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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400 |
| Last post | 2016-04-12 18:24 +0000 |
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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-04 12:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 21:25 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:22 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:09 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:42 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-07 15:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 14:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:19 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 18:17 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 00:37 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-10 16:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-11 16:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-12 15:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-05 17:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 15:09 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:57 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:43 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 20:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 23:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 19:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 03:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 22:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 06:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:32 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:45 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 16:12 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 01:10 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 06:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:43 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 22:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 17:11 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 04:30 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 23:31 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 01:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:18 -0700
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-06 22:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <erpbgbtgjjfo6f7simv9h3hkus01qah7i7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #568462 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics benj <none@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/06/2016 02:35 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> For your reference, records indicate that
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>>>>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was referring to *all* projects that surround colonization, especially
>>>>>>>>>> the exploration efforts. Advanced tech that gets developed for any moon
>>>>>>>>>> shot (literal or figurative) tends to benefit everyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a big difference between a colony and a research station.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antarctica has lots of research stations but no colonies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just pointed that out in the message youre replying to. Your claim
>>>>>>>> is that it is irrelevant!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>>>>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are essentially zero natural resources available anywhere else
>>>>>>>>> in the solar system and what few natural resources there are are only
>>>>>>>>> available with complex technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because *you* dont know how to make use of the available resources
>>>>>>>> doesnt mean they dont exist and doesnt mean they have no value. Is
>>>>>>>> it going to be a greater challenge than Earth life living on Earth? Of
>>>>>>>> course. Doesnt mean we can come up with a nice boot-strappy plan to
>>>>>>>> make it work. Bywe of course, I clearly dont mean you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>>>>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may find bauxite or iron ore, but unless it is really close to
>>>>>>> where you set up your colony, you would have no way to transport it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you setup your colony next to some ore deposit, you need a refinary
>>>>>>> and power for it, which could only come from a fair sized reactor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need a lot of raw material and the ability to process it into
>>>>>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
>>>>>>> required to survive and do anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>>>>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but
>>>>>>>>>>> sending people is a waste of resources.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sending people without a *plan* is definitely a waste. I, too, would
>>>>>>>>>> expect to see robots sent to the Moon to build a structure long before
>>>>>>>>>> any human colony would get sent there to live in it. Until that sort
>>>>>>>>>> of thing happens, I can only laugh at the idea of a Moon base by 2022
>>>>>>>>>> for only $10 billion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or in other words, it won't happen until we have Star Trek level technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dont expect the ability to turn Moon rocks into Moon huts is going to
>>>>>>>> be that advanced. It *is* likely farther off that 2022, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jimp, everyone here believes Star Trek technology is real!
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems so as well as Star Trek economics where everything is free.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're posting to 'sci' groups, Chimp. Handwavium and bullshit are
>>>> not the currency here.
>>>>
>>>
>>>So you agree that actually doing all those theoretically possible things
>>>on Mars are far too expensive to actually happen?
>>>
>>
>> So you just make shit up and pretend people have agreed to it? How
>> intellectually dishonest of you!
>>
>
>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling
>to posts you don't agree with?
>
Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources
that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only
get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick.
Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped
around so often.
>
>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it
>would be financed.
>
The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put
together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or
Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you
go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're
right?
The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are
dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully
independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such
colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 06:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <okahtc-d2n.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568472 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling >>to posts you don't agree with? >> > > Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources > that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only > get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick. > Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped > around so often. OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about research stations when the topic is colonies. >> >>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it >>would be financed. >> > > The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put > together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or > Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you > go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're > right? None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they talk about research stations. A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids. > The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are > dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully > independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such > colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too. Nope, most all successful colonies were survivable without outside resupply in a time frame measured in months, i.e. how long it took to erect basic shelter, find water, and get the crops planted. The big driver on cost in getting to Mars is the cost per pound of getting stuff off the Earth, to Mars, and landing it softly on Mars. And to establish a colony, not just a research station, takes so many pounds of stuff just to survive on Mars, it just isn't going to happen ever without astounding new technology. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 12:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <02ddgb9jd4db18frhb01bl9jaa0ntuq58h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #568540 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling
>>>to posts you don't agree with?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources
>> that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only
>> get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick.
>> Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped
>> around so often.
>
>OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about
>research stations when the topic is colonies.
>
And you think there's no relationship? Wow, we need to feed you nitro
and see if we can blow your head loose from being lodged so far up
your ass.
>>>
>>>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it
>>>would be financed.
>>>
>>
>> The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put
>> together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or
>> Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you
>> go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're
>> right?
>
>None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they
>talk about research stations.
>
>A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids.
>
And you think those are totally different things with totally
different needs? Wow, talk about being a maroon!
>> The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are
>> dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully
>> independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such
>> colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too.
>
>Nope, most all successful colonies were survivable without outside resupply
>in a time frame measured in months, i.e. how long it took to erect basic
>shelter, find water, and get the crops planted.
>
You're ignorant about colonies here on Earth so I suppose I shouldn't
be surprised that you're so ignorant about colonies off it.
>
>The big driver on cost in getting to Mars is the cost per pound of getting
>stuff off the Earth, to Mars, and landing it softly on Mars.
>
And that cost is currently around 100 times higher than it needs to
be.
>
>And to establish a colony, not just a research station, takes so many
>pounds of stuff just to survive on Mars, it just isn't going to happen ever
>without astounding new technology.
>
No 'astounding new technology' required unless you're insisting we
have to be able to instantaneously drop Pittsburgh on Mars. We're
already on the road to dropping launch costs by orders of magnitude.
