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  A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 07:45 -0600
    Re: A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel Angelo <patrizio.pan-2002@libero.it> - 2016-01-08 07:11 -0800
    Re: A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel Angelo <patrizio.pan-2002@libero.it> - 2016-01-08 07:21 -0800
      Re: A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-08 15:32 +0000
        Re: A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel Angelo <patrizio.pan-2002@libero.it> - 2016-01-08 09:27 -0800
      Re: A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:19 +0100
    Re: A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-08 20:09 +0000
    Re: A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-01-09 14:30 -0800

#543840 — A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel

A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel
> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-electrocatalyst-carbon-dioxide-liquid-fuel.html


> A team of researchers working at the University of Science and
> Technology of China has developed a new and potentially better
> electrocatalyst for use in converting carbon dioxide into methanoic
> acid, which could be used as a liquid fuel. In their paper published
> in the journal Nature, the team describes their new process and
> suggests that it may provide a path to reducing carbon dioxide
> emissions and thus help to slow global warming.
>
> As the planet continues to warm due in large part to carbon dioxide
> emissions from coal fired power plants, researchers around the world
> are working furiously to find a way to pull out the carbon dioxide
> from emissions before they are allowed to pass into the atmosphere,
> and to use them in some other way—one that is economically feasible.
> Many would like to see the carbon dioxide converted to something
> useful, such as a type of fuel that could be burned and used as a
> clean power source—that would make the process far more financially
> palatable. But thus far, such efforts and have not panned out, due to
> the huge costs involved.

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#543849

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 2:45:21 PM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:
> A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel
> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-electrocatalyst-carbon-dioxide-liquid-fuel.html
> 
> 
> > A team of researchers working at the University of Science and
> > Technology of China has developed a new and potentially better
> > electrocatalyst for use in converting carbon dioxide into methanoic
> > acid, which could be used as a liquid fuel. In their paper published
> > in the journal Nature, the team describes their new process and
> > suggests that it may provide a path to reducing carbon dioxide
> > emissions and thus help to slow global warming.
> >
> > As the planet continues to warm due in large part to carbon dioxide
> > emissions from coal fired power plants, researchers around the world
> > are working furiously to find a way to pull out the carbon dioxide
> > from emissions before they are allowed to pass into the atmosphere,
> > and to use them in some other way--one that is economically feasible.
> > Many would like to see the carbon dioxide converted to something
> > useful, such as a type of fuel that could be burned and used as a
> > clean power source

That fuel

> > --that would make the process far more financially
> > palatable. But thus far, such efforts and have not panned out, due to
> > the huge costs involved.
> 
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#543850

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 2:45:21 PM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:
> A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel
> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-electrocatalyst-carbon-dioxide-liquid-fuel.html
> 
> 
> > A team of researchers working at the University of Science and
> > Technology of China has developed a new and potentially better
> > electrocatalyst for use in converting carbon dioxide into methanoic
> > acid, which could be used as a liquid fuel. 

Something like:

CO2 + H2 --> HCOOH

> > In their paper published
> > in the journal Nature, the team describes their new process and
> > suggests that it may provide a path to reducing carbon dioxide
> > emissions and thus help to slow global warming.
> >
> > As the planet continues to warm due in large part to carbon dioxide
> > emissions from coal fired power plants, researchers around the world
> > are working furiously to find a way to pull out the carbon dioxide
> > from emissions before they are allowed to pass into the atmosphere,
> > and to use them in some other way--one that is economically feasible.
> > Many would like to see the carbon dioxide converted to something
> > useful, such as a type of fuel that could be burned and used as a
> > clean power source

That fuel, when used, would produce CO2: same amount that was subtracted.

HCOOH + 1/2 O2 --> H2O + CO2

Those CO2 haters are really funny

regards
Angelo

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#543853

Angelo <patrizio.pan-2002@libero.it> wrote:
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 2:45:21 PM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel
>> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-electrocatalyst-carbon-dioxide-liquid-fuel.html
>> > A team of researchers working at the University of Science and
>> > Technology of China has developed a new and potentially better
>> > electrocatalyst for use in converting carbon dioxide into methanoic
>> > acid, which could be used as a liquid fuel. 
> Something like:
> CO2 + H2 --> HCOOH
>> > In their paper published
>> > in the journal Nature, the team describes their new process and
>> > suggests that it may provide a path to reducing carbon dioxide
>> > emissions and thus help to slow global warming.
>> > As the planet continues to warm due in large part to carbon dioxide
>> > emissions from coal fired power plants, researchers around the world
>> > are working furiously to find a way to pull out the carbon dioxide
>> > from emissions before they are allowed to pass into the atmosphere,
>> > and to use them in some other way--one that is economically feasible.
>> > Many would like to see the carbon dioxide converted to something
>> > useful, such as a type of fuel that could be burned and used as a
>> > clean power source
> That fuel, when used, would produce CO2: same amount that was subtracted.
> HCOOH + 1/2 O2 --> H2O + CO2

It's better to increase GHG from buried carbon?

> Those CO2 haters are really funny

http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/italy

Ha ha.

