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Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children!

Started bybenj <benj@nobody.net>
First post2018-05-31 02:37 -0400
Last post2018-06-03 09:06 -0700
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  Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 02:37 -0400
    Re:Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-31 09:16 +0200
      Re: Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 03:51 -0400
    Slaughtering concert goers. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-31 05:22 -0700
      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 12:06 -0400
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 10:02 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 15:49 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-31 20:12 +0000
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 17:20 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 16:37 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 19:57 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 17:12 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 21:38 -0400
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:32 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:42 -0400
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:54 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:22 -0400
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:36 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:07 -0400
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:31 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:47 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 08:50 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 22:53 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:39 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:16 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:29 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:43 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:33 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0400
      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-05-31 19:49 -0500
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-05-31 17:51 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:26 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:39 -0400
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:13 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 03:21 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:46 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 08:12 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:27 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 11:59 -0700
                      Re: ā„ Snowflake ā„ Slaughtering concert goers. ā„ Snowflake ā„ Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus šŸ¶ē¬› <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 14:07 -0500
                        Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 18:50 -0700
                          Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:00 -0700
                            Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                              Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:29 -0700
                                Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:47 -0700
                                  Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:18 -0700
                                    Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 09:14 -0700
                                      Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:48 -0700
                                        Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:28 -0700
                                          Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:14 -0400
                                            Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                                  Re: ā„ Snowflake ā„ ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? ā„ Snowflake ā„ Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus šŸ¶ē¬› <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-02 08:15 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 12:30 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 17:09 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:37 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:00 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:14 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:09 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:48 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 04:53 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:11 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:12 -0400
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 00:47 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:05 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:31 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:01 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:39 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:16 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:14 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:35 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:19 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:40 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:26 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:11 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:36 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:32 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:03 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0400
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:26 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:01 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:08 -0500
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:40 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:35 -0400
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:15 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:53 -0400
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:09 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:51 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:12 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 04:54 +0000
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:00 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 05:06 +0000
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:09 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:54 -0400
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                            The Supreme Court got it wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-02 06:51 -0700
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 11:59 -0400
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:43 -0700
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:25 -0400
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:28 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 19:45 -0400
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:08 -0600
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 23:24 -0700
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:12 -0700
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:15 -0700
                                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:37 -0700
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:48 -0700
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:00 -0700
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:32 -0700
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0700
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 21:38 -0400
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:49 -0700
                                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:49 +0000
                                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:45 -0700
                                        Permission to breath ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-02 19:10 -0700
                                          Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:13 -0700
                                            Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
                                              Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 20:10 -0700
                                                Re: Permission to breath ? Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2018-06-02 20:36 -0700
                                                Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:53 -0700
                                              Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 23:33 -0400
                                                Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:42 -0700
                                                  Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:57 -0400
                                                    Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:08 -0700
                                          Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
                                            Clarity. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-03 08:52 -0700
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:46 +0000
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:53 -0700
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 22:59 -0700
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 23:19 -0700
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 09:10 -0700
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:31 -0400
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:12 +0000
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:26 -0400
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:37 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:10 -0400
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:54 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 22:19 -0500
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 20:58 -0700
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 00:24 -0400
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 05:43 +0000
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 07:17 +0000
                                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:21 -0700
                                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 16:07 +0000
                                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:30 -0700
                                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 01:32 +0000
                                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:34 -0700
                                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:50 -0700
                                                      "Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 19:02 -0700
                                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:49 -0700
                                                  Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 12:21 -0700
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 02:18 -0400
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:25 -0700
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:38 -0400
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:16 -0400
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 09:46 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:53 -0400
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-02 01:20 -0400
                        Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-02 06:27 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:14 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:38 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:57 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:29 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:57 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:25 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:53 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:29 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:09 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 21:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:32 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:59 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:02 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:38 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:53 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:04 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:16 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:33 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:38 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:44 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 13:14 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 13:17 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 13:21 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:40 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:47 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:57 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:05 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:13 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:40 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:44 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:39 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:37 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:54 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:01 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:02 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:13 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:39 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:54 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:05 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:41 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:48 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:07 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:14 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:17 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:21 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-03 20:11 -0500
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:20 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:43 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:45 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:40 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 12:03 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 12:05 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 00:47 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:11 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:21 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 20:37 -0400
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:30 -0400
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:11 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 17:59 -0400
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 15:05 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:44 -0400
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:12 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:27 -0400
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:47 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-04 23:47 -0400
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:51 -0500
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:19 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:06 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 09:37 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:51 +0000
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:18 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:50 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:09 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:32 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:35 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:48 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 07:48 -0500
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:27 -0500
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:30 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 08:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:32 -0500
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:33 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:34 -0500
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:54 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:51 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:45 -0500
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:15 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:41 -0400
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:11 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:17 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:50 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:23 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:01 -0400
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:32 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:06 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 05:15 +0000
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:49 -0500
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:11 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:30 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:50 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:07 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:25 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:37 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:51 -0400
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:00 -0500
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 06:26 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:28 -0400
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:12 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:27 -0400
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:07 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:44 -0400
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:19 -0600
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:23 -0600
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:31 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 22:09 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:48 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:47 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:44 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:10 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:19 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 23:53 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:57 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:22 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:30 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus šŸ¶ē¬› <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-04 02:48 -0500
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:58 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:19 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 20:56 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:26 +0000
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:45 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:30 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:30 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:00 -0600
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:45 -0500
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0500
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:48 -0500
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:15 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 15:20 -0500
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:55 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:34 -0500
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:52 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 22:57 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:09 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:52 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 20:14 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:29 -0500
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:20 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:16 -0500
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 06:25 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:30 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:32 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:34 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:07 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:27 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 17:07 -0600
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 16:18 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 16:46 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 17:04 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:13 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 20:16 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:41 -0500
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 02:29 -0600
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:50 -0500
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:41 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:38 -0600
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:01 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 12:55 -0500
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 07:58 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 11:56 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-06-05 14:58 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 12:17 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:02 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:45 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:51 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:56 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:02 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:47 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:51 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-05 22:44 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:04 -0400
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:50 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:05 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:11 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:20 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:42 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:46 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:46 -0400
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:45 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:13 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:36 -0400
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:07 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:01 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:08 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:29 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:02 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:07 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:44 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:52 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-09 02:13 -0400
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 23:20 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 06:22 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:16 +0000
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 08:28 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 09:23 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:51 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 10:29 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 20:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 21:08 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-10 14:33 -0700
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 14:54 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:56 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:25 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 13:42 -0600
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:32 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 16:24 -0600
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:34 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 17:31 -0600
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 23:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:57 -0700
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:59 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:53 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:22 -0400
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:32 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:22 -0400
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
                                                                      Truth Avoidance. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 12:11 -0700
                                                                        Re: Truth Avoidance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:33 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:09 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:20 -0400
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 21:12 +0000
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:31 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 18:41 -0400
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 15:46 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:43 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:50 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 17:08 -0700
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 17:11 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:32 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:55 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:53 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 00:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 02:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:03 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:06 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:33 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:11 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:17 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-07 05:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 22:05 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:05 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:46 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:23 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:26 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:09 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:52 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:08 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:18 -0500
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:14 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 11:55 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:07 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:50 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:12 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:56 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:07 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:38 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:45 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:18 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:17 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:10 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:01 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:36 -0500
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:39 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 13:29 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 11:09 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 17:20 -0400
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 14:35 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:08 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:26 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:42 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:32 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:37 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 17:57 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:30 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:51 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:32 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:09 -0400
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:12 -0600
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:53 -0700
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:59 -0600
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:02 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:24 -0600
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:01 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 19:51 -0400
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:56 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 20:21 -0400
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#689824 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-09 18:34 -0700
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<bbeko6.scj.17.2@news.alt.net>
In reply to#689823
On 2018-06-09 6:32 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:30:03 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 6/9/18 9:07 AM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:21:59 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>> Where do rights come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Congress, July 4, 1776.
>>>>> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
>>>>> When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one
>>>>> people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with
>>>>> another,
>>>>> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
>>>>> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
>>>>> a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
>>>>> declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
>>>>> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
>>>>> unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
>>>>> pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are
>>>>> instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of
>>>>> the governed,
>>>>> --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
>>>>> ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
>>>>> institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles
>>>>> and organizing its powers in such form,
>>>>> as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
>>>>> Happiness.
>>>>
>>>> A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic
>>>> forces or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of
>>>> what we know.
>>>>
>>>> But different cultures at different times see these rights in
>>>> different ways.
>>>
>>> That's got to be one of the vaguest fizzles I've ever read.
>>
>> Then you get the point... what is a right is not clear. Sure, there are
>> certain things which we take for granted -- they are so ingrained in us.
>> And that is good. But there is no "universal" view on this, and no deity
>> which has set up rights, nor a universe which has put any such rights
>> into place. They are man made.
>>
>>> I accept your concession of defeat, you may now bask in the glory that
>>> is the Declaration of Independence.
>>
>> They are self-evidence in that we have almost universal agreement on
>> many. There is no creator to have given us anything, unless you mean
>> nature itself, and nature cares not one whit about rights.
> 
> You are out of your gourd.
> 
> The Framers were Deists, and the least controversial way for them to
> explain the source of rights was "the Creator".  Whether or not that was
> a personal god is up for debate, but that's not the point.
> 
>   From whence _you_, a conscious being, came, so came rights.  If you want
> to think of that as the laws of nature, that's fine.  If you want to
> believe that consciousness isn't miraculous, that's fine too.  The point
> is that humans are born with rights, and it is one of the most important
> -- if not the most important -- role of government is to secure and
> protect those rights.
> 
> But I think if we were to discuss this definition of rights, we would
> come to agreement.  But ultimately, that isn't our disagreement.
> 
> Our disagreement is whether or not human beings are born with the right
> to personally defend themselves with deadly force.  No amount of
> quibbling can get around this:  you seem to have decided that a human
> being's right to defend himself or herself with deadly force is either a)
> not a right, or b) not a right worth protecting.
> 
> And let's not have any more of this appeal to what felons may and may not
> do to try to defend your position.  We take away the ability for felons
> to exercise certain rights because it is prudent.  Sometimes they aren't
> allowed to vote, and in all cases I've ever heard of, they can't have
> actual weapons.  That isn't an argument that they weren't born with those
> rights, but that the consequences of their convictions is that they can't
> exercise those rights.
> 
> I think the most rational and objective view of the situation is that
> human beings are born with the right to life, and that includes the right
> to peronsally defend themselves -- yes, even with deadly force, if it
> comes to that.
> 
> BTW, Snit, this post isn't really for your benefit -- it is for the
> benefit of onlookers.
> 
i promise i on looked