Back to your cave, Chimp...
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 20:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gpsitc-31s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568647 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling >>>>to posts you don't agree with? >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources >>> that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only >>> get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick. >>> Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped >>> around so often. >> >>OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about >>research stations when the topic is colonies. >> > > And you think there's no relationship? Wow, we need to feed you nitro > and see if we can blow your head loose from being lodged so far up > your ass. Fuck off and die, space cadet. >>>> >>>>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it >>>>would be financed. >>>> >>> >>> The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put >>> together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or >>> Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you >>> go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're >>> right? >> >>None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they >>talk about research stations. >> >>A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids. >> > > And you think those are totally different things with totally > different needs? Wow, talk about being a maroon! Yes, a true colony is totally different than a penal colony or a research station. >>> The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are >>> dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully >>> independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such >>> colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too. >> >>Nope, most all successful colonies were survivable without outside resupply >>in a time frame measured in months, i.e. how long it took to erect basic >>shelter, find water, and get the crops planted. >> > > You're ignorant about colonies here on Earth so I suppose I shouldn't > be surprised that you're so ignorant about colonies off it. I see you are in denial, space cadet. Probaly never been camping either. >>The big driver on cost in getting to Mars is the cost per pound of getting >>stuff off the Earth, to Mars, and landing it softly on Mars. >> > > And that cost is currently around 100 times higher than it needs to > be. Wishfull thinking space cadet, the cost is what it is. > >> >>And to establish a colony, not just a research station, takes so many >>pounds of stuff just to survive on Mars, it just isn't going to happen ever >>without astounding new technology. >> > > No 'astounding new technology' required unless you're insisting we > have to be able to instantaneously drop Pittsburgh on Mars. We're > already on the road to dropping launch costs by orders of magnitude. I never said instantaneously, space cadet, that is those voices in your head again. > Back to your cave, Chimp... Back to your well worn Heinlein novel, space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 00:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <89legb976i9468tdtjf4hfojfcpclpr6p4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #568690 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling
>>>>>to posts you don't agree with?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources
>>>> that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only
>>>> get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick.
>>>> Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped
>>>> around so often.
>>>
>>>OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about
>>>research stations when the topic is colonies.
>>>
>>
>> And you think there's no relationship? Wow, we need to feed you nitro
>> and see if we can blow your head loose from being lodged so far up
>> your ass.
>>
>
>Fuck off and die, space cadet.
>
Kiss my ass, mindless parasite.
>>>>>
>>>>>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it
>>>>>would be financed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put
>>>> together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or
>>>> Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you
>>>> go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're
>>>> right?
>>>
>>>None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they
>>>talk about research stations.
>>>
>>>A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids.
>>>
>>
>> And you think those are totally different things with totally
>> different needs? Wow, talk about being a maroon!
>
>Yes, a true colony is totally different than a penal colony or a
>research station.
>
No, a true colony is not totally different than a penal colony or a
research station. Much of what you need is the same stuff. You
apparently think that researchers and prisoners wouldn't require
oxygen, water, living space, power, etc. You're apparently an idiot.
>>>> The big driver on cost for most of them is launch costs and those are
>>>> dropping pretty damned quickly these days. Yes, a large, fully
>>>> independent colony on Mars will take a long time. But then, such
>>>> colonies have always taken a long time here on Earth, too.
>>>
>>>Nope, most all successful colonies were survivable without outside resupply
>>>in a time frame measured in months, i.e. how long it took to erect basic
>>>shelter, find water, and get the crops planted.
>>>
>>
>> You're ignorant about colonies here on Earth so I suppose I shouldn't
>> be surprised that you're so ignorant about colonies off it.
>
>I see you are in denial, space cadet.
>
I see you are still lying, parasite.
>
>Probaly never been camping either.
>
Still engaging in your delusions, I see.
>>>The big driver on cost in getting to Mars is the cost per pound of getting
>>>stuff off the Earth, to Mars, and landing it softly on Mars.
>>>
>>
>> And that cost is currently around 100 times higher than it needs to
>> be.
>
>Wishfull thinking space cadet, the cost is what it is.
>
It's called progress, parasite, the cost of things change all the
time.
>>
>>>
>>>And to establish a colony, not just a research station, takes so many
>>>pounds of stuff just to survive on Mars, it just isn't going to happen ever
>>>without astounding new technology.
>>>
>>
>> No 'astounding new technology' required unless you're insisting we
>> have to be able to instantaneously drop Pittsburgh on Mars. We're
>> already on the road to dropping launch costs by orders of magnitude.
>
>I never said instantaneously, space cadet, that is those voices in
>your head again.
>
Chimp and his "Is there an <X> on Mars"...
>> Back to your cave, Chimp...
>
>Back to your well worn Heinlein novel, space cadet.
.
Yet you're the one denying the facts and making up fiction...
