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| First post | 2015-06-02 23:08 +0200 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-02 23:08 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 10:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 19:54 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 13:31 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 23:31 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:31 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 00:01 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 19:14 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:08 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 18:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 06:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 09:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 14:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 06:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 11:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Sesiom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-10 14:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-11 00:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-11 06:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-11 05:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-11 11:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-08 19:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-08 19:59 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-09 11:05 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-09 12:22 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-09 14:10 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 14:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 00:19 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 19:13 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 14:50 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-11 22:44 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 14:15 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-07 18:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 06:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-08 20:32 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-08 16:02 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 06:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:33 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 19:18 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 12:24 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 20:25 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 13:29 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:15 -0500
Re: "duke" is a chronic child. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 18:07 -0500
Re: "duke" is a chronic child. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 02:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-05 20:45 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:34 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 00:10 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:38 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 19:32 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 19:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 11:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 14:54 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 06:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-10 12:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-10 14:29 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Sesiom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-10 14:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-10 17:33 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Sesiom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-10 18:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-10 21:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-11 05:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-11 11:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 14:54 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 20:37 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 14:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 22:33 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-06-05 17:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-05 21:02 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:33 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-06 06:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 05:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 12:55 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:21 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-05 22:20 +0000
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-11 05:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mlbkh8$cmu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #499214 |
On 6/10/2015 12:47 PM, duke wrote: > >>>> The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end, Duke. >>> >>> Everybody dies. > > >> Can't prove it by me. > > You are guaranteed to be your own proof. Not necessarily. I plan to be the first person to live forever. Call me Lazarus Long. The Senior. God will be PISSED! -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-11 11:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <E5iex.132225$Lj1.112403@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #499362 |
On 06/11/2015 05:32 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/10/2015 12:47 PM, duke wrote:
>>
>>>>> The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end, Duke.
>>>>
>>>> Everybody dies.
> >
> >
>>> Can't prove it by me.
>>
>> You are guaranteed to be your own proof.
>
>
> Not necessarily. I plan to be the first person to live forever.
> Call me Lazarus Long. The Senior.
>
> God will be PISSED!
>
>
Nope. YOU will be pissed when you find yourself dead and notice that you
are a ghost just like you always believed!
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-08 19:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ml5ihc61pl5@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #498623 |
On 06/08/2015 04:57 AM, duke wrote: > God made me in his image. The image of Jesus and my image are very, very close. Jesus is the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man! http://thecatholiccommentator.org/pages/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/wpid-WP_IM_1334689625925__0.jpg
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| From | "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-08 19:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5575d7fe$0$23233$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> |
| In reply to | #498493 |
