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Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii

Started bybenj <benj@nobody.net>
First post2018-05-12 21:23 -0400
Last post2018-05-15 18:09 -0400
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  Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 21:23 -0400
    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 21:59 -0500
      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-13 06:56 +0200
        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 15:18 +1000
          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 00:53 -0500
            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 04:20 +1000
              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 14:28 -0400
                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:05 -0500
                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:09 -0400
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 08:57 -0500
                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 07:56 +1000
                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 23:10 -0400
                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 08:49 -0500
                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 13:31 -0700
                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-16 14:06 -0700
                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 07:17 +1000
                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:57 -0500
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 09:12 +1000
                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:17 -0400
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 11:45 +1000
                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-14 22:46 -0400
                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 13:50 +1000
                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 00:50 -0400
                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:47 +1000
                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:08 -0400
                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:27 +1000
                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:47 -0400
                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 09:58 -0400
                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:26 +1000
                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 21:58 -0400
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 13:21 -0400
                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:50 -0400
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:03 +1000
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:03 -0500
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:28 -0400
                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:50 +1000
                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 18:45 -0500
                                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:52 +1000
                                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:23 -0400
                                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:39 +1000
                                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-21 19:28 -0400
                                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 13:41 +1000
                                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 00:02 -0400
                                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 14:36 +1000
                                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:48 +1000
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:04 -0400
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:31 +1000
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:43 +1000
                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 19:18 -0400
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 06:46 +1000
                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:59 -0400
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:23 +1000
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:08 -0500
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:33 +1000
                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:13 -0400
                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:02 +1000
                                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:17 -0400
                                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:49 +1000
                                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:27 -0400
                                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:41 +1000
                                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-21 19:30 -0400
                                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 13:44 +1000
                                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 00:07 -0400
                                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 14:39 +1000
                                                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:09 -0400
                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000
                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:13 -0400
                                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:51 +1000
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:06 -0400
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000
                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:11 -0400
                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:52 +1000
                                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:25 -0400
                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 18:05 -0400
                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:47 +1000
                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:29 -0400
                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 22:45 -0400
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:13 +1000
                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 17:26 -0400
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 08:10 +1000
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:20 -0500
                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:23 -0400
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:03 +1000
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:22 -0400
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:43 +1000
                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:11 +1000
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 20:55 -0400
                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 14:27 +1000
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:26 -0500
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:16 -0400
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:04 +1000
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:19 -0400
                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:53 +1000
                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:28 -0400
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 03:04 -0400
                                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:28 +1000
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:10 -0500
                                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:35 +1000
                                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:20 -0400
                                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:05 +1000
                                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:21 -0400
                                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:56 +1000
                                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:28 -0400
                                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:19 -0400
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:22 -0500
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:15 -0400
                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 01:40 -0400
                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:51 +1000
                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:06 -0400
                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:37 +1000
                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 10:55 -0500
                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:59 +1000
                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:29 -0400
                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:15 +1000
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 17:31 -0400
                                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 08:54 -0500
                                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:21 +1000
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:21 -0400
                                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:30 -0500
                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 01:39 -0400
                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:54 +1000
                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:03 -0400
                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 09:04 -0500
                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:30 +1000
                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-15 19:18 -0600
                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 22:01 -0400
                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:34 +1000
                                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:31 -0500
                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:00 +1000
                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:30 -0400
      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 22:27 -0700
        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 00:55 -0500
          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-13 12:22 -0400
      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:08 -0400
        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:02 -0400
            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:45 +1000
              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 09:06 -0500
                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:01 +1000
                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 20:16 -0500
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:36 +1000
    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:06 -0400
      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 08:40 -0400
          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:05 +1000
            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:31 -0400
            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 22:07 -0400
              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-16 04:06 -0600
              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:48 +1000
                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 00:57 -0400
                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 16:06 +1000
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:33 -0500
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:26 -0400
                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:18 +1000
            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-16 08:00 -0400
              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:39 +1000
                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 00:54 -0400
                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 15:43 +1000
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:36 -0500
                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:06 -0400
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:01 -0400
                      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:04 +1000
                        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:29 -0400
                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:30 +1000
                          Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:32 +1000
                            Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:39 -0400
                              Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:42 +1000
                                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:53 -0400
                                  Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:09 +1000
                    Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 19:55 -0400
                Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:10 -0400
      Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 10:24 -0400
        Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 18:09 -0400

