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| Started by | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| First post | 2018-05-31 02:37 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-06-03 09:06 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 578 — 22 participants |
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Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 02:37 -0400
Re:Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-31 09:16 +0200
Re: Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 03:51 -0400
Slaughtering concert goers. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-31 05:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 12:06 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 10:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 15:49 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-31 20:12 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 17:20 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 16:37 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 19:57 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 17:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 21:38 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:42 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:07 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 08:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 22:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-05-31 19:49 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-05-31 17:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:39 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:13 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 03:21 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 08:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 11:59 -0700
Re: ā Snowflake ā Slaughtering concert goers. ā Snowflake ā Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus š¶ē¬ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 14:07 -0500
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 18:50 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:00 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:29 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:47 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:18 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 09:14 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:48 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:28 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:14 -0400
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: ā Snowflake ā ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? ā Snowflake ā Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus š¶ē¬ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-02 08:15 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 12:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 17:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:37 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:48 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 04:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:12 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 00:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:31 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:39 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:14 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:19 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:26 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:32 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:26 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:08 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:35 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:53 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:51 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 04:54 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 05:06 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:54 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
The Supreme Court got it wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-02 06:51 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 11:59 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:43 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:25 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:28 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 19:45 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:08 -0600
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 23:24 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:12 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:15 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:37 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:48 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:00 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:32 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 21:38 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:49 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:49 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:45 -0700
Permission to breath ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-02 19:10 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:13 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 20:10 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2018-06-02 20:36 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:53 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 23:33 -0400
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:42 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:57 -0400
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:08 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
Clarity. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-03 08:52 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:46 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:53 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 22:59 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 23:19 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 09:10 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:31 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:12 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:26 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:37 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:10 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:54 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 22:19 -0500
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 20:58 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 00:24 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 05:43 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 07:17 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:21 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 16:07 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:30 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 01:32 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:34 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:50 -0700
"Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-09 19:02 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:49 -0700
Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-09 12:21 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 02:18 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:25 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:38 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:16 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 09:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:53 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-02 01:20 -0400
Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-02 06:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 21:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:59 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:44 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 13:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 13:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 13:21 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:44 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:41 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:48 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:21 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-03 20:11 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 12:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 12:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 00:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:21 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 20:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:30 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 17:59 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 15:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:42 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:27 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-04 23:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:51 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:19 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 09:37 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:51 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:48 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 07:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:27 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 08:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:32 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:34 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:15 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:41 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:17 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:01 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:32 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 05:15 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:49 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:07 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:51 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:00 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 06:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:28 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:27 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:19 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:23 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 22:09 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:48 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:44 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:19 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 23:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:57 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus š¶ē¬ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-04 02:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:58 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:19 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 20:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:00 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 15:20 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:34 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 22:57 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 20:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:29 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:16 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 06:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:30 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:07 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 17:07 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 16:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 16:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:13 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 20:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:41 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 02:29 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:50 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:41 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:38 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 12:55 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 07:58 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 11:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-06-05 14:58 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 12:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-05 22:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:42 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:46 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:36 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:44 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-09 02:13 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 23:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 06:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:16 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 08:28 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:50 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 09:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 10:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 20:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 21:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-10 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 14:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 13:42 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 16:24 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 17:31 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 23:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:31 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
Truth Avoidance. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-09 12:11 -0700
Re: Truth Avoidance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:20 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 21:12 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 18:41 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 15:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 17:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 17:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 00:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 02:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-07 05:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 22:05 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:05 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:18 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 11:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:07 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:17 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:36 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 13:29 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 11:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 17:20 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 14:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 17:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:12 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:59 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:24 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 19:51 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 20:21 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:24 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:36 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:28 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:58 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:17 -0500
Re: Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! Dave Zeeman <arougroutinette@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 09:06 -0700
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2018-06-03 03:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnh6jvFcefgU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #688306 |
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 11:00:34 -0700, Snit wrote: > On 6/2/18 10:48 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >> On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 10:37:15 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 6/2/18 6:51 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>>>> Militia. Bear arms. These words have meaning. >>>>> >>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >>>>> not limitations. This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >>>> >>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >>>> >>>> Americans may keep and bear Arms For The State's Militia . >>>> >>>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen slaughtering >>>> concert goers like a meat packing service. >>>> >>> Many gun owners want their boom sticks (and by extension themselves, >>> since rights apply to them and not objects) to be treated in ways that >>> other dangerous tools are not. This is the very definition of what a >>> "special entitlement" is. >> >> Wrong. There is no special entitlement. It's a right. >> >>> They demand special entitlements and work to twist the meaning of >>> words to try to get them. >> >> ROFLMAO >> >> Most gun grabbers have no fucking idea of the meaning of "the words." >> >>> Then they cry how they are being abuses when others push BACK against >>> their demands for equal rights. >> >> You can have guns too, not a problem. >> >>> It is madness. There is no significant group insisting that cars not >>> be made more safe, given the harm tied to them. There is no >>> significant group doing that with roads. Nor pools. Nor food safety >>> laws (though the food industry does try to limit those). There is no >>> significant group pushing to stop research on falls or other common >>> forms of injury and death, and no bans on such research. >> >> There is no ban on gun research. > > >> Each and EVERY attempt by gun grabbers to promote "safety" is only to >> grab guns down the line somewhere. >> >> EVERY attempt. > > Thank you for the fine example of what I was talking about... the demand > for special entitlements and denial of simple facts and twisting of > words to say you are somehow a victim to not get them. > > Curious: did you do it for demonstration purposes, for which it serves > quite well, or were you actually trying to be serious? If the latter... > wow... that is sorta funny! https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kafkatrap kafkatrap To accuse someone of some form of "ism" (sexism, racism etc.) and to proclaim that their denial, or any attempt they make to defend themselves, is proof that they are guilty. A favorite tactic of the social justice warrior. "Your refusal to admit that you are a misogynist proves you're a misogynist." "Hey, that's kafkatrapping!" -- -v