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 18:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <h3altc-hu6.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568829 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling >>>>>>to posts you don't agree with? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources >>>>> that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only >>>>> get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick. >>>>> Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped >>>>> around so often. >>>> >>>>OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about >>>>research stations when the topic is colonies. >>>> >>> >>> And you think there's no relationship? Wow, we need to feed you nitro >>> and see if we can blow your head loose from being lodged so far up >>> your ass. >>> >> >>Fuck off and die, space cadet. >> > > Kiss my ass, mindless parasite. > >>>>>> >>>>>>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it >>>>>>would be financed. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put >>>>> together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or >>>>> Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you >>>>> go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're >>>>> right? >>>> >>>>None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they >>>>talk about research stations. >>>> >>>>A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids. >>>> >>> >>> And you think those are totally different things with totally >>> different needs? Wow, talk about being a maroon! >> >>Yes, a true colony is totally different than a penal colony or a >>research station. >> > > No, a true colony is not totally different than a penal colony or a > research station. Much of what you need is the same stuff. You > apparently think that researchers and prisoners wouldn't require > oxygen, water, living space, power, etc. You're apparently an idiot. Yes, a true colony is totally different. It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire life there, generation after generation. Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: diapers training pants baby wipes diaper pails diaper cream diaper bags potty training seats baby shampoo baby powder jumpers, walkers, strollers baby formula bsby food sippy cups teething rings baby bottles, nipples, and retaining rings clothes and shoes breast pumps nursing bras baby beds baby blankets and sheets crutches wheel chairs hearing aids walkers adult diapers bifocals dentures play grounds and equipment -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 13:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2b4ggb1rpb4ipvdhprag0def991qk3m57a@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569028 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you ever responded with anything other than bile and name calling
>>>>>>>to posts you don't agree with?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I have. For example, I've posted links to research and resources
>>>>>> that explode most of your claims. Do you ever read them? You only
>>>>>> get "bile and name calling" when you act like a lying dishonest dick.
>>>>>> Of course, you do that a lot, so that might be why you get slapped
>>>>>> around so often.
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, so you mix your bile and name calling with off topic links about
>>>>>research stations when the topic is colonies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you think there's no relationship? Wow, we need to feed you nitro
>>>> and see if we can blow your head loose from being lodged so far up
>>>> your ass.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Fuck off and die, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Kiss my ass, mindless parasite.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about YOUR outline to colonize Mars, what it would cost, and how it
>>>>>>>would be financed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The world hardly needs my outline. Several different groups have put
>>>>>> together workable plans. See the Mars Reference Mission from NASA, or
>>>>>> Zubrin's "Mars Direct", or any of a number of others. Why don't you
>>>>>> go through those and explain why all the experts are wrong and you're
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>>None of the things you reference talk about a colony on Mars, they
>>>>>talk about research stations.
>>>>>
>>>>>A colony, other than a penal colony, has families raising kids.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you think those are totally different things with totally
>>>> different needs? Wow, talk about being a maroon!
>>>
>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different than a penal colony or a
>>>research station.
>>>
>>
>> No, a true colony is not totally different than a penal colony or a
>> research station. Much of what you need is the same stuff. You
>> apparently think that researchers and prisoners wouldn't require
>> oxygen, water, living space, power, etc. You're apparently an idiot.
>
>Yes, a true colony is totally different.
>
Bullshit.
>
>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire
>life there, generation after generation.
>
>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs:
>
<snip silly list>
So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had
any of the items on your silly list?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 22:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v9pltc-fb8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569070 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>Yes, a true colony is totally different. >> > > Bullshit. > >> >>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire >>life there, generation after generation. >> >>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: >> > > <snip silly list> You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly? > So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had > any of the items on your silly list? Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in a place that has trees and can grow cotton. Most of those things were made from wood or locally grown and produced cloth. I will admit that until the US was well settled, bifocals were only available to the rich and ear trumpets came mostly from London until the mid 18th Century. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 21:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7v2hgbtlfleb8fi92mle9pa2ck5ovpsf1u@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569100 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different.
>>>
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>>
>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire
>>>life there, generation after generation.
>>>
>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs:
>>>
>>
>> <snip silly list>
>
>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly?
>
I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do
without.
>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had
>> any of the items on your silly list?
>
>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American
>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in
>a place that has trees and can grow cotton.
>
But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 06:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <8fjmtc-mua.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569136 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different. >>>> >>> >>> Bullshit. >>> >>>> >>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire >>>>life there, generation after generation. >>>> >>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: >>>> >>> >>> <snip silly list> >> >>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly? >> > > I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do > without. Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources like trees. >>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had >>> any of the items on your silly list? >> >>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American >>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in >>a place that has trees and can grow cotton. >> > > But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list. Sure they did, just not made of plastic. The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids, which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th Century. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 07:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nt5igbhn000rbs23phn5l7v7t3u4s2jk69@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569196 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire
>>>>>life there, generation after generation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <snip silly list>
>>>
>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly?
>>>
>>
>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do
>> without.
>
>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources
>like trees.
>
Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them.
>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had
>>>> any of the items on your silly list?
>>>
>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American
>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in
>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton.
>>>
>>
>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list.
>
>Sure they did, just not made of plastic.
>
Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING?
>
>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids,
>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th
>Century.
>
So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of
colonization...
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 18:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v7vntc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569217 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire >>>>>>life there, generation after generation. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <snip silly list> >>>> >>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly? >>>> >>> >>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do >>> without. >> >>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources >>like trees. >> > > Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them. No, they did not do without them. They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well dug, and the crops planted. > >>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had >>>>> any of the items on your silly list? >>>> >>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American >>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in >>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton. >>>> >>> >>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list. >> >>Sure they did, just not made of plastic. >> > > Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING? Apparently a lot more than you. Have you ever been to a museum? >> >>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids, >>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th >>Century. >> > > So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of > colonization... The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization. The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the idiginous poplulations. The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565. Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply from Europe. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 13:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ssnigbthk44jqgof52af4pp2qcpleg6rnm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569253 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire
>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip silly list>
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do
>>>> without.
>>>
>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources
>>>like trees.
>>>
>>
>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them.
>
>No, they did not do without them.
>
>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well
>dug, and the crops planted.
>
You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't
do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN
CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century.
