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  Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-24 14:01 +0200
    Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-02-24 07:11 -0800
    Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2019-02-24 12:44 -0800
    Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Just Wondering <JW@no.com> - 2019-02-24 16:06 -0700
      Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-02-24 16:37 -0700
        Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Just Wondering <JW@no.com> - 2019-02-25 01:45 -0700
          Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-02-25 13:46 +0000
          Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-26 05:02 +0200
            Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-26 09:51 -0500
    Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2019-02-24 15:50 -0800
    Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2019-02-25 12:23 +0000
    Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-02-27 06:39 -0800
      Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2019-02-27 17:26 +0000
        Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-27 10:29 -0800
          Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-27 18:10 -0500
        Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-27 12:58 -0600
      Re: Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-27 17:47 -0500

#728936 — Are we on the road to civilisation collapse?

Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.

When climatic stability changes, the results can be disastrous, 
resulting in crop failure, starvation and desertification. The collapse 
of the Anasazi, the Tiwanaku civilisation, the Akkadians, the Mayan, the 
Roman Empire, and many others have all coincided with abrupt climatic 
changes, usually droughts:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190218-are-we-on-the-road-to-civilisation-collapse

-- 
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here."                                                     ~Checkmate

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#728944

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:01:14 +0200, kensi
<kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
>we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. 

You mean climate change "expert."

Oh wait, he's not that either.

lol

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#728968

Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by 
Checkmate!  In article <q4u12a$m51$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...


¤ 
¤ Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
¤ we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
¤ worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
¤ 
¤ When climatic stability changes, the results can be disastrous, 
¤ resulting in crop failure, starvation and desertification. The collapse 
¤ of the Anasazi, the Tiwanaku civilisation, the Akkadians, the Mayan, the 
¤ Roman Empire, and many others have all coincided with abrupt climatic 
¤ changes, usually droughts:
¤ 
¤ http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2019028-are-we-on-the-road-to-
civilization-collapse

Actually, the climate has remained remarkably stable for quite some time, 
if you look at the whole picture, but that doesn't suit your agenda.  Why 
do you continue to beat this dead horse, when you could be focusing your 
efforts on something that's actually meaningful and constructive?

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#728995

On 2/24/2019 5:01 AM, kensi wrote:

> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.

Climate change is causing the collapse of civilization?
Children, can you spell "fear mongering"?

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#729003

On 2/24/19 4:06 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 2/24/2019 5:01 AM, kensi wrote:
> 
>> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much 
>> risk we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the 
>> signs are worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
> 
> Climate change is causing the collapse of civilization?
> Children, can you spell "fear mongering"?

If you want to know the facts: No scientific body of national or 
international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of 
these conclusions:

• "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, 
many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia".

• "Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous 
oxide have increased to levels unprecedented in at least the last 
800,000 years".

• Human influence on the climate system is clear. It is extremely likely 
(95-100% probability) that human influence was the dominant cause of 
global warming between 1951-2010.

• "Increasing magnitudes of [global] warming increase the likelihood of 
severe, pervasive, and irreversible impacts"

• "A first step towards adaptation to future climate change is reducing 
vulnerability and exposure to present climate variability"

• "The overall risks of climate change impacts can be reduced by 
limiting the rate and magnitude of climate change"

• Without new policies to mitigate climate change, projections suggest 
an increase in global mean temperature in 2100 of 3.7 to 4.8 °C, 
relative to pre-industrial levels (median values; the range is 2.5 to 
7.8 °C including climate uncertainty).

• The current trajectory of global greenhouse gas emissions is not 
consistent with limiting global warming to below 1.5 or 2 °C, relative 
to pre-industrial levels. Pledges made as part of the Cancún Agreements 
are broadly consistent with cost-effective scenarios that give a 
"likely" chance (66-100% probability) of limiting global warming (in 
2100) to below 3 °C, relative to pre-industrial levels.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#729076

On 2/24/2019 4:37 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 2/24/19 4:06 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 2/24/2019 5:01 AM, kensi wrote:
>>
>>> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much 
>>> risk we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the 
>>> signs are worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
>>
>> Climate change is causing the collapse of civilization?
>> Children, can you spell "fear mongering"?
> 
> If you want to know the facts: No scientific body of national or 
> international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from 
> any of these conclusions:

Don't change the goalposts.  The issue is Kemp's claim that
climate change is a leading risk factor in the collapse of
civilization itself.  No reputable scientific body agrees
with that bullshit.  To the contrary, the so-called solutions
proposed by GW extremists, if fully implemented, would send
civilization back to the stone age.