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 21:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnhaieFdbp8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #688416 |
On 6/2/18 8:46 PM, vallor wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 11:00:34 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> On 6/2/18 10:48 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 10:37:15 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/2/18 6:51 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>>>>> Militia. Bear arms. These words have meaning. >>>>>> >>>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >>>>>> not limitations. This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >>>>> >>>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Americans may keep and bear Arms For The State's Militia . >>>>> >>>>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen slaughtering >>>>> concert goers like a meat packing service. >>>>> >>>> Many gun owners want their boom sticks (and by extension themselves, >>>> since rights apply to them and not objects) to be treated in ways that >>>> other dangerous tools are not. This is the very definition of what a >>>> "special entitlement" is. >>> >>> Wrong. There is no special entitlement. It's a right. >>> >>>> They demand special entitlements and work to twist the meaning of >>>> words to try to get them. >>> >>> ROFLMAO >>> >>> Most gun grabbers have no fucking idea of the meaning of "the words." >>> >>>> Then they cry how they are being abuses when others push BACK against >>>> their demands for equal rights. >>> >>> You can have guns too, not a problem. >>> >>>> It is madness. There is no significant group insisting that cars not >>>> be made more safe, given the harm tied to them. There is no >>>> significant group doing that with roads. Nor pools. Nor food safety >>>> laws (though the food industry does try to limit those). There is no >>>> significant group pushing to stop research on falls or other common >>>> forms of injury and death, and no bans on such research. >>> >>> There is no ban on gun research. >> > >>> Each and EVERY attempt by gun grabbers to promote "safety" is only to >>> grab guns down the line somewhere. >>> >>> EVERY attempt. >> >> Thank you for the fine example of what I was talking about... the demand >> for special entitlements and denial of simple facts and twisting of >> words to say you are somehow a victim to not get them. >> >> Curious: did you do it for demonstration purposes, for which it serves >> quite well, or were you actually trying to be serious? If the latter... >> wow... that is sorta funny! > > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kafkatrap > > kafkatrap > To accuse someone of some form of "ism" (sexism, racism etc.) and to > proclaim that their denial, or any attempt they make to defend > themselves, is proof that they are guilty. A favorite tactic of the > social justice warrior. > "Your refusal to admit that you are a misogynist proves you're a > misogynist." > > "Hey, that's kafkatrapping!" > Not relevant here. I am noting simple facts. It absolutely is a special entitlement to say you should get special entitlements for your guns that you do not get for ANY other tool. This is by definition! It absolutely is twisting of the words "bear arms" to use them in ways in which they are not commonly used... this is again pretty much my definition. Also, I have not suggested anyone grabbing a single gun, and yet I am called a "gun grabber". Then he denies the ban on gun research when there was a very effective ban on gun research. His twists and lies are excellent examples of the types of games I have been noting. Simply a fact. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 22:59 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <pf004u$hff$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #688429 |
In news:fnhaieFdbp8U1@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 6/2/18 8:46 PM, vallor wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 11:00:34 -0700, Snit wrote: >>> On 6/2/18 10:48 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 10:37:15 -0700, Snit >>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> On 6/2/18 6:51 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>>>>>> Militia. Bear arms. These words have meaning. >>>>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are >>>>>>> explanations, not limitations. This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >>>>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >>>>>> Americans may keep and bear Arms For The State's >>>>>> Militia . >>>>>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen >>>>>> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. >>>>> Many gun owners want their boom sticks (and by extension >>>>> themselves, since rights apply to them and not objects) to be >>>>> treated in ways that other dangerous tools are not. This is the >>>>> very definition of what a "special entitlement" is. >>>> Wrong. There is no special entitlement. It's a right. >>>>> They demand special entitlements and work to twist the meaning of >>>>> words to try to get them. >>>> ROFLMAO >>>> Most gun grabbers have no fucking idea of the meaning of "the >>>> words." >>>>> Then they cry how they are being abuses when others push BACK >>>>> against their demands for equal rights. >>>> You can have guns too, not a problem. >>>>> It is madness. There is no significant group insisting that cars >>>>> not be made more safe, given the harm tied to them. There is no >>>>> significant group doing that with roads. Nor pools. Nor food >>>>> safety laws (though the food industry does try to limit those). >>>>> There is no significant group pushing to stop research on falls >>>>> or other common forms of injury and death, and no bans on such >>>>> research. >>>> There is no ban on gun research. >>>> Each and EVERY attempt by gun grabbers to promote "safety" is only >>>> to grab guns down the line somewhere. >>>> EVERY attempt. >>> Thank you for the fine example of what I was talking about... the >>> demand for special entitlements and denial of simple facts and >>> twisting of words to say you are somehow a victim to not get them. >>> Curious: did you do it for demonstration purposes, for which it >>> serves quite well, or were you actually trying to be serious? If >>> the latter... wow... that is sorta funny! >> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kafkatrap >> kafkatrap >> To accuse someone of some form of "ism" (sexism, racism etc.) and to >> proclaim that their denial, or any attempt they make to defend >> themselves, is proof that they are guilty. A favorite tactic of the >> social justice warrior. >> "Your refusal to admit that you are a misogynist proves you're a >> misogynist." >> "Hey, that's kafkatrapping!" > Not relevant here. I am noting simple facts. It absolutely is a > special entitlement to say you should get special entitlements for > your guns that you do not get for ANY other tool.... What other tools are mentioned in the Constitution? > ... This is by definition! It absolutely is twisting of the words "bear arms" to use them in ways > in which they are not commonly used... this is again pretty much my definition. Yours and very, very few others. > Also, I have not suggested anyone grabbing a single gun, and yet I am > called a "gun grabber". Then he denies the ban on gun research when > there was a very effective ban on gun research. There is a very effective ban on CDC promoting gun control. http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/261307-why-congress-stopped-gun-control-activism-at-the-cdc > His twists and lies are excellent examples... Takes one to know one, eh?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 23:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnhfjuFe6poU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #688431 |