"duke" skrev i meddelelsen news:plf9nadto9cscdh07spgqj4vm8dig4oldd@4ax.com... > > On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 19:14:17 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > wrote: > > >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen > >news:2486na5u5ehmgt40boevdp8s17567oidbr@4ax.com... > >> > >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 00:01:31 +0200, "Malte Runz" > >> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen > >> >news:3g14nalvj7vq6cv3pm5n1fqe50l315f08r@4ax.com... > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 23:31:45 +0200, "Malte Runz" > >> >> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen > >> >> >news:aohumada32jvdb12snvfhtrp22pq9tnlib@4ax.com... > >> >> >> > >(snip) > > > >> >> >> ... you are literally > >> >> >> asking for the fires of hell. ... > >> >> > >> >> >No, not literally. Understand once and for all that nobody wants to > >> >> >go > >> >> >to > >> >> >Hell. > >> >> > >> >> Yes, you do. ... > >> > > >> >No, I don't. I repeat: I do not wish to go to Hell. You can quote me > >> >on > >> >that. > >> > >> You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... > >So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. > > Yet that is your fate for living contrary to God. And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living contrary to God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, right? > > >> ... You can quote God on > >> that. > > >On what? Show me words there are, beyond any reasonable doubt, God's. > > there are 2.2 billion people min alive and well today that disagree with > you. Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed. > > >> >> ... You know it's listen or the flames. You deny listening. > >> >I don't believe in God, Hell, Satan or Jesus Christ. > >> You're still being judged by God. You don't get a vote. > > >See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're > >voluntarily kau tau'ing to the brutal leader and you wish eternal torture > >on > >those who dare to be different. > > God doesn't run a democracy. You only get an invitation to his heavenly > kingdom > for all eternity if you live his way. Otherwise you get left behind for > use by > satan. QED, duce. > > >> >Why has God made the rules? Why is the punishment so harsh? Why is > >> >torture > >> >not evil? > > God created all things, and he made the rules for our participation. If > you > tell him ... I don't talk to God. My choice are made as if there is no god to judge me. I am an atheist. I don't believe gods exist. > ... to get lost as you do, you are the one relegating yourself to be left > behind. And your loving God leaves me to burn forever. Amen! > > >> God doesn't torture you. ... > >He's the one sending me to Hell, right. That makes him responsible. > > No, YOU are the one sending youself to hell. Bull. I live my life the way I want. I don't kill, rape or steal. I'm pretty much what you'd call 'a good guy, a decent fellow, a friendly person, who goes out of his way to help others'. My only 'sin' is that I don't believe that everything is created by the god in the Bible. Enter God, who says that that kind of life is evil, and the punishment he has chosen for me is eternal torture. Why does he do that? Why allow me to be torured when he could easily (he is after all the omnipotent creator of everything) prevent it? > > >> ... Satan does that after you are left behind. > > >Why doesn't God put an end to it? If he's omnipotent he could blow out > >the > >flames of hell, and show love and mercy to all of us. > > Love and Mercy for one who rejects his own love and mercy to his fellow > man. Come again? What am I doing? Be very specific, and expect follow-up questions. > You're kidding. Right?? No, I'm once again confused. Your words make no sense to me. > > > (And no, I do not want > >to go to hell, I don't desire the flames, I haven't expressed a wish for > >being tortured for all eternity.) > > It's an automatic ruling ... No, it's God's ruling. Only God decides what the punishment for people like me is. Very much against all my wishes and expressed desires. > ... based on how you choose to live out your life in the > flesh. And at no point do I choose to live my life in a certain way because I want to be tortured forever. We need to be very clear on this. Do you accept, that being tortured for all eternity is not something I desire? Yes or no, please. No need to tell me that the flames are a consequence of my choices. > > >> Not like your hatred for God gives you a hard on. > >As you know, I don't believe in neither God nor Satan. Do you hate Santa? > > Nope. But you don't believe he is real. I don't believe God is real, and you call that 'hate'. Classic case of double standard. (I sense a case of special pleading coming up) > > >> >> ... It's all your choice. > >> >If it were, I'd choose to not go to Hell. > >> Then you better change your evil ways quickly > > >You keep saying I'm evil. I understand why you need to believe that, but > >what is it that I do that makes me evil? > > God told you what evil is. You refuse to listen. I don't hear voices in my heart. I need something a bit more tangible than hearsay and a translation of a translation of a copy of translation of an old book full of ancient myths. -- Malte Runz
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-09 11:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <hcnt9wqpi1x3$.ae9khndrmc4n$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #498700 |
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, Malte Runz wrote: > "duke" skrev i meddelelsen > news:plf9nadto9cscdh07spgqj4vm8dig4oldd@4ax.com... >> >> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 19:14:17 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >> wrote: >> >>>"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >>>news:2486na5u5ehmgt40boevdp8s17567oidbr@4ax.com... >>>> >>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 00:01:31 +0200, "Malte Runz" >>>> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >>>> >news:3g14nalvj7vq6cv3pm5n1fqe50l315f08r@4ax.com... >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 23:31:45 +0200, "Malte Runz" >>>> >> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >>>> >> >news:aohumada32jvdb12snvfhtrp22pq9tnlib@4ax.com... >>>> >> >> >>>(snip) >>> >>>> >> >> ... you are literally >>>> >> >> asking for the fires of hell. ... >>>> >> >>>> >> >No, not literally. Understand once and for all that nobody wants to >>>> >> >go >>>> >> >to >>>> >> >Hell. >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes, you do. ... >>>> > >>>> >No, I don't. I repeat: I do not wish to go to Hell. You can quote me >>>> >on >>>> >that. >>>> >>>> You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... >>>So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. >> >> Yet that is your fate for living contrary to God. > > And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living contrary to > God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, right? Being forced to live forever worshipping god 24/7 is the lesser punishment... > >> >>>> ... You can quote God on >>>> that. >> >>>On what? Show me words there are, beyond any reasonable doubt, God's. >> >> there are 2.2 billion people min alive and well today that disagree with >> you. > > Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed. Why do they always think this is a beauty contest or an internet poll? > >> >>>> God doesn't torture you. ... >>>He's the one sending me to Hell, right. That makes him responsible. >> >> No, YOU are the one sending youself to hell. > > Bull. I live my life the way I want. I don't kill, rape or steal. I'm pretty > much what you'd call 'a good guy, a decent fellow, a friendly person, who > goes out of his way to help others'. My only 'sin' is that I don't believe > that everything is created by the god in the Bible. Enter God, who says that > that kind of life is evil, and the punishment he has chosen for me is > eternal torture. Why does he do that? Why allow me to be torured when he > could easily (he is after all the omnipotent creator of everything) prevent > it? Imagine separating your garbage, driving an electric car, installing solar panels on your roof and donating both your time and significant portions of your income to social causes ... and then being condemned by Enhedslisten – De Rød-Grønne because you're not a party member. Or, in American terms, being shouted at as an Un-American liberal foreigner-loving socialist because you support guns and the explusion of migrants without being a Tea Party affiliate....