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#689845 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-09 20:50 -0700
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<fo3lf9Fs49hU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689824
On 6/9/18 6:34 PM, % wrote:
> On 2018-06-09 6:32 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:30:03 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/9/18 9:07 AM, vallor wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:21:59 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Where do rights come from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Congress, July 4, 1776.
>>>>>> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
>>>>>> When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one
>>>>>> people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with
>>>>>> another,
>>>>>> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
>>>>>> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
>>>>>> a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
>>>>>> declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
>>>>>> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
>>>>>> unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
>>>>>> pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are
>>>>>> instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of
>>>>>> the governed,
>>>>>> --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
>>>>>> ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
>>>>>> institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles
>>>>>> and organizing its powers in such form,
>>>>>> as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
>>>>>> Happiness.
>>>>>
>>>>> A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic
>>>>> forces or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of
>>>>> what we know.
>>>>>
>>>>> But different cultures at different times see these rights in
>>>>> different ways.
>>>>
>>>> That's got to be one of the vaguest fizzles I've ever read.
>>>
>>> Then you get the point... what is a right is not clear. Sure, there are
>>> certain things which we take for granted -- they are so ingrained in us.
>>> And that is good. But there is no "universal" view on this, and no deity
>>> which has set up rights, nor a universe which has put any such rights
>>> into place. They are man made.
>>>
>>>> I accept your concession of defeat, you may now bask in the glory that
>>>> is the Declaration of Independence.
>>>
>>> They are self-evidence in that we have almost universal agreement on
>>> many. There is no creator to have given us anything, unless you mean
>>> nature itself, and nature cares not one whit about rights.
>>
>> You are out of your gourd.
>>
>> The Framers were Deists, and the least controversial way for them to
>> explain the source of rights was "the Creator".Ā  Whether or not that was
>> a personal god is up for debate, but that's not the point.
>>
>> Ā  From whence _you_, a conscious being, came, so came rights.Ā  If you 
>> want
>> to think of that as the laws of nature, that's fine.Ā  If you want to
>> believe that consciousness isn't miraculous, that's fine too.Ā  The point
>> is that humans are born with rights, and it is one of the most important
>> -- if not the most important -- role of government is to secure and
>> protect those rights.
>>
>> But I think if we were to discuss this definition of rights, we would
>> come to agreement.Ā  But ultimately, that isn't our disagreement.
>>
>> Our disagreement is whether or not human beings are born with the right
>> to personally defend themselves with deadly force.Ā  No amount of
>> quibbling can get around this:Ā  you seem to have decided that a human
>> being's right to defend himself or herself with deadly force is either a)
>> not a right, or b) not a right worth protecting.
>>
>> And let's not have any more of this appeal to what felons may and may not
>> do to try to defend your position.Ā  We take away the ability for felons
>> to exercise certain rights because it is prudent.Ā  Sometimes they aren't
>> allowed to vote, and in all cases I've ever heard of, they can't have
>> actual weapons.Ā  That isn't an argument that they weren't born with those
>> rights, but that the consequences of their convictions is that they can't
>> exercise those rights.
>>
>> I think the most rational and objective view of the situation is that
>> human beings are born with the right to life, and that includes the right
>> to peronsally defend themselves -- yes, even with deadly force, if it
>> comes to that.
>>
>> BTW, Snit, this post isn't really for your benefit -- it is for the
>> benefit of onlookers.
>>
> i promise i on looked

