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| Started by | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| First post | 2018-05-12 21:23 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-05-15 18:09 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 176 — 11 participants |
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Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 21:23 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 21:59 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-13 06:56 +0200
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 15:18 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 00:53 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 04:20 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 14:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:05 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:09 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 08:57 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 07:56 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 23:10 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 08:49 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 13:31 -0700
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-16 14:06 -0700
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 07:17 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:57 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 09:12 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:17 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 11:45 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-14 22:46 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 13:50 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 00:50 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:47 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:08 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:27 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:47 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 09:58 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:26 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 21:58 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 13:21 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:50 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:03 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:03 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:50 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 18:45 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:52 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:23 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:39 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-21 19:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 13:41 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 00:02 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 14:36 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:04 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:31 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:43 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 19:18 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 06:46 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:59 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:23 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:08 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:33 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:02 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:17 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:49 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:27 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:41 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-21 19:30 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 13:44 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 00:07 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 14:39 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:09 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:13 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:51 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:11 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:52 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:25 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 18:05 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:47 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:29 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 22:45 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:13 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 17:26 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 08:10 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:20 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:23 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:03 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:22 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:43 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:11 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 20:55 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 14:27 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:26 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:16 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:04 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:19 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:53 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 03:04 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:28 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:10 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:35 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:20 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:05 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:21 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:56 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:19 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:22 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:15 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 01:40 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:51 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:37 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 10:55 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:59 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:29 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:15 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 17:31 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 08:54 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:21 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:21 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:30 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 01:39 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:54 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:03 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 09:04 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:30 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-15 19:18 -0600
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 22:01 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:34 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:31 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:00 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:30 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 22:27 -0700
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 00:55 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-13 12:22 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:08 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:02 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:45 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 09:06 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:01 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 20:16 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:36 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 08:40 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:05 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:31 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 22:07 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-16 04:06 -0600
