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  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 12:55 -0700
    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-30 15:01 +0000
      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 14:23 -0500
        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 23:38 -0700
          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 06:53 -0700
            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:06 +0200
            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:13 -0500
              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 14:18 -0700
                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:58 -0500
                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:10 -0700
                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 07:39 -0500
                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:33 -0700
                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:41 -0500
                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:38 -0700
                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:36 -0500
                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:11 -0700
                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:24 -0700
                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:35 -0500
                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0700
                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:05 -0500
                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:04 -0700
                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:22 -0700
                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:52 -0400
                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:32 -0500
                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:37 -0400
                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:21 -0500
                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 13:35 -0400
                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 13:29 -0700
                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:13 -0500
                                                curvature of Universe manifest; time is not a dimesnion per se noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:06 -0700
                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-05 22:59 -0700
                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:32 -0700
                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:36 -0500
                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:51 -0700
                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:51 -0700
                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 10:22 -0500
                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:34 -0700
                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:17 -0500
                                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 14:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0700
                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:22 -0500
                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:47 -0700
                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:38 -0500
                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 06:27 -0700
                                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:49 -0500
                                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 10:11 -0700
                                                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 12:47 -0500
                                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:40 -0500
                                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:56 -0700
                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 04:59 -0700
                                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 11:23 -0700
                                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:33 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:23 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 12:36 -0700
                                                                                      "de- noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 15:45 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:00 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 10:17 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:54 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:55 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 11:38 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:49 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:27 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:41 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 05:50 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:16 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:41 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:38 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:52 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2015-08-11 14:49 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:30 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 07:56 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 16:28 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:15 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 08:55 -0500
                                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:30 -0500
                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:28 -0500
                                                                        from there noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:21 -0700
                                                                to noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 10:16 -0700
                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:20 -0500
                                              mister Franz (sp.? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:10 -0700
                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:42 -0700
                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:34 -0500
                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-06 07:56 -0700
                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:16 -0700
                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 10:39 -0500
                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 09:30 -0400
                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:15 -0700
                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:26 -0400
                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:49 -0700
                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-10 19:20 +0000
                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:50 -0700
                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:53 -0500
                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 14:46 -0700
                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 17:27 -0500
                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:55 -0700
                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-10 23:15 +0000
                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:40 -0700
                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 22:07 -0700
                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:53 -0500
                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:12 -0700
                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:00 -0500
                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:22 -0700
                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:33 -0500
                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:44 -0700
                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:22 -0500
                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:53 -0700
                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:05 -0500
                                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:19 -0700
                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:25 -0500
                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:42 -0700
                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:54 -0500
                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:29 -0700
                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:05 -0500
                                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:24 -0700
                                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:32 -0500
                                                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:55 -0700
                                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 17:15 -0500
                                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:40 -0700
                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:55 -0500
                                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:31 -0700
                                                                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 10:41 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 09:10 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:27 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:04 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-12 18:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 13:28 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 12:49 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:35 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:58 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:18 -0700
                                                                                                :=4 noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:58 -0700
                                                                              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:57 -0700
                                                            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:32 -0400
                                    Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-11 15:13 +0000
                                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:47 -0500
                        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-11 15:04 +0000
                      ratio, aspect noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:23 -0700
      Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 20:35 -0500
        Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 19:00 -0700
          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 05:25 -0700
            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-01 21:02 +0000
              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 06:50 -0400
            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 14:05 -0700
              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 02:28 -0700
                zene o'Ben noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 14:14 -0700
              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 17:01 -0500
              Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-01 22:48 +0000
                Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 02:21 -0700
            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:57 -0500
            Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:59 -0500
          Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:44 -0500

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#511673

On 8/6/2015 4:35 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
>
> "Numerology can convince you of a lot of crazy things."
> And on goes the search for the Higgs
> 135!! A bump!
>

Oh, yeah. A bump is a significant signal in particle physics. It's 
called a resonance, and it is the surefire marker that the thing that 
produced that particular combination of daughter products was a 
precursor parent particle. If it comes from a variety of background 
processes, then there is a steeply falling spectrum but no bump. If 
there's a bump, then there's a parent particle. That's been known since 
the 1930's. And you can learn all about why that's true by reading a few 
books in particle physics. Ferbel and Das wrote a pretty good one.