Whew!

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#689828 — "Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2018-06-09 19:02 -0700
Subject"Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--7.02pm.Seattle.2018>
In reply to#689823
"Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful, Scott.

Depressed losers "toss the table" disrupting the game.
Alek Minassian mowed down pedestrians.  He said:

  The Incel Rebellion has begun ! 
  We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys !
  All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger !

Before then, no one suspected him.

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#689844 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-09 20:49 -0700
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<fo3levFs49hU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689823
On 6/9/18 6:32 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 09:30:03 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 6/9/18 9:07 AM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:21:59 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>> Where do rights come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Congress, July 4, 1776.
>>>>> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
>>>>> When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one
>>>>> people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with
>>>>> another,
>>>>> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
>>>>> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,
>>>>> a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
>>>>> declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
>>>>> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
>>>>> unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
>>>>> pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are
>>>>> instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of
>>>>> the governed,
>>>>> --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
>>>>> ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
>>>>> institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles
>>>>> and organizing its powers in such form,
>>>>> as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
>>>>> Happiness.
>>>>
>>>> A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic
>>>> forces or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of
>>>> what we know.
>>>>
>>>> But different cultures at different times see these rights in
>>>> different ways.
>>>
>>> That's got to be one of the vaguest fizzles I've ever read.
>>
>> Then you get the point... what is a right is not clear. Sure, there are
>> certain things which we take for granted -- they are so ingrained in us.
>> And that is good. But there is no "universal" view on this, and no deity
>> which has set up rights, nor a universe which has put any such rights
>> into place. They are man made.
>>
>>> I accept your concession of defeat, you may now bask in the glory that
>>> is the Declaration of Independence.
>>
>> They are self-evidence in that we have almost universal agreement on
>> many. There is no creator to have given us anything, unless you mean
>> nature itself, and nature cares not one whit about rights.
> 
> You are out of your gourd.

Ah, insults. That really pushes your view well!

> The Framers were Deists, and the least controversial way for them to
> explain the source of rights was "the Creator".  Whether or not that was
> a personal god is up for debate, but that's not the point.

Well, as deists that implies a deity. But their belief in one, or not, 
is not really relevant here. I am not asking where they thought rights 
came from -- I am noting my views.

>   From whence _you_, a conscious being, came, so came rights.  If you want
> to think of that as the laws of nature, that's fine.  If you want to
> believe that consciousness isn't miraculous, that's fine too.  The point
> is that humans are born with rights, and it is one of the most important
> -- if not the most important -- role of government is to secure and
> protect those rights.

On some level I agree... I think we all have rights. Sure. But we have 
because we agree we have them (and only to the extent that we, as a 
society, have that basic agreement). They are not there by "nature" -- 
except to the extent that we have this inane view through evolution.

> But I think if we were to discuss this definition of rights, we would
> come to agreement.  But ultimately, that isn't our disagreement.

Whose is it? :)

> Our disagreement is whether or not human beings are born with the right
> to personally defend themselves with deadly force.  No amount of
> quibbling can get around this:  you seem to have decided that a human
> being's right to defend himself or herself with deadly force is either a)
> not a right, or b) not a right worth protecting.

Can you quote where I have said that? Maybe you are thinking of my 
noting of the meaning of the second amendment?

<https://www.livescience.com/26485-second-amendment.html>
-----
James Madison originally proposed the Second Amendment shortly after the 
Constitution was officially ratified as a way to provide more power to 
state militias, which today are considered the National Guard.
-----

Understanding that does not speak to MY view of the right to defend 
oneself. With that said, I absolutely believe our right to arms, like 
ALL our rights, is limited (and even the SCOTUS agrees with that).

> And let's not have any more of this appeal to what felons may and may not
> do to try to defend your position. 

You are jumping to law, now, and not to my view of the right to defense. 
Why?

But since you have: there was a time when felons were not denied legal 
access to guns. Now they are. This is clearly an infringement. For those 
who push the idea that ALL people should have access to guns it is 
contrary to that view.

> We take away the ability for felons
> to exercise certain rights because it is prudent.

Same with other laws about arms. Sure. People cannot have nukes and 
ricin and dirty bombs, for example, and there are some very strong 
limits on many fully automatic weapons and on working tanks and on 
dynamite and more.

