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Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children!

Started bybenj <benj@nobody.net>
First post2018-05-31 02:37 -0400
Last post2018-06-03 09:06 -0700
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  Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 02:37 -0400
    Re:Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-31 09:16 +0200
      Re: Chelsea Handler says here armed guards don't kill children! benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 03:51 -0400
    Slaughtering concert goers. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-31 05:22 -0700
      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 12:06 -0400
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 10:02 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 15:49 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-31 20:12 +0000
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 17:20 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 16:37 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 19:57 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 17:12 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 21:38 -0400
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:32 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:42 -0400
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:54 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:22 -0400
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:36 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:07 -0400
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:31 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:47 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 08:50 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 22:53 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:39 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:16 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:29 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:43 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:33 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0400
      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-05-31 19:49 -0500
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-05-31 17:51 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:26 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:39 -0400
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:13 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 03:21 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:46 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 08:12 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:27 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 11:59 -0700
                      Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄ Slaughtering concert goers. ❄ Snowflake ❄ Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 14:07 -0500
                        Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 18:50 -0700
                          Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:00 -0700
                            Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                              Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:29 -0700
                                Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:47 -0700
                                  Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:18 -0700
                                    Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 09:14 -0700
                                      Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:48 -0700
                                        Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:28 -0700
                                          Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:14 -0400
                                            Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                                  Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄ ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? ❄ Snowflake ❄ Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-02 08:15 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 12:30 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 17:09 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:37 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:00 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:14 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:09 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:48 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 04:53 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:11 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:12 -0400
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 00:47 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:05 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:31 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:01 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:39 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:16 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:14 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:35 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:19 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:40 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:26 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:11 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:36 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:32 -0400
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:03 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0400
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:26 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:01 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:08 -0500
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:40 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:35 -0400
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:15 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:53 -0400
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:09 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:51 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:12 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 04:54 +0000
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:00 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 05:06 +0000
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:09 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:54 -0400
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                            The Supreme Court got it wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-02 06:51 -0700
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 11:59 -0400
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:43 -0700
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:25 -0400
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:28 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 19:45 -0400
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:08 -0600
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 23:24 -0700
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:12 -0700
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:15 -0700
                                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:37 -0700
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:48 -0700
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:00 -0700
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:32 -0700
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0700
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 21:38 -0400
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:49 -0700
                                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:49 +0000
                                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:45 -0700
                                        Permission to breath ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-02 19:10 -0700
                                          Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:13 -0700
                                            Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
                                              Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 20:10 -0700
                                                Re: Permission to breath ? Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2018-06-02 20:36 -0700
                                                Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:53 -0700
                                              Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 23:33 -0400
                                                Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:42 -0700
                                                  Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:57 -0400
                                                    Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:08 -0700
                                          Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
                                            Clarity. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-03 08:52 -0700
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:46 +0000
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:53 -0700
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 22:59 -0700
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 23:19 -0700
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 09:10 -0700
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:31 -0400
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:12 +0000
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:26 -0400
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:37 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:10 -0400
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:54 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 22:19 -0500
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 20:58 -0700
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 00:24 -0400
                                          Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 05:43 +0000
                                            Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 07:17 +0000
                                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:21 -0700
                                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 16:07 +0000
                                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:30 -0700
                                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 01:32 +0000
                                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:34 -0700
                                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:50 -0700
                                                      "Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 19:02 -0700
                                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:49 -0700
                                                  Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 12:21 -0700
                              Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 02:18 -0400
                                Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:25 -0700
                                  Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:38 -0400
                                    Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
                                      Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:16 -0400
                                        Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 09:46 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:53 -0400
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-02 01:20 -0400
                        Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-02 06:27 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:14 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:38 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:57 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:29 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:57 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:25 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:53 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:29 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:09 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 21:02 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:32 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:59 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:02 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:38 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:53 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:04 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:16 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:33 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:38 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:44 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 13:14 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 13:17 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 13:21 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:40 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:47 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:57 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:05 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:13 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:40 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:44 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:39 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:37 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:54 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:01 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:02 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:13 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:39 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:54 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:05 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:41 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:48 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:07 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:14 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:17 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:21 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-03 20:11 -0500
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:20 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:43 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:45 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:40 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 12:03 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 12:05 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 00:47 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:11 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:21 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 20:37 -0400
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:30 -0400
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:11 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 17:59 -0400
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 15:05 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:44 -0400
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:12 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:27 -0400
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:47 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-04 23:47 -0400
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:51 -0500
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:19 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:06 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 09:37 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:51 +0000
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:18 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:50 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:09 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:32 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:35 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:48 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 07:48 -0500
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:27 -0500
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:30 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 08:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:32 -0500
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:33 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:34 -0500
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:54 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:51 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:45 -0500
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:15 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:41 -0400
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:11 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:17 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:50 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0400
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:23 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:01 -0400
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:32 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:06 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 05:15 +0000
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:49 -0500
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:11 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:30 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:06 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:50 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:07 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:25 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:37 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:51 -0400
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:00 -0500
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 06:26 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:28 -0400
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:12 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:27 -0400
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:07 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:44 -0400
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:19 -0600
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:23 -0600
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:31 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 22:09 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:48 -0400
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:47 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:44 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:10 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:19 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 23:53 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:57 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:22 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:30 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-04 02:48 -0500
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:58 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:19 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 20:56 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:26 +0000
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:45 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:30 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:30 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:00 -0600
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:45 -0500
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0500
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:48 -0500
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:15 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 15:20 -0500
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:55 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:34 -0500
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:52 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 22:57 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:09 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:52 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 20:14 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:29 -0500
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:20 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:16 -0500
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 06:25 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:30 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:32 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:34 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:07 -0600
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:27 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 17:07 -0600
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 16:18 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 16:46 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 17:04 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:13 -0500
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 20:16 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:41 -0500
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 02:29 -0600
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:50 -0500
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:41 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:38 -0600
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:01 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 12:55 -0500
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 07:58 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 11:56 -0700
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-06-05 14:58 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 12:17 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:02 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:45 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:51 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:56 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:02 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:47 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:51 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-05 22:44 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:04 -0400
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:50 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:05 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:11 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:20 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:42 -0400
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:46 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:46 -0400
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:45 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:13 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:36 -0400
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:07 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:01 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:08 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:29 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:02 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:07 -0700
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:44 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:52 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-09 02:13 -0400
                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 23:20 -0700
                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 06:22 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:16 +0000
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 08:28 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 09:23 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:51 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 10:29 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 20:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 21:08 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-10 14:33 -0700
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 14:54 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:56 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:25 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 13:42 -0600
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:32 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 16:24 -0600
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:34 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 17:31 -0600
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 23:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:57 -0700
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:59 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:53 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:22 -0400
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:32 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:22 -0400
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
                                                                      Truth Avoidance. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-09 12:11 -0700
                                                                        Re: Truth Avoidance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:33 -0700
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:09 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:20 -0400
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 21:12 +0000
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:31 -0700
                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 18:41 -0400
                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 15:46 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
                                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:43 -0700
                                                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:50 -0700
                                                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 17:08 -0700
                                                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 17:11 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:32 -0700
                                                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:55 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:53 -0700
                                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 00:16 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 02:01 -0700
                                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:03 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:06 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:33 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:11 -0700
                                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:17 -0700
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
                                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-07 05:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 22:05 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:05 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:46 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:23 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:26 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:09 -0400
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:52 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:08 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:18 -0500
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:14 -0700
                                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 11:55 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:07 -0400
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:50 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:12 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:56 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:07 -0700
                                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:38 -0700
                                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
                                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:45 -0700
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:18 -0700
                                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:17 -0500
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:10 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus  Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:01 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:36 -0500
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0400
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:39 -0700
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 13:29 -0400
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 11:09 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 17:20 -0400
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 14:35 -0700
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:08 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0700
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:26 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:42 -0700
                          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:32 -0700
                            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:37 -0400
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
                              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 17:57 -0700
                                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:30 -0700
                                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:51 -0700
                                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:32 -0700
                        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:09 -0400
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:12 -0600
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:53 -0700
        Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:59 -0600
          Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:02 -0700
            Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:24 -0600
              Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:01 -0700
                Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 19:51 -0400
                  Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:56 -0700
                    Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 20:21 -0400
                      Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:24 -0700
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#688820 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnmi0dFdcfbU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688808
max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
> In news:fnkagsF667U1@mid.individual.net,
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
> 
>> On 6/4/18 12:47 AM, max headroom wrote:
>> ...
>>>> I have no idea what game you are playing... nor the rules of how one
>>>> wins or loses. Cannot say I really care. Here is, on the topic, much
>>>> of what I do care about:
> 
>>>> * The meaning / usage  of "bear arms" (pretty much
>>>> exclusively for "war, soldiering or organized, armed
>>>> action".
> 
>>> The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms." Are you honest enough to
>>> acknowledge this?
> 
>> Not sure your point. Of course that is in the second amendment... but
>> that does not negate the meaning of "bear arms".
> 
> Meanings of "bear arms" are irrelevant in regards to the 2nd amendment,
> where the correct phrase is
> "keep and bear arms."
> 
>>>> * Their were laws restricting firearms at the start of
>>>> the country which were never, as far as I can find,
>>>> challenged on second amendment grounds. This makes it
>>>> a hard sale to say they were against the second
>>>> amendment.
> 
>>> There were laws requiring an oath affirming the existence of God
>>> from candidates for public office, too. Do you believe such laws
>>> were in compliance with the Constitution?
> 
>> There were challenges to such laws... and for good reason! Still, it is
>> true that eight states STILL have language in their constitutions that
>> speak of holding specific religious beliefs. I would like to see more
>> challenges against those laws.
> 
> Is that your final answer? IS it an answer?
> 
>>> Before the passage of the 14th amendment, the Bill of Rights had
>>> limited effect on state laws.
> 
>>>> * Most (though not all) relevant scholars have supported
>>>> the states rights view.
> 
>>> Baloney.
> 
>> I welcome a counter. I just posted a LONG post where I went into this.
> 
> You should have kept reading: I did, too.
> 
>>> Scholars don't write legislation; their interpretations have no
>>> judicial clout. In other words, who cares?
> 
>> You start with a denial and then move to you think what experts say on
>> the meaning does not matter.
> 
>> If the views of experts on the topic do not matter to you then surely
>> your view must matter even less, right?
> 
>> Or are you saying your view matters more?
> 
> No, we're playing Dueling Experts now. You cite unnamed academics, I cite
> the Subcommittee on the
> Constitution of the United States Senate's Judiciary Committee 1982
> report on the right to keep and
> bear arms.
> 
>> ...
>>> If gun laws in fact worked,... the sponsors of this type of legislation
>>> should have no difficulty
> drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such
> legislation. That they cannot do
> so after a century and a half of trying - that they must sweep under the
> rug the southern attempts
> at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the
> 1920-1939 period, the
> attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 - establishes the
> repeated, complete and
> inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime.
> 
> You can address your comments to the author of those words here--
> 
> https://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/email-orrin
> 
>> ...
>>> The right to bear arms is a tradition with deep roots in American
>>> society.
> 
>> What do you mean by "bear arms"?
> 
> You can address your questions to the author of those words here--
> 
> http://www.deconcinimcdonald.com/contact/
> 
>> ...
>>>> * We should not allow the NRA, a group that benefits from
>>>> mass shootings and terrorism, to largely control our gun
>>>> laws.
> 
>>> The NRA could only benefit if the media and its running-dog
>>> politicians howl for more restrictions on guns. (Were Nancy Pelosi
>>> to call a press conference to urge Americans to buy more guns, sales
>>> would plummet.)
> 
>> Covered extensively in another post. You can make excuses all you want,
>> but what I note is clearly a fact.
> 
> If it benefits, it's due to the hysteria of the hoplophobes.
> 
>>>> * We clearly do have, have had, and should have, limits on
>>>> arms... what one could call "infringements".
> 
>>> Within reason.
> 
>> Sure: and to find what is reasonable we should do more research and
>> have evidence-based polices.
> 
> Right. Then we can reduce the number of those limitations.
> 
>>>> * We should do more research on gun deaths and injuries, as
>>>> we do with vehicles, pools, food, and pretty much everything
>>>> else that is tied to death and injuries.
> 
>>> Then let the Department of Justice research ways to reduce violent
>>> crime.
> 
>> Let multiple groups. Does the DOJ do research on any other health
>> issues though?
> 
> It's a crime issue. 
> 
> 
> 