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 00:57 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 16:06 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:33 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:26 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:18 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-16 08:00 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:39 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 00:54 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 15:43 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:36 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:01 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:04 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:29 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:30 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:32 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:39 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:42 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:53 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:09 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 19:55 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:10 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 10:24 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 18:09 -0400
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-21 07:39 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fme88aFjn2mU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686087 |
On 18/05/2018 11:23 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote: >>> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote: >>>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! >>>>>>>>>>>> OK? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. >>>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you >>>>>>>>> say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >>>>>>>> Trevor claims he is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >>>>>>> subject >>>>>>> of AGW theory. >>>>>> >>>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge >>>>> >>>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an expert >>>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current dogma. >>>> >>>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to be >>>> any >>>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though. >>> >>> you make stuff up. >>> >>> you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss >>> >>> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar. >> >> **Already done. Pay closer attention in future. > > > We acknowledge your inability to support your claims and thus your > admission you are a liar. > > **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, you have failed to supply any peer-reviewed science that contradicts the accepted model of AGW theory. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-21 19:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdvmfe$oc5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686382 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fme88aFjn2mU2@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 11:23 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote: >>>>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! >>>>>>>>>>>>> OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. >>>>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you >>>>>>>>>> say. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >>>>>>>>> Trevor claims he is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>> of AGW theory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge >>>>>> >>>>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an expert >>>>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current dogma. >>>>> >>>>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to be >>>>> any >>>>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though. >>>> >>>> you make stuff up. >>>> >>>> you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss >>>> >>>> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar. >>> >>> **Already done. Pay closer attention in future. >> >> >> We acknowledge your inability to support your claims and thus your >> admission you are a liar. >> >> > > **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, You still have yet to support support for your claims.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 13:41 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fmhhr4Fb3lhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686569 |
On 22/05/2018 9:28 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fme88aFjn2mU2@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 11:23 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard >>>>>>>>>>> name-calling. >>>>>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are >>>>>>>>>>> considered very >>>>>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything >>>>>>>>>>> you say. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >>>>>>>>>> Trevor claims he is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >>>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>>> of AGW theory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an >>>>>>> expert >>>>>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current >>>>>>> dogma. >>>>>> >>>>>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to >>>>>> be any >>>>>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though. >>>>> >>>>> you make stuff up. >>>>> >>>>> you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss >>>>> >>>>> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar. >>>> >>>> **Already done. Pay closer attention in future. >>> >>> >>> We acknowledge your inability to support your claims and thus your >>> admission you are a liar. >>> >>> >> >> **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, > > You still have yet to support support for your claims. **Here is the full text you snipped: **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, you have failed to supply any peer-reviewed science that contradicts the accepted model of AGW theory. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 00:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pe05ho$bgo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686595 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fmhhr4Fb3lhU1@mid.individual.net... > On 22/05/2018 9:28 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fme88aFjn2mU2@mid.individual.net... >>> On 18/05/2018 11:23 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard >>>>>>>>>>>> name-calling. >>>>>>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you >>>>>>>>>>>> say. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> Trevor claims he is. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >>>>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>>>> of AGW theory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an >>>>>>>> expert >>>>>>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current >>>>>>>> dogma. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to be >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though. >>>>>> >>>>>> you make stuff up. >>>>>> >>>>>> you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar. >>>>> >>>>> **Already done. Pay closer attention in future. >>>> >>>> >>>> We acknowledge your inability to support your claims and thus your >>>> admission you are a liar. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, >> >> You still have yet to support support for your claims. > > **Here is the full text you snipped: > > **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, you have failed to supply > any peer-reviewed science that contradicts the accepted model of AGW > theory. I have complied with your request to the standard set by yourself for such information.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 14:36 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fmhl27Fbo9aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686600 |
