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| Started by | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| First post | 2018-05-12 21:23 -0400 |
| Last post | 2018-05-15 18:09 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 176 — 11 participants |
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Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 21:23 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 21:59 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-13 06:56 +0200
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 15:18 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 00:53 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 04:20 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 14:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:05 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:09 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 08:57 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 07:56 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 23:10 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 08:49 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 13:31 -0700
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-16 14:06 -0700
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 07:17 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:57 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 09:12 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:17 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 11:45 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-14 22:46 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 13:50 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 00:50 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:47 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:08 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:27 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:47 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 09:58 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:26 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 21:58 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 13:21 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:50 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:03 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:03 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:50 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 18:45 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:52 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:23 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:39 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-21 19:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 13:41 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 00:02 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 14:36 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:04 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:31 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii de chucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:43 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 19:18 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 06:46 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:59 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:23 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:08 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:33 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:02 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:17 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:49 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:27 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:41 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-21 19:30 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 13:44 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 00:07 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-22 14:39 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:09 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:13 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:51 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:11 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:52 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:25 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 18:05 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:47 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:29 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 22:45 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:13 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 17:26 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 08:10 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:20 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:23 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:03 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:22 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-21 07:43 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:11 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 20:55 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 14:27 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:26 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:16 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:04 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:19 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:53 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 03:04 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 07:28 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 17:10 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 08:35 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:20 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:05 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 21:21 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:56 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 22:28 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:19 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:22 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:15 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 01:40 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:51 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:37 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 10:55 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:59 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:29 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:15 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 17:31 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 08:54 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:21 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:21 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:30 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 01:39 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:54 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:03 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 09:04 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:30 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-15 19:18 -0600
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 22:01 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:34 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:31 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:00 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:30 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 22:27 -0700