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#685493

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-15 11:45 +1000
Message-ID<fluseuF7qv4U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685492
On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new 
>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for their 
>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has caused 
>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its political
>>>>>>>     ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. The US
>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with it.
>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>
>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>
>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for NSA, 
>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt that 
>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>
>>>
>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," possibly
>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>
>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>
>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>
>>>
>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>
>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>
>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are employed 
>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is employed 
>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio is stupid.
> 
> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
> 
> 

**As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely 
carried it to its logical conclusion.

Now, to drag it back onto topic:

Why do you think global warming is occurring?
Do you think it is a potential problem?
If so, why?
If not, why not?

-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685505

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-05-14 22:46 -0400
Message-ID<59ikfdpddkgi84n93f49cubugk8dag5jkp@4ax.com>
In reply to#685493
On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new 
>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for their 
>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has caused 
>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its political
>>>>>>>>     ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. The US
>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with it.
>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>
>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for NSA, 
>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt that 
>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," possibly
>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>
>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>
>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>>
>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are employed 
>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is employed 
>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio is stupid.
>> 
>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>> 
>> 
>
>**As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely 
>carried it to its logical conclusion.
>
>Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>
>Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>Do you think it is a potential problem?

*Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
and prosperity on Earth?"

Recall this:
On Sat, 12 May 2018 08:57:03 -0400, kensi wrote:
>UN Climate Change today launched its first-ever Annual Report, laying 
>out the key 2017 achievements and pointing to the future of the climate 
>change process. "Climate Change is the single biggest threat to life, 
>security and prosperity on Earth," said UN Climate Change:

>If so, why?
>If not, why not?

First, we need to dial in the scale of the "problem."

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#685511

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-15 13:50 +1000
Message-ID<flv3pcF97jvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685505
On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for their
>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its political
>>>>>>>>>      ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. The US
>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with it.
>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>
>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for NSA,
>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt that
>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," possibly
>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>
>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>>>
>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are employed
>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is employed
>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio is stupid.
>>>
>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely
>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>
>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>
>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
> 
> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
> and prosperity on Earth?"

**It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the 
planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it 
promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.

> 
> Recall this:
> On Sat, 12 May 2018 08:57:03 -0400, kensi wrote:
>> UN Climate Change today launched its first-ever Annual Report, laying
>> out the key 2017 achievements and pointing to the future of the climate
>> change process. "Climate Change is the single biggest threat to life,
>> security and prosperity on Earth," said UN Climate Change:
> 
>> If so, why?
>> If not, why not?
> 
> First, we need to dial in the scale of the "problem."

**Then I suggest you read the IPCC reports. The potential costs and 
scale of the problem is outlined in some of their reports.



-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685517

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-05-15 00:50 -0400
Message-ID<qhpkfdle0mi1qfig63559sol8e3167gt7j@4ax.com>
In reply to#685511
On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> 
>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its political
>>>>>>>>>>      ones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. The US
>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with it.
>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for NSA,
>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt that
>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," possibly
>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are employed
>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is employed
>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio is stupid.
>>>>
>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely
>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>
>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>
>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>> 
>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>
>**It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the 
>planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it 
>promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.

Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.

Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence
(like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. 

>> 
>> Recall this:
>> On Sat, 12 May 2018 08:57:03 -0400, kensi wrote:
>>> UN Climate Change today launched its first-ever Annual Report, laying
>>> out the key 2017 achievements and pointing to the future of the climate
>>> change process. "Climate Change is the single biggest threat to life,
>>> security and prosperity on Earth," said UN Climate Change:
>> 
>>> If so, why?
>>> If not, why not?
>> 
>> First, we need to dial in the scale of the "problem."
>
>**Then I suggest you read the IPCC reports. The potential costs and 
>scale of the problem is outlined in some of their reports.

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#685524

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-15 15:47 +1000
Message-ID<flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685517
On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its political
>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with it.
>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for NSA,
>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt that
>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," possibly
>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are employed
>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is employed
>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely
>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>
>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>
>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>
>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>
>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
> 
> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.

**What "next" tipping point would that be?

The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little over 
410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have already 
passed the tipping point.


