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  Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-26 02:22 -0700
    Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 04:53 -0700
      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-10-26 15:19 +0200
      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-10-26 13:48 +0000
      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 09:02 -0500
        Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-27 18:20 -0400
          Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-28 00:07 +0000
            Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-29 17:45 -0400
              Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-29 23:27 +0000
                Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-31 19:13 -0400
                  Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-31 23:26 +0000
                    Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-31 20:32 -0400
                      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-01 05:06 +0000
          Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 17:11 -0500
            Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-31 19:10 -0400
              Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-31 23:29 +0000
                Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-31 20:34 -0400
                  Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-01 05:10 +0000
                    Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-01 18:15 -0400
                      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-01 23:42 +0000
                        Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-02 17:01 -0400
                          Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-02 22:58 +0000
                            Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-03 16:55 -0400
                              Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-03 21:29 +0000
      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-26 09:24 -0500
        Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 07:30 -0700
          Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-26 10:24 -0500
          Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 16:13 -0500
    Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-26 08:05 -0700
      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-27 07:11 -0700
      Re: Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-30 06:58 -0700

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#602528 — Two Falsehoods That Killed Physics

These are the second law of thermodynamics and Einstein's 1905 second (constant-speed-of-light) postulate.

The first falsehood: Misled by the would-be version of the second law of thermodynamics "Entropy always increases" (which has nothing to do with the Kelvin-Planck version if logic is obeyed), scientists believe that violations can only occur at the microscopic level:

http://phys.org/news/2016-10-quantum-violate-law-thermodynamics.html 
 "Dr Lluis Masanes (UCL Physics & Astronomy), said: "The probability of the law being violated is virtually zero for large objects like cups of tea, but for small quantum objects, it can play a significant role."

Actually violations of the second law of thermodynamics at the macroscopic level are easy to demonstrate. In the following two videos one switches the capacitor on and off and the system can repeatedly lift floating weights: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHNwvfXUYb4 
 Rise in Liquid Level Between Plates of a Capacitor 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6KAH1JpdPg 
 Liquid Dielectric Capacitor 

Switching the capacitor on and off involves no work done on the system so the energy for the work done BY the system (if it repeatedly lifts floating weights) can only come from the environmental heat, in violation of the second law of thermodynamics.

The second falsehood: When the initially stationary observer starts moving towards the light source with speed v, the frequency he measures shifts from f=c/λ to f'=(c+v)/λ. This means that either the speed of the light relative to the observer shifts from c to c'=c+v, or the motion of the observer somehow changes the wavelength of the incoming light - from λ to λ'=λc/(c+v). The latter scenario is absurd - the motion of the observer is obviously unable to change the wavelength of the incoming light. Einstein's 1905 constant-speed-of-light postulate is false - the speed of light is different for differently moving observers.

Pentcho Valev

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#602532

I think politics has killed Physics.
When Tesla died,
his ideas were not shared.
The US government came and
confiscated them.

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#602533

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 04:53:02 -0700 (PDT), john
<johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think politics has killed Physics.
>When Tesla died,
>his ideas were not shared.
>The US government came and
>confiscated them.


You made a mistake.
You wrote:

>I think....


Which is clearly wrong.


w.

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#602535

john wrote:
> I think politics has killed Physics.

Can you still keep your feet on the ground?

> When Tesla died,
> his ideas were not shared.
> The US government came and
> confiscated them.


Some day you should drive past Buffalo north towards Canada.
Notice all the high transmission power lines.


/BAH

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#602538

On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
> I think politics has killed Physics.
> When Tesla died,
> his ideas were not shared.
> The US government came and
> confiscated them.
>

For what purpose?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#602735

On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>> When Tesla died,
>> his ideas were not shared.
>> The US government came and
>> confiscated them.
>>
>
> For what purpose?
>
To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them, 
obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about 
inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later 
somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait 
for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?

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#602746

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>> When Tesla died,
>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>> The US government came and
>>> confiscated them.
>>>
>>
>> For what purpose?
>>
> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them, 
> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about 
> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later 
> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait 
> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?

You mean high energy lasers which Tesla knew nothing about?

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#602901

On 10/27/2016 8:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>> The US government came and
>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For what purpose?
>>>
>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>
> You mean high energy lasers which Tesla knew nothing about?

No. I mean high energy particle beams which Tesla knew quite a bit about.