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| From | "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-09 12:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5576be53$0$23236$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> |
| In reply to | #498873 |
"Alex W." skrev i meddelelsen news:hcnt9wqpi1x3$.ae9khndrmc4n$.dlg@40tude.net... > > On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, Malte Runz wrote: > (snip) > > And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living contrary > > to > > God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, > > right? > > Being forced to live forever worshipping god 24/7 is the > lesser punishment... "Forever" is the scary part in either case. > >>>> ... You can quote God on > >>>> that. > >> > >>>On what? Show me words there are, beyond any reasonable doubt, God's. > >> > >> there are 2.2 billion people min alive and well today that disagree > >> with > >> you. > > > > Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed. > > Why do they always think this is a beauty contest or an > internet poll? 10 trillion flies... I wonder if that kind of argument is what convinced them in the first place, or if it is merely used to justify their beliefs. > >>>> God doesn't torture you. ... > >>>He's the one sending me to Hell, right. That makes him responsible. > >> > >> No, YOU are the one sending youself to hell. > > > > Bull. I live my life the way I want. I don't kill, rape or steal. I'm > > pretty > > much what you'd call 'a good guy, a decent fellow, a friendly person, > > who > > goes out of his way to help others'. My only 'sin' is that I don't > > believe > > that everything is created by the god in the Bible. Enter God, who says > > that > > that kind of life is evil, and the punishment he has chosen for me is > > eternal torture. Why does he do that? Why allow me to be torured when he > > could easily (he is after all the omnipotent creator of everything) > > prevent > > it? > > Imagine separating your garbage, driving an electric car, > installing solar panels on your roof and donating both your > time and significant portions of your income to social > causes ... and then being condemned by Enhedslisten – De > Rød-Grønne because you're not a party member. How do you know about Enhedslisten? Er du dansk? > > Or, in American terms, being shouted at as an Un-American > liberal foreigner-loving socialist because you support guns > and the explusion of migrants without being a Tea Party > affiliate.... It's 'you're either with us or against us' all over again. -- Malte Runz
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-09 14:10 +0100 |
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On Tue, 9 Jun 2015 12:22:11 +0200, Malte Runz wrote: > "Alex W." skrev i meddelelsen > news:hcnt9wqpi1x3$.ae9khndrmc4n$.dlg@40tude.net... >> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, Malte Runz wrote: >> > > (snip) > >>> And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living contrary >>> to >>> God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, >>> right? >> >> Being forced to live forever worshipping god 24/7 is the >> lesser punishment... > > "Forever" is the scary part in either case. > >>>>>> ... You can quote God on >>>>>> that. >>>> >>>>>On what? Show me words there are, beyond any reasonable doubt, God's. >>>> >>>> there are 2.2 billion people min alive and well today that disagree >>>> with >>>> you. >>> >>> Argumentum ad populum. Dismissed. >> >> Why do they always think this is a beauty contest or an >> internet poll? > > 10 trillion flies... I wonder if that kind of argument is what convinced > them in the first place, or if it is merely used to justify their beliefs. It's the "safety in numbers" approach. And of course, humans are intensely tribal creatures. So being able to say "my tribe is bigger than yours" has a natural attraction.... How this fits in with the assertion that "god does not run a democracy" and by direct implication that numbers do not matter at all, I cannot figure out... > > >>>>>> God doesn't torture you. ... >>>>>He's the one sending me to Hell, right. That makes him responsible. >>>> >>>> No, YOU are the one sending youself to hell. >>> >>> Bull. I live my life the way I want. I don't kill, rape or steal. I'm >>> pretty >>> much what you'd call 'a good guy, a decent fellow, a friendly person, >>> who >>> goes out of his way to help others'. My only 'sin' is that I don't >>> believe >>> that everything is created by the god in the Bible. Enter God, who says >>> that >>> that kind of life is evil, and the punishment he has chosen for me is >>> eternal torture. Why does he do that? Why allow me to be torured when he >>> could easily (he is after all the omnipotent creator of everything) >>> prevent >>> it? >> >> Imagine separating your garbage, driving an electric car, >> installing solar panels on your roof and donating both your >> time and significant portions of your income to social >> causes ... and then being condemned by Enhedslisten – De >> Rød-Grønne because you're not a party member. > > How do you know about Enhedslisten? Er du dansk? Nah. I am a lifetime reader of the Economist. I like to read up on all sorts of stuff. Plus, they have been mentioned in the press, often in connection with the DF as examples of newer more extreme parties in Europe as well as a Europe-wide Eurosceptic movement. Oh, and I have spent many a pleasant summer sailing there.... > >> >> Or, in American terms, being shouted at as an Un-American >> liberal foreigner-loving socialist because you support guns >> and the explusion of migrants without being a Tea Party >> affiliate.... > > It's 'you're either with us or against us' all over again. It's worse than that. It's "if you're with us but do not carry the correct party membership, you are not really with us".