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 00:55 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-13 12:22 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:08 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 02:02 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 16:45 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 09:06 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 08:01 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 20:16 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:36 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-14 21:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 15:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 08:40 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:05 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 20:31 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-15 22:07 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-16 04:06 -0600
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:48 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 00:57 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 16:06 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:33 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 20:26 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:18 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-16 08:00 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:39 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 00:54 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 15:43 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 07:36 -0500
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-17 18:06 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:01 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:04 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:29 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:30 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:32 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:39 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 09:42 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-17 19:53 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-18 11:09 +1000
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 19:55 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-17 02:10 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 10:24 -0400
Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-05-15 18:09 -0400
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| Date | 2018-05-17 22:27 -0400 |
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"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! >>>>>>>>>>>> OK? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house >>>>>>>> gas >>>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. >>>>>>> 9% >>>>>>> is significant. >>>>>> >>>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>>> >>>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might >>>>>>> accept >>>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>>>>>> climate? >>>>>> >>>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the >>>>>>> planet >>>>>> >>>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like >>>>>> Nads >>>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>>> >>>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 acts >>>>> to warm this planet. >>>> >>>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of the >>>> total. >>> >>> **Except it's not insignificant: >>> >>> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >>> >>> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >>> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much warmer 59°F >>> (15°C)." >> >> >> So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus does NOT >> support your claim. > > **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, increased > the average temperature of this planet by a little more than 1 degree C. Wow, you keep saying this like you actually think it's true or something. To bad you can't seem to show it is. >> Gee, that seems like a pretty big mistake for you to make Trevor. > > **Only a complete moron would make that leap. But you went ahead and made the leap. So what can I say, you're a moron.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-21 07:41 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fme8bnFjn2mU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686103 |
On 18/05/2018 12:27 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear >>>>>>>>>> to think >>>>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green >>>>>>>>> house gas >>>>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 >>>>>>>> emissions. 9% >>>>>>>> is significant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>>>> >>>>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might >>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this >>>>>>>> planet's >>>>>>>> climate? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on the >>>>>>>> planet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like >>>>>>> Nads >>>>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>>>> >>>>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 >>>>>> acts to warm this planet. >>>>> >>>>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of >>>>> the total. >>>> >>>> **Except it's not insignificant: >>>> >>>> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >>>> >>>> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >>>> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much warmer >>>> 59°F (15°C)." >>> >>> >>> So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus does >>> NOT support your claim. >> >> **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, >> increased the average temperature of this planet by a little more than >> 1 degree C. > > > Wow, you keep saying this like you actually think it's true or something. > > To bad you can't seem to show it is. **Here's a link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere > >>> Gee, that seems like a pretty big mistake for you to make Trevor. >> >> **Only a complete moron would make that leap. > > But you went ahead and made the leap. > > So what can I say, you're a moron. **You can keep saying it, but, until you supply some peer-reviewed science to prove AGW theory invalid, you are the one who looks stupid. However, I fully expect that you will keep digging that hole. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-21 19:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdvmff$oc5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686383 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fme8bnFjn2mU3@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 12:27 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net... >>> On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house >>>>>>>>>> gas >>>>>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 >>>>>>>>> emissions. 9% >>>>>>>>> is significant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might >>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this >>>>>>>>> planet's >>>>>>>>> climate? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> planet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like >>>>>>>> Nads >>>>>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 >>>>>>> acts to warm this planet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of >>>>>> the total. >>>>> >>>>> **Except it's not insignificant: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >>>>> >>>>> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >>>>> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much warmer >>>>> 59°F (15°C)." >>>> >>>> >>>> So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus does >>>> NOT support your claim. >>> >>> **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, increased >>> the average temperature of this planet by a little more than 1 degree C. >> >> >> Wow, you keep saying this like you actually think it's true or something. >> >> To bad you can't seem to show it is. > > **Here's a link for you: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere Which doesn't prove that what you claim is true.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 13:44 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fmhi0gFb3lhU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686570 |
