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  Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:58 -0400
    Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 16:17 +0000

#570927 — Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon

There is also this:

Chinese Use Space Radiation to Mutate Food Crops.
http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/space-hazards/radiation/chinese-space-radiation-mutate-food-crops/

Six foot cucumbers. Yum!

  Bob Clark



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Some experiments suggest we might be able to grow food on Mars if we add the
organics commonly found in Earth soils:

Scientists just grew vegetables in ‘Martian’ soil — but there’s a catch.
By Rachel Feltman March 9
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/03/09/scientists-just-grew-vegetables-in-martian-soil-but-theres-a-catch/

  But Mars Curiosity, finally, has shown Mars soils do contain organics.
Then we may be able to produce the needed organics from those already there.

   Bob Clark


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Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
launchers, to 'flying cars'.
This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:

Nanotech: from air to space.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
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wrote in message news:nq1etc-hec.ln1@mail.specsol.com...

In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>In sci.physics Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> wrote:
>>> In article <1poatc-pc1.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>> > For your reference, records indicate that
>>>> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> 
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy 
>>>> >> > becomes
>>>> >> > operational:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just 
>>>> >> > $10
>>>> >> > billion.
>>>> >> > What are we waiting for?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> $10 billion without a better purpose?
>>>> >
>>>> > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a
>>>> > better purpose.  A more pointed question would be whether or not that
>>>> > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won?t be more like
>>>> > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen
>>>> >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting.
>>>> >
>>>> > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I
>>>> > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and
>>>> > Mars missions.  But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a
>>>> > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource
>>>> > to have.
>>>>
>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. ....
>>>
>>> Iceland? Greenland? Northern Newfundland?
>>>
>>> Hell, for much of Europe surviving after being dropped nude in the
>>> Winter is not likely.
>>>
>>> If the Pilgrims had landed at Plymouth bare assed in the Winter
>>> they would probably not have survived long.
>>>
>>> You might want to amend your statement about all historical
>>> colonies.
>>>
>>
>>OK, dropped in with nothing more than a heavy winter coat.
>>
>
> Colonies with insufficient support from 'back home' tended to
> disappear.  You talk like all colonization attempts are easily
> successful.  There are enough failed colonies to prove that to be
> bullshit.

I never said anything like that.

However, support from 'back home' wasn't oxygen, food, water, and
repair parts for high tech equipment.

For the most part it was luxury items such as good china before such
manufacturing could be established in the colonies.

In return the colonies, depending on where they were, sent back things
like spices, precious metals, furs, and timber.

There is nothing off the Earth so valuable it would be worth the
shipping cost in fuel to send it back to Earth.

>>No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>>technology to survive.
>>
>
> Bullshit.  Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the
> skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best
> technology available at the time.

And that technology, except for a very few things like muskets, dates
back to at least the 10th Century.

And, BTW, the indigious populations where most colonies where established
were surviving just fine on Stone Age technology long before the Europeans
appeared.

-- 
Jim Pennino



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In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
> There is also this:
> 
> Chinese Use Space Radiation to Mutate Food Crops.
> http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/space-hazards/radiation/chinese-space-radiation-mutate-food-crops/
> 
> Six foot cucumbers. Yum!
> 
>  Bob Clark
 
Given all the hoopla over GMO, I'm sure this would be well received... 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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