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| First post | 2015-07-29 12:55 -0700 |
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Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 12:55 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-30 15:01 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 14:23 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 23:38 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 06:53 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:06 +0200
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:13 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 14:18 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:58 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:10 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 07:39 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:33 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:41 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:38 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:36 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:11 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:24 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:35 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:05 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:04 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:22 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:52 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:32 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:37 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:21 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 13:35 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 13:29 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:13 -0500
curvature of Universe manifest; time is not a dimesnion per se noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:06 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-05 22:59 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:32 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:36 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:51 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:51 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 10:22 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:34 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:17 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 14:35 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:22 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:47 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:38 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 06:27 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:49 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 10:11 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 12:47 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:40 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:56 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 04:59 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 11:23 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:33 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:23 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 12:36 -0700
"de- noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 15:45 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:00 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 10:17 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:54 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:55 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 11:38 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:49 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:27 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:41 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 05:50 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:16 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:41 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:38 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:52 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2015-08-11 14:49 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:30 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 07:56 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 16:28 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:21 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:15 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 08:55 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:30 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:28 -0500
from there noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:21 -0700
to noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 10:16 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:20 -0500
mister Franz (sp.? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:10 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:42 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:34 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-06 07:56 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:16 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 10:39 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 09:30 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:15 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:26 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:49 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-10 19:20 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:50 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:53 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 14:46 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 17:27 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:55 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-10 23:15 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:40 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 22:07 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:53 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:12 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:00 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:22 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:33 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:44 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:22 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:53 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:05 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:19 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:25 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:42 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:54 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:29 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:05 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:24 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:32 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:55 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 17:15 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:40 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:55 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:31 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 10:41 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 09:10 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:27 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:04 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-12 18:26 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 13:28 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 12:49 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:35 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:58 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:18 -0700
:=4 noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:58 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:57 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:32 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-11 15:13 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:47 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-11 15:04 +0000
ratio, aspect noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:23 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 20:35 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 19:00 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 05:25 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-01 21:02 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 06:50 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 14:05 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 02:28 -0700
zene o'Ben noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 14:14 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 17:01 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-01 22:48 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 02:21 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:57 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:59 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:44 -0500
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 19:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55b8522e-3f99-4d3d-b6b9-4bd14d1336ea@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #510596 |
Odd, I already outed you on that when you referenced a conversation between you and me about composites. When you were PD. Then YOU claimed, "Oh, it must have been someone else- I just FORGOT. Hard to keep lies straight, Odd. Need a better memory
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 05:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <977196ec-b742-428b-ad3a-3467a572152a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #510600 |
If it walks like a duck. How is "delocalized" electrons defensible? Or any of the other "math fixes" that are used in place of reality? "Wah wah wah- now the numbers work wonderfully!" Well, yah!! You fudged them! Great how fudge makes your answer right. Too bad you don't have the integrity to not use it, because now we're stuck (When I was working on my Benzene solution, Michael was all, "Not symmetric enough!", but now he's, "Too symmetric.!!" Dishonesty or what? ) benzene: http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF No delocalizing or other magic needed. If your model needs magic? It's wrong!!!
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 21:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpjc5e$3jf$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #510646 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael said >"Why are you here?" >Because Physics has just made a >bunch of shit up to match observation. No, nothing was "made up". It is just science, people make an observation, come up with a hypothesis, run an experiment and the data from that experiment supports or refutes the hypothesis. In the case of delocalization, experimental data supports that. For benzene, this process has been going on since Kekule's snake dream. >This particular piece of shit says >there are THREE electrons in the >same orbital on each side of the >Benzene ring. ( Not 6.) No it doesn't. There are 6 electrons, one per C atom, each forms the equivalent of one bond to everything else. You can't place electrons as being on one side or the other, each electron has a 50% chance of being on any particular side. >This is totally against one of the >premier rules. >But hey- when ur king u don't have >to follow no steenking rules. Read the "rules", in particular Schrodinger's wave equations. Once again I ask, why are you here? You really do seem to hate science.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 06:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mpkshu$qhp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #510690 |
On 8/1/2015 5:02 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> Michael said >> "Why are you here?" >> Because Physics has just made a >> bunch of shit up to match observation. > > You can't place electrons as being on one side or the other, each electron > has a 50% chance of being on any particular side. > >> This is totally against one of the >> premier rules. >> But hey- when ur king u don't have >> to follow no steenking rules. > > Read the "rules", in particular Schrodinger's wave equations. > > Once again I ask, why are you here? You really do seem to hate science. John, much like many others here, are into 'kook science'. It's a branch of science that encompasses such notions as ESP and ghosts. It relies heavily on anecdotal evidence and brushes aside experimental and observational data. Their god is Tesla. Hallowed be his name. Typically, those adherents to kook science will claim that anyone who demands that they follow standards common to science are paid government agents, set to work destroying them in order to perpetuate the global order. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 14:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3de0a995-e14f-4e33-b910-6e06b3e271d8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #510646 |
In my 3D representation of Benzene, if electrons have momentum, all of them are in a state of constant acceleration all the time, and nothing has to "delocalize", as can be seen by just looking at it. Where is the 3D animation of Benzene that you ascribe to, hyak? Or picture. Or diagram? Do you show it as a cute little cloud-donut? How does it compare to http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF ??? Badly, I think.