> 
> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence
> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.

**Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, there 
won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" are you 
referring to?


> 
>>>
>>> Recall this:
>>> On Sat, 12 May 2018 08:57:03 -0400, kensi wrote:
>>>> UN Climate Change today launched its first-ever Annual Report, laying
>>>> out the key 2017 achievements and pointing to the future of the climate
>>>> change process. "Climate Change is the single biggest threat to life,
>>>> security and prosperity on Earth," said UN Climate Change:
>>>
>>>> If so, why?
>>>> If not, why not?
>>>
>>> First, we need to dial in the scale of the "problem."
>>
>> **Then I suggest you read the IPCC reports. The potential costs and
>> scale of the problem is outlined in some of their reports.
> 

**So, have you read the reports yet? Do you have an idea of the scale of 
the problem?


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685540

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-05-15 02:08 -0400
Message-ID<pddtmq$bmf$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#685524

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its 
>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. The 
>>>>>>>>>>> US
>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with it.
>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for NSA,
>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt that
>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are employed
>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is 
>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio is 
>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely
>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>
>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>
>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>
>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>
> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>
> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little over 
> 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have already 
> passed the tipping point.

really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....



>
>
>>
>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence
>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>
> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, there 
> won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" are you 
> referring to?

Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop it or 
prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent of that 
released from natural processes.

 

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#685543

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-15 16:27 +1000
Message-ID<flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685540
On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The US
>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with 
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for 
>>>>>>>> NSA,
>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," 
>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are 
>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is 
>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio 
>>>>>>>> is stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely
>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>
>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>
>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>
>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>
>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little 
>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have 
>> already passed the tipping point.
> 
> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....

**Cite where you saw such a thing.

> 
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence
>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>
>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, there 
>> won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" are you 
>> referring to?
> 
> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop it 
> or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent of 
> that released from natural processes.

**Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural 
processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. That's 
around 9%.

So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say?

And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. Your 
knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. Which, of 
course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is no problem, 
if you are so ignorant of the facts?


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685547

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-05-15 02:47 -0400
Message-ID<pddvqi$me4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#685543

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with 
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for 
>>>>>>>>> NSA,
>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," 
>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the track.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are 
>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is 
>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio is 
>>>>>>>>> stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely
>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>
>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>
>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>
>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>
>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little over 
>>> 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have already 
>>> passed the tipping point.
>>
>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>
> **Cite where you saw such a thing.

Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.

>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence
>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>
>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, there 
>>> won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" are you 
>>> referring to?
>>
>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop it 
>> or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent of that 
>> released from natural processes.
>
> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural processes. 
> Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. That's around 9%.

CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere

What's 9% of 0.039%?

So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.

Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's climate......  N 
O T


> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say?

You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?


> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.

Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.

> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.

Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as well.

How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global warming 
and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of extensive global 
cooling. An interglacial period is an period between Ice Ages denoted by an 
extended period of extensive global warming. These have occurred multiple 
times before man was even an actor on the stage and operate via natural 
processes neither caused by man nor involving man.

My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to see........wait 
for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and natural process of the 
global climate of the planet.

How's that for a THEORY for you?



> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is no 
> problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?

I would ask you the same question.

 

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#685569

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-15 09:58 -0400
Message-ID<HIBKC.116700$R51.105722@fx03.iad>
In reply to#685547
On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked 
>>>>>>>>>> for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I 
>>>>>>>>>> doubt that
>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," 
>>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the 
>>>>>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are 
>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is 
>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio 
>>>>>>>>>> is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely
>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security
>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>
>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>
>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little 
>>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have 
>>>> already passed the tipping point.
>>>
>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>
>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
> 
> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
> 
>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence
>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>
>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, 
>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" 
>>>> are you referring to?
>>>
>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop 
>>> it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent 
>>> of that released from natural processes.
>>
>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural 
>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. That's 
>> around 9%.
> 
> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
> 
> What's 9% of 0.039%?
> 
> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
> 
> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's 
> climate......  N O T
> 
> 
>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say?
> 
> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
> 
> 
>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
> 
> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
> 
>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
> 
> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as well.
> 
> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global 
> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of 
> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period between 
> Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global warming. 
> These have occurred multiple times before man was even an actor on the 
> stage and operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor 
> involving man.
> 
> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to 
> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and natural 
> process of the global climate of the planet.
> 
> How's that for a THEORY for you?
> 
> 
> 
>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is 
>> no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
> 
> I would ask you the same question.

Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?

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#685674

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-16 09:26 +1000
Message-ID<fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685569
On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked 
>>>>>>>>>>> for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I 
>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," 
>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are 
>>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is 
>>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I 
>>>>>>>>> merely
>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, 
>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>
>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>
>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little 
>>>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we 
>>>>> have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>
>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>
>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>
>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>
>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence
>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, 
>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger 
>>>>> fish" are you referring to?
>>>>
>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to 
>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one 
>>>> percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>
>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural 
>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. 
>>> That's around 9%.
>>
>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>
>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>
>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
>>
>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's 
>> climate......  N O T
>>
>>
>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say?
>>
>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>
>>
>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>
>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>
>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>
>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as well.
>>
>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global 
>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of 
>> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period between 
>> Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global warming. 
>> These have occurred multiple times before man was even an actor on the 
>> stage and operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor 
>> involving man.
>>
>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to 
>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and 
>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>
>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is 
>>> no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>
>> I would ask you the same question.
> 
> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
> 

**That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations is 
not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.

-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685713

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-05-15 21:58 -0400
Message-ID<pdg4tb$2uk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#685674

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are 
>>>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I 
>>>>>>>>>> merely
>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, 
>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little 
>>>>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have 
>>>>>> already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>
>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>
>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>
>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without 
>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, there 
>>>>>> won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" are 
>>>>>> you referring to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop 
>>>>> it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent 
>>>>> of that released from natural processes.
>>>>
>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural 
>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. That's 
>>>> around 9%.
>>>
>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>
>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>
>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
>>>
>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's 
>>> climate......  N O T
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say?
>>>
>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>
>>>
>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>
>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>
>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>>
>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as well.
>>>
>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global 
>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of 
>>> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period between 
>>> Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global warming. 
>>> These have occurred multiple times before man was even an actor on the 
>>> stage and operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor 
>>> involving man.
>>>
>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to 
>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and natural 
>>> process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>
>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is no 
>>>> problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>
>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>
>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>
>
> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations is not 
> surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.

Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage.
 

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#685776

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-16 13:21 -0400
Message-ID<nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad>
In reply to#685713
On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven 
>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I 
>>>>>>>>>>> merely
>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, 
>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the
>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a 
>>>>>>> little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists 
>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>
>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without 
>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, 
>>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger 
>>>>>>> fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to 
>>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one 
>>>>>> percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural 
>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. 
>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>
>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>
>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>
>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's 
>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say?
>>>>
>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>
>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as 
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global 
>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of 
>>>> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period 
>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global 
>>>> warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was even an 
>>>> actor on the stage and operate via natural processes neither caused 
>>>> by man nor involving man.
>>>>
>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to 
>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and 
>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>
>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there 
>>>>> is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>
>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>
>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>
>>
>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations is 
>> not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
> 
> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage.

Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. 
Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very bad 
form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.

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#685915

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-05-17 02:50 -0400
Message-ID<pdj9s0$c89$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#685776

"benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message 
news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> merely
>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, 
>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>>>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little 
>>>>>>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we 
>>>>>>>> have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without 
>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, 
>>>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger 
>>>>>>>> fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to 
>>>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one 
>>>>>>> percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural 
>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. 
>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>
>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>
>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>
>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's 
>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as 
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global 
>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of 
>>>>> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period between 
>>>>> Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global warming. 
>>>>> These have occurred multiple times before man was even an actor on the 
>>>>> stage and operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor 
>>>>> involving man.
>>>>>
>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to 
>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and 
>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>
>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is 
>>>>>> no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>
>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>
>>>
>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations is 
>>> not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>
>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage.
>
> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. Needless 
> to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very bad form in 
> science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.

More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as Trevor 
claims he is.

So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors.

The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact that 
we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to the vast 
amounts naturally occurring.

Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect  but instead points 
out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss the argument.

If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims is 
necessary.
 