>
>>
>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had
>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list?
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American
>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in
>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list.
>>>
>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic.
>>>
>>
>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING?
>
>Apparently a lot more than you.
>
Apparently not.
>
>Have you ever been to a museum?
>
Have you ever looked at the dates on things?
>>>
>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids,
>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th
>>>Century.
>>>
>>
>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of
>> colonization...
>
>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization.
>
>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the
>idiginous poplulations.
>
>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565.
>
So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about
South and Central America?
>
>Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply
>from Europe.
>
Well, DOH!
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 20:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <io6otc-q7g.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569271 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire >>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <snip silly list> >>>>>> >>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do >>>>> without. >>>> >>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources >>>>like trees. >>>> >>> >>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them. >> >>No, they did not do without them. >> >>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well >>dug, and the crops planted. >> > > You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't > do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN > CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century. First, colonization didn't take off until late in the 16th Century and mothers were putting diapers on babies long before that. >>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had >>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list? >>>>>> >>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American >>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in >>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list. >>>> >>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic. >>>> >>> >>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING? >> >>Apparently a lot more than you. >> > > Apparently not. > >> >>Have you ever been to a museum? >> > > Have you ever looked at the dates on things? Diapers go back to antiquity as do most of the things on the list. >>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids, >>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th >>>>Century. >>>> >>> >>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of >>> colonization... >> >>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization. >> >>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the >>idiginous poplulations. >> >>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565. >> > > So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about > South and Central America? What about them? The Southern regions were mostly Spanish who were more interested in plunder than colonization. However 17th century politics has little to do when mothers started putting diapers on babies. >>Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply >>from Europe. >> > > Well, DOH! Did the light just come on? Do you finally realize that you do NOT absolutely need resupply from Europe to survive on the American continents? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 20:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5ufjgbl6p3r9lc1umsomteth3ncc0cskpf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569295 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire
>>>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip silly list>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do
>>>>>> without.
>>>>>
>>>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources
>>>>>like trees.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them.
>>>
>>>No, they did not do without them.
>>>
>>>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well
>>>dug, and the crops planted.
>>>
>>
>> You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't
>> do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN
>> CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century.
>>
>
>First, colonization didn't take off until late in the 16th Century and
>mothers were putting diapers on babies long before that.
>
So much for all that Spanish work with all that ROI you were touting
before. Now it never happened. And those diapers were called
'cloth'. Most colonies didn't make the stuff themselves for a long
time but shipped it in, instead.
>>>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had
>>>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American
>>>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in
>>>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING?
>>>
>>>Apparently a lot more than you.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently not.
>>
>>>
>>>Have you ever been to a museum?
>>>
>>
>> Have you ever looked at the dates on things?
>>
>
>Diapers go back to antiquity as do most of the things on the list.
>
Horseshit. Those 'diapers' were just pieces of cloth or hide. So
colonies need CLOTH. Most colonies didn't produce cloth for a long
time after they were started. It was shipped in, instead.
>>>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids,
>>>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th
>>>>>Century.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of
>>>> colonization...
>>>
>>>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization.
>>>
>>>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the
>>>idiginous poplulations.
>>>
>>>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565.
>>>
>>
>> So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about
>> South and Central America?
>>
>
>What about them?
>
Answer the question, yammerhead. Which continent.
>
>The Southern regions were mostly Spanish who were more interested in
>plunder than colonization.
>
Bullshit. The first thing Columbus did was start a colony (which
failed). Second trip, he tried again. Third trip was prisoners as
colonists. Fourth trip failed entirely.
>
>However 17th century politics has little to do when mothers started
>putting diapers on babies.
>
You mean wrapping cloth around them? Not 'diapers' as diapers at all.
Just pieces of cloth. Which most colonies didn't make.
>
>>>Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply
>>>from Europe.
>>>
>>
>> Well, DOH!
>
>Did the light just come on?
>
Apparently, but I'm sure it's just a flicker and you'll be back in the
dark again.
>
>Do you finally realize that you do NOT absolutely need resupply from
>Europe to survive on the American continents?
>
And the indigenous population on Mars doesn't need it, either. Now,
about those colonists who are the ones we're talking about...