You gummint clowns always try to mislead and debunk Tesla. Next you will 
be saying the government didn't grab his papers (Used alien property 
laws even though Tesla was an American citizen). Tell us more about 
Tesla bird sex.

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#602917

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 10/27/2016 8:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>
>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>
>> You mean high energy lasers which Tesla knew nothing about?
> 
> No. I mean high energy particle beams which Tesla knew quite a bit about.
> 
> You gummint clowns always try to mislead and debunk Tesla. Next you will 
> be saying the government didn't grab his papers (Used alien property 
> laws even though Tesla was an American citizen). Tell us more about 
> Tesla bird sex.

High energy particle beams are a non-starter due to divergence, especially
in air. Particle physics was in it's infancy when Tesla died.

The rest is the usual kook babble.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#603178

On 10/29/2016 7:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 10/27/2016 8:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>
>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>
>>> You mean high energy lasers which Tesla knew nothing about?
>>
>> No. I mean high energy particle beams which Tesla knew quite a bit about.
>>
>> You gummint clowns always try to mislead and debunk Tesla. Next you will
>> be saying the government didn't grab his papers (Used alien property
>> laws even though Tesla was an American citizen). Tell us more about
>> Tesla bird sex.
>
> High energy particle beams are a non-starter due to divergence, especially
> in air. Particle physics was in it's infancy when Tesla died.
>
> The rest is the usual kook babble.
>
>
Ever work on SDI, Chimp? Didn't think so. You know some of those beams 
are used in space. Tesla had the acceleration voltages that your 
establishment science clowns could only dream about. How many patents do 
you have? Let's compare you to Tesla's kook babble.

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#603189

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 10/29/2016 7:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2016 8:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>>
>>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>> You mean high energy lasers which Tesla knew nothing about?
>>>
>>> No. I mean high energy particle beams which Tesla knew quite a bit about.
>>>
>>> You gummint clowns always try to mislead and debunk Tesla. Next you will
>>> be saying the government didn't grab his papers (Used alien property
>>> laws even though Tesla was an American citizen). Tell us more about
>>> Tesla bird sex.
>>
>> High energy particle beams are a non-starter due to divergence, especially
>> in air. Particle physics was in it's infancy when Tesla died.
>>
>> The rest is the usual kook babble.
>>
>>
> Ever work on SDI, Chimp? Didn't think so. You know some of those beams 
> are used in space. Tesla had the acceleration voltages that your 
> establishment science clowns could only dream about. How many patents do 
> you have? Let's compare you to Tesla's kook babble.

SDI had 1 experiment with a neutral particle beam to be used in space.
Everything else was lasers or more or less conventional stuff.

Just more random kook babble, i.e. high voltage alone does not make
a particle accelerator.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#603197

On 10/31/2016 7:26 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 10/29/2016 7:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/27/2016 8:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean high energy lasers which Tesla knew nothing about?
>>>>
>>>> No. I mean high energy particle beams which Tesla knew quite a bit about.
>>>>
>>>> You gummint clowns always try to mislead and debunk Tesla. Next you will
>>>> be saying the government didn't grab his papers (Used alien property
>>>> laws even though Tesla was an American citizen). Tell us more about
>>>> Tesla bird sex.
>>>
>>> High energy particle beams are a non-starter due to divergence, especially
>>> in air. Particle physics was in it's infancy when Tesla died.
>>>
>>> The rest is the usual kook babble.
>>>
>>>
>> Ever work on SDI, Chimp? Didn't think so. You know some of those beams
>> are used in space. Tesla had the acceleration voltages that your
>> establishment science clowns could only dream about. How many patents do
>> you have? Let's compare you to Tesla's kook babble.
>
> SDI had 1 experiment with a neutral particle beam to be used in space.
> Everything else was lasers or more or less conventional stuff.

So you agree that what you call "kook babble" is true science.

> Just more random kook babble, i.e. high voltage alone does not make
> a particle accelerator.

And of course in your senile world you accelerate particles just with 
your imagination. No high voltage needed. Obviously you know too little 
science to know that it takes particles and a high voltage to make a 
particle accelerator. You always have such bluster to cover your 
ignorance. Just who is dumb enough for you to impress them?