> Sometimes they aren't
> allowed to vote, and in all cases I've ever heard of, they can't have
> actual weapons. 

They can have MANY weapons. They cannot (legally) have guns.

> That isn't an argument that they weren't born with those
> rights, but that the consequences of their convictions is that they can't
> exercise those rights.

If they are "natural" then how can other people take those rights away?

Seems you are backing my view of rights being an agreement of society.

> I think the most rational and objective view of the situation is that
> human beings are born with the right to life, and that includes the right
> to peronsally defend themselves -- yes, even with deadly force, if it
> comes to that.

Those are different things. Also interesting how you tie rights to 
birth. I know many who are against abortions who would disagree with you.

> BTW, Snit, this post isn't really for your benefit -- it is for the
> benefit of onlookers.

You are an odd duck.


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#689695 — Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ?

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2018-06-09 12:21 -0700
SubjectDepressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ?
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.9--0.21pm.Seattle.2018>
In reply to#689661
Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ?

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#688849 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 02:18 -0400
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<pf5aq9$u6d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688275

"Jeff-Relf.Me  @." wrote in message 
news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018...
>> > Militia.  Bear arms.  These words have meaning.
>>
>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations,
>> not limitations.  This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*.
>
> The Supreme Court got it wrong.
>
> Americans may keep and bear Arms    For    The   State's   Militia  .

Excuse me, but I can't seem to find that condition in the 2nd. Nor would the 
structure of the sentence allow the opening nominative absolute to establish 
such a connection since a nominative absolute has no grammatical connection 
to the rest of the sentence.

> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

And yet, he was likely included in most of legal definitions for the 
composition of the militia as defined in both federal and state statutes. 

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#688877 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 06:25 -0700
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<fnnhabFbpqgU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688849
On 6/4/18 11:18 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Jeff-Relf.MeĀ  @." wrote in message 
> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018...
>>> > Militia.Ā  Bear arms.Ā  These words have meaning.
>>>
>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations,
>>> not limitations.Ā  This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*.
>>
>> The Supreme Court got it wrong.
>>
>> Americans may keep and bear ArmsĀ Ā Ā  ForĀ Ā Ā  TheĀ Ā  State'sĀ Ā  MilitiaĀ  .
> 
> Excuse me, but I can't seem to find that condition in the 2nd.

Can you quote the full second amendment? Keep in mind that the modern 
individual right interpretation did not show up in any law until 2008.

> Nor would 
> the structure of the sentence allow the opening nominative absolute to 
> establish such a connection since a nominative absolute has no 
> grammatical connection to the rest of the sentence.

What do you think the value of that clause is? And why do you think they 
used the phrase "bear arms" when it includes that same context?

>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
>> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
> 
> And yet, he was likely included in most of legal definitions for the 
> composition of the militia as defined in both federal and state statutes.


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#688977 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 18:38 -0400
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<pf73v4$nuq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688877

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnnhabFbpqgU3@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/4/18 11:18 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Jeff-Relf.Me  @." wrote in message 
>> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018...
>>>> > Militia.  Bear arms.  These words have meaning.
>>>>
>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations,
>>>> not limitations.  This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*.
>>>
>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong.
>>>
>>> Americans may keep and bear Arms    For    The   State's   Militia  .
>>
>> Excuse me, but I can't seem to find that condition in the 2nd.
>
> Can you quote the full second amendment?

Yes, and doesn't alter in the least what I said above.

>Keep in mind that the modern individual right interpretation did not show 
>up in any law until 2008.

It has existed long before that, even if we only look at cases before 
SCOTUS.

Indeed we can track the individual right interpretation right back to 
quotations by the founding fathers during the time of ratification. If they 
didn't know what it meant, then clearly we have a problem, and it would 
apply to the entire Constitution because according to you they had no idea 
of what they were saying.

>> Nor would the structure of the sentence allow the opening nominative 
>> absolute to establish such a connection since a nominative absolute has 
>> no grammatical connection to the rest of the sentence.
>
> What do you think the value of that clause is?

A reason, and specifically a very important reason, for why this right MUST 
be protected. For to have the well regulated militia necessary to secure the 
free state, there MUST exist a generally armed populous upon which to draw 
from when such a militia is needed. Without that armed populous the 
formation of that well regulated militia would be impossible. Further we 
know from the discussions that they did NOT wish to place that power within 
the hands of the government for the well founded fear that governments, in 
time, use those forces not to preserve the free state, but rather to impose 
tyranny and oppression.

Remember they just finished fighting regular government troops trying to 
impose and maintain such tyranny and oppression upon them.

What it does NOT do, is impose any conditions, limits, restrictions, etc 
upon the main clause in which the right of the people is protected from 
infringement.



> And why do you think they used the phrase "bear arms" when it includes 
> that same context?

Sorry, but simply bearing arms does not require or even imply one is doing 
so for a military purpose. I may bear arms for my own self defense, and I've 
already quoted a Founding Father saying such in a quotation from the time of 
ratification.


>>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
>>> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
>>
>> And yet, he was likely included in most of legal definitions for the 
>> composition of the militia as defined in both federal and state statutes.
>

<crickets>
 

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#689002 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<fnolgoFbpqgU21@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688977
On 6/5/18 3:38 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnnhabFbpqgU3@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/4/18 11:18 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff-Relf.MeĀ  @." wrote in message 
>>> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018...
>>>>> > Militia.Ā  Bear arms.Ā  These words have meaning.
>>>>>
>>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations,
>>>>> not limitations.Ā  This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*.
>>>>
>>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Americans may keep and bear ArmsĀ Ā Ā  ForĀ Ā Ā  TheĀ Ā  State'sĀ Ā  MilitiaĀ  .
>>>
>>> Excuse me, but I can't seem to find that condition in the 2nd.
>>
>> Can you quote the full second amendment?
> 
> Yes, and doesn't alter in the least what I said above.

Let's test this: quote the full second amendment without speaking of the 
context of the importance of the militia.

This should be interesting!