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gdcqtc-6hn.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569349 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire >>>>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <snip silly list> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do >>>>>>> without. >>>>>> >>>>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources >>>>>>like trees. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them. >>>> >>>>No, they did not do without them. >>>> >>>>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well >>>>dug, and the crops planted. >>>> >>> >>> You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't >>> do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN >>> CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century. >>> >> >>First, colonization didn't take off until late in the 16th Century and >>mothers were putting diapers on babies long before that. >> > > So much for all that Spanish work with all that ROI you were touting > before. Now it never happened. And those diapers were called > 'cloth'. Most colonies didn't make the stuff themselves for a long > time but shipped it in, instead. In the early years the Spanish were busy with looting and plundering as I said before. There were a lot of spinning wheels and looms in the colonies. Vist a museum. What was imported was the high end stuff like linen and silk. >>>>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had >>>>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American >>>>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in >>>>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING? >>>> >>>>Apparently a lot more than you. >>>> >>> >>> Apparently not. >>> >>>> >>>>Have you ever been to a museum? >>>> >>> >>> Have you ever looked at the dates on things? >>> >> >>Diapers go back to antiquity as do most of the things on the list. >> > > Horseshit. Those 'diapers' were just pieces of cloth or hide. So > colonies need CLOTH. Most colonies didn't produce cloth for a long > time after they were started. It was shipped in, instead. Gee a light just went on. Spinning wheels and looms were common items in the colonial period, as can be seen in most museums. What was shipped in was the high end stuff like linen and silk. > >>>>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids, >>>>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th >>>>>>Century. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of >>>>> colonization... >>>> >>>>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization. >>>> >>>>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the >>>>idiginous poplulations. >>>> >>>>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565. >>>> >>> >>> So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about >>> South and Central America? >>> >> >>What about them? >> > > Answer the question, yammerhead. Which continent. > >> >>The Southern regions were mostly Spanish who were more interested in >>plunder than colonization. >> > > Bullshit. The first thing Columbus did was start a colony (which > failed). Second trip, he tried again. Third trip was prisoners as > colonists. Fourth trip failed entirely. Spain, fool, Spain. Looting and plundering. 1501 The encomienda system begins making Indians slaves 1519 Magellan Circumnavigates Globe 1519 Cortes Captures Tenochtitlan 1519 Cortes Conquers Aztecs 1520 Night of Tears, Tenochtitlan fights back 1532 Pizarro Invades Peru 1540 Coronado searches for the Seven Lost Cities of Gold 1545 Silver Discovered in Bolivia > >> >>However 17th century politics has little to do when mothers started >>putting diapers on babies. >> > > You mean wrapping cloth around them? Not 'diapers' as diapers at all. > Just pieces of cloth. Which most colonies didn't make. Yes cloth locally produced on spinning wheels and looms as can be seen in museums. Most of what was imported was high end stuff like linen and silk. >> >>>>Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply >>>>from Europe. >>>> >>> >>> Well, DOH! >> >>Did the light just come on? >> > > Apparently, but I'm sure it's just a flicker and you'll be back in the > dark again. > >> >>Do you finally realize that you do NOT absolutely need resupply from >>Europe to survive on the American continents? >> > > And the indigenous population on Mars doesn't need it, either. Now, > about those colonists who are the ones we're talking about... -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sfllgb131igmg3al1m48690jg61up05bl1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569466 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire
>>>>>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <snip silly list>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do
>>>>>>>> without.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources
>>>>>>>like trees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, they did not do without them.
>>>>>
>>>>>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well
>>>>>dug, and the crops planted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't
>>>> do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN
>>>> CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century.
>>>>
>>>
>>>First, colonization didn't take off until late in the 16th Century and
>>>mothers were putting diapers on babies long before that.
>>>
>>
>> So much for all that Spanish work with all that ROI you were touting
>> before. Now it never happened. And those diapers were called
>> 'cloth'. Most colonies didn't make the stuff themselves for a long
>> time but shipped it in, instead.
>
>In the early years the Spanish were busy with looting and plundering
>as I said before.
>
We've all learned by now that you saying things doesn't make them so.
You saying them multiple times seems to make them even less likely to
be so.
>
>There were a lot of spinning wheels and looms in the colonies. Vist
>a museum.
>
Lots of imported parts. Visit a lavatory.
>
>What was imported was the high end stuff like linen and silk.
>
Go read up on colonial trade and mercantilism. A lot of it is written
for grade school kids, so it shouldn't be too far beyond you. It will
teach you that your preceding statement is simply wrong. In point of
fact, it was frequently illegal to buy 'locally produced' things even
if they COULD be locally produced. This is how the folks in Britain
running the colonial effort got their ROI.
http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/market_to_market/pages/mercantilism_imports_and_e.htm
>>>>>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had
>>>>>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American
>>>>>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in
>>>>>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING?
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently a lot more than you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently not.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you ever been to a museum?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever looked at the dates on things?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Diapers go back to antiquity as do most of the things on the list.
>>>
>>
>> Horseshit. Those 'diapers' were just pieces of cloth or hide. So
>> colonies need CLOTH. Most colonies didn't produce cloth for a long
>> time after they were started. It was shipped in, instead.
>>
>
>Gee a light just went on.
>
You'll flicker back out almost immediately, if history is any guide.
>
>Spinning wheels and looms were common items in the colonial period, as
>can be seen in most museums.
>
>What was shipped in was the high end stuff like linen and silk.
>
Bullshit.
>
>>
>>>>>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids,
>>>>>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th
>>>>>>>Century.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of
>>>>>> colonization...
>>>>>
>>>>>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization.
>>>>>
>>>>>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the
>>>>>idiginous poplulations.
>>>>>
>>>>>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about
>>>> South and Central America?
>>>>
>>>
>>>What about them?
>>>
>>
>> Answer the question, yammerhead. Which continent.
>>
>>>
>>>The Southern regions were mostly Spanish who were more interested in
>>>plunder than colonization.
>>>
>>
>> Bullshit. The first thing Columbus did was start a colony (which
>> failed). Second trip, he tried again. Third trip was prisoners as
>> colonists. Fourth trip failed entirely.
>
>Spain, fool, Spain. Looting and plundering.
>
Columbus, Spain, colonies, chimp, see above.
>
>>
>>>
>>>However 17th century politics has little to do when mothers started
>>>putting diapers on babies.
>>>
>>
>> You mean wrapping cloth around them? Not 'diapers' as diapers at all.
>> Just pieces of cloth. Which most colonies didn't make.
>
>Yes cloth locally produced on spinning wheels and looms as can be seen
>in museums.
>
>Most of what was imported was high end stuff like linen and silk.
>
The more you repeat it the more obvious it is it's bullshit.
Cotton, flannel, jersey fabric. All imported from Britain.
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/colonies1720.htm
>>>
>>>>>Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply
>>>>>from Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, DOH!
>>>
>>>Did the light just come on?