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#603227

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 10/31/2016 7:26 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2016 7:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/27/2016 8:07 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean high energy lasers which Tesla knew nothing about?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. I mean high energy particle beams which Tesla knew quite a bit about.
>>>>>
>>>>> You gummint clowns always try to mislead and debunk Tesla. Next you will
>>>>> be saying the government didn't grab his papers (Used alien property
>>>>> laws even though Tesla was an American citizen). Tell us more about
>>>>> Tesla bird sex.
>>>>
>>>> High energy particle beams are a non-starter due to divergence, especially
>>>> in air. Particle physics was in it's infancy when Tesla died.
>>>>
>>>> The rest is the usual kook babble.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ever work on SDI, Chimp? Didn't think so. You know some of those beams
>>> are used in space. Tesla had the acceleration voltages that your
>>> establishment science clowns could only dream about. How many patents do
>>> you have? Let's compare you to Tesla's kook babble.
>>
>> SDI had 1 experiment with a neutral particle beam to be used in space.
>> Everything else was lasers or more or less conventional stuff.
> 
> So you agree that what you call "kook babble" is true science.

There are no "some of those beams are used in space" kook.

>> Just more random kook babble, i.e. high voltage alone does not make
>> a particle accelerator.
> 
> And of course in your senile world you accelerate particles just with 
> your imagination. No high voltage needed. Obviously you know too little 
> science to know that it takes particles and a high voltage to make a 
> particle accelerator. You always have such bluster to cover your 
> ignorance. Just who is dumb enough for you to impress them?

High voltage alone does not make a particle accelerator, kook.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#602912

On 10/27/2016 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>> When Tesla died,
>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>> The US government came and
>>> confiscated them.
>>>
>>
>> For what purpose?
>>
> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,

And why would confiscating them and preventing them from being in public 
view serve this purpose? You think the government can only benefit from 
ideas if they hide them away? Why would the government have to 
CONFISCATE Tesla's ideas? What would they possibly gain?

> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?

Quite possibly. Lasers didn't exist in Tesla's day but they certainly do 
now. You have one in your DVD player.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#603176

On 10/29/2016 6:11 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 10/27/2016 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>> The US government came and
>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For what purpose?
>>>
>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>
> And why would confiscating them and preventing them from being in public
> view serve this purpose? You think the government can only benefit from
> ideas if they hide them away? Why would the government have to
> CONFISCATE Tesla's ideas? What would they possibly gain?

What an absolute IDIOT statement! Why the hell is so many things 
"clasified". Serves no purpose you say. How could government benefit 
form hiding technology from those who would use it against the country. 
And why would the government have to CONFISCATE the papers of Tesla 
which they couldn't get legally? I mean why would they even have an 
interest in the ideas of the guy who was the genius who just about 
invented the 20th century. I mean that makes no sense right?

God you are as senile and ignornat as Bert. Do you live in your van and 
shit in a bucket?

>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>
> Quite possibly. Lasers didn't exist in Tesla's day but they certainly do
> now. You have one in your DVD player.

Who said his "death ray" was a laser? YOu debunkers are always throwing 
chaff into to wind. HAve you ro HVAC ever had an honest discussion in 
your lives?

PS. Have YOU ever worked on classified technology? Were YOU ever been 
employed on SDI developing "death rays"?  You know, there Boinker, a 
death ray takes a bit more brain power than it takes to make wooden toys.

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#603190

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 10/29/2016 6:11 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 10/27/2016 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>
>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>
>> And why would confiscating them and preventing them from being in public
>> view serve this purpose? You think the government can only benefit from
>> ideas if they hide them away? Why would the government have to
>> CONFISCATE Tesla's ideas? What would they possibly gain?
> 
> What an absolute IDIOT statement! Why the hell is so many things 
> "clasified". Serves no purpose you say. How could government benefit 
> form hiding technology from those who would use it against the country. 
> And why would the government have to CONFISCATE the papers of Tesla 
> which they couldn't get legally? I mean why would they even have an 
> interest in the ideas of the guy who was the genius who just about 
> invented the 20th century. I mean that makes no sense right?
> 
> God you are as senile and ignornat as Bert. Do you live in your van and 
> shit in a bucket?
> 
>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>
>> Quite possibly. Lasers didn't exist in Tesla's day but they certainly do
>> now. You have one in your DVD player.
> 
> Who said his "death ray" was a laser? YOu debunkers are always throwing 
> chaff into to wind. HAve you ro HVAC ever had an honest discussion in 
> your lives?
> 
> PS. Have YOU ever worked on classified technology? Were YOU ever been 
> employed on SDI developing "death rays"?  You know, there Boinker, a 
> death ray takes a bit more brain power than it takes to make wooden toys.
 