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-09 14:49 -0500 |
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: >> >> You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... >> >So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. >> >> Yet that is your fate for living contrary to God. >And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living contrary to >God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, right? God calls for the love and goodness to come out of your heart. If it can't, your fated is determined, >> >> >> ... You know it's listen or the flames. You deny listening. >> >> >I don't believe in God, Hell, Satan or Jesus Christ. >> >> You're still being judged by God. You don't get a vote. >> >> >See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're >> >voluntarily kau tau'ing to the brutal leader and you wish eternal torture >> >on >> >those who dare to be different. >> God doesn't run a democracy. You only get an invitation to his heavenly >> kingdom for all eternity if you live his way. Otherwise you get left behind for >> use by satan. >QED, duce. All of us face that. That's why I spend so much of my time living as he calls me. You live as satan calls you. >> >> >Why has God made the rules? Why is the punishment so harsh? Why is >> >> >torture >> >> >not evil? >> God created all things, and he made the rules for our participation. If >> you tell him ... >I don't talk to God. My choice are made as if there is no god to judge me. I >am an atheist. I don't believe gods exist. He's all powerful. He well knows what is in your heart. >> ... to get lost as you do, you are the one relegating yourself to be left >> behind. >And your loving God leaves me to burn forever. Amen! It's your announced choice if that's your eternal fate. >> >> God doesn't torture you. ... >> >He's the one sending me to Hell, right. That makes him responsible. >> >> No, YOU are the one sending youself to hell. >Bull. I live my life the way I want. Exactly, and you free deviate form our call of God if you wish. >I don't kill, rape or steal. I'm pretty >much what you'd call 'a good guy, a decent fellow, a friendly person, who >goes out of his way to help others'. My only 'sin' is that I don't believe >that everything is created by the god in the Bible. Enter God, who says that >that kind of life is evil, and the punishment he has chosen for me is >eternal torture. Why does he do that? Why allow me to be torured when he >could easily (he is after all the omnipotent creator of everything) prevent >it? Are you trying to blame God for your bad actions? >> >> ... Satan does that after you are left behind. >> >> >Why doesn't God put an end to it? If he's omnipotent he could blow out >> >the >> >flames of hell, and show love and mercy to all of us. >> Love and Mercy for one who rejects his own love and mercy to his fellow >> man. >Come again? What am I doing? Be very specific, and expect follow-up >questions. I have no idea what you're guilty of. You're the confused one that believes you're a good guy that will be tortured forever. If that's true, you're dealing with satan and not God. >> You're kidding. Right?? >No, I'm once again confused. Your words make no sense to me. The feeling is mutual. >> > (And no, I do not want >> >to go to hell, I don't desire the flames, I haven't expressed a wish for >> >being tortured for all eternity.) >> >> It's an automatic ruling ... >No, it's God's ruling. Only God decides what the punishment for people like >me is. Very much against all my wishes and expressed desires. Then change your ways and follow God for salvation >> ... based on how you choose to live out your life in the >> flesh. >And at no point do I choose to live my life in a certain way because I want >to be tortured forever. We need to be very clear on this. Do you accept, >that being tortured for all eternity is not something I desire? Yes or no, >please. No need to tell me that the flames are a consequence of my choices. Your choices are what counts. >> >> Not like your hatred for God gives you a hard on. >> >As you know, I don't believe in neither God nor Satan. Do you hate Santa? >> >> Nope. >But you don't believe he is real. I don't believe God is real, and you call >that 'hate'. Classic case of double standard. >(I sense a case of special pleading coming up) It doesn't matter if you believe God is real or not. It's your actions that set you free or condemn you - God's decision. So if you make bad choices, you are condemning yourself. >> >> >> ... It's all your choice. >> >> >If it were, I'd choose to not go to Hell. >> >> Then you better change your evil ways quickly >> >> >You keep saying I'm evil. I understand why you need to believe that, but >> >what is it that I do that makes me evil? >> God told you what evil is. You refuse to listen. >I don't hear voices in my heart. I need something a bit more tangible than >hearsay and a translation of a translation of a copy of translation of an >old book full of ancient myths. You have the same thing the rest of us have. Why are you so bad? the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-10 00:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <55776658$0$23222$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> |
| In reply to | #498999 |
"duke" skrev i meddelelsen news:jqfena9p4heh3joiimqr9lc8pulc7cv8p6@4ax.com... > > On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > wrote: > > >> >> You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... > >> >So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. > >> > >> Yet that is your fate for living contrary to God. > > >And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living contrary > >to > >God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, > >right? > > God calls for the love and goodness to come out of your heart. If it > can't, > your fated is determined, But why did he decide that the punishment should be eternal torture? I've asked many times but you never answer. > > >> >> >> ... You know it's listen or the flames. You deny listening. > >> >> >I don't believe in God, Hell, Satan or Jesus Christ. > >> >> You're still being judged by God. You don't get a vote. > >> > >> >See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're > >> >voluntarily kau tau'ing to the brutal leader and you wish eternal > >> >torture > >> >on > >> >those who dare to be different. > > >> God doesn't run a democracy. You only get an invitation to his > >> heavenly > >> kingdom for all eternity if you live his way. Otherwise you get left > >> behind for > >> use by satan. > >QED, duce. > > All of us face that. That's why I spend