> regards
> Angelo


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[400,000 years of carbon dioxide:]
<http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/2015MileMarkers_
400ppm_web_660_372_s_c1_c_c.jpg>

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#543857

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 4:42:29 PM UTC+1, Kym Horsell wrote:
> Angelo <patrizio.pan-2002@libero.it> wrote:
> > On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 2:45:21 PM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel
> >> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-electrocatalyst-carbon-dioxide-liquid-fuel.html
> >> > A team of researchers working at the University of Science and
> >> > Technology of China has developed a new and potentially better
> >> > electrocatalyst for use in converting carbon dioxide into methanoic
> >> > acid, which could be used as a liquid fuel. 
> > Something like:
> > CO2 + H2 --> HCOOH
> >> > In their paper published
> >> > in the journal Nature, the team describes their new process and
> >> > suggests that it may provide a path to reducing carbon dioxide
> >> > emissions and thus help to slow global warming.
> >> > As the planet continues to warm due in large part to carbon dioxide
> >> > emissions from coal fired power plants, researchers around the world
> >> > are working furiously to find a way to pull out the carbon dioxide
> >> > from emissions before they are allowed to pass into the atmosphere,
> >> > and to use them in some other way--one that is economically feasible.
> >> > Many would like to see the carbon dioxide converted to something
> >> > useful, such as a type of fuel that could be burned and used as a
> >> > clean power source
> > That fuel, when used, would produce CO2: same amount that was subtracted.
> > HCOOH + 1/2 O2 --> H2O + CO2
> 
> It's better to increase GHG from buried carbon?

No, but that method is fiction at best.

> > Those CO2 haters are really funny
> 
> http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/italy
> 
> Ha ha.

The gist was like this:
I capture CO2 from air, and this costs work and money, to make a fuel;
then the fuel is burned (what else for a fuel?), and gives CO2 back to the air.

Sincerely I think that all this is quite funny.

They do not store (chemically) CO2 in stones, say making some carbonate.

> --
> [400,000 years of carbon dioxide:]
> <http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/2015MileMarkers_
> 400ppm_web_660_372_s_c1_c_c.jpg>

regards
Angelo

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#543978

Dne 08/01/2016 v 16:21 Angelo napsal(a):

> 
> That fuel, when used, would produce CO2: same amount that was subtracted.
> 
> HCOOH + 1/2 O2 --> H2O + CO2
> 
> Those CO2 haters are really funny
> 
Autonomous CO2 recycling solar powered systems
need not energy inputs, but provide energy,
together with construction and art material
and various cultural values.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#543952

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel
>> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-electrocatalyst-carbon-dioxide-liquid-fuel.html
> 
> 
>> A team of researchers working at the University of Science and
>> Technology of China has developed a new and potentially better
>> electrocatalyst for use in converting carbon dioxide into methanoic
>> acid, which could be used as a liquid fuel. In their paper published
>> in the journal Nature, the team describes their new process and
>> suggests that it may provide a path to reducing carbon dioxide
>> emissions and thus help to slow global warming.
>>
>> As the planet continues to warm due in large part to carbon dioxide
>> emissions from coal fired power plants, researchers around the world
>> are working furiously to find a way to pull out the carbon dioxide
>> from emissions before they are allowed to pass into the atmosphere,
>> and to use them in some other way?one that is economically feasible.
>> Many would like to see the carbon dioxide converted to something
>> useful, such as a type of fuel that could be burned and used as a
>> clean power source?that would make the process far more financially
>> palatable. But thus far, such efforts and have not panned out, due to
>> the huge costs involved.
 

So where is the energy needed to do this supposed to come from?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#544094

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@gmail.com> cut, pasted &wrote
 A better electrocatalyst for converting carbon dioxide into liquid fuel
http://phys.org/news/2016-01-electrocatalyst-carbon-dioxide-liquid-fuel.html
developed a new and potentially (heavy on the Potential,
IOW, it's only an Idea) better electrocatalyst for use in
converting carbon dioxide into methanoic  acid, which
is the SAME as FORMIC ACID, could be used as a
liquid fuel, like: CO2 + H2 --> HCOOH
>> >> >
hanson wrote:
Formic acid, HCOOH, is highly corrosive and has a stinging smell
and is the chemical toxin that causes the pain from the ants' bites.
>
Formic acid is so dangerous it has a OSHA workplace limit of 5 ppm.
Formic acid is TWICE as toxic as is Cyanide, HCN (Zyklon B), which
OSHA limits to 10 ppm. ... Here then is an example of the sick
Green mentality of enviros.... .... ROTFLMAO!
>
HCOOH converts easily into water & CO,  CARBON MONOXIDE, which
is an odorless, tasteless highly toxic gas that is deadly already at 35
ppm which is some 10% of the advertised 350+ ppm CO2 for CC caue.
>
So, develop that Formic acid technology and then, hopefully, all the
Green Shits, all of who suck on the public trough, in one form or another,
will die in their CC hysteria & eco-fanaticism from CO suffocation...
>
Truism:
... there is nothing filthier and more criminal then being an enviro! 

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