On 22/05/2018 9:30 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fme8bnFjn2mU3@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 12:27 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>> message news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extended period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear >>>>>>>>>>>> to think >>>>>>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. >>>>>>>>>>>> That is a >>>>>>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green >>>>>>>>>>> house gas >>>>>>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 >>>>>>>>>> emissions. 9% >>>>>>>>>> is significant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow >>>>>>>>>>> enough to >>>>>>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might >>>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this >>>>>>>>>> planet's >>>>>>>>>> climate? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist >>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>> planet >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, >>>>>>>>> like Nads >>>>>>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 >>>>>>>> acts to warm this planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction >>>>>>> of the total. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Except it's not insignificant: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >>>>>> >>>>>> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >>>>>> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much >>>>>> warmer 59°F (15°C)." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus >>>>> does NOT support your claim. >>>> >>>> **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, >>>> increased the average temperature of this planet by a little more >>>> than 1 degree C. >>> >>> >>> Wow, you keep saying this like you actually think it's true or >>> something. >>> >>> To bad you can't seem to show it is. >> >> **Here's a link for you: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere > > Which doesn't prove that what you claim is true. > > **Sadly (for you), it does. "Global annual mean CO2 concentration has increased by more than 45% since the start of the Industrial Revolution from 280 ppm during the 10,000 years up to the mid-18th century,[2] to 407 ppm as of mid-2017,[3][4] the highest concentration in at least 800,000[5] and possibly 20 million years.[6] The increase has been caused by human activities, particularly the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.[7] This increase of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere, of which water vapor is by far the most abundant, has produced the current episode of global warming. About 30–40% of the CO2 released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers and lakes,[8][9] which has produced ocean acidification." -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 00:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pe05hp$bgo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686596 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fmhi0gFb3lhU2@mid.individual.net... > On 22/05/2018 9:30 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fme8bnFjn2mU3@mid.individual.net... >>> On 18/05/2018 12:27 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear >>>>>>>>>>>>> to think >>>>>>>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green >>>>>>>>>>>> house gas >>>>>>>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 >>>>>>>>>>> emissions. 9% >>>>>>>>>>> is significant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might >>>>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this >>>>>>>>>>> planet's >>>>>>>>>>> climate? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> planet >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, like >>>>>>>>>> Nads >>>>>>>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 >>>>>>>>> acts to warm this planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction of >>>>>>>> the total. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Except it's not insignificant: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >>>>>>> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much warmer >>>>>>> 59°F (15°C)." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus does >>>>>> NOT support your claim. >>>>> >>>>> **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, >>>>> increased the average temperature of this planet by a little more than >>>>> 1 degree C. >>>> >>>> >>>> Wow, you keep saying this like you actually think it's true or >>>> something. >>>> >>>> To bad you can't seem to show it is. >>> >>> **Here's a link for you: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere >> >> Which doesn't prove that what you claim is true. >> >> > > **Sadly (for you), it does. > > "Global annual mean CO2 concentration has increased by more than 45% since > the start of the Industrial Revolution from 280 ppm during the 10,000 > years up to the mid-18th century,[2] to 407 ppm as of mid-2017,[3][4] the > highest concentration in at least 800,000[5] and possibly 20 million > years.[6] The increase has been caused by human activities, particularly > the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.[7] This increase of CO2 and > other greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere, of which water vapor is by > far the most abundant, has produced the current episode of global warming. > About 30–40% of the CO2 released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves > into oceans, rivers and lakes,[8][9] which has produced ocean > acidification." Sorry, but while I see the assertions, and links to the source of the assertion, what I can't seem to find is the actual evidence that shows that of the 45% claimed man is responsible for 43% It would mean that natural processes account for only 2% even though no evidence exists on the rate that the natural emissions are changing due to global warming. Despite the fact that we know for a fact, that such emissions do change due to temperature. So again, I see assertions, claims and theories, but what I lack is the actual science showing proof these are all true.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 14:39 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fmhl8kFbpr6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686601 |
On 22/05/2018 2:07 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fmhi0gFb3lhU2@mid.individual.net... >> On 22/05/2018 9:30 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fme8bnFjn2mU3@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 18/05/2018 12:27 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>> message news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cycles of global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extended period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insignificant percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear to think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green >>>>>>>>>>>>> house gas >>>>>>>>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 >>>>>>>>>>>> emissions. 9% >>>>>>>>>>>> is significant. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow >>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to >>>>>>>>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we >>>>>>>>>>>> might accept >>>>>>>>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this >>>>>>>>>>>> planet's >>>>>>>>>>>> climate? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist >>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>> planet >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, >>>>>>>>>>> like Nads >>>>>>>>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that >>>>>>>>>> CO2 acts to warm this planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant >>>>>>>>> fraction of the total. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Except it's not insignificant: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >>>>>>>> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much >>>>>>>> warmer 59°F (15°C)." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus >>>>>>> does NOT support your claim. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, >>>>>> increased the average temperature of this planet by a little more >>>>>> than 1 degree C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow, you keep saying this like you actually think it's true or >>>>> something. >>>>> >>>>> To bad you can't seem to show it is. >>>> >>>> **Here's a link for you: >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere >>> >>> Which doesn't prove that what you claim is true. >>> >>> >> >> **Sadly (for you), it does. >> >> "Global annual mean CO2 concentration has increased by more than 45% >> since the start of the Industrial Revolution from 280 ppm during the >> 10,000 years up to the mid-18th century,[2] to 407 ppm as of >> mid-2017,[3][4] the highest concentration in at least 800,000[5] and >> possibly 20 million years.[6] The increase has been caused by human >> activities, particularly the burning of fossil fuels and >> deforestation.[7] This increase of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in >> Earth's atmosphere, of which water vapor is by far the most abundant, >> has produced the current episode of global warming. About 30–40% of >> the CO2 released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, >> rivers and lakes,[8][9] which has produced ocean acidification." > > Sorry, but while I see the assertions, and links to the source of the > assertion, what I can't seem to find is the actual evidence that shows > that of the 45% claimed man is responsible for 43% It would mean that > natural processes account for only 2% even though no evidence exists on > the rate that the natural emissions are changing due to global warming. > Despite the fact that we know for a fact, that such emissions do change > due to temperature. **For 10,000 odd years, atmospheric CO2 have remained relatively constant. After humans began burning fossil fuels, the atmospheric concentration of CO2 rose by around 43%. No natural mechanisms have been found to explain this. > > So again, I see assertions, claims and theories, but what I lack is the > actual science showing proof these are all true. **I already posted the relevant sections from the IPCC reports. Read them. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-22 02:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pe0e3i$ks4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686606 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fmhl8kFbpr6U1@mid.individual.net... > On 22/05/2018 2:07 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fmhi0gFb3lhU2@mid.individual.net... >>> On 22/05/2018 9:30 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fme8bnFjn2mU3@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 18/05/2018 12:27 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm6pq9Fa42U2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:fm6n25Fube6U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 10:13 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:fm6eapFsmelU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 18/05/2018 8:08 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of global >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extended period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an period >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extensive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before man was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processes! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lap-dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green >>>>>>>>>>>>>> house gas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> emissions. 9% >>>>>>>>>>>>> is significant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ** www.ipcc.ch >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might >>>>>>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>>>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet's >>>>>>>>>>>>> climate? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In your answer, you should be aware that every climatologist >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lie, you have been repeating lies over and over without URL, >>>>>>>>>>>> like Nads >>>>>>>>>>>> and Kensi pupa, you smell like sock >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Then cite all the climatologists who dispute the fact that CO2 >>>>>>>>>>> acts to warm this planet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great so it might warm the planet by some insignificant fraction >>>>>>>>>> of the total. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Except it's not insignificant: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/ma_01/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> " Without naturally occurring greenhouse gases, Earth's average >>>>>>>>> temperature would be near 0°F (or -18°C) instead of the much >>>>>>>>> warmer 59°F (15°C)." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So this addresses naturally occurring green house gases and thus >>>>>>>> does NOT support your claim. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Wrong. We have, via the extra 43% of CO2 in the atmosphere, >>>>>>> increased the average temperature of this planet by a little more >>>>>>> than 1 degree C. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow, you keep saying this like you actually think it's true or >>>>>> something. >>>>>> >>>>>> To bad you can't seem to show it is. >>>>> >>>>> **Here's a link for you: >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere >>>> >>>> Which doesn't prove that what you claim is true. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> **Sadly (for you), it does. >>> >>> "Global annual mean CO2 concentration has increased by more than 45% >>> since the start of the Industrial Revolution from 280 ppm during the >>> 10,000 years up to the mid-18th century,[2] to 407 ppm as of >>> mid-2017,[3][4] the highest concentration in at least 800,000[5] and >>> possibly 20 million years.[6] The increase has been caused by human >>> activities, particularly the burning of fossil fuels and >>> deforestation.[7] This increase of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in >>> Earth's atmosphere, of which water vapor is by far the most abundant, >>> has produced the current episode of global warming. About 30–40% of the >>> CO2 released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers >>> and lakes,[8][9] which has produced ocean acidification." >> >> Sorry, but while I see the assertions, and links to the source of the >> assertion, what I can't seem to find is the actual evidence that shows >> that of the 45% claimed man is responsible for 43% It would mean that >> natural processes account for only 2% even though no evidence exists on >> the rate that the natural emissions are changing due to global warming. >> Despite the fact that we know for a fact, that such emissions do change >> due to temperature. > > **For 10,000 odd years, atmospheric CO2 have remained relatively constant. > After humans began burning fossil fuels, the atmospheric concentration of > CO2 rose by around 43%. No natural mechanisms have been found to explain > this. So you're telling me the findings of CO2 changes over the last several hundred million years can't be explained because there is no natural mechanism that results in an increase in atmospheric CO2? Well I know one. It's called global warming and scientists have found evidence that when global temperatures go up, CO2 soon starts to go up as well.....all through a natural process. So, unless you're willing to totally discount all those scientific findings....then you can't say that natural can't increase the CO2 content, because it's happened before....repeatedly. > > >> >> So again, I see assertions, claims and theories, but what I lack is the >> actual science showing proof these are all true. > > **I already posted the relevant sections from the IPCC reports. Read them. Sure...and assertions, claims, and theories. What's lacking is PROOF.