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| From | Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 02:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9e786a40-ae8a-4ca1-bbea-8744fcb4b43b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #510691 |
Il giorno domenica 2 agosto 2015 11:21:17 UTC+2, Enomis Skating ha scritto: > Il giorno domenica 2 agosto 2015 00:48:09 UTC+2, Michael Moroney ha scritto: > > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > > > > >In my 3D representation of Benzene, > > >if electrons have momentum, all of > > >them are in a state of constant acceleration > > > > Stop right there. Fail. > > > > Electrons in constant acceleration would constantly radiate and lose > > energy. Obviously that cannot happen, and we don't see benzene radiating. > > > > >Where is the 3D animation of Benzene > > >that you ascribe to, hyak? > > > > What do you mean animation? > > > > >Or picture. > > >Or diagram? > > > > As to images, do I have to spoon feed you? > > > > >Do you show it as a cute little > > >cloud-donut? > > > > That's the dumbed-down version for you. > > > > Others such as > > http://www.chemhume.co.uk/A2CHEM/Unit%201/2%20Arenes/delocalised_structure_benzene.jpg > > shows the individual pi electrons separately and combined, with the sign > > of the wave function shown in color. > > Not sure if it might be said so. > Six pi orbitals (atomic) combine to form six molecular orbitals, Sorry: "Six p orbitals"; the "pi" should have gone with "six molecular orbitals". > the first, lowest in energy is that depicted in the link above > (double donut) and naturally it contains two electrons, the other > two orbitals (degenerate) are at somewhat higher energy, and each > is occupied by a pair of electrons: spatial distribution is even > for the six electrons, energy distribution is in two levels, and > all this represent the ground state. > > > This will be over your head, but others may be interested in what happens > > when all the pi electrons are not in phase, producing unstable higher > > energy states. http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/351/Carey5th/Ch11/benzene-mo.jpg > > Yes, but again this is ground state. An excited state would require > occupancy of pi4 (or pi5), for example. > > regards > Angelo
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 14:14 -0700 |
| Subject | zene o'Ben |
| Message-ID | <70313c60-9458-4776-a699-204f46a70492@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #510791 |
ah, so > Sorry: "Six p orbitals"; the "pi" should have gone with "six > molecular orbitals". > > > the first, lowest in energy is that depicted in the link above > > (double donut) and naturally it contains two electrons, the other > > two orbitals (degenerate) are at somewhat higher energy, and each > > is occupied by a pair of electrons: spatial distribution is even > > for the six electrons, energy distribution is in two levels, and > > all this represent the ground state. > > > > > This will be over your head, but others may be interested in what happens > > > when all the pi electrons are not in phase, producing unstable higher > > > energy states. http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/351/Carey5th/Ch11/benzene-mo.jpg > > > > Yes, but again this is ground state. An excited state would require > > occupancy of pi4 (or pi5), for example. > > > > regards > > Angelo
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 17:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mpm3vi$bej$3@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #510691 |
On 8/1/2015 4:05 PM, john wrote: > In my 3D representation of Benzene, > if electrons have momentum, all of > them are in a state of constant acceleration > all the time, and nothing has to > "delocalize", as can be seen by just > looking at it. Yes, I get that nothing has to delocalize. But delocalization gets the measurable properties right. Therefore delocalization is not a Bad Thing to avoid at all costs. > Where is the 3D animation of Benzene > that you ascribe to, hyak? > Or picture. > Or diagram? > Do you show it as a cute little > cloud-donut? > How does it compare to > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF > ??? > Badly, I think. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2015-08-01 22:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpjib5$qjo$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #510691 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >In my 3D representation of Benzene, >if electrons have momentum, all of >them are in a state of constant acceleration Stop right there. Fail. Electrons in constant acceleration would constantly radiate and lose energy. Obviously that cannot happen, and we don't see benzene radiating. >Where is the 3D animation of Benzene >that you ascribe to, hyak? What do you mean animation? >Or picture. >Or diagram? As to images, do I have to spoon feed you? >Do you show it as a cute little >cloud-donut? That's the dumbed-down version for you. Others such as http://www.chemhume.co.uk/A2CHEM/Unit%201/2%20Arenes/delocalised_structure_benzene.jpg shows the individual pi electrons separately and combined, with the sign of the wave function shown in color. This will be over your head, but others may be interested in what happens when all the pi electrons are not in phase, producing unstable higher energy states. http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/351/Carey5th/Ch11/benzene-mo.jpg >How does it compare to >http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF >??? >Badly, I think. Yes, yours is pretty bad.