so much of my time living as he > calls > me. You live as satan calls you. I don't believe that satan exists and can therefor not heed his call. > > >> >> >Why has God made the rules? Why is the punishment so harsh? Why is > >> >> >torture > >> >> >not evil? > > >> God created all things, and he made the rules for our participation. > >> If > >> you tell him ... > > >I don't talk to God. My choice are made as if there is no god to judge > >me. I > >am an atheist. I don't believe gods exist. > > He's all powerful. He well knows what is in your heart. And all he sees is evil, right. > > >> ... to get lost as you do, you are the one relegating yourself to be > >> left > >> behind. > >And your loving God leaves me to burn forever. Amen! > > It's your announced choice if that's your eternal fate. I never chose eternal torture. The torture is the consequence of my choices you say. You also say God made the rules. He decided what are good choices and decided what the punishment for not following him should be. > >> >> God doesn't torture you. ... > >> >He's the one sending me to Hell, right. That makes him responsible. > >> > >> No, YOU are the one sending youself to hell. > > >Bull. I live my life the way I want. > > Exactly, and you free deviate form our call of God if you wish. > > >I don't kill, rape or steal. I'm pretty > >much what you'd call 'a good guy, a decent fellow, a friendly person, who > >goes out of his way to help others'. My only 'sin' is that I don't > >believe > >that everything is created by the god in the Bible. Enter God, who says > >that > >that kind of life is evil, and the punishment he has chosen for me is > >eternal torture. Why does he do that? Why allow me to be torured when he > >could easily (he is after all the omnipotent creator of everything) > >prevent > >it? > > Are you trying to blame God for your bad actions? Which bad actions? You really need to answer that question. > > >> >> ... Satan does that after you are left behind. > >> > >> >Why doesn't God put an end to it? If he's omnipotent he could blow out > >> >the > >> >flames of hell, and show love and mercy to all of us. > > >> Love and Mercy for one who rejects his own love and mercy to his fellow > >> man. > >Come again? What am I doing? Be very specific, and expect follow-up > >questions. > > I have no idea what you're guilty of. ... But you keep telling me that I am evil, and deserve to be tortured for all eternity. You must have some idea what is I do. > ... You're the confused one that believes > you're a good guy that will be tortured forever. ... Of course I don't believe I'll be tortured, silly man. We talking about that horrible fate you think I deserve, and what kind of person that makes you. (snip) > >And at no point do I choose to live my life in a certain way because I > >want > >to be tortured forever. We need to be very clear on this. Do you accept, > >that being tortured for all eternity is not something I desire? Yes or > >no, > >please. No need to tell me that the flames are a consequence of my > >choices. > > Your choices are what counts. I know you believe that my choices are so bad, that poor God has no choice but to leave me. That is not what I am asking about. So I try again: Do you accept that it is not my wish burned forever? > >> >> Not like your hatred for God gives you a hard on. > >> >As you know, I don't believe in neither God nor Satan. Do you hate > >> >Santa? > >> > >> Nope. > > >But you don't believe he is real. I don't believe God is real, and you > >call > >that 'hate'. Classic case of double standard. > >(I sense a case of special pleading coming up) > > It doesn't matter if you believe God is real or not. ... It sure does when you accuse me of harboruing "hatred for God". If I don't believe he exists I cannot hate him. Even you should be able to get that. (snip) > >> God told you what evil is. You refuse to listen. > > >I don't hear voices in my heart. I need something a bit more tangible > >than > >hearsay and a translation of a translation of a copy of translation of an > >old book full of ancient myths. > > You have the same thing the rest of us have. ... I hope not. Is there are cure out there? > ... Why are you so bad? Okay... I've had it with you calling me bad and evil without telling me exactly what is I do. I've asked you many times, but you have failed to reply. Last chance. Why do you say I am "so bad"? -- Malte Runz
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-10 11:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ejqgnat6ogcncss1j4t4muv6jvb2t8rqk8@4ax.com> |
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:19:05 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >news:jqfena9p4heh3joiimqr9lc8pulc7cv8p6@4ax.com... >> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... >> >> >So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. >> >> >> >> Yet that is your fate for living contrary to God. >> >> >And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living contrary >> >to >> >God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, >> >right? >> >> God calls for the love and goodness to come out of your heart. If it >> can't, >> your fated is determined, > >But why did he decide that the punishment should be eternal torture? I've >asked many times but you never answer. I don't know. "Eternal torture" is an atheist term. I never heard God use it. >> >> >> >> ... You know it's listen or the flames. You deny listening. >> >> >> >I don't believe in God, Hell, Satan or Jesus Christ. >> >> >> You're still being judged by God. You don't get a vote. >> >> >> >> >See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're >> >> >voluntarily kau tau'ing to the brutal leader and you wish eternal >> >> >torture >> >> >on >> >> >those who dare to be different. >> >> >> God doesn't run a democracy. You only get an invitation to his >> >> heavenly >> >> kingdom for all eternity if you live his way. Otherwise you get left >> >> behind for >> >> use by satan. >> >QED, duce. > >> All of us face that. That's why I spend so much of my time living as he >> calls >> me. You live as satan calls you. >I don't believe that satan exists and can therefor not heed his call. Your funeral. >> >> >> >Why has God made the rules? Why is the punishment so harsh? Why is >> >> >> >torture >> >> >> >not evil? >> >> >> God created all things, and he made the rules for our participation. >> >> If >> >> you tell him ... >> >> >I don't talk to God. My choice are made as if there is no god to judge >> >me. I >> >am an atheist. I don't believe gods exist. >> >> He's all powerful. He well knows what is in your heart. > >And all he sees is