It is more than just a crime issue. Clearly. 

And I say go with the meaning of the words and have evidence based
policies. 

To many here that makes me a “gun grabber”. Quite telling what THEY think
the evidence supports. 

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#688972 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 18:04 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf72s9$hr7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688820

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnmi0dFdcfbU2@mid.individual.net...
> max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>> In news:fnkagsF667U1@mid.individual.net,
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed:
>>
>>> On 6/4/18 12:47 AM, max headroom wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>> I have no idea what game you are playing... nor the rules of how one
>>>>> wins or loses. Cannot say I really care. Here is, on the topic, much
>>>>> of what I do care about:
>>
>>>>> * The meaning / usage  of "bear arms" (pretty much
>>>>> exclusively for "war, soldiering or organized, armed
>>>>> action".
>>
>>>> The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms." Are you honest enough to
>>>> acknowledge this?
>>
>>> Not sure your point. Of course that is in the second amendment... but
>>> that does not negate the meaning of "bear arms".
>>
>> Meanings of "bear arms" are irrelevant in regards to the 2nd amendment,
>> where the correct phrase is
>> "keep and bear arms."
>>
>>>>> * Their were laws restricting firearms at the start of
>>>>> the country which were never, as far as I can find,
>>>>> challenged on second amendment grounds. This makes it
>>>>> a hard sale to say they were against the second
>>>>> amendment.
>>
>>>> There were laws requiring an oath affirming the existence of God
>>>> from candidates for public office, too. Do you believe such laws
>>>> were in compliance with the Constitution?
>>
>>> There were challenges to such laws... and for good reason! Still, it is
>>> true that eight states STILL have language in their constitutions that
>>> speak of holding specific religious beliefs. I would like to see more
>>> challenges against those laws.
>>
>> Is that your final answer? IS it an answer?
>>
>>>> Before the passage of the 14th amendment, the Bill of Rights had
>>>> limited effect on state laws.
>>
>>>>> * Most (though not all) relevant scholars have supported
>>>>> the states rights view.
>>
>>>> Baloney.
>>
>>> I welcome a counter. I just posted a LONG post where I went into this.
>>
>> You should have kept reading: I did, too.
>>
>>>> Scholars don't write legislation; their interpretations have no
>>>> judicial clout. In other words, who cares?
>>
>>> You start with a denial and then move to you think what experts say on
>>> the meaning does not matter.
>>
>>> If the views of experts on the topic do not matter to you then surely
>>> your view must matter even less, right?
>>
>>> Or are you saying your view matters more?
>>
>> No, we're playing Dueling Experts now. You cite unnamed academics, I cite
>> the Subcommittee on the
>> Constitution of the United States Senate's Judiciary Committee 1982
>> report on the right to keep and
>> bear arms.
>>
>>> ...
>>>> If gun laws in fact worked,... the sponsors of this type of legislation
>>>> should have no difficulty
>> drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such
>> legislation. That they cannot do
>> so after a century and a half of trying - that they must sweep under the
>> rug the southern attempts
>> at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the
>> 1920-1939 period, the
>> attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 - establishes the
>> repeated, complete and
>> inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime.
>>
>> You can address your comments to the author of those words here--
>>
>> https://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/email-orrin
>>
>>> ...
>>>> The right to bear arms is a tradition with deep roots in American
>>>> society.
>>
>>> What do you mean by "bear arms"?
>>
>> You can address your questions to the author of those words here--
>>
>> http://www.deconcinimcdonald.com/contact/
>>
>>> ...
>>>>> * We should not allow the NRA, a group that benefits from
>>>>> mass shootings and terrorism, to largely control our gun
>>>>> laws.
>>
>>>> The NRA could only benefit if the media and its running-dog
>>>> politicians howl for more restrictions on guns. (Were Nancy Pelosi
>>>> to call a press conference to urge Americans to buy more guns, sales
>>>> would plummet.)
>>
>>> Covered extensively in another post. You can make excuses all you want,
>>> but what I note is clearly a fact.
>>
>> If it benefits, it's due to the hysteria of the hoplophobes.
>>
>>>>> * We clearly do have, have had, and should have, limits on
>>>>> arms... what one could call "infringements".
>>
>>>> Within reason.
>>
>>> Sure: and to find what is reasonable we should do more research and
>>> have evidence-based polices.
>>
>> Right. Then we can reduce the number of those limitations.
>>
>>>>> * We should do more research on gun deaths and injuries, as
>>>>> we do with vehicles, pools, food, and pretty much everything
>>>>> else that is tied to death and injuries.
>>
>>>> Then let the Department of Justice research ways to reduce violent
>>>> crime.
>>
>>> Let multiple groups. Does the DOJ do research on any other health
>>> issues though?
>>
>> It's a crime issue.
>>
>>
>>
>
> It is more than just a crime issue. Clearly.
>
> And I say go with the meaning of the words and have evidence based
> policies.

Which means your claims crash into the ground in a fiery ball of lies, 
because the meaning of the words aren't what you assert them to be.

And the polices enacted at the time would show the 2nd does do exactly what 
we claim since the government impacted by the 2nd never passed any 
legislation that would violate the keeping and bearing of personal arms.

 

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#688990 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 16:21 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnok7rFbpqgU16@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688972
On 6/5/18 3:04 PM, Scout wrote:
...
>>> It's a crime issue.
>>
>> It is more than just a crime issue. Clearly.
>>
>> And I say go with the meaning of the words and have evidence based
>> policies.
> 
> Which means your claims crash into the ground in a fiery ball of lies, 
> because the meaning of the words aren't what you assert them to be.

I would LOVE to see you support where the term "bear arms" was used in 
ways contrary to the evidence I have shown. That would be amazing!

> And the polices enacted at the time would show the 2nd does do exactly 
> what we claim since the government impacted by the 2nd never passed any 
> legislation that would violate the keeping and bearing of personal arms.

I see your twisting of the term "bearing" again... and, as shown, PLENTY 
of laws went against the modern interpretation of the second amendment.

At the time of the founding it was illegal in Boston to have loaded fire 
arms in your house. As far as I can find there was no backlash from this 
about it being against the second amendment.

In the "Old West", contrary to what movies tell you, it was often 
illegal to engage in what we now call "open carry". Again, I cannot find 
any sign of backlash from this.

As far as I can find it was not until Bliss v. Commonwealth (1822) - 
nearly half a century after the founding of the country - that any court 
case was pushed with the idea that the second amendment was about 
individual rights and opposed to those that are mentioned above. In that 
case it was deemed it was legal to carry a concealed *sword*.

And much more evidence:

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr

| A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
| in place during the Founding Era. Militia
| regulations were the most common form of laws
| pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
| intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
| track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
| report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
| Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
| were also common. States prohibited the use of
| firearms on certain occasions and in certain
| locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
| disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
| Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
| population during the Founding Era.
...
| Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
| firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
| providing for the confiscation of firearms from
| persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
| the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
| within the context of militia obligations, and
| statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
| smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
| the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
| statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
| hardly a modern invention.

But this has been covered repeatedly. You deny but offer no evidence 
then I repeat the evidence.

What an odd game you play.

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#689028 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 20:37 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf7b0b$ti3$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688990

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnok7rFbpqgU16@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/5/18 3:04 PM, Scout wrote:
> ...
>>>> It's a crime issue.
>>>
>>> It is more than just a crime issue. Clearly.
>>>
>>> And I say go with the meaning of the words and have evidence based
>>> policies.
>>
>> Which means your claims crash into the ground in a fiery ball of lies, 
>> because the meaning of the words aren't what you assert them to be.
>
> I would LOVE to see you support where the term "bear arms" was used in 
> ways contrary to the evidence I have shown. That would be amazing!

I've already done so using period quotations.

So, you've been presented such evidence and you're still in denial.

So go back, start over and try to keep your delusions under control.

<snip>
 

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#689039 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnoqbeFbpqgU31@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689028
On 6/5/18 5:37 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnok7rFbpqgU16@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/5/18 3:04 PM, Scout wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> It's a crime issue.
>>>>
>>>> It is more than just a crime issue. Clearly.
>>>>
>>>> And I say go with the meaning of the words and have evidence based
>>>> policies.
>>>
>>> Which means your claims crash into the ground in a fiery ball of 
>>> lies, because the meaning of the words aren't what you assert them to 
>>> be.
>>
>> I would LOVE to see you support where the term "bear arms" was used in 
>> ways contrary to the evidence I have shown. That would be amazing!
> 
> I've already done so using period quotations.
> 
> So, you've been presented such evidence and you're still in denial.
> 
> So go back, start over and try to keep your delusions under control.
> 
> <snip>

If you have such quotes please post them again. I did not see them.

Thanks!


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#689104 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 23:30 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf7ksc$acu$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#689039

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnoqbeFbpqgU31@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/5/18 5:37 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>> news:fnok7rFbpqgU16@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 6/5/18 3:04 PM, Scout wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>>> It's a crime issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is more than just a crime issue. Clearly.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I say go with the meaning of the words and have evidence based
>>>>> policies.
>>>>
>>>> Which means your claims crash into the ground in a fiery ball of lies, 
>>>> because the meaning of the words aren't what you assert them to be.
>>>
>>> I would LOVE to see you support where the term "bear arms" was used in 
>>> ways contrary to the evidence I have shown. That would be amazing!
>>
>> I've already done so using period quotations.
>>
>> So, you've been presented such evidence and you're still in denial.
>>
>> So go back, start over and try to keep your delusions under control.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> If you have such quotes please post them again. I did not see them.
>
> Thanks!

Interesting how this is twice you've said EXACTLY the same thing.

And given I've provided such quotes on multiple occasions you still claim 
not to have seen them.

You're either an idiot or a bot, but either way, it's clear that you've got 
nothing to say.

