; and not all attributes of "God" would be manifested);
but they would not communicate with humans, would not consider them or Earth
special, would not have a plan for them or any individual, nor would they
exert any subsequent influence on the Universe.

It is an ongoing discussion whether that makes Spinoza an atheist; but if
so, then Einstein, who by his own account subscribed to that worldview, was
an atheist, too.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Pantheism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Metaphysics>

>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, 
>> he may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
> 
> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because 
> requirements have probably become too much for him.

*facepalm*

Under which rock does one have to live to reduce Einstein to that job?

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) only worked at the Swiss Patent Office for 7
years (!) of his life (1902-1909), and from at least 1905 on his friend
Michele Besso did most of his work there (by Einstein's design, and Besso
happily did it) as that was only a fallback as he could not earn enough
money as a private teacher to support his wife and newborn son.  As Besso
was doing his work *and* Einstein's, Einstein had more time to develop his
theories, which they talked about after work (especially Besso's support in
developing special relativity is well-documented by Einstein in a "thank
you" note at the end of the first paper on that).

Most of his life, from 1908 on, Einstein worked as a university professor of
Physics and as a theoretical physicist.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Life_and_career>

F'up2 sci.physics

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PointedEars

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#894816

On 12/22/2025 12:07 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> jojo wrote:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)
> 
> Oversimplified.
> 
>>>> is called Spinoza's God ,
> 
> No.  Instead, Einstein subscribed to an idea of "God" the same as the Dutch
> philosopher, Baruch Spinoza (who was excommunicated by the Jewish community
> of Amsterdam because of that).
> 
>>>>> the God Einstein believes in.
> 
> "Belief" should not be understood in terms of "religion" here.  Einstein was
> an atheist (by his own account), an agnostic at best (also by his own
> account).  He often referred to that "god" tongue-in-cheek as "der Alte"
> (German for "the Old Man").  That is not what a true believer in a deity
> would do.
> 
>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>>> determined by natural causes.
> 
> That is only part of what Spinoza's idea of "God" is all about.  It is
> mainly about that "God" would be manifested in all things (without having
> created the Universe; and not all attributes of "God" would be manifested);
> but they would not communicate with humans, would not consider them or Earth
> special, would not have a plan for them or any individual, nor would they
> exert any subsequent influence on the Universe.
> 
> It is an ongoing discussion whether that makes Spinoza an atheist; but if
> so, then Einstein, who by his own account subscribed to that worldview, was
> an atheist, too.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Pantheism>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Metaphysics>
> 
>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today,
>>> he may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>>
>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because
>> requirements have probably become too much for him.
> 
> *facepalm*
> 
> Under which rock does one have to live to reduce Einstein to that job?
> 
> Albert Einstein (1879-1955) only worked at the Swiss Patent Office for 7
> years (!) of his life (1902-1909), and from at least 1905 on his friend
> Michele Besso did most of his work there (by Einstein's design, and Besso
> happily did it) as that was only a fallback as he could not earn enough
> money as a private teacher to support his wife and newborn son.  As Besso
> was doing his work *and* Einstein's, Einstein had more time to develop his
> theories, which they talked about after work (especially Besso's support in
> developing special relativity is well-documented by Einstein in a "thank
> you" note at the end of the first paper on that).
> 
> Most of his life, from 1908 on, Einstein worked as a university professor of
> Physics and as a theoretical physicist.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Life_and_career>
> 
> F'up2 sci.physics
> 

Cool!  This goes to show you that getting a job as an academician is 
really, really hard, even if one is a genius!  I am, of course, 
excluding "sponsorship," which can be for various (blush) reasons.

Dawn

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#894817

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 12/22/2025 12:07 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> jojo wrote:
>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)
>>
>> Oversimplified.
>>
>>>>> is called Spinoza's God ,
>>
>> No.  Instead, Einstein subscribed to an idea of "God" the same 
>> as the Dutch
>> philosopher, Baruch Spinoza (who was excommunicated by the 
>> Jewish community
>> of Amsterdam because of that).
>>
>>>>>> the God Einstein believes in.
>>
>> "Belief" should not be understood in terms of "religion" here.  
>> Einstein was
>> an atheist (by his own account), an agnostic at best (also by 
>> his own
>> account).  He often referred to that "god" tongue-in-cheek as 
>> "der Alte"
>> (German for "the Old Man").  That is not what a true believer 
>> in a deity
>> would do.
>>
>>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices 
>>>>> are
>>>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>
>> That is only part of what Spinoza's idea of "God" is all 
>> about.  It is
>> mainly about that "God" would be manifested in all things 
>> (without having
>> created the Universe; and not all attributes of "God" would be 
>> manifested);
>> but they would not communicate with humans, would not consider 
>> them or Earth
>> special, would not have a plan for them or any individual, nor 
>> would they
>> exert any subsequent influence on the Universe.
>>
>> It is an ongoing discussion whether that makes Spinoza an 
>> atheist; but if
>> so, then Einstein, who by his own account subscribed to that 
>> worldview, was
>> an atheist, too.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Pantheism>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Metaphysics>
>>
>>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive 
>>>> today,
>>>> he may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>>>
>>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because
>>> requirements have probably become too much for him.
>>
>> *facepalm*
>>
>> Under which rock does one have to live to reduce Einstein to 
>> that job?
>>
>> Albert Einstein (1879-1955) only worked at the Swiss Patent 
>> Office for 7
>> years (!) of his life (1902-1909), and from at least 1905 on 
>> his friend
>> Michele Besso did most of his work there (by Einstein's design, 
>> and Besso
>> happily did it) as that was only a fallback as he could not 
>> earn enough
>> money as a private teacher to support his wife and newborn 
>> son.  As Besso
>> was doing his work *and* Einstein's, Einstein had more time to 
>> develop his
>> theories, which they talked about after work (especially 
>> Besso's support in
>> developing special relativity is well-documented by Einstein in 
>> a "thank
>> you" note at the end of the first paper on that).
>>
>> Most of his life, from 1908 on, Einstein worked as a university 
>> professor of
>> Physics and as a theoretical physicist.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Life_and_career>
>>
>> F'up2 sci.physics
>>
> 
> Cool!  This goes to show you that getting a job as an academician 
> is really, really hard, even if one is a genius!  I am, of 
> course, excluding "sponsorship," which can be for various (blush) 
> reasons.
> 
> Dawn