evil, right. No, but he knows which one of us represents what. >> >> ... to get lost as you do, you are the one relegating yourself to be >> >> left >> >> behind. >> >And your loving God leaves me to burn forever. Amen! >> >> It's your announced choice if that's your eternal fate. >I never chose eternal torture. The torture is the consequence of my choices >you say. You also say God made the rules. He decided what are good choices >and decided what the punishment for not following him should be. Pretty much. >> >> >> God doesn't torture you. ... >> >> >He's the one sending me to Hell, right. That makes him responsible. >> >> >> >> No, YOU are the one sending youself to hell. >> >> >Bull. I live my life the way I want. >> Exactly, and you free deviate form our call of God if you wish. Heeheehee. >> >I don't kill, rape or steal. I'm pretty >> >much what you'd call 'a good guy, a decent fellow, a friendly person, who >> >goes out of his way to help others'. My only 'sin' is that I don't >> >believe >> >that everything is created by the god in the Bible. Enter God, who says >> >that >> >that kind of life is evil, and the punishment he has chosen for me is >> >eternal torture. Why does he do that? Why allow me to be torured when he >> >could easily (he is after all the omnipotent creator of everything) >> >prevent >> >it? > >> Are you trying to blame God for your bad actions? >Which bad actions? You really need to answer that question. I don't know. Only you and God know of them. >> >> >> >> ... Satan does that after you are left behind. >> >> >> >> >Why doesn't God put an end to it? If he's omnipotent he could blow out >> >> >the >> >> >flames of hell, and show love and mercy to all of us. >> >> >> Love and Mercy for one who rejects his own love and mercy to his fellow >> >> man. >> >Come again? What am I doing? Be very specific, and expect follow-up >> >questions. >> >> I have no idea what you're guilty of. ... >But you keep telling me that I am evil, and deserve to be tortured for all >eternity. You must have some idea what is I do. No, because that is the image of yourself that you keep projecting. >> ... You're the confused one that believes >> you're a good guy that will be tortured forever. ... >Of course I don't believe I'll be tortured, silly man. We talking about that >horrible fate you think I deserve, and what kind of person that makes you. I don't know what you deserve. It's not my call. >(snip) > >> >And at no point do I choose to live my life in a certain way because I >> >want >> >to be tortured forever. We need to be very clear on this. Do you accept, >> >that being tortured for all eternity is not something I desire? Yes or >> >no, >> >please. No need to tell me that the flames are a consequence of my >> >choices. >> >> Your choices are what counts. >I know you believe that my choices are so bad, that poor God has no choice >but to leave me. That is not what I am asking about. So I try again: Do you >accept that it is not my wish burned forever? I don't know. >> >> >> Not like your hatred for God gives you a hard on. >> >> >As you know, I don't believe in neither God nor Satan. Do you hate >> >> >Santa? >> >> >> >> Nope. >> >> >But you don't believe he is real. I don't believe God is real, and you >> >call >> >that 'hate'. Classic case of double standard. >> >(I sense a case of special pleading coming up) >> >> It doesn't matter if you believe God is real or not. ... >It sure does when you accuse me of harboruing "hatred for God". If I don't >believe he exists I cannot hate him. Even you should be able to get that. That's right. I don't know what you represent. >(snip) >> >> God told you what evil is. You refuse to listen. >> >I don't hear voices in my heart. I need something a bit more tangible >> >than >> >hearsay and a translation of a translation of a copy of translation of an >> >old book full of ancient myths. >> You have the same thing the rest of us have. ... >I hope not. Is there are cure out there? For us, it doesn't mean hell. >> ... Why are you so bad? >Okay... I've had it with you calling me bad and evil without telling me >exactly what is I do. I've asked you many times, but you have failed to >reply. Last chance. Why do you say I am "so bad"? I told you - that's the way you present yourself. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-10 19:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <55787043$0$23221$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> |
| In reply to | #499217 |
"duke" skrev i meddelelsen news:ejqgnat6ogcncss1j4t4muv6jvb2t8rqk8@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:19:05 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > wrote: > > >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen > >news:jqfena9p4heh3joiimqr9lc8pulc7cv8p6@4ax.com... > >> > >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, "Malte Runz" > >> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >> >> You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... > >> >> >So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. > >> >> > >> >> Yet that is your fate for living contrary to God. > >> > >> >And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living > >> >contrary > >> >to > >> >God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, > >> >right? > >> > >> God calls for the love and goodness to come out of your heart. If it > >> can't, > >> your fated is determined, > > > >But why did he decide that the punishment should be eternal torture? I've > >asked many times but you never answer. > > I don't know. "Eternal torture" is an atheist term. I never heard God > use it. What happens in Hell? You burn in the flames. For how long? For all eternity. Do the math. (snip) > >> He's all powerful. He well knows what is in your heart. > > > >And all he sees is evil, right. > > No, ... Sure? > >I never chose eternal torture. The torture is the consequence of my > >choices > >you say. You also say God made the rules. He decided what are good > >choices > >and decided what the punishment for not following him should be. > > Pretty much. Finally. Now, why is the punishment so harsh? (snip) > >> Are you trying to blame God for your bad actions? > >Which bad actions? You really need to answer that question. > > I don't know. ... You keep telling me that I'll end up in Hell because of my "bad actions", yet you don't know what they are. What does that make you? > ... Only you and God know of them. I don't believe in any gods. I have had plenty of sex out of wedlock. I have taken mild drugs. I have shoplifted maybe ten times as a juvenile. I have been drunk. I tell my share of white lies. Now you know my sins too. Would you send me to Hell, based on what you know now, if you were in charge? (snip) > >I know you believe that my choices are so bad, that poor God has no > >choice > >but to leave me. That is not what I am asking about. So I try again: Do > >you > >accept that it is not my wish burned forever? > > I don't know. I think you do, but you just don't want the thought manifest itself in your mind. (snip) > >> ... Why are you so bad? > > >Okay... I've had it with you calling me bad and evil without telling me > >exactly what is I do. I've asked you many times, but you have failed to > >reply. Last chance. Why do you say I am "so bad"? > > I told you - that's the way you present yourself. Examples, please. -- Malte Runz