>>>
>>
>> Apparently, but I'm sure it's just a flicker and you'll be back in the
>> dark again.
>>
>>>
>>>Do you finally realize that you do NOT absolutely need resupply from
>>>Europe to survive on the American continents?
>>>
>>
>> And the indigenous population on Mars doesn't need it, either. Now,
>> about those colonists who are the ones we're talking about...
>
>
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| Date | 2016-04-11 01:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <a4artc-9iq.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569558 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire >>>>>>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <snip silly list> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do >>>>>>>>> without. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources >>>>>>>>like trees. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them. >>>>>> >>>>>>No, they did not do without them. >>>>>> >>>>>>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well >>>>>>dug, and the crops planted. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't >>>>> do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN >>>>> CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century. >>>>> >>>> >>>>First, colonization didn't take off until late in the 16th Century and >>>>mothers were putting diapers on babies long before that. >>>> >>> >>> So much for all that Spanish work with all that ROI you were touting >>> before. Now it never happened. And those diapers were called >>> 'cloth'. Most colonies didn't make the stuff themselves for a long >>> time but shipped it in, instead. >> >>In the early years the Spanish were busy with looting and plundering >>as I said before. >> > > We've all learned by now that you saying things doesn't make them so. > You saying them multiple times seems to make them even less likely to > be so. You have learned nothing. >> >>There were a lot of spinning wheels and looms in the colonies. Vist >>a museum. >> > > Lots of imported parts. Visit a lavatory. There were made of wood, space cadet fool. >>What was imported was the high end stuff like linen and silk. >> > > Go read up on colonial trade and mercantilism. A lot of it is written > for grade school kids, so it shouldn't be too far beyond you. It will > teach you that your preceding statement is simply wrong. In point of > fact, it was frequently illegal to buy 'locally produced' things even > if they COULD be locally produced. This is how the folks in Britain > running the colonial effort got their ROI. > > http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/market_to_market/pages/mercantilism_imports_and_e.htm So English law applied to all colonies in North and South America, space cadet fool? >>>>>>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had >>>>>>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American >>>>>>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in >>>>>>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING? >>>>>> >>>>>>Apparently a lot more than you. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apparently not. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Have you ever been to a museum? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have you ever looked at the dates on things? >>>>> >>>> >>>>Diapers go back to antiquity as do most of the things on the list. >>>> >>> >>> Horseshit. Those 'diapers' were just pieces of cloth or hide. So >>> colonies need CLOTH. Most colonies didn't produce cloth for a long >>> time after they were started. It was shipped in, instead. >>> >> >>Gee a light just went on. >> > > You'll flicker back out almost immediately, if history is any guide. Yeah, I agree you aren't too bright. >> >>Spinning wheels and looms were common items in the colonial period, as >>can be seen in most museums. >> >>What was shipped in was the high end stuff like linen and silk. >> > > Bullshit. What an amazinhly complete review of facts and analysis, space cadet fool. So no factual response, space cadet? >>> >>>>>>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids, >>>>>>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th >>>>>>>>Century. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of >>>>>>> colonization... >>>>>> >>>>>>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization. >>>>>> >>>>>>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the >>>>>>idiginous poplulations. >>>>>> >>>>>>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about >>>>> South and Central America? >>>>> >>>> >>>>What about them? >>>> >>> >>> Answer the question, yammerhead. Which continent. >>> >>>> >>>>The Southern regions were mostly Spanish who were more interested in >>>>plunder than colonization. >>>> >>> >>> Bullshit. The first thing Columbus did was start a colony (which >>> failed). Second trip, he tried again. Third trip was prisoners as >>> colonists. Fourth trip failed entirely. >> >>Spain, fool, Spain. Looting and plundering. >> > > Columbus, Spain, colonies, chimp, see above. Columbus did not by any stretch of the imagination represent all Spain did, space cadet fool. >>>> >>>>However 17th century politics has little to do when mothers started >>>>putting diapers on babies. >>>> >>> >>> You mean wrapping cloth around them? Not 'diapers' as diapers at all. >>> Just pieces of cloth. Which most colonies didn't make. >> >>Yes cloth locally produced on spinning wheels and looms as can be seen >>in museums. >> >>Most of what was imported was high end stuff like linen and silk. >> > > The more you repeat it the more obvious it is it's bullshit. The more you ignore it the more obvious your position is hopeless, space cadet fool. > Cotton, flannel, jersey fabric. All imported from Britain. So what were the women doing with all those spinning wheels and looms, space cadet fool? > http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/colonies1720.htm > >>>> >>>>>>Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply >>>>>>from Europe. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, DOH! >>>> >>>>Did the light just come on? >>>> >>> >>> Apparently, but I'm sure it's just a flicker and you'll be back in the >>> dark again. >>> >>>> >>>>Do you finally realize that you do NOT absolutely need resupply from >>>>Europe to survive on the American continents? >>>> >>> >>> And the indigenous population on Mars doesn't need it, either. Now, >>> about those colonists who are the ones we're talking about... >> >> > -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 20:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dl5mgb97b9q5jvohj787be2ldmgauiugf9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569584 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip silly list>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do
>>>>>>>>>> without.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources
>>>>>>>>>like trees.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, they did not do without them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well
>>>>>>>dug, and the crops planted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't
>>>>>> do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN
>>>>>> CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>First, colonization didn't take off until late in the 16th Century and
>>>>>mothers were putting diapers on babies long before that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So much for all that Spanish work with all that ROI you were touting
>>>> before. Now it never happened. And those diapers were called
>>>> 'cloth'. Most colonies didn't make the stuff themselves for a long
>>>> time but shipped it in, instead.