On 6/2/18 10:59 PM, max headroom wrote: ... >> Not relevant here. I am noting simple facts. It absolutely is a >> special entitlement to say you should get special entitlements for >> your guns that you do not get for ANY other tool.... > > What other tools are mentioned in the Constitution? Guns are not mentioned either. But do you use the mention of arms to be an excuse for your demands for special entitlements? >> ... This is by definition! It absolutely is twisting of the words "bear arms" to use them in ways >> in which they are not commonly used... this is again pretty much my definition. > > Yours and very, very few others. Nope. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html ----- A search of Brigham Young Universityās new online Corpus of Founding Era American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 million words, yields 281 instances of the phrase ābear arms.ā BYUās Corpus of Early Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close to 1.3 billion words, shows 1,572 instances of the phrase. Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, that leaves about 1,500 separate occurrences of ābear armsā in the 17th and 18th centuries, and only a handful donāt refer to war, soldiering or organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural meaning of ābear armsā in the framersā day was military. But we shouldnāt need big data to tell us this. āBear armsā has never worked comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or target practice. ----- It simply is a fact that bear arms was used pretty much exclusively to refer to "war, soldiering or organized, armed action." Given that, why do you think those are the words used in the second amendment, which also specifically gives the context of a militia? Would love to hear you view on the wording there! >> Also, I have not suggested anyone grabbing a single gun, and yet I am >> called a "gun grabber". Then he denies the ban on gun research when >> there was a very effective ban on gun research. > > There is a very effective ban on CDC promoting gun control. > > http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/261307-why-congress-stopped-gun-control-activism-at-the-cdc Ah, a blog. Wow. I am not talking activism... I am talking about RESEARCH. Do you understand what that even means? Here: <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2595514> ----- Compared with other leading causes of death, gun violence was associated with less funding and fewer publications than predicted based on mortality rate (Figure 1). Gun violence had 1.6% of the funding predicted ($1.4 billion predicted, $22 million observed) and had 4.5% of the volume of publications predicted (38āÆ897 predicted, 1738 observed) from the regression analyses. Gun violence killed about as many individuals as sepsis. However, funding for gun violence research was about 0.7% of that for sepsis and publication volume about 4%. In relation to mortality rates, gun violence research was the least-researched cause of death and the second-least funded cause of death after falls (Figure 2). ----- This is utter insanity. >> His twists and lies are excellent examples... > > Takes one to know one, eh? I am happily showing specific lies and twists from you and others who are, for some reason, taking clear joy in trolling me. Seems we are all enjoying this. Carry on! -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-03 09:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <pf13us$e41$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #688434 |
In news:fnhfjuFe6poU1@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 6/2/18 10:59 PM, max headroom wrote: >>> Not relevant here. I am noting simple facts. It absolutely is a >>> special entitlement to say you should get special entitlements for >>> your guns that you do not get for ANY other tool.... >> What other tools are mentioned in the Constitution? > Guns are not mentioned either. But do you use the mention of arms to > be an excuse for your demands for special entitlements? All I demand is that ALL my rights be respected. >>> ... This is by definition! It absolutely is twisting of the words >>> "bear arms" to use them in ways in which they are not commonly >>> used... this is again pretty much my definition. >> Yours and very, very few others. > Nope. > https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html <yawn> Bitter academic, rebutted by the Supremes. > It simply is a fact that bear arms was used pretty much exclusively to > refer to "war, soldiering or organized, armed action." The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms." The phrase you're thinking of is "bear arms against." > Given that, why do you think those are the words used in the second > amendment, which also specifically gives the context of a militia? I think the majority opinion, written by Scalia, answers your question well. > Would love to hear you view on the wording there! http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/common.htm >>> Also, I have not suggested anyone grabbing a single gun, and yet I am >>> called a "gun grabber". Then he denies the ban on gun research when >>> there was a very effective ban on gun research. >> There is a very effective ban on CDC promoting gun control. >> http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/261307-why-congress-stopped-gun-control-activism-at-the-cdc > Ah, a blog. Wow. Yeah, wow! He details the reasons for the adoption of the Dickey amendment, which was proper. > I am not talking activism... I am talking about RESEARCH.... There is no ban on research. > ... Do you understand what that even means?... Sure. It means the Center for Disease Control and Prevention should research disease control and prevention. Let the criminologists at the Department of Justice research ways to reduce violent crimes. > I am happily showing specific lies and twists from you and others who > are, for some reason, taking clear joy in trolling me. No trolling on my part. This is on-topic in talk.politics.guns. YMMV.
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 00:31 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <pf53p5$s94$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #688275 |
"Jeff-Relf.Me @." wrote in message news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018... >> > Militia. Bear arms. These words have meaning. >> >> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >> not limitations. This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. > > The Supreme Court got it wrong. > > Americans may keep and bear Arms For The State's Militia . "....the right of the people...." I don't see anyway you can get that to mean "right of the State's militia" Oh, but let's see who the militia is in my state. 44-1. Composition of militia. The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia. So, really, not much difference between "the State's militia" and "the people". But I think I will just stick to what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says, rather than your utter misreading.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 06:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnmnv8Fect2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #688827 |
Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote: > > > "Jeff-Relf.Me @." wrote in message > news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018... >>>> Militia. Bear arms. These words have meaning. >>> >>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >>> not limitations. This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >> >> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >> >> Americans may keep and bear Arms For The State's Militia . > > "....the right of the people...." > > I don't see anyway you can get that to mean "right of the State's militia" > > Oh, but let's see who the militia is in my state. > > 44-1. Composition of militia. > The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied > citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in > this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of > the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as > hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia > shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the > Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense > Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia. > > So, really, not much difference between "the State's militia" and "the > people". > > But I think I will just stick to what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says, > rather than your utter misreading. > > > Shortest sentence in the constitution and you fail to quote it all to push a bias. Wow.