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-11 14:50 -0500 |
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:13:40 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >news:ejqgnat6ogcncss1j4t4muv6jvb2t8rqk8@4ax.com... >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:19:05 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >> wrote: >> >> >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >> >news:jqfena9p4heh3joiimqr9lc8pulc7cv8p6@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:59:26 +0200, "Malte Runz" >> >> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... >> >> >> >So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yet that is your fate for living contrary to God. >> >> >> >> >And God decided that burning forever is punishment for "living >> >> >contrary >> >> >to >> >> >God". Being omnipotent he could have chosen a less sever punishment, >> >> >right? >> >> >> >> God calls for the love and goodness to come out of your heart. If it >> >> can't, >> >> your fated is determined, >> > >> >But why did he decide that the punishment should be eternal torture? I've >> >asked many times but you never answer. >> >> I don't know. "Eternal torture" is an atheist term. I never heard God >> use it. > >What happens in Hell? You burn in the flames. >For how long? For all eternity. >Do the math. You can be left behind for all eternity. >> >> He's all powerful. He well knows what is in your heart. >> >And all he sees is evil, right. >> No, ... >Sure? Your guess. >> >I never chose eternal torture. The torture is the consequence of my >> >choices >> >you say. You also say God made the rules. He decided what are good >> >choices >> >and decided what the punishment for not following him should be. >> Pretty much. >Finally. Now, why is the punishment so harsh? My guess is that the punishment fits the crime. >> >> Are you trying to blame God for your bad actions? >> >Which bad actions? You really need to answer that question. >> I don't know. ... >You keep telling me that I'll end up in Hell because of my "bad actions", >yet you don't know what they are. What does that make you? No, I keep telling you that God said you won't be happy with your plight for violating his commandments. >> ... Only you and God know of them. >I don't believe in any gods. I have had plenty of sex out of wedlock. I have >taken mild drugs. I have shoplifted maybe ten times as a juvenile. I have >been drunk. I tell my share of white lies. Now you know my sins too. Would >you send me to Hell, based on what you know now, if you were in charge? Did you go to confession? >(snip) > >> >I know you believe that my choices are so bad, that poor God has no >> >choice >> >but to leave me. That is not what I am asking about. So I try again: Do >> >you >> >accept that it is not my wish burned forever? >> >> I don't know. > >I think you do, but you just don't want the thought manifest itself in your >mind. I've told you that you will be judged by God for the things you did while in the flesh that were in violation of his standards for living as he calls us. Either you get it or you don't. >> >> ... Why are you so bad? >> >Okay... I've had it with you calling me bad and evil without telling me >> >exactly what is I do. I've asked you many times, but you have failed to >> >reply. Last chance. Why do you say I am "so bad"? >> I told you - that's the way you present yourself. >Examples, please. It's your examples. If you think God is not happy with your for the way you are, it's up to you to change your ways. God knows you, I don't. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-11 22:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5579f314$0$23227$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> |
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"duke" skrev i meddelelsen news:83pjnaheh2fkd1nda72rpnjs02b1pr65pn@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:13:40 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > wrote: (snip) > >I don't believe in any gods. I have had plenty of sex out of wedlock. I > >have > >taken mild drugs. I have shoplifted maybe ten times as a juvenile. I have > >been drunk. I tell my share of white lies. Now you know my sins too. > >Would > >you send me to Hell, based on what you know now, if you were in charge? > > Did you go to confession? Of course not. I'm a total non-believer. I want to know if you would send me to Hell for the 'sins' I listed? (snip) -- Malte Runz
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-13 14:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <u60pnaphkup4k6bsu52bgh08q3hkn7gvuc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #499503 |
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:44:08 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >news:83pjnaheh2fkd1nda72rpnjs02b1pr65pn@4ax.com... >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 19:13:40 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >> wrote: > >(snip) > >> >I don't believe in any gods. I have had plenty of sex out of wedlock. I >> >have >> >taken mild drugs. I have shoplifted maybe ten times as a juvenile. I have >> >been drunk. I tell my share of white lies. Now you know my sins too. >> >Would >> >you send me to Hell, based on what you know now, if you were in charge? >> >> Did you go to confession? > >Of course not. I'm a total non-believer. I fully understand. That makes you an agnostic, an unbeliever. You're not atheist. To be an atheist, you need to provide evidence that there is NO God, and you can't. >I want to know if you would send me >to Hell for the 'sins' I listed? You snipped them. > >(snip) the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-07 18:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-B8CEA2.18271907062015@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #498451 |