>>>
>>>In the early years the Spanish were busy with looting and plundering
>>>as I said before.
>>>
>>
>> We've all learned by now that you saying things doesn't make them so.
>> You saying them multiple times seems to make them even less likely to
>> be so.
>
>You have learned nothing.
>
I've learned you're a lying obstructionist twat and that seems to
cover the subject of Jimp the Chimp.
>>>
>>>There were a lot of spinning wheels and looms in the colonies. Vist
>>>a museum.
>>>
>>
>> Lots of imported parts. Visit a lavatory.
>
>There were made of wood, space cadet fool.
>
There were a whole complex supply chain, chimpshit.
>>>What was imported was the high end stuff like linen and silk.
>>>
>>
>> Go read up on colonial trade and mercantilism. A lot of it is written
>> for grade school kids, so it shouldn't be too far beyond you. It will
>> teach you that your preceding statement is simply wrong. In point of
>> fact, it was frequently illegal to buy 'locally produced' things even
>> if they COULD be locally produced. This is how the folks in Britain
>> running the colonial effort got their ROI.
>>
>> http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/market_to_market/pages/mercantilism_imports_and_e.htm
>
>So English law applied to all colonies in North and South America, space
>cadet fool?
>
Certainly to practically every successful colony in North America.
Before you wanted to discount South America as 'not counting'. NOW
you want to dredge it up?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had
>>>>>>>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American
>>>>>>>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in
>>>>>>>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apparently a lot more than you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you ever been to a museum?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you ever looked at the dates on things?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Diapers go back to antiquity as do most of the things on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Horseshit. Those 'diapers' were just pieces of cloth or hide. So
>>>> colonies need CLOTH. Most colonies didn't produce cloth for a long
>>>> time after they were started. It was shipped in, instead.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Gee a light just went on.
>>>
>>
>> You'll flicker back out almost immediately, if history is any guide.
>>
>
>Yeah, I agree you aren't too bright.
>
Coming from someone who is usually completely dark, I consider that a
compliment.
>>>
>>>Spinning wheels and looms were common items in the colonial period, as
>>>can be seen in most museums.
>>>
>>>What was shipped in was the high end stuff like linen and silk.
>>>
>>
>> Bullshit.
>
>What an amazinhly complete review of facts and analysis, space cadet fool.
>
Why bother when presenting facts and analysis to you provides you with
no illumination at all?
>
>So no factual response, space cadet?
>
Already given elsewhere, dipshit. Even clothing for all the slaves
was imported and not locally produced.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids,
>>>>>>>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th
>>>>>>>>>Century.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of
>>>>>>>> colonization...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the
>>>>>>>idiginous poplulations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about
>>>>>> South and Central America?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What about them?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Answer the question, yammerhead. Which continent.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Southern regions were mostly Spanish who were more interested in
>>>>>plunder than colonization.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. The first thing Columbus did was start a colony (which
>>>> failed). Second trip, he tried again. Third trip was prisoners as
>>>> colonists. Fourth trip failed entirely.
>>>
>>>Spain, fool, Spain. Looting and plundering.
>>>
>>
>> Columbus, Spain, colonies, chimp, see above.
>
>Columbus did not by any stretch of the imagination represent all Spain
>did, space cadet fool.
>
So examples don't count, either, chimpshit?
>
>>>>>
>>>>>However 17th century politics has little to do when mothers started
>>>>>putting diapers on babies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You mean wrapping cloth around them? Not 'diapers' as diapers at all.
>>>> Just pieces of cloth. Which most colonies didn't make.
>>>
>>>Yes cloth locally produced on spinning wheels and looms as can be seen
>>>in museums.
>>>
>>>Most of what was imported was high end stuff like linen and silk.
>>>
>>
>> The more you repeat it the more obvious it is it's bullshit.
>
>The more you ignore it the more obvious your position is hopeless, space
>cadet fool.
>
Who's ignoring it? You're a liar and it's wrong.
>
>> Cotton, flannel, jersey fabric. All imported from Britain.
>
>So what were the women doing with all those spinning wheels and looms,
>space cadet fool?
>
Not all that much, apparently. Read the cite, chimpshit.
>> http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/colonies1720.htm
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note that the idiginous poplulations were able to survive without resupply
>>>>>>>from Europe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, DOH!
>>>>>
>>>>>Did the light just come on?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, but I'm sure it's just a flicker and you'll be back in the
>>>> dark again.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you finally realize that you do NOT absolutely need resupply from
>>>>>Europe to survive on the American continents?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And the indigenous population on Mars doesn't need it, either. Now,
>>>> about those colonists who are the ones we're talking about...