On 22/05/2018 2:02 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fmhhr4Fb3lhU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 22/05/2018 9:28 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fme88aFjn2mU2@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 18/05/2018 11:23 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extended period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard >>>>>>>>>>>>> name-calling. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered very >>>>>>>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything >>>>>>>>>>>>> you say. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the >>>>>>>>>>>> subject as >>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor claims he is. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >>>>>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>>>>> of AGW theory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an >>>>>>>>> expert >>>>>>>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current >>>>>>>>> dogma. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim >>>>>>>> to be any >>>>>>>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you make stuff up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Already done. Pay closer attention in future. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We acknowledge your inability to support your claims and thus your >>>>> admission you are a liar. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, >>> >>> You still have yet to support support for your claims. >> >> **Here is the full text you snipped: >> >> **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, you have failed to >> supply any peer-reviewed science that contradicts the accepted model >> of AGW theory. > > I have complied with your request to the standard set by yourself for > such information. > > **No, you have not. As previously requested, I provided the relevant sections from the IPCC reports. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pe0e3j$ks4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686604 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fmhl27Fbo9aU1@mid.individual.net... > On 22/05/2018 2:02 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fmhhr4Fb3lhU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 22/05/2018 9:28 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fme88aFjn2mU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 18/05/2018 11:23 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> name-calling. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you say. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor claims he is. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>>>>>> of AGW theory. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an >>>>>>>>>> expert >>>>>>>>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current >>>>>>>>>> dogma. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to >>>>>>>>> be any >>>>>>>>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio >>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you make stuff up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you know very little about he subject so you are unable to >>>>>>>> discuss >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a >>>>>>>> liar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Already done. Pay closer attention in future. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We acknowledge your inability to support your claims and thus your >>>>>> admission you are a liar. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, >>>> >>>> You still have yet to support support for your claims. >>> >>> **Here is the full text you snipped: >>> >>> **On the contrary, despite repeated requests, you have failed to supply >>> any peer-reviewed science that contradicts the accepted model of AGW >>> theory. >> >> I have complied with your request to the standard set by yourself for >> such information. >> >> > > **No, you have not. Yes, I have. If you don't like your own standard...then maybe you should have picked a better one.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 08:48 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6f6jFsrukU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685992 |
On 18/05/2018 8:03 AM, Sergio wrote: > On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>> >>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. >>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very >>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say. >>> >>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >>> Trevor claims he is. >> >> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the subject >> of AGW theory. > > agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge **OK. I accept that. I'm certainly not a climatoloist, nor am I a scientist. Neither are you, for that matter. And your yappy little lap-dog, benj, isn't either. > >>> >>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors. >> >> **Then do so and stop lying. > > he is not lying. **Sure he is. I proved it. > >> >>> >>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact >>> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to >>> the vast amounts naturally occurring. >> >> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from >> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate. > > => you are making that up. or provide URL. ** www.ipcc.ch > => you are not qualified to decide 9% alters climate either, you are > not a scientist. **Correct. _I_ am not qualified to decide that. Nor are you, since you are not a climatologist, nor are you a scientist. However, all the planet's climatologists are qualified to make that declaration. > >> >>> >>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect but instead >>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss >>> the argument. >> >> **You fucking liar. > > you have lost the conversation by swearing, **That would be your opinion. And a wrong one. Swearing does not invalidate the facts. it is red herring to move > conversation to emotional terms. Is this because Trevor is a girlie man, > or has no depth in the subject? **Nope. Just trying to wake up those who lack the intellect to discuss rationally. > > > >> I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to >> imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will >> have no effect on this planet's climate. > > got URL ? ** www.ipcc.ch your making this stuff up. **That would be your claim. Now YOU supply your peer-reviewed proof that I am wrong. > >> So we know, beyond any doubt, > > says you, porkhead > >> that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the >> extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing? > > another phony made up number 43% **Really? Supply your peer-reviewed proof that I am wrong. > >> >> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in >> past climate shifts: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg >> >> > look closer, gumba, > it shows we are going into another ice age; > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg **The descent into an ice age is preceded by FALLING temperatures you moron. We are experiencing RISING temperatures. Is this some kind of 'New Science' you've invented, where hot=cold? You reckon you were trained in science? I call bullshit. > > > >> A point I fail to address. >> >> >>> >>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims >>> is necessary. >> > <snip crap> > -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 18:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <N%mLC.41813$p05.36135@fx28.iad> |
| In reply to | #685974 |
On 5/17/2018 5:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>> >>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>> >>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. >>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very >>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say. >> >> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >> Trevor claims he is. > > **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the subject > of AGW theory. I have claimed that I know a great deal more than you do, > however. > >> >> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors. > > **Then do so and stop lying. > >> >> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact >> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to >> the vast amounts naturally occurring. > > **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from > this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate. And again, since CO2 is a MINOR GHG and human prouction is only 9% if that means that if all of Paris and Kyoto were followed to the letter there would be no noticeable effect on climate whatsoever. So we all get to live like the dark ages with no benefit from it at all. Idiot. >> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect but instead >> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss >> the argument. > > **You fucking liar. I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to > imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will > have no effect on this planet's climate. So we know, beyond any doubt, > that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the > extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing? 9% of a minor effect? Your scary temperature rise is little more than a degree or so. All you FUD is based on nothing but could, might, may, seems, should, etc. What fantasy world do you live in? Oh that's right OZ. I withdraw the question. > I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in > past climate shifts: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg > > > A point you fail to address. Correlation is not causality. If increasing CO2 caused global warming then please explain how from 1940-1970 CO2 levels went UP while global temperature wend DOWN? "I said so" is not science nor an accepted explanation. > >> >> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims >> is necessary. > > **All you need to do is think critically and read the damned science, > rather than watching Fox News. No science on CNN, Trevor, and now the seems to be no longer any on PBS. BBC is always good for climate propaganda though. You can paste that here and call it science. It has to be about your level of understanding. Idiot.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 08:31 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6e7dFsm0kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685993 |