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 18:26 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <pf72sb$hr7$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #688845 |
"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message news:fnmnv8Fect2U1@mid.individual.net... > Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote: >> >> >> "Jeff-Relf.Me @." wrote in message >> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018... >>>>> Militia. Bear arms. These words have meaning. >>>> >>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >>>> not limitations. This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >>> >>> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >>> >>> Americans may keep and bear Arms For The State's Militia . >> >> "....the right of the people...." >> >> I don't see anyway you can get that to mean "right of the State's >> militia" >> >> Oh, but let's see who the militia is in my state. >> >> 44-1. Composition of militia. >> The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all >> able-bodied >> citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident >> in >> this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of >> the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as >> hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia >> shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes >> the >> Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State >> Defense >> Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia. >> >> So, really, not much difference between "the State's militia" and "the >> people". >> >> But I think I will just stick to what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says, >> rather than your utter misreading. >> >> >> > > Shortest sentence in the constitution and you fail to quote it all to push > a bias. Wow. I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under discussion is that of the people. And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem with getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have trouble even understanding the limited portion I present to you.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 16:37 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnol57FbpqgU20@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #688976 |
On 6/5/18 3:26 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message > news:fnmnv8Fect2U1@mid.individual.net... >> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Jeff-Relf.MeĀ @." wrote in message >>> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018... >>>>>> Militia.Ā Bear arms.Ā These words have meaning. >>>>> >>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >>>>> not limitations.Ā This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >>>> >>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >>>> >>>> Americans may keep and bear ArmsĀ Ā Ā ForĀ Ā Ā TheĀ Ā State'sĀ Ā MilitiaĀ . >>> >>> "....the right of the people...." >>> >>> I don't see anyway you can get that to mean "right of the State's >>> militia" >>> >>> Oh, but let's see who the militia is in my state. >>> >>> 44-1. Composition of militia. >>> The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all >>> able-bodied >>> citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons >>> resident in >>> this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become >>> citizens of >>> the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as >>> hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia >>> shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which >>> includes the >>> Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State >>> Defense >>> Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia. >>> >>> So, really, not much difference between "the State's militia" and "the >>> people". >>> >>> But I think I will just stick to what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says, >>> rather than your utter misreading. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Shortest sentence in the constitution and you fail to quote it all to >> push >> a bias. Wow. > > I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under > discussion is that of the people. > > And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem with > getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have trouble even > understanding the limited portion I present to you. Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 23:10 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <pf7jms$5bd$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #688997 |
"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message news:fnol57FbpqgU20@mid.individual.net... > On 6/5/18 3:26 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message >> news:fnmnv8Fect2U1@mid.individual.net... >>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Jeff-Relf.Me @." wrote in message >>>> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018... >>>>>>> Militia. Bear arms. These words have meaning. >>>>>> >>>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >>>>>> not limitations. This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >>>>> >>>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Americans may keep and bear Arms For The State's Militia . >>>> >>>> "....the right of the people...." >>>> >>>> I don't see anyway you can get that to mean "right of the State's >>>> militia" >>>> >>>> Oh, but let's see who the militia is in my state. >>>> >>>> 44-1. Composition of militia. >>>> The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all >>>> able-bodied >>>> citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons >>>> resident in >>>> this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens >>>> of >>>> the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as >>>> hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The >>>> militia >>>> shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes >>>> the >>>> Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State >>>> Defense >>>> Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia. >>>> >>>> So, really, not much difference between "the State's militia" and "the >>>> people". >>>> >>>> But I think I will just stick to what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says, >>>> rather than your utter misreading. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Shortest sentence in the constitution and you fail to quote it all to >>> push >>> a bias. Wow. >> >> I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under discussion >> is that of the people. >> >> And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem with >> getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have trouble even >> understanding the limited portion I present to you. > > Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! And the bot resorts to an evasion.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 20:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnp47cFsctsU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689099 |