And if the size of the bump is exactly as high as the model predicts the 
frequency of production of those particles is, then you know you've 
probably hit it on the money. And if the ratios of the combinations of 
daughter particles is exactly what was predicted by the model, then you 
KNOW you've hit it on the money.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#511618 — mister Franz (sp.?

I'd use the durfer's value aof pi, though;
they can also be ellipses, which brings the question
of what is at the other focus (answered by this guy;

> > assume Pi = 3 :
> 
> Bad assumption. They aren't going around in little circles, John.
> Not even close to that.
> 
> > 3 X 10^-9 meters/ 100 X 10^-18 seconds =
> > 30 X 10^6 meters/ second.
> > Lightspeed is 300 X 10^6 m/s
> >
> > The electron is doing at least 10% of
> > the speed of light, Odd. Probably
> > more, because it isn't a simple
> > circle
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#511572

The diameter of the Carbon atom is 10^-10 meters.
The diameter of the galaxy is 10^22 meters.
That is 10^32 times bigger.
Is the galaxy's period (10^32)(10^-16 seconds)?

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#511568

On 8/6/2015 12:59 AM, Enomis Skating wrote:
> Il giorno giovedì 6 agosto 2015 03:05:42 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin ha scritto:
>> On 8/5/2015 5:50 PM, john wrote:
>>> So
>>> Odd
>>> Your "point particles".
>>> Electrons
>>> Do they move and change direction?
>>>
>>
>> They have kinetic energy, which is the energy of motion.
>> They don't change direction. That would be an acceleration.
>
> Um, they also have angular momentum, the orbital one, besides
> that of spin. A p orbital is one that has l = 1.

Yes. This also does not mean that they are changing direction. Having 
angular momentum does not mean the electron is going around in a little 
circle.

>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> regards
> Angelo
>


-- 
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#511575

Il giorno giovedì 6 agosto 2015 16:34:19 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin ha scritto:
> On 8/6/2015 12:59 AM, Enomis Skating wrote:
> > Il giorno giovedì 6 agosto 2015 03:05:42 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin ha scritto:
> >> On 8/5/2015 5:50 PM, john wrote:
> >>> So
> >>> Odd
> >>> Your "point particles".
> >>> Electrons
> >>> Do they move and change direction?
> >>>
> >>
> >> They have kinetic energy, which is the energy of motion.
> >> They don't change direction. That would be an acceleration.
> >
> > Um, they also have angular momentum, the orbital one, besides
> > that of spin. A p orbital is one that has l = 1.
> 
> Yes. This also does not mean that they are changing direction. Having 
> angular momentum does not mean the electron is going around in a little 
> circle.

Well, I understand that electron is not a classical object, 
that its position and velocity are bound to HUP, but angular 
momentum should not, and a mass (whatever) that rotates or 
revolves should be implied and hardly escapable IMHO: let's 
go beyond names and labels.

> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

regards
Angelo

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#511578

The Milky Way Galaxy is 10^32 times
 bigger than the Carbon atom.
The period of an electron being
10^-16 seconds, is the galaxy's
rotation 10^32 times that?
10^16 seconds?
Yes! 300 million years. On the nose.