On 18/05/2018 8:04 AM, benj wrote: > On 5/17/2018 5:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, security >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>> to say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>> global warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>> period of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>> period between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>> extensive global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>> before man was even an actor on the stage and operate via >>>>>>>> natural processes neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>> calculations is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, >>>>>> yappy lap-dog. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>> >>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. >>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very >>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say. >>> >>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >>> Trevor claims he is. >> >> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >> subject of AGW theory. I have claimed that I know a great deal more >> than you do, however. >> >>> >>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors. >> >> **Then do so and stop lying. >> >>> >>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the >>> fact that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in >>> comparison to the vast amounts naturally occurring. >> >> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from >> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate. > > And again, since CO2 is a MINOR GHG and human prouction is only 9% if > that means that if all of Paris and Kyoto were followed to the letter > there would be no noticeable effect on climate whatsoever. **Prove it. Take as much space as you need and don't forget your cites. So we all get > to live like the dark ages with no benefit from it at all. **Prove it. Idiot. **Pot, kettle, black, moron. > >>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect but instead >>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss >>> the argument. >> >> **You fucking liar. I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem >> to imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions >> will have no effect on this planet's climate. So we know, beyond any >> doubt, that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine >> that the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing? > > 9% of a minor effect? Your scary temperature rise is little more than a > degree or so. **You seem to neglect the fact that the CO2 is accumulating in the atmosphere. So far, humans have increased CO2 levels by 43%. It rises every year. All you FUD is based on nothing but could, might, may, > seems, should, etc. What fantasy world do you live in? Oh that's right > OZ. I withdraw the question. > >> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in >> past climate shifts: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg >> >> >> A point you fail to address. > > Correlation is not causality. **Well, no, it isn't. However, there are several things we know. Those things are beyond dispute: 1) CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas. This has been shown, experimentally, to be the case for more than 150 years. 2) CO2 rise and temperature rise are inextricably linked and have been for millions of years. When one rises, the other tracks that rise. Always. If increasing CO2 caused global warming > then please explain how from 1940-1970 CO2 levels went UP while global > temperature wend DOWN? "I said so" is not science nor an accepted > explanation. **I have responded to this point of yours several times in the past. However, it seems your brain injury is causing you a loss of medium term memory. For that, you have my sympathy. I hope the prognosis for your recovery is good. That said, I will explain once more (and, due to your obvious, tragic condition, I will continue to do so): The reason why the warming did not continue as it was expected to during that period of the 20th century, was because vast amounts of aerosol pollution covered the planet, until strong pollution controls were enacted by all the major industrial nations in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The pollution prevent significant amounts of Solar radiation from reaching the planet. I trust the treatment for your brain injury is progressing well. > >> >>> >>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he >>> claims is necessary. >> >> **All you need to do is think critically and read the damned science, >> rather than watching Fox News. > > No science on CNN, Trevor, and now the seems to be no longer any on PBS. **Doesn't concern me, as I don't watch either. I READ. > BBC is always good for climate propaganda though. **I don't watch BBC either. I READ. You can paste that > here and call it science. It has to be about your level of understanding. > > Idiot. **Like I said: I trust that your brain injury can be treated. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 08:43 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <4eydnZaMXJI9mGPHnZ2dnUU7-dudnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #685993 |
On 18/05/2018 8:04 AM, benj wrote: > On 5/17/2018 5:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, security >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>> to say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>> global warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>> period of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>> period between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>> extensive global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>> before man was even an actor on the stage and operate via >>>>>>>> natural processes neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>> calculations is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, >>>>>> yappy lap-dog. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>> >>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. >>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very >>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say. >>> >>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >>> Trevor claims he is. >> >> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >> subject of AGW theory. I have claimed that I know a great deal more >> than you do, however. >> >>> >>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors. >> >> **Then do so and stop lying. >> >>> >>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the >>> fact that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in >>> comparison to the vast amounts naturally occurring. >> >> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from >> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate. > > And again, since CO2 is a MINOR GHG and human prouction is only 9% if > that means that if all of Paris and Kyoto were followed to the letter > there would be no noticeable effect on climate whatsoever. So we all get > to live like the dark ages with no benefit from it at all. Idiot. CO2 is not the only GHG > >>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect but instead >>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss >>> the argument. >> >> **You fucking liar. I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem >> to imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions >> will have no effect on this planet's climate. So we know, beyond any >> doubt, that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine >> that the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing? > > 9% of a minor effect? Your scary temperature rise is little more than a > degree or so. All you FUD is based on nothing but could, might, may, > seems, should, etc. What fantasy world do you live in? Oh that's right > OZ. I withdraw the question. > >> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in >> past climate shifts: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg >> >> >> A point you fail to address. > > Correlation is not causality. MY GOD you managed to get you gun fall-back position in a climate change debate If increasing CO2 caused global warming it is > then please explain how from 1940-1970 CO2 levels went UP while global > temperature wend DOWN? Other factors "I said so" is not science nor an accepted > explanation. > >> >>> >>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he >>> claims is necessary. >> >> **All you need to do is think critically and read the damned science, >> rather than watching Fox News. > > No science on CNN, Trevor, and now the seems to be no longer any on PBS. > BBC is always good for climate propaganda though. You can paste that > here and call it science. It has to be about your level of understanding. > > Idiot.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 19:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <U4oLC.86460$np1.78069@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #686011 |