On 6/5/18 8:10 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message > news:fnol57FbpqgU20@mid.individual.net... >> On 6/5/18 3:26 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message >>> news:fnmnv8Fect2U1@mid.individual.net... >>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Jeff-Relf.MeĀ @." wrote in message >>>>> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018... >>>>>>>> Militia.Ā Bear arms.Ā These words have meaning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, >>>>>>> not limitations.Ā This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Americans may keep and bear ArmsĀ Ā Ā ForĀ Ā Ā TheĀ Ā State'sĀ Ā MilitiaĀ . >>>>> >>>>> "....the right of the people...." >>>>> >>>>> I don't see anyway you can get that to mean "right of the State's >>>>> militia" >>>>> >>>>> Oh, but let's see who the militia is in my state. >>>>> >>>>> 44-1. Composition of militia. >>>>> The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all >>>>> able-bodied >>>>> citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons >>>>> resident in >>>>> this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become >>>>> citizens of >>>>> the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, >>>>> except as >>>>> hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The >>>>> militia >>>>> shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which >>>>> includes the >>>>> Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State >>>>> Defense >>>>> Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia. >>>>> >>>>> So, really, not much difference between "the State's militia" and "the >>>>> people". >>>>> >>>>> But I think I will just stick to what the 2nd Amendment ACTUALLY says, >>>>> rather than your utter misreading. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Shortest sentence in the constitution and you fail to quote it all >>>> to push >>>> a bias. Wow. >>> >>> I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under >>> discussion is that of the people. >>> >>> And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem >>> with getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have >>> trouble even understanding the limited portion I present to you. >> >> Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! > > And the bot resorts to an evasion. > > I noted a fact you do not like and then you respond with a false accusation. Interesting. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-06 22:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <eh8hhd1amd9as0fofttbeoisq4t8utf9qn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #688997 |
x-no-idiots: yes On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:37:11 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under >> discussion is that of the people. >> >> And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem with >> getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have trouble even >> understanding the limited portion I present to you. > >Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! A human right has three properties; it is: 1) Intrinsic; it is a property of every human being on the planet. They may not live here and their government might not respect it; however, the second the person's feet are on US soil, the person has that right. Is this how we practice gun "rights"? 2) Indelible; a human right simply cannot be removed for any reason. Is this how we practice gun rights? 3) Universal; a right is generally recognized across political boundaries. This doesn't mean every garden spot has to recognize it; however, by and large, a huge preponderance of civilized societies do so. Can you think of *any* other country where a gun is a right as the O.P. discusses it? Jones -- Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-06 20:58 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnrorgFc0teU22@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689279 |
On 6/6/18 8:19 PM, !Jones wrote: > x-no-idiots: yes > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:37:11 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>> I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under >>> discussion is that of the people. >>> >>> And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem with >>> getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have trouble even >>> understanding the limited portion I present to you. >> >> Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! > > A human right has three properties; it is: > > 1) Intrinsic; it is a property of every human being on the planet. > They may not live here and their government might not respect it; > however, the second the person's feet are on US soil, the person has > that right. Is this how we practice gun "rights"? Nope. Felons do not have rights to guns. > 2) Indelible; a human right simply cannot be removed for any reason. > Is this how we practice gun rights? Nope. Felons do not have rights to guns. > 3) Universal; a right is generally recognized across political > boundaries. This doesn't mean every garden spot has to recognize it; > however, by and large, a huge preponderance of civilized societies do > so. Can you think of *any* other country where a gun is a right as > the O.P. discusses it? Would have to go look at the O.P. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 00:24 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <pfac6s$bdi$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #689279 |
"!Jones" <jones@fobahor.com> wrote in message news:eh8hhd1amd9as0fofttbeoisq4t8utf9qn@4ax.com... > x-no-idiots: yes > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:37:11 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>> I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under >>> discussion is that of the people. >>> >>> And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem with >>> getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have trouble even >>> understanding the limited portion I present to you. >> >>Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! > > A human right has three properties; it is: > > 1) Intrinsic; it is a property of every human being on the planet. > They may not live here and their government might not respect it; > however, the second the person's feet are on US soil, the person has > that right. Is this how we practice gun "rights"? Sorry, they have the right whether their feet are on US soil or not. The real issue is whether they can freely exercise their rights or not. That depends on how oppressive and tyrannical the government is. After all, even prisoners that are locked up in jails keep and bear arms despite all the attempts by authority to prevent it. Sounds pretty damn intrinsic to me. > > 2) Indelible; a human right simply cannot be removed for any reason. > Is this how we practice gun rights? Sure is. Because we can neither grant rights nor remove rights. The most we can do is allow the free exercise of rights, or to infringe upon those rights to some extent from minor to full denial. But just because it's illegal doesn't mean people don't continue to exercise their rights. They just don't do it as publically and openly. > > 3) Universal; a right is generally recognized across political > boundaries. <snip> Thus is we have an oppressive tyranny anywhere on the planet then according to you no one anywhere has any rights because the oppressive tyranny doesn't recognize the rights that everyone else on the planet does. Sorry, but YOU may feel your rights depend on a dictator recognizing your rights, but I know what my rights are and they don't depend on some tyrant to acknowledge them. Otherwise, how could a rebellion EVER occur. Because according to you no one would have the right to rebel because the government wouldn't recognize it. Oddly enough, the people don't give a shit if the oppressive government recognizes their rights or not. The people recognize their own rights and that's enough.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 05:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnrv0aFea3pU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689284 |
Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote: > > > "!Jones" <jones@fobahor.com> wrote in message > news:eh8hhd1amd9as0fofttbeoisq4t8utf9qn@4ax.com... >> x-no-idiots: yes >> >> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:37:11 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit >> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>>> I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under >>>> discussion is that of the people. >>>> >>>> And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem with >>>> getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have trouble even >>>> understanding the limited portion I present to you. >>> >>> Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! >> >> A human right has three properties; it is: >> >> 1) Intrinsic; it is a property of every human being on the planet. >> They may not live here and their government might not respect it; >> however, the second the person's feet are on US soil, the person has >> that right. Is this how we practice gun "rights"? > > Sorry, they have the right whether their feet are on US soil or not. The > real issue is whether they can freely exercise their rights or not. That > depends on how oppressive and tyrannical the government is. > > After all, even prisoners that are locked up in jails keep and bear arms > despite all the attempts by authority to prevent it. > > Sounds pretty damn intrinsic to me. > > > >> >> 2) Indelible; a human right simply cannot be removed for any reason. >> Is this how we practice gun rights? > > Sure is. Because we can neither grant rights nor remove rights. The most we > can do is allow the free exercise of rights, or to infringe upon those > rights to some extent from minor to full denial. But just because it's > illegal doesn't mean people don't continue to exercise their rights. They > just don't do it as publically and openly. > > >> >> 3) Universal; a right is generally recognized across political >> boundaries. > > <snip> > > Thus is we have an oppressive tyranny anywhere on the planet then according > to you no one anywhere has any rights because the oppressive tyranny doesn't > recognize the rights that everyone else on the planet does. > > Sorry, but YOU may feel your rights depend on a dictator recognizing your > rights, but I know what my rights are and they don't depend on some tyrant > to acknowledge them. > > Otherwise, how could a rebellion EVER occur. Because according to you no one > would have the right to rebel because the government wouldn't recognize it. > Oddly enough, the people don't give a shit if the oppressive government > recognizes their rights or not. The people recognize their own rights and > that's enough. > > > Where do rights come from?
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 07:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnuordFt7iqU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689285 |
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:43:38 +0000, Snit wrote: > Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote: >> >> >> "!Jones" <jones@fobahor.com> wrote in message >> news:eh8hhd1amd9as0fofttbeoisq4t8utf9qn@4ax.com... >>> x-no-idiots: yes >>> >>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:37:11 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit >>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> I don't need to quote it all to establish that the right under >>>>> discussion is that of the people. >>>>> >>>>> And I focus that attention because you seem to have a major problem >>>>> with getting lost in the weeds when given more. Heck, you have >>>>> trouble even understanding the limited portion I present to you. >>>> >>>> Ah, insults because you cannot support your view. How original! >>> >>> A human right has three properties; it is: >>> >>> 1) Intrinsic; it is a property of every human being on the planet. >>> They may not live here and their government might not respect it; >>> however, the second the person's feet are on US soil, the person has >>> that right. Is this how we practice gun "rights"? >> >> Sorry, they have the right whether their feet are on US soil or not. >> The real issue is whether they can freely exercise their rights or not. >> That depends on how oppressive and tyrannical the government is. >> >> After all, even prisoners that are locked up in jails keep and bear >> arms despite all the attempts by authority to prevent it. >> >> Sounds pretty damn intrinsic to me. >> >> >> >> >>> 2) Indelible; a human right simply cannot be removed for any reason. >>> Is this how we practice gun rights? >> >> Sure is. Because we can neither grant rights nor remove rights. The >> most we can do is allow the free exercise of rights, or to infringe >> upon those rights to some extent from minor to full denial. But just >> because it's illegal doesn't mean people don't continue to exercise >> their rights. They just don't do it as publically and openly. >> >> >> >>> 3) Universal; a right is generally recognized across political >>> boundaries. >> >> <snip> >> >> Thus is we have an oppressive tyranny anywhere on the planet then >> according to you no one anywhere has any rights because the oppressive >> tyranny doesn't recognize the rights that everyone else on the planet >> does. >> >> Sorry, but YOU may feel your rights depend on a dictator recognizing >> your rights, but I know what my rights are and they don't depend on >> some tyrant to acknowledge them. >> >> Otherwise, how could a rebellion EVER occur. Because according to you >> no one would have the right to rebel because the government wouldn't >> recognize it. Oddly enough, the people don't give a shit if the >> oppressive government recognizes their rights or not. The people >> recognize their own rights and that's enough. >> >> >> >> > Where do rights come from? Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge. In Congress, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. -- -v
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 00:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fnup4nFp19uU16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689440 |
On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote: ... >> Where do rights come from? > > Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge. > > In Congress, July 4, 1776. > The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When > in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to > dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and > to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station > to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent > respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the > causes which impel them to the separation. > > We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, > that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, > that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to > secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their > just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of > Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the > People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying > its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, > as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic forces or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of what we know. But different cultures at different times see these rights in different ways. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2018-06-09 16:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fo2c98FkubpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689441 |
