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How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes?

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First post2019-02-13 17:45 -0800
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  How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-13 17:45 -0800
    Re: How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 13:44 +1100
      Re: How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-02-13 19:49 -0700
      Re: How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-13 18:53 -0800
        Re: How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 13:56 +1100
          Re: How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-13 19:22 -0800
            Re: How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-14 16:06 +1100
              Re: How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-13 22:27 -0800

#727205 — How is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes?

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2019-02-13 17:45 -0800
SubjectHow is there energy conservation? Where Light Changes?
Message-ID<83a0caf6-0b9b-4805-b2e1-07ddaa7115f9@googlegroups.com>
Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...

Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
of quantity energy mathematically.

God creates gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#727223

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Date2019-02-14 13:44 +1100
Message-ID<gck315F36anU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#727205
On 14/02/2019 12:45 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...
> 
> Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
> is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
> instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
> of quantity energy mathematically.

You think that red and blue shifts imply that energy is not conserved? 
Why would you think that?

Sylvia.

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#727227

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2019-02-13 19:49 -0700
Message-ID<bvvagr.sjm.19.8@news.alt.net>
In reply to#727223
On 2019-02-13 7:44 p.m., Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 14/02/2019 12:45 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>> Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...
>>
>> Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
>> is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
>> instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
>> of quantity energy mathematically.
> 
> You think that red and blue shifts imply that energy is not conserved? 
> Why would you think that?
> 
> Sylvia.

freedom to think anything you please i bet

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#727229

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2019-02-13 18:53 -0800
Message-ID<e85d1871-097b-4382-848c-6ab91527613c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#727223
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 14/02/2019 12:45 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...
> > 
> > Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
> > is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
> > instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
> > of quantity energy mathematically.
> 
> You think that red and blue shifts imply that energy is not conserved? 
> Why would you think that?
> 
> Sylvia.

Sylvia? averages are not equals... just as statistics are almost
accurate...

God creates gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#727234

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Date2019-02-14 13:56 +1100
Message-ID<gck3mcF3aqjU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#727229
On 14/02/2019 1:53 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 14/02/2019 12:45 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...
>>>
>>> Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
>>> is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
>>> instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
>>> of quantity energy mathematically.
>>
>> You think that red and blue shifts imply that energy is not conserved?
>> Why would you think that?
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Sylvia? averages are not equals... just as statistics are almost
> accurate...

You mentioned averages. I didn't. Where do averages come into the 
discussion?

Sylvia.

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#727243

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2019-02-13 19:22 -0800
Message-ID<04dc42e4-4e28-41fd-89ce-da57362c8f99@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#727234
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:56:16 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 14/02/2019 1:53 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 14/02/2019 12:45 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...
> >>>
> >>> Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
> >>> is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
> >>> instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
> >>> of quantity energy mathematically.
> >>
> >> You think that red and blue shifts imply that energy is not conserved?
> >> Why would you think that?
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> > 
> > Sylvia? averages are not equals... just as statistics are almost
> > accurate...
> 
> You mentioned averages. I didn't. Where do averages come into the 
> discussion?
> 
> Sylvia.

There is no conservation with shifts.
My original point was already made above Sylvia...
There are only averages.
Red shifts and blueshifts... are defined as the averages.

Do you want to argue the accuracy of energy shift statistics?

God creates gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#727261

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Date2019-02-14 16:06 +1100
Message-ID<gckbb5F4qmcU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#727243
On 14/02/2019 2:22 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:56:16 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 14/02/2019 1:53 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2019 12:45 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...
>>>>>
>>>>> Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
>>>>> is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
>>>>> instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
>>>>> of quantity energy mathematically.
>>>>
>>>> You think that red and blue shifts imply that energy is not conserved?
>>>> Why would you think that?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Sylvia? averages are not equals... just as statistics are almost
>>> accurate...
>>
>> You mentioned averages. I didn't. Where do averages come into the
>> discussion?
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> There is no conservation with shifts.
> My original point was already made above Sylvia...
> There are only averages.
> Red shifts and blueshifts... are defined as the averages.
> 
> Do you want to argue the accuracy of energy shift statistics?
> 
> God creates gravity.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
> 

They are not averages. Individual photons are red-shifted or blue-shifted.

I don't know where you're getting your ideas from.

Sylvia.

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#727277

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2019-02-13 22:27 -0800
Message-ID<3db2d489-7525-4918-92ed-007f4fdd53ec@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#727261
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:06:50 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 14/02/2019 2:22 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:56:16 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 14/02/2019 1:53 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>> On 14/02/2019 12:45 pm, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Blue shift with Red shift for Averaging light's energy...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Its conservation is ruled out. Science's first principle
> >>>>> is the first to graduate... to take a correction. It averages
> >>>>> instead... but that is far from the equivalent to sameness
> >>>>> of quantity energy mathematically.
> >>>>
> >>>> You think that red and blue shifts imply that energy is not conserved?
> >>>> Why would you think that?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sylvia.
> >>>
> >>> Sylvia? averages are not equals... just as statistics are almost
> >>> accurate...
> >>
> >> You mentioned averages. I didn't. Where do averages come into the
> >> discussion?
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> > 
> > There is no conservation with shifts.
> > My original point was already made above Sylvia...
> > There are only averages.
> > Red shifts and blueshifts... are defined as the averages.
> > 
> > Do you want to argue the accuracy of energy shift statistics?
> > 
> > God creates gravity.
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 
> 
> They are not averages. Individual photons are red-shifted or blue-shifted.

Sure they are...
The overall multiple redshifts to blueshifts average out alone.

> 
> I don't know where you're getting your ideas from.
> 
> Sylvia.

Go back to reading Sylvia...

Einstein got this one wrong.
Like he said "One would be enough."
God creates gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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