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 20:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdl6f9$j4d$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685996 |
"Sergio" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message news:pdkugh$1gbj$1@gioia.aioe.org... > On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>> >>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >> >> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >> is significant. > > got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT > >> >>> >>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >> >> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >> >> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >> climate? > > answer your question yourself, fat monkey. Yea, particularly the part where he can assert with total confidence that such an amount of CO2 can drive climate change. He did say he's not an expert.....so how can he make such an assertion that such an amount will do so? Oh, that's right, he feels he can make any claims he likes, but everyone else has to back up their claims.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6mjsFu7gaU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686047 |
On 18/05/2018 10:09 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Sergio" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:pdkugh$1gbj$1@gioia.aioe.org... >> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>> percentage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>> >>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>> >>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>> is significant. >> >> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >> >>> >>>> >>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>> >>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>> >>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>> climate? >> >> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. > > Yea, particularly the part where he can assert with total confidence > that such an amount of CO2 can drive climate change. **_I_ don't assert that. Every climatologist on the planet does. What special knowledge do you possess, that you can dispute what the climatologists tell us? > > He did say he's not an expert.....so how can he make such an assertion > that such an amount will do so? **The science tells us that it does. I suggest you study the science. > > Oh, that's right, he feels he can make any claims he likes, but everyone > else has to back up their claims. **Wrong. I provided all the cites you requested. You provide none. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 21:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdlas6$7if$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686059 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm6mjsFu7gaU2@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 10:09 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Sergio" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message >> news:pdkugh$1gbj$1@gioia.aioe.org... >>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>> >>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>> >>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>>> is significant. >>> >>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>> >>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>> >>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>>> climate? >>> >>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >> >> Yea, particularly the part where he can assert with total confidence that >> such an amount of CO2 can drive climate change. > > **_I_ don't assert that. Then good, we don't need to do anything about man made CO2 because you never told us it was driving the climate change.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 11:51 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6ptgFa42U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686083 |
On 18/05/2018 11:13 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm6mjsFu7gaU2@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 10:09 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Sergio" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message >>> news:pdkugh$1gbj$1@gioia.aioe.org... >>>> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you >>>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>> global >>>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>> calculations >>>>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>> >>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>> >>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>>>> is significant. >>>> >>>> got URL ? or it is BULLSHIT >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>> >>>>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>>>> >>>>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>>>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>>>> climate? >>>> >>>> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. >>> >>> Yea, particularly the part where he can assert with total confidence >>> that such an amount of CO2 can drive climate change. >> >> **_I_ don't assert that. > > Then good, we don't need to do anything about man made CO2 because you > never told us it was driving the climate change. **You scurrilous sack of shit. Quote me accurately, or not at all: **_I_ don't assert that. Every climatologist on the planet does. What special knowledge do you possess, that you can dispute what the climatologists tell us? > > He did say he's not an expert.....so how can he make such an assertion that such an amount will do so? **The science tells us that it does. I suggest you study the science. > > Oh, that's right, he feels he can make any claims he likes, but everyone else has to back up their claims. **Wrong. I provided all the cites you requested. You provide none. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 20:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdl6f8$j4d$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685980 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm6a70FrrcmU1@mid.individual.net... > On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a >>>>>>>>>> little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, >>>>>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger >>>>>>>>>> fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to >>>>>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one >>>>>>>>> percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of >>>>>>> extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global >>>>>>> warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was even an >>>>>>> actor on the stage and operate via natural processes neither caused >>>>>>> by man nor involving man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there >>>>>>>> is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations is >>>>> not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>> >>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the atmospheric >>> gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a really, REALLY >>> dumb mistake. >> >> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. > > **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% is > significant. > >> >> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to drive >> the climate for the entire planet. > > **Well, yes, it is. Sorry, I thought you said you weren't an expert. So what exactly is your expertise to make such an assertion?