>> Keep in mind that the modern individual right interpretation did not 
>> show up in any law until 2008.
> 
> It has existed long before that, even if we only look at cases before 
> SCOTUS.
> 
> Indeed we can track the individual right interpretation right back to 
> quotations by the founding fathers during the time of ratification.

They held many views on things... and did not agree with each other or 
even themselves in different times. Like modern politicians you can find 
quotes from them saying things that will please the crowd they speak to. 
If anything the media shared it less then and it was harder to compare!

> If 
> they didn't know what it meant, then clearly we have a problem, and it 
> would apply to the entire Constitution because according to you they had 
> no idea of what they were saying.

This is a direct lie about my views. It is quite telling that to try to 
back your views you feel the need to lie.

>>> Nor would the structure of the sentence allow the opening nominative 
>>> absolute to establish such a connection since a nominative absolute 
>>> has no grammatical connection to the rest of the sentence.
>>
>> What do you think the value of that clause is?
> 
> A reason, and specifically a very important reason, for why this right 
> MUST be protected.

Ah, so it provides the context. And outside of that context the right is 
not talked about. Interesting.

> For to have the well regulated militia necessary to 
> secure the free state, there MUST exist a generally armed populous upon 
> which to draw from when such a militia is needed.

There are some scholars who back that view. Most do not. Here, I will 
let you do your own search to avoid bias:

<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=second+amendment+history>

> Without that armed 
> populous the formation of that well regulated militia would be 
> impossible. Further we know from the discussions that they did NOT wish 
> to place that power within the hands of the government for the well 
> founded fear that governments, in time, use those forces not to preserve 
> the free state, but rather to impose tyranny and oppression.

They also had no issue that we can see with laws that limited arms in 
many ways.

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr

| A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
| in place during the Founding Era. Militia
| regulations were the most common form of laws
| pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
| intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
| track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
| report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
| Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
| were also common. States prohibited the use of
| firearms on certain occasions and in certain
| locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
| disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
| Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
| population during the Founding Era.
...
| Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
| firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
| providing for the confiscation of firearms from
| persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
| the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
| within the context of militia obligations, and
| statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
| smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
| the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
| statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
| hardly a modern invention.

> Remember they just finished fighting regular government troops trying to 
> impose and maintain such tyranny and oppression upon them.
> 
> What it does NOT do, is impose any conditions, limits, restrictions, etc 
> upon the main clause in which the right of the people is protected from 
> infringement.

A claim you make without support. Sure.

>> And why do you think they used the phrase "bear arms" when it includes 
>> that same context?
> 
> Sorry, but simply bearing arms does not require or even imply one is 
> doing so for a military purpose. I may bear arms for my own self 
> defense, and I've already quoted a Founding Father saying such in a 
> quotation from the time of ratification.

Can you show ANY evidence of your view on that? Showing evidence of the 
contrary is trivial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html
-----
A search of Brigham Young University’s new online Corpus of Founding Era 
American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 million words, 
yields 281 instances of the phrase ā€œbear arms.ā€ BYU’s Corpus of Early 
Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close to 1.3 billion words, shows 
1,572 instances of the phrase. Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, 
that leaves about 1,500 separate occurrences of ā€œbear armsā€ in the 17th 
and 18th centuries, and only a handful don’t refer to war, soldiering or 
organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural 
meaning of ā€œbear armsā€ in the framers’ day was military. But we 
shouldn’t need big data to tell us this. ā€œBear armsā€ has never worked 
comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or 
target practice.
-----

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#689100 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 23:16 -0400
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<pf7jmt$5bd$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#689002

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnolgoFbpqgU21@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/5/18 3:38 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>> news:fnnhabFbpqgU3@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 6/4/18 11:18 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff-Relf.Me  @." wrote in message 
>>>> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018...
>>>>>> > Militia.  Bear arms.  These words have meaning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations,
>>>>>> not limitations.  This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Americans may keep and bear Arms    For    The   State's   Militia  .
>>>>
>>>> Excuse me, but I can't seem to find that condition in the 2nd.
>>>
>>> Can you quote the full second amendment?
>>
>> Yes, and doesn't alter in the least what I said above.
>
> Let's test this: quote the full second amendment without speaking of the 
> context of the importance of the militia.
>
> This should be interesting!
>
>>> Keep in mind that the modern individual right interpretation did not 
>>> show up in any law until 2008.
>>
>> It has existed long before that, even if we only look at cases before 
>> SCOTUS.
>>
>> Indeed we can track the individual right interpretation right back to 
>> quotations by the founding fathers during the time of ratification.
>
> They held many views on things... and did not agree with each other or 
> even themselves in different times. Like modern politicians you can find 
> quotes from them saying things that will please the crowd they speak to. 
> If anything the media shared it less then and it was harder to compare!

So you admit that the individual view was indeed expressed at that time 
despite your claims to the contrary.


>> If they didn't know what it meant, then clearly we have a problem, and it 
>> would apply to the entire Constitution because according to you they had 
>> no idea of what they were saying.
>
> This is a direct lie about my views.

On the contrary, you claim they never expressed the view you now concede 
that they did. So the only lies are yours.

> It is quite telling that to try to back your views you feel the need to 
> lie.

Your lies are quite reveling.

>>>> Nor would the structure of the sentence allow the opening nominative 
>>>> absolute to establish such a connection since a nominative absolute has 
>>>> no grammatical connection to the rest of the sentence.
>>>
>>> What do you think the value of that clause is?
>>
>> A reason, and specifically a very important reason, for why this right 
>> MUST be protected.
>
> Ah, so it provides the context. And outside of that context the right is 
> not talked about. Interesting.

Sure, for the militia to exist the right of the people to keep and bear arms 
must be protected.

The context is that of a right that applies to individuals outside of any 
militia activity.



>
>> For to have the well regulated militia necessary to secure the free 
>> state, there MUST exist a generally armed populous upon which to draw 
>> from when such a militia is needed.
>
> There are some scholars who back that view. Most do not. Here, I will let 
> you do your own search to avoid bias:
>
> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=second+amendment+history>

IOW, you want me to do your research for you.