As SDI was all about destroying or at least disabling unmanned stuff
coming from space, a "death ray" would be useless.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#603198

On 10/31/2016 7:29 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 10/29/2016 6:11 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2016 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>
>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>
>>> And why would confiscating them and preventing them from being in public
>>> view serve this purpose? You think the government can only benefit from
>>> ideas if they hide them away? Why would the government have to
>>> CONFISCATE Tesla's ideas? What would they possibly gain?
>>
>> What an absolute IDIOT statement! Why the hell is so many things
>> "clasified". Serves no purpose you say. How could government benefit
>> form hiding technology from those who would use it against the country.
>> And why would the government have to CONFISCATE the papers of Tesla
>> which they couldn't get legally? I mean why would they even have an
>> interest in the ideas of the guy who was the genius who just about
>> invented the 20th century. I mean that makes no sense right?
>>
>> God you are as senile and ignornat as Bert. Do you live in your van and
>> shit in a bucket?
>>
>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>
>>> Quite possibly. Lasers didn't exist in Tesla's day but they certainly do
>>> now. You have one in your DVD player.
>>
>> Who said his "death ray" was a laser? YOu debunkers are always throwing
>> chaff into to wind. HAve you ro HVAC ever had an honest discussion in
>> your lives?
>>
>> PS. Have YOU ever worked on classified technology? Were YOU ever been
>> employed on SDI developing "death rays"?  You know, there Boinker, a
>> death ray takes a bit more brain power than it takes to make wooden toys.
>
> As SDI was all about destroying or at least disabling unmanned stuff
> coming from space, a "death ray" would be useless.

Depends if you are "killing" people or incoming hardware. You and Odd 
are about as ignorant as they come. You must be an engineer. Go tell 
John about all the aliens you talked to.

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#603228

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 10/31/2016 7:29 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2016 6:11 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 10/27/2016 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>>
>>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>>
>>>> And why would confiscating them and preventing them from being in public
>>>> view serve this purpose? You think the government can only benefit from
>>>> ideas if they hide them away? Why would the government have to
>>>> CONFISCATE Tesla's ideas? What would they possibly gain?
>>>
>>> What an absolute IDIOT statement! Why the hell is so many things
>>> "clasified". Serves no purpose you say. How could government benefit
>>> form hiding technology from those who would use it against the country.
>>> And why would the government have to CONFISCATE the papers of Tesla
>>> which they couldn't get legally? I mean why would they even have an
>>> interest in the ideas of the guy who was the genius who just about
>>> invented the 20th century. I mean that makes no sense right?
>>>
>>> God you are as senile and ignornat as Bert. Do you live in your van and
>>> shit in a bucket?
>>>
>>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>> Quite possibly. Lasers didn't exist in Tesla's day but they certainly do
>>>> now. You have one in your DVD player.
>>>
>>> Who said his "death ray" was a laser? YOu debunkers are always throwing
>>> chaff into to wind. HAve you ro HVAC ever had an honest discussion in
>>> your lives?
>>>
>>> PS. Have YOU ever worked on classified technology? Were YOU ever been
>>> employed on SDI developing "death rays"?  You know, there Boinker, a
>>> death ray takes a bit more brain power than it takes to make wooden toys.
>>
>> As SDI was all about destroying or at least disabling unmanned stuff
>> coming from space, a "death ray" would be useless.
> 
> Depends if you are "killing" people or incoming hardware. You and Odd 
> are about as ignorant as they come. You must be an engineer. Go tell 
> John about all the aliens you talked to.

Was there supposed to be a point to this disjointed babble other than
to demonstrate you are incapable of putting together a coherent paragraph?
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#603356