Meanwhile:

"Climate change has done more good than harm so far and is
likely to continue doing so for most of this century. This
is not some barmy, right-wing fantasy; it is the consensus
of expert opinion."
https://www.epaabuse.com/14485/news/climate-change-good-world/

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#729088

Just Wondering <JW@no.com> wrote:
> On 2/24/2019 4:37 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 2/24/19 4:06 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 2/24/2019 5:01 AM, kensi wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much 
>>>> risk we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the 
>>>> signs are worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
>>> 
>>> Climate change is causing the collapse of civilization?
>>> Children, can you spell "fear mongering"?
>> 
>> If you want to know the facts: No scientific body of national or 
>> international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from 
>> any of these conclusions:

Notice how Just Wondering snips the facts and says his topic is something
other than the facts. 

Sure. His topic is denial of the facts so he can try to justify his lack of
ideas for solutions. 

And he lies about the solutions others offer as a part of his game. Not
biting. He wants the topic to be his lies. I want the topic to be facts. 



> 
> Don't change the goalposts.  The issue is Kemp's claim that
> climate change is a leading risk factor in the collapse of
> civilization itself.  No reputable scientific body agrees
> with that bullshit.  To the contrary, the so-called solutions
> proposed by GW extremists, if fully implemented, would send
> civilization back to the stone age.
> 
> Meanwhile:
> 
> "Climate change has done more good than harm so far and is
> likely to continue doing so for most of this century. This
> is not some barmy, right-wing fantasy; it is the consensus
> of expert opinion."
> https://www.epaabuse.com/14485/news/climate-change-good-world/
> 
> 

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#729182

On 2/25/2019 3:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
> Don't change the goalposts.  The issue is Kemp's claim that
> climate change is a leading risk factor in the collapse of
> civilization itself.

Who is "Kemp", k0oky? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

> Meanwhile:
> 
> "Climate change has done more good than harm so far and is
> likely to continue doing so for most of this century. This
> is not some barmy, right-wing fantasy; it is the consensus
> of expert opinion."
> https://www.epaabuse.com/14485/news/climate-change-good-world/

Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment 
far outweigh any positives:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives.htm

Try again?

-- 
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here."                                                     ~Checkmate

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#729230

On 2/25/2019 10:02 PM, kensi wrote:
> On 2/25/2019 3:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> Don't change the goalposts.  The issue is Kemp's claim that
>> climate change is a leading risk factor in the collapse of
>> civilization itself.
> 
> Who is "Kemp", k0oky? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

Huge demonstration of total ignorance of someone pretending to have a 
<snort> Ph.D. Is this funny or what?

>> Meanwhile:
>>
>> "Climate change has done more good than harm so far and is
>> likely to continue doing so for most of this century. This
>> is not some barmy, right-wing fantasy; it is the consensus
>> of expert opinion."
>> https://www.epaabuse.com/14485/news/climate-change-good-world/
> 
> Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment 
> far outweigh any positives:

Proof by assertion. Ranks right up there with Trump being a Nazi 
Jew-hater, I'm sure.

> https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives.htm
> 
> Try again?

Failed cartoonist science? Kooker? Paid propaganda? How much you bing 
paid to repost Journo lies? So much per post? Try doing no evil even if 
it's profitable for you.

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#729006

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 4:01:19 AM UTC-8, kensi wrote:
> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
> 
> When climatic stability changes, the results can be disastrous, 
> resulting in crop failure, starvation and desertification. The collapse 
> of the Anasazi, the Tiwanaku civilisation, the Akkadians, the Mayan, the 
> Roman Empire, and many others have all coincided with abrupt climatic 
> changes, usually droughts:
> 
> http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190218-are-we-on-the-road-to-civilisation-collapse

  Yeah, sure. Fortunately we've invented mass-scale desalinization, if only you "Progressives" would shut the fuck up about nuclear energy to power it.

  You "Progressives" are doing a fine job of trashing civilization as it is.