<plonk> 

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#689119 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnp4pdFshreU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689104
On 6/5/18 8:30 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnoqbeFbpqgU31@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/5/18 5:37 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:fnok7rFbpqgU16@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 6/5/18 3:04 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>>> It's a crime issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is more than just a crime issue. Clearly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I say go with the meaning of the words and have evidence based
>>>>>> policies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which means your claims crash into the ground in a fiery ball of 
>>>>> lies, because the meaning of the words aren't what you assert them 
>>>>> to be.
>>>>
>>>> I would LOVE to see you support where the term "bear arms" was used 
>>>> in ways contrary to the evidence I have shown. That would be amazing!
>>>
>>> I've already done so using period quotations.
>>>
>>> So, you've been presented such evidence and you're still in denial.
>>>
>>> So go back, start over and try to keep your delusions under control.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>> If you have such quotes please post them again. I did not see them.
>>
>> Thanks!
> 
> Interesting how this is twice you've said EXACTLY the same thing.
> 
> And given I've provided such quotes on multiple occasions you still 
> claim not to have seen them.
> 
> You're either an idiot or a bot, but either way, it's clear that you've 
> got nothing to say.
> 
> <plonk>

You have no such quotes where they use the phrase "bear arms". Fair enough.

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#688564 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSteve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-03 17:11 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<097b8ea9-4673-4ba2-9c03-8246b49bc75d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#688552
On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 4:41:06 PM UTC-7, Klaus  Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 12:05:31 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >On 6/3/18 11:54 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying to get to a
> >>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that phrase is not
> >>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what they have
> >>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you have a
> >>>>>>>>> broader point?
> >>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the state's
> >>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
> >>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
> >>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't care if
> >>>> you're convinced.
> >>>
> >>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
> >> 
> >> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
> >> 
> >> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
> >> 
> >Lose what? 
> 
> Really?
> 
> LOL



It's a prank call. Snit has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say is beside the point. What Flatfish says does not matter. Studying Linux... still a neophyte. Snit is the upshot of the fact that leftists have been hired to take over responsibility for teaching young persons. It's not mere happenstance that he is a mindless communist. Snit is far too unintelligent to write a complex script. The only scripting he's ever shown he can do is simple stuff I did years ago. 

It was Snit who flooded Flatfish's site dozens of times and pretended he did not do it. 

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#688822 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf53p2$s94$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688552

"Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message 
news:54v8hdh5crs136gsqkertpurb0cmc60o19@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 12:05:31 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 6/3/18 11:54 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying to 
>>>>>>>>>> get to a
>>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that phrase is 
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what they 
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you have 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the state's
>>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't care if
>>>>> you're convinced.
>>>>
>>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>>>
>>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>>>
>>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
>>>
>>Lose what?
>
> Really?
>
> LOL

Doesn't Rudy always claim you've already lost and always will?

 

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#688805 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf520o$j7c$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688499

"Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message 
news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying to get 
>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that phrase is 
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what they 
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you have a
>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the state's
>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>
>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't care if
>>> you're convinced.
>>
>>You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>
> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>
> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.

IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the 
people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity or honesty 
that he might have had.

Further, it's obvious that even a grade schooler diagramming the sentence 
can show that the right is that "of the people". Thus his scholarship is 
fake, his arguments unfounded, his bias is clear, and his dishonesty clearly 
evidence.

Of course, that position is pushed upon him by his very narrative that the 
right belongs only to the militia. Thus he has to ignore the specific 
language and meaning that would contradict that requirement because without 
the right being limited to the militia the rest of his argument which is 
utterly dependent upon the right belonging only to the militia would also 
fall. Such as the claim of bearing arms only for a military purpose. Which 
might be fine for a right limited only to the militia, but utterly fails 
when it comes to a right held by the people. Similarly his claim to keeping 
arms being limit only the militia arms for a militia purpose would fail for 
the same reason.

Indeed I presented several quotes from the founding fathers that showed the 
intent was not to limit purely to militia functions and only while actively 
involved in a militia operation.

No, I personally think that Rudy has broken out a new sock puppet and given 
how well this 'puppet' claim to already know me, I think that makes it clear 
that it's merely Rudy trying once again to get attention.
 

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#688811 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnmhb5Fd8cdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688805
Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message 
> news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying to get 
>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that phrase is 
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what they 
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you have a
>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the state's
>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't care if
>>>> you're convinced.
>>> 
>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>> 
>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>> 
>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
> 
> IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the 
> people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity or honesty 
> that he might have had.

I am saying to go with the known meaning of the words. 

You twist this to say I lost. Lost what? A debate? Who is the judge? What
is the prize for winning? 

Does not matter. What matters to me are reason and logic, evidence and
support. Your game of winning or losing some unstated prize is of no
importance to me. 

> Further, it's obvious that even a grade schooler diagramming the sentence 
> can show that the right is that "of the people". Thus his scholarship is 
> fake, his arguments unfounded, his bias is clear, and his dishonesty clearly 
> evidence.

I have backed my claims. You have denial without evidence. 

> Of course, that position is pushed upon him by his very narrative that the 
> right belongs only to the militia. Thus he has to ignore the specific 
> language and meaning that would contradict that requirement because without 
> the right being limited to the militia the rest of his argument which is 
> utterly dependent upon the right belonging only to the militia would also 
> fall. Such as the claim of bearing arms only for a military purpose. Which 
> might be fine for a right limited only to the militia, but utterly fails 
> when it comes to a right held by the people. Similarly his claim to keeping 
> arms being limit only the militia arms for a militia purpose would fail for 
> the same reason.

Remember: my position is to stick with the known meaning, and I showed
support. You do what? Point to a controversial 5:4 SCOTUS decision where
activist judges ignored the history of how the phrase “bear arms” has been
used, how it is used now, the history of the laws, the majority of legal
scholars, etc. 

> Indeed I presented several quotes from the founding fathers that showed the 
> intent was not to limit purely to militia functions and only while actively 
> involved in a militia operation.

You showed zero quotes speaking of bearing arms. 

> No, I personally think that Rudy has broken out a new sock puppet and given 
> how well this 'puppet' claim to already know me, I think that makes it clear 
> that it's merely Rudy trying once again to get attention.
> 
> 
> 
You insecurities are strongly on display. 

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#688960 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 17:59 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf713v$70c$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688811

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnmhb5Fd8cdU1@mid.individual.net...
> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message
>> news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying to 
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that phrase is
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what they
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you have 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the state's
>>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't care if
>>>>> you're convinced.
>>>>
>>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>>>
>>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>>>
>>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
>>
>> IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the
>> people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity or 
>> honesty
>> that he might have had.
>
> I am saying to go with the known meaning of the words.

I am, you are the one claiming we should use only your 'special' 
definitions.

"...right of the people..."

People, not the State, not the militia, not the State's militia, but the 
people.

A concept that everyone but you apparently understands and I can't find even 
one definition where "people" are defined as a militia or a state 
government.
 

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#688964 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 15:05 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnofoqFbpqgU12@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688960
On 6/5/18 2:59 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnmhb5Fd8cdU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message
>>> news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying 
>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that phrase is
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what 
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you 
>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the state's
>>>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't care if
>>>>>> you're convinced.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
>>>
>>> IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the
>>> people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity or 
>>> honesty
>>> that he might have had.
>>
>> I am saying to go with the known meaning of the words.
> 
> I am, you are the one claiming we should use only your 'special' 
> definitions.
> 
> "...right of the people..."
> 
> People, not the State, not the militia, not the State's militia, but the 
> people.
> 
> A concept that everyone but you apparently understands and I can't find 
> even one definition where "people" are defined as a militia or a state 
> government.