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#685974

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-18 07:03 +1000
Message-ID<fm692kFrjj2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685915
On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote:
> 
> 
> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message 
> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples 
>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it
>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at 
>>>>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a 
>>>>>>>>> little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists 
>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without 
>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, 
>>>>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger 
>>>>>>>>> fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to 
>>>>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of 
>>>>>>>> one percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural 
>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. 
>>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's 
>>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to 
>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as 
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global 
>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period 
>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period 
>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global 
>>>>>> warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was even an 
>>>>>> actor on the stage and operate via natural processes neither 
>>>>>> caused by man nor involving man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to 
>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and 
>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there 
>>>>>>> is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations 
>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>>
>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage.
>>
>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling. 
>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very 
>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.
> 
> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as Trevor 
> claims he is.

**Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the subject 
of AGW theory. I have claimed that I know a great deal more than you do, 
however.

> 
> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors.

**Then do so and stop lying.

> 
> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact 
> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to the 
> vast amounts naturally occurring.

**And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from 
this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate.

> 
> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect  but instead 
> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss the 
> argument.

**You fucking liar. I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to 
imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will 
have no effect on this planet's climate. So we know, beyond any doubt, 
that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the 
extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing?

I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in 
past climate shifts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg

A point you fail to address.


> 
> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims 
> is necessary.

**All you need to do is think critically and read the damned science, 
rather than watching Fox News.

Start here:

www.ipcc.ch


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685992

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-05-17 17:03 -0500
Message-ID<pdku8k$1fl3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#685974
On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message
>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur
>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at
>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists
>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without
>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are
>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak.
>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do
>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction
>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural
>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes.
>>>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's
>>>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to
>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses
>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global
>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period
>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period
>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive
>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was
>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes
>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to
>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and
>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain
>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations
>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage.
>>>
>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling.
>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very
>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.
>>
>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as
>> Trevor claims he is.
> 
> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the subject
> of AGW theory. 

agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge

>>
>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors.
> 
> **Then do so and stop lying.

he is not lying.

> 
>>
>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact
>> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to
>> the vast amounts naturally occurring.
> 
> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from
> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate.

=> you are making that up.  or provide URL.
=> you are not qualified to decide 9% alters climate either, you are
not a scientist.

> 
>>
>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect  but instead
>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss
>> the argument.
> 
> **You fucking liar. 

you have lost the conversation by swearing, it is red herring to move
conversation to emotional terms. Is this because Trevor is a girlie man,
or has no depth in the subject?



> I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to
> imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will
> have no effect on this planet's climate. 

got URL ?  your making this stuff up.

> So we know, beyond any doubt,

says you, porkhead

> that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the
> extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing?

    another phony made up number 43%

> 
> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in
> past climate shifts:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
> 
> 
look closer, gumba,
it shows we are going into another ice age;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg



> A point I fail to address.
> 
> 
>>
>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims
>> is necessary.
> 
<snip crap>

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#686007

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-17 18:28 -0400
Message-ID<PmnLC.117512$R51.60496@fx03.iad>
In reply to#685992
On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message
>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur
>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at
>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists
>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without
>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are
>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do
>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction
>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural
>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes.
>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's
>>>>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to
>>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses
>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global
>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period
>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period
>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive
>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was
>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes
>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to
>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and
>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain
>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations
>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage.
>>>>
>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling.
>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very
>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.
>>>
>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as
>>> Trevor claims he is.
>>
>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the subject
>> of AGW theory.
> 
> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge

He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an expert on 
anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current dogma.

>>>
>>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors.
>>
>> **Then do so and stop lying.
> 
> he is not lying.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact
>>> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to
>>> the vast amounts naturally occurring.
>>
>> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from
>> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate.
> 
> => you are making that up.  or provide URL.
> => you are not qualified to decide 9% alters climate either, you are
> not a scientist.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect  but instead
>>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss
>>> the argument.
>>
>> **You fucking liar.
> 
> you have lost the conversation by swearing, it is red herring to move
> conversation to emotional terms. Is this because Trevor is a girlie man,
> or has no depth in the subject?
> 
> 
> 
>> I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to
>> imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will
>> have no effect on this planet's climate.
> 
> got URL ?  your making this stuff up.
> 
>> So we know, beyond any doubt,
> 
> says you, porkhead
> 
>> that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the
>> extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing?
> 
>      another phony made up number 43%
> 
>>
>> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in
>> past climate shifts:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>>
>>
> look closer, gumba,
> it shows we are going into another ice age;
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
> 
> 
> 
>> A point I fail to address.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims
>>> is necessary.
>>
> <snip crap>
> 