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| From | Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 02:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ed3781ba-b285-41c4-9887-5033126de46f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #510849 |
Il giorno domenica 2 agosto 2015 00:48:09 UTC+2, Michael Moroney ha scritto: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > > >In my 3D representation of Benzene, > >if electrons have momentum, all of > >them are in a state of constant acceleration > > Stop right there. Fail. > > Electrons in constant acceleration would constantly radiate and lose > energy. Obviously that cannot happen, and we don't see benzene radiating. > > >Where is the 3D animation of Benzene > >that you ascribe to, hyak? > > What do you mean animation? > > >Or picture. > >Or diagram? > > As to images, do I have to spoon feed you? > > >Do you show it as a cute little > >cloud-donut? > > That's the dumbed-down version for you. > > Others such as > http://www.chemhume.co.uk/A2CHEM/Unit%201/2%20Arenes/delocalised_structure_benzene.jpg > shows the individual pi electrons separately and combined, with the sign > of the wave function shown in color. Not sure if it might be said so. Six pi orbitals (atomic) combine to form six molecular orbitals, the first, lowest in energy is that depicted in the link above (double donut) and naturally it contains two electrons, the other two orbitals (degenerate) are at somewhat higher energy, and each is occupied by a pair of electrons: spatial distribution is even for the six electrons, energy distribution is in two levels, and all this represent the ground state. > This will be over your head, but others may be interested in what happens > when all the pi electrons are not in phase, producing unstable higher > energy states. http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/351/Carey5th/Ch11/benzene-mo.jpg Yes, but again this is ground state. An excited state would require occupancy of pi4 (or pi5), for example. regards Angelo
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 16:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mpm3od$bej$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #510646 |
On 8/1/2015 7:25 AM, john wrote: > If it walks like a duck. > > How is "delocalized" electrons defensible? By agreement with measurement. Remember, that is how scientific ideas are judged. > Or any of the other "math fixes" that > are used in place of reality? It's not a "math fix". It's a physical model that accurately predicts what reality does, as shown in experiment. Experiment IS reality, not what you have in your mind, John. > "Wah wah wah- now the numbers > work wonderfully!" Well, yah!! You > fudged them! Oh, I don't think so, John. But if you really believe that no experiment result can be trusted, and that certainly no experimental result can be used to test the truth of a scientific idea, then we're back to where we were a few posts ago: You don't like science. You don't like the scientific method. You don't believe that it works. And yet.... here you are, posting to a group filled with people who are fans of science. So .... why? And what's even more interesting ... if you don't like science, then why do you loft up your own pseudoscientific ideas? Are you confused internally? > Great how fudge makes > your answer right. Too bad you don't > have the integrity to not use it, because > now we're stuck > (When I was working on my Benzene > solution, Michael was all, "Not symmetric > enough!", but now he's, "Too symmetric.!!" > Dishonesty or what? ) > benzene: > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF > No delocalizing or other magic needed. > If your model needs magic? It's wrong!!! > There's no such thing as magic. There's stuff you don't understand, but that doesn't make it magic. I think maybe what you're trying to say is, "If the idea that explains benzene can't be written down in a short paragraph in plain language so that ANYONE can understand it, then it's wrong!" But that's just nonsense, John. Do you understand endocrinology? Does the fact that you don't make it wrong? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 16:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mpm3s9$bej$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #510646 |
On 8/1/2015 11:21 AM, john wrote: > Michael said > "Why are you here?" > Because Physics has just made a > bunch of shit up to match observation. That's how the scientific method works! You come up with a bunch of ideas, and if they allow you to make predictions, and those predictions match observation, then your bunch of ideas is RIGHT! Now, you apparently think that's a shitty way to explain things. So you think science is shitty thinking. So why are you here? > This particular piece of shit says > there are THREE electrons in the > same orbital on each side of the > Benzene ring. ( Not 6.) I really don't think so, John. Where did you get that idea? > This is totally against one of the > premier rules. > But hey- when ur king u don't have > to follow no steenking rules. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-02 16:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mpm2v2$9cr$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #510600 |
On 7/31/2015 9:00 PM, john wrote: > Odd, I already outed you on that when > you referenced a conversation between > you and me about composites. > When you were PD. > Then YOU claimed, "Oh, it must have > been someone else- I just FORGOT. > Hard to keep lies straight, Odd. > Need a better memory > John, whatever you're on about, have fun. You're the one that claimed that Robert Winn hadn't posted here since 2008 or 2009, and you didn't even bother to check. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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