these days its more about saturation and obsolecence of the 
university credential model.

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#894822

Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>>> Einstein believes in.
>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>
>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he 
>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
> 
> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have 
> probably become too much for him.
> 

He would have several problems today:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Quote
"A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them 
access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to 
restricted areas,.."

2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected 
into an office.
The question would be, whether or not Einstein would be eligible today.

3)https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta/eu-efta_buerger_schweiz.html

It would be next to impossible for Einstein today, to enter, go to 
school, study and work in Switzerland as stateless alien.

4) he was actually educated as a teacher. Most likely this wouldn't be 
sufficient for the patent office today.


TH

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#894824

Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , 
>>>>> the God
>>>>> Einstein believes in.
>>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices 
>>>>> are
>>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>
>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive 
>>> today, he may have thought differently about some things?!  
>>> Agreed??
>>
>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because 
>> requirements have probably become too much for him.
>>
> 
> He would have several problems today:
> 
> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
> Quote
> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing 
> them access to classified information (state or organizational 
> secrets) or to restricted areas,.."
> 
> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be 
> elected into an office.
> The question would be, whether or not Einstein would be eligible 
> today.
> 
> 3)https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta/eu-efta_buerger_schweiz.html 
> 
> 
> It would be next to impossible for Einstein today, to enter, go 
> to school, study and work in Switzerland as stateless alien.
> 
> 4) he was actually educated as a teacher. Most likely this 
> wouldn't be sufficient for the patent office today.
> 
> 
> TH

my guess is that he would have gone into techno and dj'ing. he 
would study math and physics during the day and mix <insert 
adjective> beats at night.

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#894828

Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he 
>>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>>
>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have 
>> probably become too much for him.
> 
> He would have several problems today:

You completely missed the point again.  Granted, it was a weak, trollish
point, easy to miss.

> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
> Quote
> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them 
> access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to 
> restricted areas,.."

Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the
Manhattan Project.

> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected 
> into an office.

Nonsense.

F'up2 poster

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#894830

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
>>>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>>>
>>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have
>>> probably become too much for him.
>>
>> He would have several problems today:
> 
> You completely missed the point again.  Granted, it was a weak, trollish
> point, easy to miss.
> 
>> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
>> Quote
>> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them
>> access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to
>> restricted areas,.."
> 
> Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the
> Manhattan Project.
> 
>> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
>> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected
>> into an office.
> 
> Nonsense.
> 
> F'up2 poster
> 

i'm confused.. are you replying to yourself???

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#894834

jojo wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
                       ^^^^
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
          ^^^^^
>> [...]
> 
> i'm confused.. are you replying to yourself???

Probably someone has told you that before: You need to read more carefully.

F'up2 poster again

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#894836

Am Sonntag000028, 28.12.2025 um 06:26 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
>>>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>>>
>>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have
>>> probably become too much for him.
>>
>> He would have several problems today:
> 
> You completely missed the point again.  Granted, it was a weak, trollish
> point, easy to miss.
> 
>> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
>> Quote
>> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them
>> access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to
>> restricted areas,.."
> 
> Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the
> Manhattan Project.


Einstein worked in the Swiss patent office in the early 20th century and 
roughly forty years earlier than the Manhattan Project took place.


>> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
>> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected
>> into an office.
> 
> Nonsense.
> 
The patent offices of the world do contain state secrets.

This wouldn't be much different in Switzerland.

But Einstein was stateless alien and came from Germany. Many Swiss have 
hostile emotions towards Germany and Germans and are also not very 
'philo-semitic'.

Therefore, it wouldn't make much sense to assume, that Swiss authorities 
would have allowed an Einstein to look at their state secrets.

A much more plausible assumption would have been, if Einstein's vitae 
was a fake and he was actually a Swiss agent and should spy on Germany 
and later in the USA.

TH

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#894815

On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 16:50:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
>
>Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he may 
>have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??

Well, if he changes his mind about something, it certaintly would not
be under his own free will.

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