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#511583

On 8/6/2015 9:56 AM, Enomis Skating wrote:
> Il giorno giovedì 6 agosto 2015 16:34:19 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin ha scritto:
>> On 8/6/2015 12:59 AM, Enomis Skating wrote:
>>> Il giorno giovedì 6 agosto 2015 03:05:42 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin ha scritto:
>>>> On 8/5/2015 5:50 PM, john wrote:
>>>>> So
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> Your "point particles".
>>>>> Electrons
>>>>> Do they move and change direction?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They have kinetic energy, which is the energy of motion.
>>>> They don't change direction. That would be an acceleration.
>>>
>>> Um, they also have angular momentum, the orbital one, besides
>>> that of spin. A p orbital is one that has l = 1.
>>
>> Yes. This also does not mean that they are changing direction. Having
>> angular momentum does not mean the electron is going around in a little
>> circle.
>
> Well, I understand that electron is not a classical object,
> that its position and velocity are bound to HUP, but angular
> momentum should not, and a mass (whatever) that rotates or
> revolves should be implied and hardly escapable IMHO: let's
> go beyond names and labels.

The mistake that a lot of amateurs (like me) make is thinking that 
quantum mechanical orbital momentum or quantum mechanical spin 
corresponds to a revolution in an orbit or rotation around an axis. It's 
not.

>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> regards
> Angelo
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#511158

On 8/3/2015 7:10 PM, john wrote:
> Now, Odd.
> Your electron is moving hither and yon


"Hither and yon" is a gay expression used by homosexual fags.


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#511206

i.e. People who read
Books
Like Shakespeare.
Not
Like HVAC
Psychology 101 was his first hard-cover book

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#511329

On 8/4/2015 3:15 PM, john wrote:
> i.e. People who read
> Books
> Like Shakespeare.


Shakespeare was a gay Brit homosexual fag.

'Forsooth' is a gay word btw.





-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#511349

hyak sure thinks about "gay" a lot.
I'll bet his ex made him get snipped

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#512490

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Now, Odd.
>Your electron is moving hither and yon
>within a closed space (dictated by?),
>and it never accelerates?
>It has to.
>Therefore it has to radiate.

It's a standing wave, John.  Not a little ball (or a little galaxy) moving
around, turning, accelerating and slowing down hither and yon.  Does a 
standing wave move? Accelerate?

Remember, an electron has both wavelike and particle-like properties.  
Having a (small) mass it's more particle-like than a photon, but it's
less particle-like than something larger, like a proton or a baseball.

>It is just doing so with radiation that
>is too small-grained for OUR emr to
>have an EVENT with

Nope.  Not only does an accelerating charge radiate, it radiates normal
electromagnetic radiation.  Not gravity.  Not "small-grained" radiation
that we cannot detect.  Ordinary electromagnetic radiation.

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#512499

Odd and Michael:
Delocalize?
What does that even mean?
You have no mechanism.
You have no pathway.
You suddenly say that unlimited
electrons can all go "wherever they
are needed", instead of restricting
orbitals to TWO.
What are you thinking?
Instead of trying to find sensible,
logical, "obviously true" ANSWERS,
you are letting QM say
THERE IS NO KNOWING!!!!!

I disagree- we can learn how it works

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#512511

On 8/10/2015 2:50 PM, john wrote:
> Odd and Michael:
> Delocalize?
> What does that even mean?

That's where a basic book in chemistry will help.
Some elementary quantum mechanics is the background you need.
Why are you asking on usenet rather than just reading up on basic 
quantum mechanics?

> You have no mechanism.

That's not true.

> You have no pathway.

I don't even know what that means. You mean the trajectory of electrons? 
Electrons don't have trajectories inside the atom.

> You suddenly say that unlimited
> electrons can all go "wherever they
> are needed", instead of restricting
> orbitals to TWO.

Woah, electrons don't go wherever they are needed, do they? Where did yo 
get that?

> What are you thinking?
> Instead of trying to find sensible,
> logical, "obviously true" ANSWERS,

I think you are expecting physics answers to be intuitive and obvious to 
a 3rd-grader. Nature isn't like that. 3rd-grader intuition gets things 
wrong ALL THE TIME. Ask a third grader what happens to the horizontal 
motion of a ball he throws horizontally out a fifth story window. I can 
practically guarantee you that his intuitive answer will be wrong. He 
may tell you that gravity turns the horizontal motion into vertical 
motion and he'll sketch the path to be like a quarter of a circle. Or 
he'll tell you that gravity stops the horizontal motion and then it 
falls, and he'll sketch the path to be like Wile E. Coyote running off a 
cliff. Tell a 3rd grader that gravity doesn't change the horizontal 
motion AT ALL, and the 3rd grader will tell you that doesn't make any 
sense. But that doesn't change the fact that it's true.