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:21:59 -0700, Snit wrote: > On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote: > ... >>> Where do rights come from? >> >> Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge. >> >> In Congress, July 4, 1776. >> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, >> When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people >> to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, >> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal >> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a >> decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should >> declare the causes which impel them to the separation. >> >> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable >> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >> Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted >> among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, >> --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these >> ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to >> institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and >> organizing its powers in such form, >> as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. > > A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic forces > or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of what we > know. > > But different cultures at different times see these rights in different > ways. That's got to be one of the vaguest fizzles I've ever read. I accept your concession of defeat, you may now bask in the glory that is the Declaration of Independence. -- -v
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-09 09:30 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fo2dkbFcgkoU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689661 |
On 6/9/18 9:07 AM, vallor wrote: > On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:21:59 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote: >> ... >>>> Where do rights come from? >>> >>> Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge. >>> >>> In Congress, July 4, 1776. >>> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, >>> When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people >>> to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, >>> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal >>> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a >>> decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should >>> declare the causes which impel them to the separation. >>> >>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >>> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable >>> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >>> Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted >>> among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, >>> --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these >>> ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to >>> institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and >>> organizing its powers in such form, >>> as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. >> >> A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic forces >> or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of what we >> know. >> >> But different cultures at different times see these rights in different >> ways. > > That's got to be one of the vaguest fizzles I've ever read. Then you get the point... what is a right is not clear. Sure, there are certain things which we take for granted -- they are so ingrained in us. And that is good. But there is no "universal" view on this, and no deity which has set up rights, nor a universe which has put any such rights into place. They are man made. > I accept your concession of defeat, you may now bask in the glory that is > the Declaration of Independence. They are self-evidence in that we have almost universal agreement on many. There is no creator to have given us anything, unless you mean nature itself, and nature cares not one whit about rights. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2018-06-10 01:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. |
| Message-ID | <fo3deaFochoU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #689669 |
On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:30:03 -0700, Snit wrote: > On 6/9/18 9:07 AM, vallor wrote: >> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:21:59 -0700, Snit wrote: >> >>> On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote: >>> ... >>>>> Where do rights come from? >>>> >>>> Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge. >>>> >>>> In Congress, July 4, 1776. >>>> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, >>>> When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one >>>> people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with >>>> another, >>>> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal >>>> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, >>>> a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should >>>> declare the causes which impel them to the separation. >>>> >>>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >>>> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain >>>> unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the >>>> pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are >>>> instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of >>>> the governed, >>>> --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these >>>> ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to >>>> institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles >>>> and organizing its powers in such form, >>>> as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and >>>> Happiness. >>> >>> A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic >>> forces or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of >>> what we know. >>> >>> But different cultures at different times see these rights in >>> different ways. >> >> That's got to be one of the vaguest fizzles I've ever read. > > Then you get the point... what is a right is not clear. Sure, there are > certain things which we take for granted -- they are so ingrained in us. > And that is good. But there is no "universal" view on this, and no deity > which has set up rights, nor a universe which has put any such rights > into place. They are man made. > >> I accept your concession of defeat, you may now bask in the glory that >> is the Declaration of Independence. > > They are self-evidence in that we have almost universal agreement on > many. There is no creator to have given us anything, unless you mean > nature itself, and nature cares not one whit about rights. You are out of your gourd. The Framers were Deists, and the least controversial way for them to explain the source of rights was "the Creator". Whether or not that was a personal god is up for debate, but that's not the point. From whence _you_, a conscious being, came, so came rights. If you want to think of that as the laws of nature, that's fine. If you want to believe that consciousness isn't miraculous, that's fine too. The point is that humans are born with rights, and it is one of the most important -- if not the most important -- role of government is to secure and protect those rights. But I think if we were to discuss this definition of rights, we would come to agreement. But ultimately, that isn't our disagreement. Our disagreement is whether or not human beings are born with the right to personally defend themselves with deadly force. No amount of quibbling can get around this: you seem to have decided that a human being's right to defend himself or herself with deadly force is either a) not a right, or b) not a right worth protecting. And let's not have any more of this appeal to what felons may and may not do to try to defend your position. We take away the ability for felons to exercise certain rights because it is prudent. Sometimes they aren't allowed to vote, and in all cases I've ever heard of, they can't have actual weapons. That isn't an argument that they weren't born with those rights, but that the consequences of their convictions is that they can't exercise those rights. I think the most rational and objective view of the situation is that human beings are born with the right to life, and that includes the right to peronsally defend themselves -- yes, even with deadly force, if it comes to that. BTW, Snit, this post isn't really for your benefit -- it is for the benefit of onlookers. -- -v
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