  Dr. HotSalt

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#729084

kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:q4u12a$m51$1@gioia.aioe.org: 

> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much
> risk we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the
> signs are worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
> 
> When climatic stability changes, the results can be disastrous, 
> resulting in crop failure, starvation and desertification. The
> collapse of the Anasazi, the Tiwanaku civilisation, the Akkadians, the
> Mayan, the Roman Empire, and many others have all coincided with
> abrupt climatic changes, usually droughts:
> 
> http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190218-are-we-on-the-road-to-civilisa
> tion-collapse 
> 

Only if we don't rid ourseleves of the lefty luddites.

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#729396

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 6:01:19 AM UTC-6, kensi wrote:
> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
> 

There exists a point of no return in large climate swings.  We may have already passed that point.  

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#729414

sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 6:01:19 AM UTC-6, kensi wrote:
>> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
>> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
>> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
>> 
> 
> There exists a point of no return in large climate swings.  We may have already passed that point.  
> 

Then you may as well kill yourself now, asshat, and avoid the catastrophe.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#729418

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 6:01:19 AM UTC-6, kensi wrote:
> >> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
> >> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
> >> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
> > 
> > There exists a point of no return in large climate swings.
> > We may have already passed that point.

There's this song, perhaps youAllTheyTheUs&Them, have heard it even
beyond the borders of the state of Kansas by the rock band by the name
of Kansas, it sounds like: How Long To The Point Of No Return. 

If you haven't then search it out. After decades of me listening and rocking 
to it, the song actually is: How Long To The Point Of Know Return!

Turns out, I was one among many that were singing the song wrong for decades.

Now that No2Know Return is etched upon me my mind, the song simply
does not make any sense to me anymore. Perhaps me my English is spin.

> Then you may as well kill yourself now, asshat, and avoid the catastrophe.

Sam WormLeT, Jim is asking for volunteers to save the Earth. Go for it! Help us.

> -- 
> Jim Pennino

-- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 

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#729482

On 2/27/2019 1:29 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 6:01:19 AM UTC-6, kensi wrote:
>>>> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk
>>>> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are
>>>> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
>>>
>>> There exists a point of no return in large climate swings.
>>> We may have already passed that point.
> 
> There's this song, perhaps youAllTheyTheUs&Them, have heard it even
> beyond the borders of the state of Kansas by the rock band by the name
> of Kansas, it sounds like: How Long To The Point Of No Return.
> 
> If you haven't then search it out. After decades of me listening and rocking
> to it, the song actually is: How Long To The Point Of Know Return!
> 
> Turns out, I was one among many that were singing the song wrong for decades.
> 
> Now that No2Know Return is etched upon me my mind, the song simply
> does not make any sense to me anymore. Perhaps me my English is spin.
> 
>> Then you may as well kill yourself now, asshat, and avoid the catastrophe.
> 
> Sam WormLeT, Jim is asking for volunteers to save the Earth. Go for it! Help us.

Good idea, only one first must ask certain scientific questions. WE all 
know that hair and nails keep growing after you die but do farts 
persist? If they do then there could be a big problem as it is widel 
accepted  (97%) that Cow and human farts are the major cause of global 
warming. Death my not save us all. We may already be beyond the point of 
know return. Know may never return!


>> -- 
>> Jim Pennino
> 
> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> 

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#729431

On 2/27/2019 11:26 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 6:01:19 AM UTC-6, kensi wrote:
>>> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk 
>>> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are 
>>> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
>>>
>>
>> There exists a point of no return in large climate swings.  We may have already passed that point.  
>>
> 
> Then you may as well kill yourself now, asshat, and avoid the catastrophe.
> 
> 

sam should go by an elephant gun to shoot the dinosaurs that will evolve
when the earth heats up again as the humidity skyrockets, and forest of
plants grow high and large with more life giving CO2.

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#729477

On 2/27/2019 9:39 AM, sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 6:01:19 AM UTC-6, kensi wrote:
>> Studying the demise of historic civilisations can tell us how much risk
>> we face today, says collapse expert Luke Kemp. Worryingly, the signs are
>> worsening. Climate change is cited as a leading risk factor.
>>
> 
> There exists a point of no return in large climate swings.  We may have already passed that point.
> 
Well, if it's past then there is not use even talking about it. So shut up.

However, I've asked you repeatedly to PROVE there is a "tipping point" 
by showing the Nyquist stability plots and have never received any 
answer from ANYBODY. I can only assume that either you are technically 
extremely stupid (likely) or just lying (also likely).

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