> you are letting QM say
> THERE IS NO KNOWING!!!!!

Don't be silly. There IS knowing. You just have to learn it. Not intuit 
it. Learn it.

>
> I disagree- we can learn how it works
>
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#512538

Odd said
"Electrons don't have trajectories inside the atom." 

How do you arrive at that?
They've had their periods measured.
What changes, then, so that they
are available for bonding at certain
measurable intervals?
People have been trying to determine
their pathways since Bohr. A period
implies a repeating cycle.
Explain.

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#512561

On 8/10/2015 4:46 PM, john wrote:
> Odd said
> "Electrons don't have trajectories inside the atom."
>
> How do you arrive at that?

Quantum mechanics. I think I may have mentioned this before.
Books ... would you like to read one?

> They've had their periods measured.

Yes, the time periodicity of their bonding state.

> What changes, then, so that they
> are available for bonding at certain
> measurable intervals?

The phase of the quantum mechanical state.

> People have been trying to determine
> their pathways since Bohr.

No, actually Bohr was one of the last to suggest that there is a 
pathway, and then he retracted that idea. Quantum mechanics showed that 
there IS NO trajectory of the electron in the bound state of an atom. 
Known since about 1925.

> A period
> implies a repeating cycle.

Yes, but a cycle does not imply motion over a closed path.
There are LOTS of cycles that do not imply a motion over a closed path.
The electric field in a capacitor in a tuning circuit cycles. It's not 
moving anywhere in a closed path.

Now just because your cramped imagination can ONLY associate closed path 
motions with any kind of periodicity, that's not my problem.

> Explain.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#512573

So, Odd, you think electrons don't move
within the atom.
You think it's just their "state" that cycles.

I think that you are as wrong as wrong
can be. But, that's your problem.

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#512582

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>So, Odd, you think electrons don't move
>within the atom.
>You think it's just their "state" that cycles.

>I think that you are as wrong as wrong
>can be. But, that's your problem.

It's a standing wave, not a particle going "hither and yon" like I already 
said.

You're stuck.  Stuck.

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#512602

Michael 
Everything is standing waves.
But everything is particles, too.

How does that work?

Atoms and collections thereof are
the smallest THINGS.
They are composites made
of standing waves of much smaller
particles. The electron is one such
STANDING WAVE (just as you say).
The electron is a COMPOSITE
standing wave (thanks for agreeing that
the electron is a composite- Paul
would never slip like that), made of
MANY smaller particles. 
There are 50 billion fusing centers in
each electron- each of which has as
many parts in and around it as our SUN!!
So the number of individual particles
in each electron is the number of
individual atoms in our solar system
times 50 billion. Is that a lot, Michael?

Each electron, like every galactic arm,
extends from the atom's center to its
outer edge in a long curving arm that
may be curved a LOT or a little,
depending on how energetic the atom
is. All the electrons share the same
turning/precessing DISC with its
central vortex, so their 'pathways' are
the product of this disc turning and
precessing as their many elements
orbit around each other in multitudinous 
ways. That's your 'standing wave', Michael.

Each fusing center in each electron
gives off energy until there is none
left, whereupon it falls back into the
center. It's stuff is reenergized by the
SPIN at the center and immediately
becomes outwardly-moving jets of
high-energy particles that can then
coalesce into new fusing centers-
JUST LIKE they have recently seen
happening around cosmic jets (it's a
CYCLE, Michael).

OMG, Michael- I feel SO STUCK!!!!

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#512613

The 'point particle' electron is actually
THE most complex single standing wave in
the Universe.

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