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#686015

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-18 08:50 +1000
Message-ID<fm6f9qFsrukU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#686007
On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote:
> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote:
>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur
>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at
>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do
>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction
>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural
>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes.
>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of 
>>>>>>>>> CO2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's
>>>>>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to
>>>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses
>>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global
>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period
>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period
>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive
>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was
>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes
>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to
>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and
>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain
>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations
>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant 
>>>>>> percentage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling.
>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very
>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.
>>>>
>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as
>>>> Trevor claims he is.
>>>
>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the subject
>>> of AGW theory.
>>
>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge
> 
> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an expert on 
> anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current dogma.

**That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to be any 
kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though.

> 
>>>>
>>>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors.
>>>
>>> **Then do so and stop lying.
>>
>> he is not lying.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact
>>>> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to
>>>> the vast amounts naturally occurring.
>>>
>>> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from
>>> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate.
>>
>> => you are making that up.  or provide URL.
>> => you are not qualified to decide 9% alters climate either, you are
>> not a scientist.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect  but instead
>>>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss
>>>> the argument.
>>>
>>> **You fucking liar.
>>
>> you have lost the conversation by swearing, it is red herring to move
>> conversation to emotional terms. Is this because Trevor is a girlie man,
>> or has no depth in the subject?
>>
>>
>>
>>> I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to
>>> imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will
>>> have no effect on this planet's climate.
>>
>> got URL ?  your making this stuff up.
>>
>>> So we know, beyond any doubt,
>>
>> says you, porkhead
>>
>>> that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the
>>> extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing?
>>
>>      another phony made up number 43%
>>
>>>
>>> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in
>>> past climate shifts:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> look closer, gumba,
>> it shows we are going into another ice age;
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>>
>>
>>
>>> A point I fail to address.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims
>>>> is necessary.
>>>
>> <snip crap>
>>
> 


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#686038

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-05-17 18:45 -0500
Message-ID<pdl46p$1ncj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#686015
On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do
>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction
>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural
>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release
>>>>>>>>>> of CO2.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's
>>>>>>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to
>>>>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically
>>>>>>>>>>> lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses
>>>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global
>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period
>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period
>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive
>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was
>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes
>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to
>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and
>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain
>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations
>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant
>>>>>>> percentage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling.
>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very
>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.
>>>>>
>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as
>>>>> Trevor claims he is.
>>>>
>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the
>>>> subject
>>>> of AGW theory.
>>>
>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge
>>
>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an expert
>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current dogma.
> 
> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to be any
> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though.

you make stuff up.

 you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss

provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar.



> 
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors.
>>>>
>>>> **Then do so and stop lying.
>>>
>>> he is not lying.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact
>>>>> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to
>>>>> the vast amounts naturally occurring.
>>>>
>>>> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from
>>>> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate.
>>>
>>> => you are making that up.  or provide URL.
>>> => you are not qualified to decide 9% alters climate either, you are
>>> not a scientist.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect  but instead
>>>>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss
>>>>> the argument.
>>>>
>>>> **You fucking liar.
>>>
>>> you have lost the conversation by swearing, it is red herring to move
>>> conversation to emotional terms. Is this because Trevor is a girlie man,
>>> or has no depth in the subject?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to
>>>> imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will
>>>> have no effect on this planet's climate.
>>>
>>> got URL ?  your making this stuff up.
>>>
>>>> So we know, beyond any doubt,
>>>
>>> says you, porkhead
>>>
>>>> that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the
>>>> extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing?
>>>
>>>      another phony made up number 43%
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in
>>>> past climate shifts:
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> look closer, gumba,
>>> it shows we are going into another ice age;
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A point I fail to address.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims
>>>>> is necessary.
>>>>
>>> <snip crap>
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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#686054

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-18 10:52 +1000
Message-ID<fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#686038
On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural
>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release
>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's
>>>>>>>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically
>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses
>>>>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global
>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period
>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period
>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive
>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was
>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes
>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to
>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and
>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes!
>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations
>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant
>>>>>>>> percentage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling.
>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered very
>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as
>>>>>> Trevor claims he is.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the
>>>>> subject
>>>>> of AGW theory.
>>>>
>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge
>>>
>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an expert
>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current dogma.
>>
>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to be any
>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though.
> 
> you make stuff up.
> 
>   you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss
> 
> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar.