On 11/1/2016 1:10 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 10/31/2016 7:29 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2016 6:11 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> On 10/27/2016 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>>>
>>>>> And why would confiscating them and preventing them from being in public
>>>>> view serve this purpose? You think the government can only benefit from
>>>>> ideas if they hide them away? Why would the government have to
>>>>> CONFISCATE Tesla's ideas? What would they possibly gain?
>>>>
>>>> What an absolute IDIOT statement! Why the hell is so many things
>>>> "clasified". Serves no purpose you say. How could government benefit
>>>> form hiding technology from those who would use it against the country.
>>>> And why would the government have to CONFISCATE the papers of Tesla
>>>> which they couldn't get legally? I mean why would they even have an
>>>> interest in the ideas of the guy who was the genius who just about
>>>> invented the 20th century. I mean that makes no sense right?
>>>>
>>>> God you are as senile and ignornat as Bert. Do you live in your van and
>>>> shit in a bucket?
>>>>
>>>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite possibly. Lasers didn't exist in Tesla's day but they certainly do
>>>>> now. You have one in your DVD player.
>>>>
>>>> Who said his "death ray" was a laser? YOu debunkers are always throwing
>>>> chaff into to wind. HAve you ro HVAC ever had an honest discussion in
>>>> your lives?
>>>>
>>>> PS. Have YOU ever worked on classified technology? Were YOU ever been
>>>> employed on SDI developing "death rays"?  You know, there Boinker, a
>>>> death ray takes a bit more brain power than it takes to make wooden toys.
>>>
>>> As SDI was all about destroying or at least disabling unmanned stuff
>>> coming from space, a "death ray" would be useless.
>>
>> Depends if you are "killing" people or incoming hardware. You and Odd
>> are about as ignorant as they come. You must be an engineer. Go tell
>> John about all the aliens you talked to.
>
> Was there supposed to be a point to this disjointed babble other than
> to demonstrate you are incapable of putting together a coherent paragraph?

I know (and anyone else familiar with science and the historical facts 
knows what it's about. But you just do your senile Bert act repeating 
journalist tripe and telling everybody you know science.

All you know how to do is just rattle on with nonsense and then justify 
it all by saying everone else is a "kook".

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#603389

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 11/1/2016 1:10 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2016 7:29 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/29/2016 6:11 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/27/2016 5:20 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 10:02 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/26/2016 6:53 AM, john wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think politics has killed Physics.
>>>>>>>>> When Tesla died,
>>>>>>>>> his ideas were not shared.
>>>>>>>>> The US government came and
>>>>>>>>> confiscated them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For what purpose?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To look them over and see if there was anything of interest to them,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And why would confiscating them and preventing them from being in public
>>>>>> view serve this purpose? You think the government can only benefit from
>>>>>> ideas if they hide them away? Why would the government have to
>>>>>> CONFISCATE Tesla's ideas? What would they possibly gain?
>>>>>
>>>>> What an absolute IDIOT statement! Why the hell is so many things
>>>>> "clasified". Serves no purpose you say. How could government benefit
>>>>> form hiding technology from those who would use it against the country.
>>>>> And why would the government have to CONFISCATE the papers of Tesla
>>>>> which they couldn't get legally? I mean why would they even have an
>>>>> interest in the ideas of the guy who was the genius who just about
>>>>> invented the 20th century. I mean that makes no sense right?
>>>>>
>>>>> God you are as senile and ignornat as Bert. Do you live in your van and
>>>>> shit in a bucket?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> obviously, (especially with Tesla jammering in the newspapers about
>>>>>>> inventing a "death ray" to shoot down airplanes). And gosh, years later
>>>>>>> somehow the government has this "star wars" program to develop...wait
>>>>>>> for it... yeah, a "death ray" to shoot down missiles. Coincidence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite possibly. Lasers didn't exist in Tesla's day but they certainly do
>>>>>> now. You have one in your DVD player.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said his "death ray" was a laser? YOu debunkers are always throwing
>>>>> chaff into to wind. HAve you ro HVAC ever had an honest discussion in
>>>>> your lives?
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. Have YOU ever worked on classified technology? Were YOU ever been
>>>>> employed on SDI developing "death rays"?  You know, there Boinker, a
>>>>> death ray takes a bit more brain power than it takes to make wooden toys.
>>>>
>>>> As SDI was all about destroying or at least disabling unmanned stuff
>>>> coming from space, a "death ray" would be useless.
>>>
>>> Depends if you are "killing" people or incoming hardware. You and Odd
>>> are about as ignorant as they come. You must be an engineer. Go tell
>>> John about all the aliens you talked to.
>>
>> Was there supposed to be a point to this disjointed babble other than
>> to demonstrate you are incapable of putting together a coherent paragraph?
> 
> I know (and anyone else familiar with science and the historical facts 
> knows what it's about. But you just do your senile Bert act repeating 
> journalist tripe and telling everybody you know science.

Science and historical facts like Tesla died before lasers were invented?

> All you know how to do is just rattle on with nonsense and then justify 
> it all by saying everone else is a "kook".

Not everyone, you specifically, kook.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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