>> Without that armed populous the formation of that well regulated militia 
>> would be impossible. Further we know from the discussions that they did 
>> NOT wish to place that power within the hands of the government for the 
>> well founded fear that governments, in time, use those forces not to 
>> preserve the free state, but rather to impose tyranny and oppression.
>
> They also had no issue that we can see with laws that limited arms in many 
> ways.
>
> http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr


Sure, but at the time the 2nd Amendment didn't apply, and I challenge the 
contention that just because such laws existed they were seen as something 
that would be acceptable to all.

> | A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
> | in place during the Founding Era. Militia
> | regulations were the most common form of laws
> | pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
> | intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
> | track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
> | report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
> | Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
> | were also common. States prohibited the use of
> | firearms on certain occasions and in certain
> | locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
> | disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
> | Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
> | population during the Founding Era.
> ...
> | Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
> | firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
> | providing for the confiscation of firearms from
> | persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
> | the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
> | within the context of militia obligations, and
> | statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
> | smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
> | the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
> | statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
> | hardly a modern invention.
>
>> Remember they just finished fighting regular government troops trying to 
>> impose and maintain such tyranny and oppression upon them.
>>
>> What it does NOT do, is impose any conditions, limits, restrictions, etc 
>> upon the main clause in which the right of the people is protected from 
>> infringement.
>
> A claim you make without support. Sure.
>
>>> And why do you think they used the phrase "bear arms" when it includes 
>>> that same context?
>>
>> Sorry, but simply bearing arms does not require or even imply one is 
>> doing so for a military purpose. I may bear arms for my own self defense, 
>> and I've already quoted a Founding Father saying such in a quotation from 
>> the time of ratification.
>
> Can you show ANY evidence of your view on that? Showing evidence of the 
> contrary is trivial.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html

You just posted cites to the very facts you claim to need and the assertion 
SCOTUS was wrong doesn't establish that it was.

After all cites were provided, if you only bothered to check the evidence as 
you've claim to have done.
 

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#689118 — Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
SubjectRe: The Supreme Court got it wrong.
Message-ID<fnp4ohFbpqgU45@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689100
On 6/5/18 8:16 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnolgoFbpqgU21@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/5/18 3:38 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:fnnhabFbpqgU3@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 6/4/18 11:18 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeff-Relf.MeĀ  @." wrote in message 
>>>>> news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.51am.Seattle.2018...
>>>>>>> > Militia.Ā  Bear arms.Ā  These words have meaning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations,
>>>>>>> not limitations.Ā  This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Supreme Court got it wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Americans may keep and bear ArmsĀ Ā Ā  ForĀ Ā Ā  TheĀ Ā  State'sĀ Ā  MilitiaĀ  .
>>>>>
>>>>> Excuse me, but I can't seem to find that condition in the 2nd.
>>>>
>>>> Can you quote the full second amendment?
>>>
>>> Yes, and doesn't alter in the least what I said above.
>>
>> Let's test this: quote the full second amendment without speaking of 
>> the context of the importance of the militia.
>>
>> This should be interesting!

Of note: you failed this.

>>>> Keep in mind that the modern individual right interpretation did not 
>>>> show up in any law until 2008.
>>>
>>> It has existed long before that, even if we only look at cases before 
>>> SCOTUS.
>>>
>>> Indeed we can track the individual right interpretation right back to 
>>> quotations by the founding fathers during the time of ratification.
>>
>> They held many views on things... and did not agree with each other or 
>> even themselves in different times. Like modern politicians you can 
>> find quotes from them saying things that will please the crowd they 
>> speak to. If anything the media shared it less then and it was harder 
>> to compare!
> 
> So you admit that the individual view was indeed expressed at that time 
> despite your claims to the contrary.

Please quote where you think I said nobody held such a view at the time?

>>> If they didn't know what it meant, then clearly we have a problem, 
>>> and it would apply to the entire Constitution because according to 
>>> you they had no idea of what they were saying.
>>
>> This is a direct lie about my views.
> 
> On the contrary, you claim they never expressed the view you now concede 
> that they did. So the only lies are yours.

I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied what you attributed to me. 
You lied. This is not a debate it is simply a statement of fact.

>> It is quite telling that to try to back your views you feel the need 
>> to lie.
> 
> Your lies are quite reveling.

Here you engage in a common tactic of those who troll: on being caught 
doing wrong (lying in this case) you seek to put me on the defensive. 
Not biting.

>>>>> Nor would the structure of the sentence allow the opening 
>>>>> nominative absolute to establish such a connection since a 
>>>>> nominative absolute has no grammatical connection to the rest of 
>>>>> the sentence.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think the value of that clause is?
>>>
>>> A reason, and specifically a very important reason, for why this 
>>> right MUST be protected.
>>
>> Ah, so it provides the context. And outside of that context the right 
>> is not talked about. Interesting.
> 
> Sure, for the militia to exist the right of the people to keep and bear 
> arms must be protected.
> 
> The context is that of a right that applies to individuals outside of 
> any militia activity.

Do you think it applies to all "individuals"?
Do you think convicted felons are "individuals"?

>>> For to have the well regulated militia necessary to secure the free 
>>> state, there MUST exist a generally armed populous upon which to draw 
>>> from when such a militia is needed.
>>
>> There are some scholars who back that view. Most do not. Here, I will 
>> let you do your own search to avoid bias:
>>
>> <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=second+amendment+history>
> 
> IOW, you want me to do your research for you.

This is a direct twist of what I said. Elsewhere you accused me of 
cherry picking. Here I did not pick at all.. and you complain about 
that, too.

This shows you are debating just to debate -- that no matter which 
action I take you will claim it is wrong. Here were the top four 
relevant hits I found when I did that search:

1) 
https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview

| First, the second amendment was passed as an
| assurance to the states that they would have the
| right to maintain their own militias. Such
| militias were to be used as the centerpiece of the
| nation's military power, as an alternative to a
| large standing army, as a tool for the states to
| ensure public order, and as a means for the states
| to defend against the encroachment of federal
| power.
|
| Second, the second amendment does not operate as a
| restraint on the states. It acts as a restraint on the
| federal government.
|
| Third, there is no substantial historical evidence for
| the claim that the second amendment guarantees an
| individual right to have arms for any purpose other
| than participation in a state-regulated militia.
|
| Fourth, as long as federal gun laws do not adversely
| affect the organized state militias, these laws should
| encounter no second amendment problems.
|
| Fifth, because the state militias no longer rely on
| the use of privately-owned firearms by their active
| members, federal regulation of private gun ownership
| poses no threat to state militias, and therefore
| raises no constitutional issue. This is demonstrated
| by the remarkable unanimity of federal and state
| courts in upholding the constitutional validity of
| firearms laws against second amendment challenges.

2) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1105369

| This article argues that the second amendment was
| initially proposed and passed in response to some
| antifederalist fears of a standing army. The
| thrust of the Amendment was to prevent the
| national government from disarming the state
| militias. Similarly, the Amendment allowed the
| states to arm their own militias if Congress
| failed to do so under its Article I, Section 8
| powers. The article notes that Madison and other
| Federalists who wrote the Second Amendment were
| fully aware of demands for an amendment to protect
| an individual's right to own weapons, and that the
| framers of the Second Amendment emphatically
| rejected this concept.

3) https://famguardian.org/Subjects/GunControl/Research/Reviews/rwstand.htm

| The contemporary meaning of the Second Amendment
| is the same as it was at the time of its adoption.
| The federal government may regulate the National
| Guard, but may not disarm it against the will of
| state legislatures. Nothing in the Second
| Amendment, however, precludes Congress or the
| states from requiring licensing and registration
| of firearms; in fact, there is nothing to stop an
| outright congressional ban on private ownership of
| all handguns and all rifles.

4) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114

| Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason
| to believe that, in significant part, James
| Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his
| constituents in Virginia, and the South generally,
| that Congress could not use its newly-acquired
| powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by
| disarming the militia, on which the South relied
| for slave control.

>>> Without that armed populous the formation of that well regulated 
>>> militia would be impossible. Further we know from the discussions 
>>> that they did NOT wish to place that power within the hands of the 
>>> government for the well founded fear that governments, in time, use 
>>> those forces not to preserve the free state, but rather to impose 
>>> tyranny and oppression.
>>
>> They also had no issue that we can see with laws that limited arms in 
>> many ways.
>>
>> http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr
> 
> 
> Sure, but at the time the 2nd Amendment didn't apply, and I challenge 
> the contention that just because such laws existed they were seen as 
> something that would be acceptable to all.

Laws exist now to limit your access and use of arms: background checks 
and laws preventing felons from having guns, laws preventing you from 
having explosives except in specific situations, laws to stop you from 
having machine guns and ricin and dirty bombs and more.

>> | A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
>> | in place during the Founding Era. Militia
>> | regulations were the most common form of laws
>> | pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
>> | intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
>> | track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
>> | report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
>> | Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
>> | were also common. States prohibited the use of
>> | firearms on certain occasions and in certain
>> | locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
>> | disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
>> | Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
>> | population during the Founding Era.
>> ...
>> | Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
>> | firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
>> | providing for the confiscation of firearms from
>> | persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
>> | the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
>> | within the context of militia obligations, and
>> | statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
>> | smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
>> | the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
>> | statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
>> | hardly a modern invention.
>>
>>> Remember they just finished fighting regular government troops trying 
>>> to impose and maintain such tyranny and oppression upon them.
>>>
>>> What it does NOT do, is impose any conditions, limits, restrictions, 
>>> etc upon the main clause in which the right of the people is 
>>> protected from infringement.
>>
>> A claim you make without support. Sure.
>>
>>>> And why do you think they used the phrase "bear arms" when it 
>>>> includes that same context?
>>>
>>> Sorry, but simply bearing arms does not require or even imply one is 
>>> doing so for a military purpose. I may bear arms for my own self 
>>> defense, and I've already quoted a Founding Father saying such in a 
>>> quotation from the time of ratification.
>>
>> Can you show ANY evidence of your view on that? Showing evidence of 
>> the contrary is trivial.
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html 
>>
> 
> You just posted cites to the very facts you claim to need and the 
> assertion SCOTUS was wrong doesn't establish that it was.

You might think such judicial activism is right or wrong -- that is a 
matter of opinion.

> After all cites were provided, if you only bothered to check the 
> evidence as you've claim to have done.

I have checked the evidence and, thus, your claim is inaccurate.


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#688290 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers.

FromCheckmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-02 09:46 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers.
Message-ID<MPG.357c69badf7940e6993bee@news.altopia.com>
In reply to#688232
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by 
Checkmate!  In article <fnemv5FsksjU3@mid.individual.net>, 
vallor@cultnix.org says...


> 
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:00:54 -0700, Snit wrote:
> 
> > On 6/1/18 9:54 PM, vallor wrote:
> >> On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:53:44 -0400, Scout wrote:
> >> 
> >>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:fnecu9Fr49cU3@mid.individual.net...
> >> 
> >> 
> >>>> The second amendment specifically mentions the militia and NO other
> >>>> context.
> >>>
> >>> Bullshit. It mentions the context of the right of the people.
> >>>
> >>> Which right, BTW, is not tied to ANY militia context.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> >> State, the right of the *PEOPLE* to *KEEP* and *BEAR* Arms, shall not
> >> be infringed.  [emph. added]
> >> 
> >> *PEOPLE*
> >> 
> >> Now get back in your clown car, Snit.
> >> 
> > Militia.
> > 
> > Bear arms.
> > 
> > Those words and terms have meaning.
> 
> The SC has determined that the clauses in question are explanations, not 
> limitations.  This is a *RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*.
> 
> But you already knew that, didn't you?  That's what I like about you:  
> your attention to detail.

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#688247 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-02 01:53 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers.
Message-ID<petbkb$atj$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688229

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnemk6Fsn82U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/1/18 9:54 PM, vallor wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:53:44 -0400, Scout wrote:
>>
>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fnecu9Fr49cU3@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>
>>>> The second amendment specifically mentions the militia and NO other
>>>> context.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. It mentions the context of the right of the people.
>>>
>>> Which right, BTW, is not tied to ANY militia context.
>>>
>>
>> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>> State, the right of the *PEOPLE* to *KEEP* and *BEAR* Arms, shall not be
>> infringed.  [emph. added]
>>
>> *PEOPLE*
>>
>> Now get back in your clown car, Snit.
>>
> Militia.