1) 
https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview

| First, the second amendment was passed as an
| assurance to the states that they would have the
| right to maintain their own militias. Such
| militias were to be used as the centerpiece of the
| nation's military power, as an alternative to a
| large standing army, as a tool for the states to
| ensure public order, and as a means for the states
| to defend against the encroachment of federal
| power.
|
| Second, the second amendment does not operate as a
| restraint on the states. It acts as a restraint on the
| federal government.
|
| Third, there is no substantial historical evidence for
| the claim that the second amendment guarantees an
| individual right to have arms for any purpose other
| than participation in a state-regulated militia.
|
| Fourth, as long as federal gun laws do not adversely
| affect the organized state militias, these laws should
| encounter no second amendment problems.
|
| Fifth, because the state militias no longer rely on
| the use of privately-owned firearms by their active
| members, federal regulation of private gun ownership
| poses no threat to state militias, and therefore
| raises no constitutional issue. This is demonstrated
| by the remarkable unanimity of federal and state
| courts in upholding the constitutional validity of
| firearms laws against second amendment challenges.

2) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1105369

| This article argues that the second amendment was
| initially proposed and passed in response to some
| antifederalist fears of a standing army. The
| thrust of the Amendment was to prevent the
| national government from disarming the state
| militias. Similarly, the Amendment allowed the
| states to arm their own militias if Congress
| failed to do so under its Article I, Section 8
| powers. The article notes that Madison and other
| Federalists who wrote the Second Amendment were
| fully aware of demands for an amendment to protect
| an individual's right to own weapons, and that the
| framers of the Second Amendment emphatically
| rejected this concept.

3) https://famguardian.org/Subjects/GunControl/Research/Reviews/rwstand.htm

| The contemporary meaning of the Second Amendment
| is the same as it was at the time of its adoption.
| The federal government may regulate the National
| Guard, but may not disarm it against the will of
| state legislatures. Nothing in the Second
| Amendment, however, precludes Congress or the
| states from requiring licensing and registration
| of firearms; in fact, there is nothing to stop an
| outright congressional ban on private ownership of
| all handguns and all rifles.

4) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114

| Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason
| to believe that, in significant part, James
| Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his
| constituents in Virginia, and the South generally,
| that Congress could not use its newly-acquired
| powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by
| disarming the militia, on which the South relied
| for slave control.

5) Early gun laws

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr

| A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
| in place during the Founding Era. Militia
| regulations were the most common form of laws
| pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
| intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
| track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
| report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
| Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
| were also common. States prohibited the use of
| firearms on certain occasions and in certain
| locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
| disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
| Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
| population during the Founding Era.
...
| Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
| firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
| providing for the confiscation of firearms from
| persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
| the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
| within the context of militia obligations, and
| statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
| smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
| the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
| statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
| hardly a modern invention.


6) The most often cited case by the NRA crowd is the Heller case, 
because in 2008, for the first time, the Supreme Court made a ruling 
speaking of guns and an individual right: 
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

It is about "the licensing requirement insofar as it prohibits carrying 
an unlicensed firearm in the home, and the trigger-lock requirement 
insofar as it prohibits the use of functional firearms in the home."

It is about having a common handgun in your home, not about carrying one 
around, no less other arms. It even specifically speaks of acceptance of 
"limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by 
the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes".

It also notes that "the Second Amendment right is not unlimited" and 
specifically states "It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon 
whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" and that 
this does not mean we cannot have "laws forbidding the carrying of 
firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, 
or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of 
arms" and it "finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting 
the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons".

---------


At the time of the founding it was illegal in Boston to have loaded fire 
arms in your house. As far as I can find there was no backlash from this 
about it being against the second amendment.

In the "Old West", contrary to what movies tell you, it was often 
illegal to engage in what we now call "open carry". Again, I cannot find 
any sign of backlash from this.

As far as I can find it was not until Bliss v. Commonwealth (1822) - 
nearly half a century after the founding of the country - that any court 
case was pushed with the idea that the second amendment was about 
individual rights and opposed to those that are mentioned above. In that 
case it was deemed it was legal to carry a concealed *sword*.

With all this said, I do not pretend to be an expert in this and am open 
to findings that I have not stumbled on.

--------


So far two scholarly articles has shown that there is disagreement:

http://www.guncite.com/journals/shalideo.html

https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3830&context=lcp

---------

While not a part of the law itself, the Articles of Confederation are a 
key document that lead to the US Constitution. Much of the language of 
the constitution originated there. This includes the phrase "well 
regulated" in terms of a militia.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp
"... every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined 
militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and 
constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed 
pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp 
equipage."