**Already done. Pay closer attention in future.

> 
> 
> 
>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm perfectly willing to admit to making errors.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Then do so and stop lying.
>>>>
>>>> he is not lying.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only problem I see is any errors made don't really change the fact
>>>>>> that we're talking a virtually insignificant amount in comparison to
>>>>>> the vast amounts naturally occurring.
>>>>>
>>>>> **And again: Humans are responsible for 9% of all CO2 emissions from
>>>>> this planet. 9% is enough to alter the climate.
>>>>
>>>> => you are making that up.  or provide URL.
>>>> => you are not qualified to decide 9% alters climate either, you are
>>>> not a scientist.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, Trevor doesn't want to discuss THAT aspect  but instead
>>>>>> points out anything other than utter perfection as cause to dismiss
>>>>>> the argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> **You fucking liar.
>>>>
>>>> you have lost the conversation by swearing, it is red herring to move
>>>> conversation to emotional terms. Is this because Trevor is a girlie man,
>>>> or has no depth in the subject?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I _have_ been discussing precisely that. You seem to
>>>>> imagine that the 40 BILLION Tonnes of CO2 emitted by human actions will
>>>>> have no effect on this planet's climate.
>>>>
>>>> got URL ?  your making this stuff up.
>>>>
>>>>> So we know, beyond any doubt,
>>>>
>>>> says you, porkhead
>>>>
>>>>> that CO2 is a driver of climate, how can you possibly imagine that the
>>>>> extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere will do nothing?
>>>>
>>>>       another phony made up number 43%
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I also point out the close link between CO2 levels and temperatures in
>>>>> past climate shifts:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> look closer, gumba,
>>>> it shows we are going into another ice age;
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A point I fail to address.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so....then he had better practice the level of perfection he claims
>>>>>> is necessary.
>>>>>
>>>> <snip crap>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#686087

From"Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net>
Date2018-05-17 21:23 -0400
Message-ID<pdlas8$7if$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#686054

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
news:fm6meqFu7gaU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 18/05/2018 9:45 AM, Sergio wrote:
>> On 5/17/2018 5:50 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 18/05/2018 8:28 AM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 5/17/2018 6:03 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:50 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:nMZKC.57142$VB3.626@fx11.iad...
>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 9:58 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in 
>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release
>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's
>>>>>>>>>>>> climate......  N O T
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses
>>>>>>>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended 
>>>>>>>>>>>> period
>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> period
>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive
>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man 
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes
>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to
>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and
>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural 
>>>>>>>>>>> processes!
>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his 
>>>>>>>>>> calculations
>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant
>>>>>>>>> percentage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note Trevor's "science" consists only of schoolyard name-calling.
>>>>>>>> Needless to say he has no idea that such actions are considered 
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> bad form in science and reason enough to ignore everything you say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More to the point I don't claim to be an expert on the subject as
>>>>>>> Trevor claims he is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Bullshit. Not ONCE, have I ever claimed to be an expert on the
>>>>>> subject
>>>>>> of AGW theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> agree, you are no expert, you only have surface knowledge
>>>>
>>>> He is not an expert on climate science, but does seem to be an expert
>>>> on anthropogenic global warming propaganda history and current dogma.
>>>
>>> **That would be science, not "dogma". And again: I don't claim to be any
>>> kind of expert. I know a whole lot more than you and Sergio though.
>>
>> you make stuff up.
>>
>>   you know very little about he subject so you are unable to discuss
>>
>> provide URL to your numbers, or we will continue to call you a liar.
>
> **Already done. Pay closer attention in future.


We acknowledge your inability to support your claims and thus your admission 
you are a liar.
 

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