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What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.

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First post2015-09-26 20:08 -0500
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  What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 20:08 -0500
    Re: What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-27 01:45 +0000
    Re: What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-09-26 21:09 -0500
    Re: What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-27 13:15 -0700
    Re: What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer. "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 14:22 -0700

#523354 — What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-26 20:08 -0500
SubjectWhat's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.
Message-ID<YcydnUMbIaAQ3JrLnZ2dnUU7-R2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.
> http://gizmodo.com/whats-the-best-way-to-tie-your-shoes-physics-may-have-1729896581


> The most common mistake when tying your shoelaces is accidentally
> making a weaker granny knot instead of the stronger square knot. Now,
> physics can help you tie the perfect knot that stays tight no matter
> what.
>
> While it is well-known that any knot’s strength depends on its
> configuration, nobody really understands specifically why this should
> be the case. With a recent paper in Physical Review Letters, a team
> of physicists has taken an important step forward in unraveling this
> mystery, boiling it all down to a single equation that predicts the
> strength and shape of a simple knot.
>
> Knots have long been a focus of study for mathematicians in the
> abstract, but modeling their physical characteristics in the real
> world is notoriously difficult, even with computer simulations. MIT
> mechanical engineering researcher Khalid Jawed explained the problem
> to Gizmodo. “If you tie a knot and study the shape with the naked
> eye, the twists and turns are fairly complicated,” producing a mix of
> interacting forces. Any mathematical model must account for all those
> twists and turns, including such variables as tension, friction, and
> the stiffness of the material — whether it be shoelaces, rope,
> headphone wires, nylon, surgical thread, or even folding proteins and
> DNA.

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#523371

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-09-27 01:45 +0000
Message-ID<mbujdc-bqo.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#523354
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.

It figures that the cut and paste, spamming shit head needs a web
page to tell it how to tie it's shoes.

Most people have this well figured out by age 5.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#523380

Fromgilber34 <fafa@invalid.com>
Date2015-09-26 21:09 -0500
Message-ID<mu7j5h$qo$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#523354
On 9/26/2015 8:08 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.
>> http://gizmodo.com/whats-the-best-way-to-tie-your-shoes-physics-may-have-1729896581
>>
>
>
>> The most common mistake when tying your shoelaces is accidentally
>> making a weaker granny knot instead of the stronger square knot.

that is not a mistake, granny knots allow the shoes to slip off easier,

flush rest of "shoelace physics"

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#523485

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2015-09-27 13:15 -0700
Message-ID<1339877c-267e-40b8-a82b-e42fbd20d620@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#523354
On Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 6:08:34 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.
> > http://gizmodo.com/whats-the-best-way-to-tie-your-shoes-physics-may-have-1729896581
> 
> 
> > The most common mistake when tying your shoelaces is accidentally
> > making a weaker granny knot instead of the stronger square knot. Now,
> > physics can help you tie the perfect knot that stays tight no matter
> > what.
> >
> > While it is well-known that any knot's strength depends on its
> > configuration, nobody really understands specifically why this should
> > be the case. With a recent paper in Physical Review Letters, a team
> > of physicists has taken an important step forward in unraveling this
> > mystery, boiling it all down to a single equation that predicts the
> > strength and shape of a simple knot.
> >
> > Knots have long been a focus of study for mathematicians in the
> > abstract, but modeling their physical characteristics in the real
> > world is notoriously difficult, even with computer simulations. MIT
> > mechanical engineering researcher Khalid Jawed explained the problem
> > to Gizmodo. "If you tie a knot and study the shape with the naked
> > eye, the twists and turns are fairly complicated," producing a mix of
> > interacting forces. Any mathematical model must account for all those
> > twists and turns, including such variables as tension, friction, and
> > the stiffness of the material -- whether it be shoelaces, rope,
> > headphone wires, nylon, surgical thread, or even folding proteins and
> > DNA.


If you tie your shoes with square knots, you might find yourself having to resort to Alexander's solution to the Gordian Knot to get them untied again!

Double-A

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#523644

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-28 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<81785dc0-3e71-433a-a24a-3aa0f28fa4ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#523354
On Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 6:08:34 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> What's the Best Way to Tie Your Shoes? Physics May Have the Answer.
> > http://gizmodo.com/whats-the-best-way-to-tie-your-shoes-physics-may-have-1729896581
> 
> 
> > The most common mistake when tying your shoelaces is accidentally
> > making a weaker granny knot instead of the stronger square knot. Now,
> > physics can help you tie the perfect knot that stays tight no matter
> > what.
> >
> > While it is well-known that any knot's strength depends on its
> > configuration, nobody really understands specifically why this should
> > be the case. With a recent paper in Physical Review Letters, a team
> > of physicists has taken an important step forward in unraveling this
> > mystery, boiling it all down to a single equation that predicts the
> > strength and shape of a simple knot.
> >
> > Knots have long been a focus of study for mathematicians in the
> > abstract, but modeling their physical characteristics in the real
> > world is notoriously difficult, even with computer simulations. MIT
> > mechanical engineering researcher Khalid Jawed explained the problem
> > to Gizmodo. "If you tie a knot and study the shape with the naked
> > eye, the twists and turns are fairly complicated," producing a mix of
> > interacting forces. Any mathematical model must account for all those
> > twists and turns, including such variables as tension, friction, and
> > the stiffness of the material -- whether it be shoelaces, rope,
> > headphone wires, nylon, surgical thread, or even folding proteins and
> > DNA.
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

A knot goes with friction.More friction is good.Two loops make a bow.The Glazirt TWIST comes out with two interlocking loop chain.

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