----------

Remember, my view is simple: we should base policy on evidence and 
respect for rights.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#688966 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-05 15:10 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<bb3n9h.ccc.19.2@news.alt.net>
In reply to#688964
On 2018-06-05 3:05 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 6/5/18 2:59 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>> news:fnmhb5Fd8cdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> phrase is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what 
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you 
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the 
>>>>>>>>>>> state's
>>>>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't 
>>>>>>> care if
>>>>>>> you're convinced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
>>>>
>>>> IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the
>>>> people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity or 
>>>> honesty
>>>> that he might have had.
>>>
>>> I am saying to go with the known meaning of the words.
>>
>> I am, you are the one claiming we should use only your 'special' 
>> definitions.
>>
>> "...right of the people..."
>>
>> People, not the State, not the militia, not the State's militia, but 
>> the people.
>>
>> A concept that everyone but you apparently understands and I can't 
>> find even one definition where "people" are defined as a militia or a 
>> state government.
> 
> 1) 
> https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview 
> 
> 
> | First, the second amendment was passed as an
> | assurance to the states that they would have the
> | right to maintain their own militias. Such
> | militias were to be used as the centerpiece of the
> | nation's military power, as an alternative to a
> | large standing army, as a tool for the states to
> | ensure public order, and as a means for the states
> | to defend against the encroachment of federal
> | power.
> |
> | Second, the second amendment does not operate as a
> | restraint on the states. It acts as a restraint on the
> | federal government.
> |
> | Third, there is no substantial historical evidence for
> | the claim that the second amendment guarantees an
> | individual right to have arms for any purpose other
> | than participation in a state-regulated militia.
> |
> | Fourth, as long as federal gun laws do not adversely
> | affect the organized state militias, these laws should
> | encounter no second amendment problems.
> |
> | Fifth, because the state militias no longer rely on
> | the use of privately-owned firearms by their active
> | members, federal regulation of private gun ownership
> | poses no threat to state militias, and therefore
> | raises no constitutional issue. This is demonstrated
> | by the remarkable unanimity of federal and state
> | courts in upholding the constitutional validity of
> | firearms laws against second amendment challenges.
> 
> 2) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1105369
> 
> | This article argues that the second amendment was
> | initially proposed and passed in response to some
> | antifederalist fears of a standing army. The
> | thrust of the Amendment was to prevent the
> | national government from disarming the state
> | militias. Similarly, the Amendment allowed the
> | states to arm their own militias if Congress
> | failed to do so under its Article I, Section 8
> | powers. The article notes that Madison and other
> | Federalists who wrote the Second Amendment were
> | fully aware of demands for an amendment to protect
> | an individual's right to own weapons, and that the
> | framers of the Second Amendment emphatically
> | rejected this concept.
> 
> 3) https://famguardian.org/Subjects/GunControl/Research/Reviews/rwstand.htm
> 
> | The contemporary meaning of the Second Amendment
> | is the same as it was at the time of its adoption.
> | The federal government may regulate the National
> | Guard, but may not disarm it against the will of
> | state legislatures. Nothing in the Second
> | Amendment, however, precludes Congress or the
> | states from requiring licensing and registration
> | of firearms; in fact, there is nothing to stop an
> | outright congressional ban on private ownership of
> | all handguns and all rifles.
> 
> 4) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114
> 
> | Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason
> | to believe that, in significant part, James
> | Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his
> | constituents in Virginia, and the South generally,
> | that Congress could not use its newly-acquired
> | powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by
> | disarming the militia, on which the South relied
> | for slave control.
> 
> 5) Early gun laws
> 
> http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr
> 
> | A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
> | in place during the Founding Era. Militia
> | regulations were the most common form of laws
> | pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
> | intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
> | track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
> | report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
> | Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
> | were also common. States prohibited the use of
> | firearms on certain occasions and in certain
> | locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
> | disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
> | Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
> | population during the Founding Era.
> ...
> | Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
> | firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
> | providing for the confiscation of firearms from
> | persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
> | the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
> | within the context of militia obligations, and
> | statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
> | smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
> | the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
> | statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
> | hardly a modern invention.
> 
> 
> 6) The most often cited case by the NRA crowd is the Heller case, 
> because in 2008, for the first time, the Supreme Court made a ruling 
> speaking of guns and an individual right: 
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
> 
> It is about "the licensing requirement insofar as it prohibits carrying 
> an unlicensed firearm in the home, and the trigger-lock requirement 
> insofar as it prohibits the use of functional firearms in the home."
> 
> It is about having a common handgun in your home, not about carrying one 
> around, no less other arms. It even specifically speaks of acceptance of 
> "limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by 
> the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes".
> 
> It also notes that "the Second Amendment right is not unlimited" and 
> specifically states "It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon 
> whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" and that 
> this does not mean we cannot have "laws forbidding the carrying of 
> firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, 
> or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of 
> arms" and it "finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting 
> the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons".
> 
> ---------
> 
> 
> At the time of the founding it was illegal in Boston to have loaded fire 
> arms in your house. As far as I can find there was no backlash from this 
> about it being against the second amendment.
> 
> In the "Old West", contrary to what movies tell you, it was often 
> illegal to engage in what we now call "open carry". Again, I cannot find 
> any sign of backlash from this.
> 
> As far as I can find it was not until Bliss v. Commonwealth (1822) - 
> nearly half a century after the founding of the country - that any court 
> case was pushed with the idea that the second amendment was about 
> individual rights and opposed to those that are mentioned above. In that 
> case it was deemed it was legal to carry a concealed *sword*.
> 
> With all this said, I do not pretend to be an expert in this and am open 
> to findings that I have not stumbled on.
> 
> --------
> 
> 
> So far two scholarly articles has shown that there is disagreement:
> 
> http://www.guncite.com/journals/shalideo.html
> 
> https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3830&context=lcp 
> 
> 
> ---------
> 
> While not a part of the law itself, the Articles of Confederation are a 
> key document that lead to the US Constitution. Much of the language of 
> the constitution originated there. This includes the phrase "well 
> regulated" in terms of a militia.
> 
> http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp
> "... every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined 
> militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and 
> constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed 
> pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp 
> equipage."
> 
> ----------
> 
> Remember, my view is simple: we should base policy on evidence and 
> respect for rights.
> 
> 
no we shouldn't