On 5/17/2018 6:43 PM, de chucka wrote: > On 18/05/2018 8:04 AM, benj wrote: >> On 5/17/2018 5:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message >>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad... >>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>> message news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently >>>>>>>>>>>> at a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists believe we have already passed the tipping >>>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>> natural processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X >>>>>>>>>> 10^9 Tonnes. That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>>> to say? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>> global warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an >>>>>>>>> extended period of extensive global cooling. An interglacial >>>>>>>>> period is an period between Ice Ages denoted by an extended >>>>>>>>> period of extensive global warming. These have occurred >>>>>>>>> multiple times before man was even an actor on the stage and >>>>>>>>> operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor >>>>>>>>> involving man. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>> calculations is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, >>>>>>> yappy lap-dog. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>> percentage. >>>>> >>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. >>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered >>>>> very bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you >>>>> say. >>>> >>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as >>>> Trevor claims he is. >>> >>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the >>> subject of AGW theory. I have claimed that I know a great deal more >>> than you do, however. >>> >>>> >>>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors. >>> >>> **Then do so and stop lying. >>> >>>> >>>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the >>>> fact that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in >>>> comparison to the vast amounts naturally occurring. >>> >>> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from >>> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate. >> >> And again, since CO2 is a MINOR GHG and human prouction is only 9% if >> that means that if all of Paris and Kyoto were followed to the letter >> there would be no noticeable effect on climate whatsoever. So we all >> get to live like the dark ages with no benefit from it at all. Idiot. > > CO2 is not the only GHG > >> >>>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect but instead >>>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss >>>> the argument. >>> >>> **You fucking liar. I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem >>> to imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions >>> will have no effect on this planet's climate. So we know, beyond any >>> doubt, that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine >>> that the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing? >> >> 9% of a minor effect? Your scary temperature rise is little more than >> a degree or so. All you FUD is based on nothing but could, might, may, >> seems, should, etc. What fantasy world do you live in? Oh that's right >> OZ. I withdraw the question. >> >>> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures >>> in past climate shifts: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg >>> >>> >>> A point you fail to address. >> >> Correlation is not causality. > > MY GOD you managed to get you gun fall-back position in a climate > change debate > If increasing CO2 caused global warming > > it is > >> then please explain how from 1940-1970 CO2 levels went UP while global >> temperature wend DOWN? > > Other factors Then obviously, upchuck, 'other factors' are the cause and not CO2. So why do you greens want to tax CO2 instead of the 'other factors" that are more important?
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 06:46 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685713 |
On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked >>>>>>>>>>>>> for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> track. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio >>>>>>>>>>>>> is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I >>>>>>>>>>> merely >>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the >>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it >>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a >>>>>>> little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>> >>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>> >>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>> >>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>> >>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, >>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger >>>>>>> fish" are you referring to? >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to >>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one >>>>>> percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>> >>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>> That's around 9%. >>>> >>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>> >>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>> >>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>> >>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>> climate...... N O T >>>> >>>> >>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say? >>>> >>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>> >>>> >>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>> >>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>> >>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>> >>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of >>>> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global >>>> warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was even an >>>> actor on the stage and operate via natural processes neither caused >>>> by man nor involving man. >>>> >>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>> >>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there >>>>> is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>> >>>> I would ask you the same question. >>> >>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>> >> >> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations is >> not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. > > Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. > > **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a really, REALLY dumb mistake. Here's a quick primer in Radiative forcing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing And here is a chart showing the Solar forcing factor of several atmospheric gases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#Contribution_of_clouds_to_Earth's_greenhouse_effect Note the disproportionate effects of CO2 and, particularly, methane. Both gases are 'heavy hitters' in the greenhouse gas area. Apropos of nothing in particular, you should know that the legal BAC limit for commercial drivers in the US is now 0.04%. 400ppm. Coincidentally, close to the same figure of CO2 in the atmosphere. Just sayin'. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 02:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdj9s0$c89$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685821 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... > On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I >>>>>>>>>>>> merely >>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it >>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little >>>>>>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we >>>>>>>> have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>> >>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, >>>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger >>>>>>>> fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to >>>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one >>>>>>> percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>> >>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>> >>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>> >>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>>> >>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say? >>>>> >>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>> >>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of >>>>> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period between >>>>> Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global warming. >>>>> These have occurred multiple times before man was even an actor on the >>>>> stage and operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor >>>>> involving man. >>>>> >>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>> >>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is >>>>>> no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>> >>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>> >>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>> >>> >>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations is >>> not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >> >> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >> >> > > **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think > that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the atmospheric > gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a really, REALLY dumb > mistake. Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to drive the climate for the entire planet. Needless to say there is evidence that the world was warming during the Roman period and early middle ages than it is today. Apparently all the industrial emissions from the heavy industry of those period is to be blamed for that warm period. If not, then somehow is going to have to explain how it got so warm back then by natural processes and why those aren't the same processing taking place today. See that's the whole issue. For 99.999999999999% of the time, the climate change of the planet was all natural...but suddenly in the last few years it's only changing because of what man is doing.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 07:23 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6a70FrrcmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685916 |
On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it >>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a >>>>>>>>> little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, >>>>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger >>>>>>>>> fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to >>>>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of >>>>>>>> one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>> >>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>> >>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>> >>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>> say? >>>>>> >>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global >>>>>> warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was even an >>>>>> actor on the stage and operate via natural processes neither >>>>>> caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>> >>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>> >>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there >>>>>>> is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>> >>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>> >>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>> >>>> >>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>> >>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>> >>> >> >> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the atmospheric >> gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a really, REALLY >> dumb mistake. > > Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas > emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% is significant. > > But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to drive > the climate for the entire planet. **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: What secret scientific knowledge do _you_ possess, that we might accept your uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's climate? In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the planet agrees that CO2 acts to ensure that the planet is warmer than it otherwise would be. Even the denier's poster boy, Lindzen, accepts the critical role of CO2 in making this planet habitable. > > Needless to say there is evidence that the world was warming during the > Roman period and early middle ages than it is today. **Really? Wanna provide some proof of your claim? Didn't think so. Here is what the warming period you refer to looked like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period#/media/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png > > Apparently all the industrial emissions from the heavy industry of those > period is to be blamed for that warm period. **Let's get real here. CO2 is _a_ driver of climate. There are others. They include a range of factors, including changes on Solar activity, volcanic eruptions and other things. We can't be certain why the various warming periods occurred in the past, but increased Solar activity is thought to be one of the big ones. However, the catch for us today is this: We are in the middle of a time of VERY low Solar activity. It has been so for a couple of Solar cycles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle#/media/File:Solar_Cycle_Prediction.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#/media/File:Changes_in_total_solar_irradiance_and_monthly_sunspot_numbers,_1975-2013.png Now, despite the very low Solar activity, we are experiencing RISING temperatures. In fact, the highest temperatures ever recorded have been in the past 20 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record#Warmest_years > > If not, then somehow is going to have to explain how it got so warm back > then by natural processes and why those aren't the same processing > taking place today. **Well, the Solar activity thing seems like the most plausible reason. And, as I stated earlier, the real worry is this: We are in the middle of a time of very low Solar activity, yet temperatures are STILL rising. This is highly unusual, since we know that when Solar activity was low in the past, the planet became very cold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum Now, the question becomes this: We are experiencing rising temperatures, despite low Solar activity. What will happen when Solar activity returns to it's long term normal? It may be a very uncomfortable time indeed. > > See that's the whole issue. For 99.999999999999% of the time, the > climate change of the planet was all natural...but suddenly in the last > few years it's only changing because of what man is doing. **Well, duh. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 17:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pdkugh$1gbj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #685980 |
On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>> >>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >> >> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. > > **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% > is significant. got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT > >> >> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >> drive the climate for the entire planet. > > **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: > > What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept > my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's > climate? answer your question yourself, fat monkey. > > In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the > planet lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like Nads and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock > agrees that CO2 acts to ensure that the planet is warmer than it > otherwise would be. Even the denier's poster boy, Lindzen, accepts the > critical role of CO2 in making this planet habitable. > >> >> Needless to say there is evidence that the world was warming during >> the Roman period and early middle ages than it is today. <snip crap> >> >> Apparently all the industrial emissions from the heavy industry of >> those period is to be blamed for that warm period. > <snip crap> > >> >> If not, then somehow is going to have to explain how it got so warm >> back then by natural processes and why those aren't the same >> processing taking place today. > <snip crap> > >> >> See that's the whole issue. For 99.999999999999% of the time, the >> climate change of the planet was all natural...but suddenly in the >> last few years it's only changing because of what man is doing. > >