In article <55747be9$0$23225$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: > "duke" skrev i meddelelsen > news:2486na5u5ehmgt40boevdp8s17567oidbr@4ax.com... > > > > On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 00:01:31 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > > wrote: > > > > >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen > > >news:3g14nalvj7vq6cv3pm5n1fqe50l315f08r@4ax.com... > > >> > > >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 23:31:45 +0200, "Malte Runz" > > >> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen > > >> >news:aohumada32jvdb12snvfhtrp22pq9tnlib@4ax.com... > > >> >> > (snip) > > > >> >> ... you are literally > > >> >> asking for the fires of hell. ... > > >> > > >> >No, not literally. Understand once and for all that nobody wants to go > > >> >to > > >> >Hell. > > >> > > >> Yes, you do. ... > > > > > >No, I don't. I repeat: I do not wish to go to Hell. You can quote me on > > >that. > > > > You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... > > So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. > > > > ... You can quote God on > > that. > > On what? Show me words there are, beyond any reasonable doubt, God's. > > > > > >> ... You know it's listen or the flames. You deny listening. > > > > >I don't believe in God, Hell, Satan or Jesus Christ. > > > > You're still being judged by God. You don't get a vote. > > See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're > voluntarily kau tau'ing Ummm. kowtow -- JD Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-08 06:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5r0bnadbo68a7vbe5eak81901hc2k2298e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #498545 |
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 18:27:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: >In article <55747be9$0$23225$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, > "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: > >> "duke" skrev i meddelelsen >> news:2486na5u5ehmgt40boevdp8s17567oidbr@4ax.com... >> > >> > On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 00:01:31 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >> > >news:3g14nalvj7vq6cv3pm5n1fqe50l315f08r@4ax.com... >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 23:31:45 +0200, "Malte Runz" >> > >> <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >"duke" skrev i meddelelsen >> > >> >news:aohumada32jvdb12snvfhtrp22pq9tnlib@4ax.com... >> > >> >> >> (snip) >> >> > >> >> ... you are literally >> > >> >> asking for the fires of hell. ... >> > >> >> > >> >No, not literally. Understand once and for all that nobody wants to go >> > >> >to >> > >> >Hell. >> > >> >> > >> Yes, you do. ... >> > > >> > >No, I don't. I repeat: I do not wish to go to Hell. You can quote me on >> > >that. >> > >> > You say you do by the way you reject God in your life. ... >> >> So, I didn't ask for the flames "literally". Moving on. >> >> >> > ... You can quote God on >> > that. >> >> On what? Show me words there are, beyond any reasonable doubt, God's. >> >> > >> > >> ... You know it's listen or the flames. You deny listening. >> > >> > >I don't believe in God, Hell, Satan or Jesus Christ. >> > >> > You're still being judged by God. You don't get a vote. >> >> See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're >> voluntarily kau tau'ing > >Ummm. kowtow Haahaahaa. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-08 20:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5575dfc9$0$23211$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> |
| In reply to | #498624 |
> On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 18:27:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas > <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> > wrote: > > >In article <55747be9$0$23225$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, > > "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: (snip) Piggybacking > >> See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're > >> voluntarily kau tau'ing > > > >Ummm. kowtow Well, well, well! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowtow "Kowtow, which is borrowed from kau tau in Cantonese ...". I try to be original! -- Malte Runz
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-08 16:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-286309.16021608062015@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #498724 |
In article <5575dfc9$0$23211$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: > > On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 18:27:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas > > <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > >In article <55747be9$0$23225$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, > > > "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote: > > (snip) > > Piggybacking > > > >> See why I keep calling you a fascist. You're against democracy, you're > > >> voluntarily kau tau'ing > > > > > >Ummm. kowtow > > Well, well, well! > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowtow > > "Kowtow, which is borrowed from kau tau in Cantonese ...". > > I try to be original! Cool. -- JD Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-05 07:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mkrvrl$1kj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #497591 |
On 6/3/2015 2:31 PM, duke wrote: > > Have you ever asked yourself what you expect to happen when you tell God to "go > to hell"? > >> This is where your diseased mind start to implode. Obviously >> nobody wants to be torured forever in the flames. > > Then you better tell God he's the boss and not you. So god is a spoiled child? I thought he was meant to be our father. Could you imagine torturing your kids if they didn't say that YOU were the boss? I want you to think about that for a minute Duke. Even tho I know you won't. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-05 06:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mks70q04fi@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #497913 |
HVAC wrote: > On 6/3/2015 2:31 PM, duke wrote: >> >> Have you ever asked yourself what you expect to happen when you tell >> God to "go >> to hell"? >> >>> This is where your diseased mind start to implode. Obviously >>> nobody wants to be torured forever in the flames. >> >> Then you better tell God he's the boss and not you. > > Could you imagine torturing your kids if they didn't say that YOU were > the boss? I want you to think about that for a minute Duke. Duke is second only to the Bible as the greatest force for fostering unbelief here on alt.atheism.
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