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#688993 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnokdgFbpqgU18@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688966
On 6/5/18 3:10 PM, % wrote:
> On 2018-06-05 3:05 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 6/5/18 2:59 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:fnmhb5Fd8cdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit 
>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phrase is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> state's
>>>>>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>>>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't 
>>>>>>>> care if
>>>>>>>> you're convinced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the
>>>>> people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity 
>>>>> or honesty
>>>>> that he might have had.
>>>>
>>>> I am saying to go with the known meaning of the words.
>>>
>>> I am, you are the one claiming we should use only your 'special' 
>>> definitions.
>>>
>>> "...right of the people..."
>>>
>>> People, not the State, not the militia, not the State's militia, but 
>>> the people.
>>>
>>> A concept that everyone but you apparently understands and I can't 
>>> find even one definition where "people" are defined as a militia or a 
>>> state government.
>>
>> 1) 
>> https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview 
>>
>>
>> | First, the second amendment was passed as an
>> | assurance to the states that they would have the
>> | right to maintain their own militias. Such
>> | militias were to be used as the centerpiece of the
>> | nation's military power, as an alternative to a
>> | large standing army, as a tool for the states to
>> | ensure public order, and as a means for the states
>> | to defend against the encroachment of federal
>> | power.
>> |
>> | Second, the second amendment does not operate as a
>> | restraint on the states. It acts as a restraint on the
>> | federal government.
>> |
>> | Third, there is no substantial historical evidence for
>> | the claim that the second amendment guarantees an
>> | individual right to have arms for any purpose other
>> | than participation in a state-regulated militia.
>> |
>> | Fourth, as long as federal gun laws do not adversely
>> | affect the organized state militias, these laws should
>> | encounter no second amendment problems.
>> |
>> | Fifth, because the state militias no longer rely on
>> | the use of privately-owned firearms by their active
>> | members, federal regulation of private gun ownership
>> | poses no threat to state militias, and therefore
>> | raises no constitutional issue. This is demonstrated
>> | by the remarkable unanimity of federal and state
>> | courts in upholding the constitutional validity of
>> | firearms laws against second amendment challenges.
>>
>> 2) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1105369
>>
>> | This article argues that the second amendment was
>> | initially proposed and passed in response to some
>> | antifederalist fears of a standing army. The
>> | thrust of the Amendment was to prevent the
>> | national government from disarming the state
>> | militias. Similarly, the Amendment allowed the
>> | states to arm their own militias if Congress
>> | failed to do so under its Article I, Section 8
>> | powers. The article notes that Madison and other
>> | Federalists who wrote the Second Amendment were
>> | fully aware of demands for an amendment to protect
>> | an individual's right to own weapons, and that the
>> | framers of the Second Amendment emphatically
>> | rejected this concept.
>>
>> 3) 
>> https://famguardian.org/Subjects/GunControl/Research/Reviews/rwstand.htm
>>
>> | The contemporary meaning of the Second Amendment
>> | is the same as it was at the time of its adoption.
>> | The federal government may regulate the National
>> | Guard, but may not disarm it against the will of
>> | state legislatures. Nothing in the Second
>> | Amendment, however, precludes Congress or the
>> | states from requiring licensing and registration
>> | of firearms; in fact, there is nothing to stop an
>> | outright congressional ban on private ownership of
>> | all handguns and all rifles.
>>
>> 4) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114
>>
>> | Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason
>> | to believe that, in significant part, James
>> | Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his
>> | constituents in Virginia, and the South generally,
>> | that Congress could not use its newly-acquired
>> | powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by
>> | disarming the militia, on which the South relied
>> | for slave control.
>>
>> 5) Early gun laws
>>
>> http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr
>>
>> | A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
>> | in place during the Founding Era. Militia
>> | regulations were the most common form of laws
>> | pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
>> | intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
>> | track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
>> | report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
>> | Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
>> | were also common. States prohibited the use of
>> | firearms on certain occasions and in certain
>> | locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
>> | disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
>> | Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
>> | population during the Founding Era.
>> ...
>> | Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
>> | firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
>> | providing for the confiscation of firearms from
>> | persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
>> | the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
>> | within the context of militia obligations, and
>> | statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
>> | smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
>> | the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
>> | statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
>> | hardly a modern invention.
>>
>>
>> 6) The most often cited case by the NRA crowd is the Heller case, 
>> because in 2008, for the first time, the Supreme Court made a ruling 
>> speaking of guns and an individual right: 
>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
>>
>> It is about "the licensing requirement insofar as it prohibits 
>> carrying an unlicensed firearm in the home, and the trigger-lock 
>> requirement insofar as it prohibits the use of functional firearms in 
>> the home."
>>
>> It is about having a common handgun in your home, not about carrying 
>> one around, no less other arms. It even specifically speaks of 
>> acceptance of "limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to 
>> those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful 
>> purposes".
>>
>> It also notes that "the Second Amendment right is not unlimited" and 
>> specifically states "It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon 
>> whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" and that 
>> this does not mean we cannot have "laws forbidding the carrying of 
>> firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, 
>> or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale 
>> of arms" and it "finds support in the historical tradition of 
>> prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons".
>>
>> ---------
>>
>>
>> At the time of the founding it was illegal in Boston to have loaded 
>> fire arms in your house. As far as I can find there was no backlash 
>> from this about it being against the second amendment.
>>
>> In the "Old West", contrary to what movies tell you, it was often 
>> illegal to engage in what we now call "open carry". Again, I cannot 
>> find any sign of backlash from this.
>>
>> As far as I can find it was not until Bliss v. Commonwealth (1822) - 
>> nearly half a century after the founding of the country - that any 
>> court case was pushed with the idea that the second amendment was 
>> about individual rights and opposed to those that are mentioned above. 
>> In that case it was deemed it was legal to carry a concealed *sword*.
>>
>> With all this said, I do not pretend to be an expert in this and am 
>> open to findings that I have not stumbled on.
>>
>> --------
>>
>>
>> So far two scholarly articles has shown that there is disagreement:
>>
>> http://www.guncite.com/journals/shalideo.html
>>
>> https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3830&context=lcp 
>>
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> While not a part of the law itself, the Articles of Confederation are 
>> a key document that lead to the US Constitution. Much of the language 
>> of the constitution originated there. This includes the phrase "well 
>> regulated" in terms of a militia.
>>
>> http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp
>> "... every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined 
>> militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and 
>> constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed 
>> pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp 
>> equipage."
>>
>> ----------
>>
>> Remember, my view is simple: we should base policy on evidence and 
>> respect for rights.
>>
>>
> no we shouldn't