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 08:33 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685996 |
On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: > On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>> >>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >> >> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >> is significant. > > got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT ** www.ipcc.ch > >> >>> >>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >> >> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >> >> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >> climate? > > answer your question yourself, fat monkey. > > >> >> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the >> planet > > lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like Nads > and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 acts to warm this planet. > >> agrees that CO2 acts to ensure that the planet is warmer than it >> otherwise would be. Even the denier's poster boy, Lindzen, accepts the >> critical role of CO2 in making this planet habitable. >> >>> >>> Needless to say there is evidence that the world was warming during >>> the Roman period and early middle ages than it is today. > > <snip crap> > >>> >>> Apparently all the industrial emissions from the heavy industry of >>> those period is to be blamed for that warm period. >> > <snip crap> >> >>> >>> If not, then somehow is going to have to explain how it got so warm >>> back then by natural processes and why those aren't the same >>> processing taking place today. >> > <snip crap> >> >>> >>> See that's the whole issue. For 99.999999999999% of the time, the >>> climate change of the planet was all natural...but suddenly in the >>> last few years it's only changing because of what man is doing. >> > >> > -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 20:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdl6f9$j4d$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686009 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>> percentage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>> >>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>> >>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>> is significant. >> >> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT > > ** www.ipcc.ch > > >> >>> >>>> >>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>> >>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>> >>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>> climate? >> >> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >> >> >>> >>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the >>> planet >> >> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like Nads >> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock > > **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 acts to > warm this planet. Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of the total. I fail to see how that suddenly becomes an issue. I mean if I turn on a light bulb that is technically going to warm the house.....but next to the heat produced by the central heating system.....the light bulb's impact on the overall temperature is insignificant. So how do you go from what would seem to be an insignificant input to asserting that it's a significant input and even the driving input to heating the house....or in this case the planet.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 11:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686044 |
On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>> >>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>> >>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>>> is significant. >>> >>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >> >> ** www.ipcc.ch >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>> >>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>> >>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>>> climate? >>> >>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the >>>> planet >>> >>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like Nads >>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >> >> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 acts >> to warm this planet. > > Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of the > total. **Except it's not insignificant: https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much warmer 59°F (15°C)." So, what NASA is saying, is that without 280ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, the average temperature of the planet would be around -18 degrees C, rather than +15 degrees C. I don't call that insignificant. Do you? > > I fail to see how that suddenly becomes an issue. > > I mean if I turn on a light bulb that is technically going to warm the > house.....but next to the heat produced by the central heating > system.....the light bulb's impact on the overall temperature is > insignificant. **The outcome of that experiment would depend on a number of factors that you failed to state. They include: * The size of the house in cu metres. * The heat losses through windows, air leaks, roof, walls and floors. * The heat output of the light bulb. * The heat output of the central heating unit. IOW: With a small, perfectly sealed house, with minimal heat loss, the heat from a light bulb may be measurable. In a normal, lossy house, I would certainly expect an insignificant difference. > > So how do you go from what would seem to be an insignificant input to > asserting that it's a significant input and even the driving input to > heating the house....or in this case the planet. **The "insignificant" part is YOUR assertion. I've shown you that it is not insignificant. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 21:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdlas6$7if$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686064 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>> >>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>> >>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>>>> is significant. >>>> >>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>> >>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>> >>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>> >>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>>>> climate? >>>> >>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the >>>>> planet >>>> >>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like Nads >>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>> >>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 acts to >>> warm this planet. >> >> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of the >> total. > > **Except it's not insignificant: > > https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ > > " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average > temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much warmer 59°F > (15°C)." So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus does NOT support your claim. Gee, that seems like a pretty big mistake for you to make Trevor. It might even cause one to think you fail to understand basic science.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 11:49 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686085 |
On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 >>>>>> emissions. 9% >>>>>> is significant. >>>>> >>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>> >>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>> >>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>>>>> climate? >>>>> >>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the >>>>>> planet >>>>> >>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like Nads >>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>> >>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 >>>> acts to warm this planet. >>> >>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of >>> the total. >> >> **Except it's not insignificant: >> >> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >> >> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much warmer >> 59°F (15°C)." > > > So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus does > NOT support your claim. **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, increased the average temperature of this planet by a little more than 1 degree C. > > Gee, that seems like a pretty big mistake for you to make Trevor. **Only a complete moron would make that leap. It > might even cause one to think you fail to understand basic science. **Like I said: Study the science. You might learn something. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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