>>>
>>>
>>
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 06:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <0mrrtc-q9s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, a true colony is totally different. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>It has families and kids and people growing old and living their entire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>life there, generation after generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here is a very small list of things a real colony needs: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip silly list> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>You mean all the silly things needed for babies and the elderly? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I mean all the shit that every other colony on Earth has managed to do >>>>>>>>>>> without. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Except they didn't do without them, they made them from local resources >>>>>>>>>>like trees. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Except they didn't, now did they? They simply did without them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No, they did not do without them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>They started making those things after the shelter was built, the well >>>>>>>>dug, and the crops planted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You really don't know shit about any of this, do you? No, they didn't >>>>>>> do that at all. Most of the things on your list are MODERN >>>>>>> CONVENIENCES that people simply did without in the 15th Century. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>First, colonization didn't take off until late in the 16th Century and >>>>>>mothers were putting diapers on babies long before that. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So much for all that Spanish work with all that ROI you were touting >>>>> before. Now it never happened. And those diapers were called >>>>> 'cloth'. Most colonies didn't make the stuff themselves for a long >>>>> time but shipped it in, instead. >>>> >>>>In the early years the Spanish were busy with looting and plundering >>>>as I said before. >>>> >>> >>> We've all learned by now that you saying things doesn't make them so. >>> You saying them multiple times seems to make them even less likely to >>> be so. >> >>You have learned nothing. >> > > I've learned you're a lying obstructionist twat and that seems to > cover the subject of Jimp the Chimp. And I've learned you are a starry eyed, delusional space cadet with no respect for anyone with a viewpoint that conflicts with your beliefs. >>>> >>>>There were a lot of spinning wheels and looms in the colonies. Vist >>>>a museum. >>>> >>> >>> Lots of imported parts. Visit a lavatory. >> >>There were made of wood, space cadet fool. >> > > There were a whole complex supply chain, chimpshit. Not for the subject at hand, spittle dribbling space cadet. >>>>What was imported was the high end stuff like linen and silk. >>>> >>> >>> Go read up on colonial trade and mercantilism. A lot of it is written >>> for grade school kids, so it shouldn't be too far beyond you. It will >>> teach you that your preceding statement is simply wrong. In point of >>> fact, it was frequently illegal to buy 'locally produced' things even >>> if they COULD be locally produced. This is how the folks in Britain >>> running the colonial effort got their ROI. >>> >>> http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/market_to_market/pages/mercantilism_imports_and_e.htm >> >>So English law applied to all colonies in North and South America, space >>cadet fool? >> > > Certainly to practically every successful colony in North America. > Before you wanted to discount South America as 'not counting'. NOW > you want to dredge it up? Right, try to change the subject when backed into a corner, space cadet. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So we've never colonized anywhere on Earth, since no colony ever had >>>>>>>>>>>>> any of the items on your silly list? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sure they did, all the way back to the first settlers on the American >>>>>>>>>>>>continent. All of them can be made with 17th Century technology in >>>>>>>>>>>>a place that has trees and can grow cotton. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But they didn't have any of the shite on your silly list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sure they did, just not made of plastic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or made at all. Do you know ANYTHING? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Apparently a lot more than you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Have you ever been to a museum? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you ever looked at the dates on things? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Diapers go back to antiquity as do most of the things on the list. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Horseshit. Those 'diapers' were just pieces of cloth or hide. So >>>>> colonies need CLOTH. Most colonies didn't produce cloth for a long >>>>> time after they were started. It was shipped in, instead. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Gee a light just went on. >>>> >>> >>> You'll flicker back out almost immediately, if history is any guide. >>> >> >>Yeah, I agree you aren't too bright. >> > > Coming from someone who is usually completely dark, I consider that a > compliment. Not enought spittle on the last insult; try again space cadet. > >>>> >>>>Spinning wheels and looms were common items in the colonial period, as >>>>can be seen in most museums. >>>> >>>>What was shipped in was the high end stuff like linen and silk. >>>> >>> >>> Bullshit. >> >>What an amazinhly complete review of facts and analysis, space cadet fool. >> > > Why bother when presenting facts and analysis to you provides you with > no illumination at all? Were you taught these evasion tactics at Space Cadet Academy? >> >>So no factual response, space cadet? >> > > Already given elsewhere, dipshit. Even clothing for all the slaves > was imported and not locally produced. The slaves that had to make that stuff would take issue with that, space cadet. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>The most technologically advanced item on the list waa hearing aids, >>>>>>>>>>which in colonial times was the ear trumpet, invented in the 17th >>>>>>>>>>Century. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So it was invented a couple of centuries AFTER a lot of >>>>>>>>> colonization... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The 17th Century was the 1600's, i.e. very early in colonization. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The 16th Century was mostly exploration, mapping, and plundering the >>>>>>>>idiginous poplulations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The first permanent European colony in North America wasn't until 1565. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So what continent do you consider the Caribbean to be in? How about >>>>>>> South and Central America? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What about them? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Answer the question, yammerhead. Which continent. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The Southern regions were mostly Spanish who were more interested in >>>>>>plunder than colonization. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit. The first thing Columbus did was start a colony (which >>>>> failed). Second trip, he tried again. Third trip was prisoners as >>>>> colonists. Fourth trip failed entirely. >>>> >>>>Spain, fool, Spain. Looting and plundering. >>>> >>> >>> Columbus, Spain, colonies, chimp, see above. >> >>Columbus did not by any stretch of the imagination represent all Spain >>did, space cadet fool. >> > > So examples don't count, either, chimpshit? Valid ones due in a total context, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>>>However 17th century politics has little to do when mothers started >>>>>>putting diapers on babies. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You mean wrapping cloth around them? Not 'diapers' as diapers at all. >>>>> Just pieces of cloth. Which most colonies didn't make. >>>> >>>>Yes cloth locally produced on spinning wheels and looms as can be seen >>>>in museums. >>>> >>>>Most of what was imported was high end stuff like linen and silk. >>>> >>> >>> The more you repeat it the more obvious it is it's bullshit. >> >>The more you ignore it the more obvious your position is hopeless, space >>cadet fool. >> > > Who's ignoring it? You're a liar and it's wrong. Fuck off and die, space cadet. >>> Cotton, flannel, jersey fabric. All imported from Britain. >> >>So what were the women doing with all those spinning wheels and looms, >>space cadet fool? >> > > Not all that much, apparently. Read the cite, chimpshit. So the spinning wheels and looms were what, hat racks for importe hats, space cadet? -- Jim Pennino
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