Why not?

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#688994 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From% <persent@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-05 16:27 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<bb3rqg.bua.17.30@news.alt.net>
In reply to#688993
On 2018-06-05 4:24 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 6/5/18 3:10 PM, % wrote:
>> On 2018-06-05 3:05 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 6/5/18 2:59 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>>>> news:fnmhb5Fd8cdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit 
>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phrase is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>>>>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't 
>>>>>>>>> care if
>>>>>>>>> you're convinced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the
>>>>>> people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity 
>>>>>> or honesty
>>>>>> that he might have had.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am saying to go with the known meaning of the words.
>>>>
>>>> I am, you are the one claiming we should use only your 'special' 
>>>> definitions.
>>>>
>>>> "...right of the people..."
>>>>
>>>> People, not the State, not the militia, not the State's militia, but 
>>>> the people.
>>>>
>>>> A concept that everyone but you apparently understands and I can't 
>>>> find even one definition where "people" are defined as a militia or 
>>>> a state government.
>>>
>>> 1) 
>>> https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview 
>>>
>>>
>>> | First, the second amendment was passed as an
>>> | assurance to the states that they would have the
>>> | right to maintain their own militias. Such
>>> | militias were to be used as the centerpiece of the
>>> | nation's military power, as an alternative to a
>>> | large standing army, as a tool for the states to
>>> | ensure public order, and as a means for the states
>>> | to defend against the encroachment of federal
>>> | power.
>>> |
>>> | Second, the second amendment does not operate as a
>>> | restraint on the states. It acts as a restraint on the
>>> | federal government.
>>> |
>>> | Third, there is no substantial historical evidence for
>>> | the claim that the second amendment guarantees an
>>> | individual right to have arms for any purpose other
>>> | than participation in a state-regulated militia.
>>> |
>>> | Fourth, as long as federal gun laws do not adversely
>>> | affect the organized state militias, these laws should
>>> | encounter no second amendment problems.
>>> |
>>> | Fifth, because the state militias no longer rely on
>>> | the use of privately-owned firearms by their active
>>> | members, federal regulation of private gun ownership
>>> | poses no threat to state militias, and therefore
>>> | raises no constitutional issue. This is demonstrated
>>> | by the remarkable unanimity of federal and state
>>> | courts in upholding the constitutional validity of
>>> | firearms laws against second amendment challenges.
>>>
>>> 2) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1105369
>>>
>>> | This article argues that the second amendment was
>>> | initially proposed and passed in response to some
>>> | antifederalist fears of a standing army. The
>>> | thrust of the Amendment was to prevent the
>>> | national government from disarming the state
>>> | militias. Similarly, the Amendment allowed the
>>> | states to arm their own militias if Congress
>>> | failed to do so under its Article I, Section 8
>>> | powers. The article notes that Madison and other
>>> | Federalists who wrote the Second Amendment were
>>> | fully aware of demands for an amendment to protect
>>> | an individual's right to own weapons, and that the
>>> | framers of the Second Amendment emphatically
>>> | rejected this concept.
>>>
>>> 3) 
>>> https://famguardian.org/Subjects/GunControl/Research/Reviews/rwstand.htm
>>>
>>> | The contemporary meaning of the Second Amendment
>>> | is the same as it was at the time of its adoption.
>>> | The federal government may regulate the National
>>> | Guard, but may not disarm it against the will of
>>> | state legislatures. Nothing in the Second
>>> | Amendment, however, precludes Congress or the
>>> | states from requiring licensing and registration
>>> | of firearms; in fact, there is nothing to stop an
>>> | outright congressional ban on private ownership of
>>> | all handguns and all rifles.
>>>
>>> 4) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114
>>>
>>> | Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason
>>> | to believe that, in significant part, James
>>> | Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his
>>> | constituents in Virginia, and the South generally,
>>> | that Congress could not use its newly-acquired
>>> | powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by
>>> | disarming the militia, on which the South relied
>>> | for slave control.
>>>
>>> 5) Early gun laws
>>>
>>> http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr 
>>>
>>>
>>> | A variety of laws regulating firearms were already
>>> | in place during the Founding Era. Militia
>>> | regulations were the most common form of laws
>>> | pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite
>>> | intrusive, allowing government not only to keep
>>> | track of who had firearms, but requiring them to
>>> | report for a muster or face stiff penalties.
>>> | Regulations governing the storage of gun powder
>>> | were also common. States prohibited the use of
>>> | firearms on certain occasions and in certain
>>> | locations. A variety of race-based exclusions
>>> | disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks.
>>> | Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the
>>> | population during the Founding Era.
>>> ...
>>> | Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of
>>> | firearms can be classified as follows: statutes
>>> | providing for the confiscation of firearms from
>>> | persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to
>>> | the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms
>>> | within the context of militia obligations, and
>>> | statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A
>>> | smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and
>>> | the discharge of firearms in certain places. These
>>> | statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is
>>> | hardly a modern invention.
>>>
>>>
>>> 6) The most often cited case by the NRA crowd is the Heller case, 
>>> because in 2008, for the first time, the Supreme Court made a ruling 
>>> speaking of guns and an individual right: 
>>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
>>>
>>> It is about "the licensing requirement insofar as it prohibits 
>>> carrying an unlicensed firearm in the home, and the trigger-lock 
>>> requirement insofar as it prohibits the use of functional firearms in 
>>> the home."
>>>
>>> It is about having a common handgun in your home, not about carrying 
>>> one around, no less other arms. It even specifically speaks of 
>>> acceptance of "limits the type of weapon to which the right applies 
>>> to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful 
>>> purposes".
>>>
>>> It also notes that "the Second Amendment right is not unlimited" and 
>>> specifically states "It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon 
>>> whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" and 
>>> that this does not mean we cannot have "laws forbidding the carrying 
>>> of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government 
>>> buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the 
>>> commercial sale of arms" and it "finds support in the historical 
>>> tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons".
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>
>>>
>>> At the time of the founding it was illegal in Boston to have loaded 
>>> fire arms in your house. As far as I can find there was no backlash 
>>> from this about it being against the second amendment.
>>>
>>> In the "Old West", contrary to what movies tell you, it was often 
>>> illegal to engage in what we now call "open carry". Again, I cannot 
>>> find any sign of backlash from this.
>>>
>>> As far as I can find it was not until Bliss v. Commonwealth (1822) - 
>>> nearly half a century after the founding of the country - that any 
>>> court case was pushed with the idea that the second amendment was 
>>> about individual rights and opposed to those that are mentioned 
>>> above. In that case it was deemed it was legal to carry a concealed 
>>> *sword*.
>>>
>>> With all this said, I do not pretend to be an expert in this and am 
>>> open to findings that I have not stumbled on.
>>>
>>> --------
>>>
>>>
>>> So far two scholarly articles has shown that there is disagreement:
>>>
>>> http://www.guncite.com/journals/shalideo.html
>>>
>>> https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3830&context=lcp 
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>
>>> While not a part of the law itself, the Articles of Confederation are 
>>> a key document that lead to the US Constitution. Much of the language 
>>> of the constitution originated there. This includes the phrase "well 
>>> regulated" in terms of a militia.
>>>
>>> http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp
>>> "... every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and 
>>> disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall 
>>> provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due 
>>> number of filed pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, 
>>> ammunition and camp equipage."
>>>
>>> ----------
>>>
>>> Remember, my view is simple: we should base policy on evidence and 
>>> respect for rights.
>>>
>>>
>> no we shouldn't
> 
> Why not?
> 
its too personal different individuals have different rights