Sub-group of the people.

Oh, and the PEOPLE have the right to keep and bear arms.

>
> Bear arms.

To carry weapons

> Those words and terms have meaning.

Yea, and you apparently don't care what they really are.
 

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#688256 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers.
Message-ID<fneqrgFtdvgU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688247
On 6/1/18 10:53 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnemk6Fsn82U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/1/18 9:54 PM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:53:44 -0400, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fnecu9Fr49cU3@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The second amendment specifically mentions the militia and NO other
>>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. It mentions the context of the right of the people.
>>>>
>>>> Which right, BTW, is not tied to ANY militia context.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
>>> State, the right of the *PEOPLE* to *KEEP* and *BEAR* Arms, shall not be
>>> infringed.Ā  [emph. added]
>>>
>>> *PEOPLE*
>>>
>>> Now get back in your clown car, Snit.
>>>
>> Militia.
> 
> Sub-group of the people.
> 
> Oh, and the PEOPLE have the right to keep and bear arms.
> 
>>
>> Bear arms.
> 
> To carry weapons
> 
>> Those words and terms have meaning.
> 
> Yea, and you apparently don't care what they really are.
> 
> 
Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html
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A search of Brigham Young University’s new online Corpus of Founding Era 
American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 million words, 
yields 281 instances of the phrase ā€œbear arms.ā€ BYU’s Corpus of Early 
Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close to 1.3 billion words, shows 
1,572 instances of the phrase. Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, 
that leaves about 1,500 separate occurrences of ā€œbear armsā€ in the 17th 
and 18th centuries, and only a handful don’t refer to war, soldiering or 
organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural 
meaning of ā€œbear armsā€ in the framers’ day was military. But we 
shouldn’t need big data to tell us this. ā€œBear armsā€ has never worked 
comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or 
target practice.
-----

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#688235 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers.

Frommixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie>
Date2018-06-02 01:20 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers.
Message-ID<pet9ef$1kd1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#688228
On 6/2/2018 12:54 AM, vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:53:44 -0400, Scout wrote:
>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
>> news:fnecu9Fr49cU3@mid.individual.net...
> 
>>> The second amendment specifically mentions the militia and NO other
>>> context.
>>
>> Bullshit. It mentions the context of the right of the people.
>>
>> Which right, BTW, is not tied to ANY militia context.
>>
> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
> State, the right of the *PEOPLE* to *KEEP* and *BEAR* Arms, shall not be
> infringed.  [emph. added]
> 
> *PEOPLE*
> 
> Now get back in your clown car, Snit.

As long as them arm bearers hit the town green at 0400 all spitshined 
and polished and spend the rest of the weekend crawling through the mud 
and eating soup boiled up in 55 gallon drums in the snowdrifts, and 
climbing ropes and digging foxholes and spot-painting they M-35A1s, and 
getting yelled at by drill sergeants, I got no problem with 'em open 
carrying with ammo belts and tactical underwear and tire stabbing 
bayonets yelling KILL! KILL! KILL!!! until they're hoarse.

-- 
Grizzly H.

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#688273 — Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2018-06-02 06:27 -0700
SubjectSlaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.2--6.27am.Seattle.2018>
In reply to#688228
> A well regulated Militia [ no comma ]
> being necessary to the security of a free State, ...

Or, more clearly: " For The State's Militia, ... "

Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

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#688294 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-02 10:14 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fng1k1F662sU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688273
On 6/2/18 6:27 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>> A well regulated Militia [ no comma ]
>> being necessary to the security of a free State, ...
> 
> Or, more clearly: " For The State's Militia, ... "
> 
> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
> 
And when stating "no comma", keep in mind there were something like 
seven different versions of the second amendment with different commas 
and capitalization.

Bottom line: many people want their boom sticks to not be treated like 
every other dangerous tool out their. They want special entitlements. 
They then look for excuses to say these special entitlements are their 
"rights".

It is utter hogwash.

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#688296 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromKlaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net>
Date2018-06-02 10:38 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<rfl5hd5lpeptstffvnd3u9jhngdjc4tjd3@4ax.com>
In reply to#688294
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 10:14:41 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>On 6/2/18 6:27 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> A well regulated Militia [ no comma ]
>>> being necessary to the security of a free State, ...
>> 
>> Or, more clearly: " For The State's Militia, ... "
>> 
>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
>> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
>> 
>And when stating "no comma", keep in mind there were something like 
>seven different versions of the second amendment with different commas 
>and capitalization.

Cool- how many of the say "The right of the state"????

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#688305 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-02 10:57 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fng452F6me4U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688296
On 6/2/18 10:38 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 10:14:41 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/2/18 6:27 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>> A well regulated Militia [ no comma ]
>>>> being necessary to the security of a free State, ...
>>>
>>> Or, more clearly: " For The State's Militia, ... "
>>>
>>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
>>> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
>>>
>> And when stating "no comma", keep in mind there were something like
>> seven different versions of the second amendment with different commas
>> and capitalization.
> 
> Cool- how many of the say "The right of the state"????
> 
I do not think that phrase is in the constitution but would have to 
check. Why?

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#688320 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromKlaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net>
Date2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<ecv5hdl9n7g5tj6tlk24aedp2nvlk6n5bc@4ax.com>
In reply to#688305
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 10:57:54 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>On 6/2/18 10:38 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 10:14:41 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/2/18 6:27 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>>> A well regulated Militia [ no comma ]
>>>>> being necessary to the security of a free State, ...
>>>>
>>>> Or, more clearly: " For The State's Militia, ... "
>>>>
>>>> Clearly, no "Militia" should include depressed gunmen
>>>> slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
>>>>
>>> And when stating "no comma", keep in mind there were something like
>>> seven different versions of the second amendment with different commas
>>> and capitalization.
>> 
>> Cool- how many of the say "The right of the state"????
>> 
>I do not think that phrase is in the constitution 

Correct.

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