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#688978 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 18:44 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf73v5$nuq$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688964

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnofoqFbpqgU12@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/5/18 2:59 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
>> news:fnmhb5Fd8cdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Scout <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus  Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfreude@null.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:v8e8hdt4ml7tutaandcdbhuu1q0rs1q1gr@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 11:39:52 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/3/18 11:13 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you just looking for specific phrases or are you trying to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> point? I suspect you are trying to say that since that phrase 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> there this means the concept of what the states can do (what 
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to do) is not there. Is that correct? If not did you 
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> broader point?
>>>>>>>>>>> No, you're not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's the people's right, not the militia's right, not the 
>>>>>>>>>>> state's
>>>>>>>>>>> right, not the feds' right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is your unsupported opinion. Fair enough.
>>>>>>>>> That's what it says, if you're capable of reading.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, the ol' it is as you say because you say so. Very convincing!
>>>>>>> No, it's the old "It is because that's what it says." I don't care 
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you're convinced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are welcome to have an unsupported opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as you're welcome to have an opinion supported by bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end, you will lose, just like you people always do.
>>>>
>>>> IMO, he's already lost. By asserting that the right is NOT one of the
>>>> people's rights,  he has totally destroyed any claim to integrity or 
>>>> honesty
>>>> that he might have had.
>>>
>>> I am saying to go with the known meaning of the words.
>>
>> I am, you are the one claiming we should use only your 'special' 
>> definitions.
>>
>> "...right of the people..."
>>
>> People, not the State, not the militia, not the State's militia, but the 
>> people.
>>
>> A concept that everyone but you apparently understands and I can't find 
>> even one definition where "people" are defined as a militia or a state 
>> government.
>
> 1) 
> https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview
>
> | First, the second amendment was passed as an
> | assurance to the states that they would have the
> | right to maintain their own militias.

And to maintain their own militias required a generally armed populous upon 
which to draw to form such a militia when needed.

The argument is shut down because it gets past the first sentence.

Further I see nothing in the 2nd about the right of the states to have a 
militia.

 

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#689006 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnomgiFbpqgU23@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688978
On 6/5/18 3:44 PM, Scout wrote:
>> 1) 
>> https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview 
>>
>>
>> | First, the second amendment was passed as an
>> | assurance to the states that they would have the
>> | right to maintain their own militias.
> 
> And to maintain their own militias required a generally armed populous 
> upon which to draw to form such a militia when needed.
> 
> The argument is shut down because it gets past the first sentence.
> 
> Further I see nothing in the 2nd about the right of the states to have a 
> militia.

Interesting theory. Any reason I should accept your view of it over the 
scholars, ESPECIALLY when you have been lying about my words?

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#689066 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-06-05 21:42 -0400
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<pf7f00$g93$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#689006

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:fnomgiFbpqgU23@mid.individual.net...
> On 6/5/18 3:44 PM, Scout wrote:
>>> 1) 
>>> https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview
>>>
>>> | First, the second amendment was passed as an
>>> | assurance to the states that they would have the
>>> | right to maintain their own militias.
>>
>> And to maintain their own militias required a generally armed populous 
>> upon which to draw to form such a militia when needed.
>>
>> The argument is shut down because it gets past the first sentence.
>>
>> Further I see nothing in the 2nd about the right of the states to have a 
>> militia.
>
> Interesting theory. Any reason I should accept your view of it over the 
> scholars, ESPECIALLY when you have been lying about my words?

Because the scholar you have been looking at have been lying to you?

Oh, and I would like to see you cite where I lied about your words.

 

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#689070 — Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.

FromSnit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date2018-06-05 19:12 -0700
SubjectRe: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service.
Message-ID<fnou8tFbpqgU38@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689066
On 6/5/18 6:42 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
> news:fnomgiFbpqgU23@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/5/18 3:44 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>> 1) 
>>>> https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> | First, the second amendment was passed as an
>>>> | assurance to the states that they would have the
>>>> | right to maintain their own militias.
>>>
>>> And to maintain their own militias required a generally armed 
>>> populous upon which to draw to form such a militia when needed.
>>>
>>> The argument is shut down because it gets past the first sentence.
>>>
>>> Further I see nothing in the 2nd about the right of the states to 
>>> have a militia.
>>
>> Interesting theory. Any reason I should accept your view of it over 
>> the scholars, ESPECIALLY when you have been lying about my words?
> 
> Because the scholar you have been looking at have been lying to you?
> 
> Oh, and I would like to see you cite where I lied about your words.

See above where you insist scholars are lying. Do this search:

<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=second+amendment+history>

See what you find. NO hand-picking... what are your first several 
relevant hits?


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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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