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 10:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6mlbFu7gaU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686045 |
On 18/05/2018 10:06 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm6a70FrrcmU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, security >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>> to say? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>> global warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>> period of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>> period between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>> extensive global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>> before man was even an actor on the stage and operate via >>>>>>>> natural processes neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>> calculations is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, >>>>>> yappy lap-dog. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant percentage. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>> think that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>> >>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >> >> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >> is significant. >> >>> >>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >> >> **Well, yes, it is. > > Sorry, I thought you said you weren't an expert. > > So what exactly is your expertise to make such an assertion? **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 21:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdlas5$7if$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686061 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm6mlbFu7gaU3@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 10:06 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm6a70FrrcmU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>>>>>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a >>>>>>>>>>>> little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, >>>>>>>>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger >>>>>>>>>>>> fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to >>>>>>>>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of >>>>>>>>>>> one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as >>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global >>>>>>>>> warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was even an >>>>>>>>> actor on the stage and operate via natural processes neither >>>>>>>>> caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there >>>>>>>>>> is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>> percentage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the atmospheric >>>>> gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a really, REALLY >>>>> dumb mistake. >>>> >>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>> >>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>> is significant. >>> >>>> >>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>> >>> **Well, yes, it is. >> >> Sorry, I thought you said you weren't an expert. >> >> So what exactly is your expertise to make such an assertion? > > **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? Please cite that they are the "premier scientific documents" and that you actually understood what they said, and that they actually said what you assert. Until then....you're just saying a bunch of unsupported bullshit and asserting an expertise that you deny having.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-18 11:52 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm6purFa42U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #686081 |
On 18/05/2018 11:11 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm6mlbFu7gaU3@mid.individual.net... >> On 18/05/2018 10:06 AM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:fm6a70FrrcmU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>> message news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron. I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peoples on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will >>>>>>>>>>>>> occur at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We >>>>>>>>>>>>> presently at a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of >>>>>>>>>>>>> climatologists believe we have already passed the tipping >>>>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can >>>>>>>>>>>> do to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a >>>>>>>>>>>> fraction of one percent of that released from natural >>>>>>>>>>>> processes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by >>>>>>>>>>> natural processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X >>>>>>>>>>> 10^9 Tonnes. That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release >>>>>>>>>> of CO2. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>>>> to say? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make >>>>>>>>>> guesses as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>> global warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an >>>>>>>>>> extended period of extensive global cooling. An interglacial >>>>>>>>>> period is an period between Ice Ages denoted by an extended >>>>>>>>>> period of extensive global warming. These have occurred >>>>>>>>>> multiple times before man was even an actor on the stage and >>>>>>>>>> operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor >>>>>>>>>> involving man. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal >>>>>>>>>> and natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>> calculations is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, >>>>>>>> yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>>>> think that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>> >>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house >>>>> gas emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>> >>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. >>>> 9% is significant. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>> >>>> **Well, yes, it is. >>> >>> Sorry, I thought you said you weren't an expert. >>> >>> So what exactly is your expertise to make such an assertion? >> >> **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? > > Please cite that they are the "premier scientific documents" and that > you actually understood what they said, and that they actually said what > you assert. **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? > > Until then....you're just saying a bunch of unsupported bullshit and > asserting an expertise that you deny having. **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-17 22:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdlela$ol1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #686092 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm6purFa42U4@mid.individual.net... > On 18/05/2018 11:11 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:fm6mlbFu7gaU3@mid.individual.net... >>> On 18/05/2018 10:06 AM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:fm6a70FrrcmU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>>>> climate...... N O T >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have >>>>>>>>>>>> to say? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically >>>>>>>>>>>> lacking. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of >>>>>>>>>>> global warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended >>>>>>>>>>> period of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an >>>>>>>>>>> period between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of >>>>>>>>>>> extensive global warming. These have occurred multiple times >>>>>>>>>>> before man was even an actor on the stage and operate via >>>>>>>>>>> natural processes neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his >>>>>>>>> calculations is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, >>>>>>>>> yappy lap-dog. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>>>> percentage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to >>>>>>> think that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>>>> >>>>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>>>> >>>>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>>>> is significant. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>>>> >>>>> **Well, yes, it is. >>>> >>>> Sorry, I thought you said you weren't an expert. >>>> >>>> So what exactly is your expertise to make such an assertion? >>> >>> **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? >> >> Please cite that they are the "premier scientific documents" and that you >> actually understood what they said, and that they actually said what you >> assert. > > > **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? Well, shit, asserting to have read the papers that was asserted were read and that they were actually what what they were claimed to be, would were certainly seem like proof......if you're a fucking moron. But then Trevor is a fucking moron. >> Until then....you're just saying a bunch of unsupported bullshit and >> asserting an expertise that you deny having. > > **I've read the premier scientific documents about the theory. Have you? I acknowledge your claims are bullshit. So much for your claims on climate change having ANY merit.
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-15 18:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdfs6e$on8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685569 |
"benj" <benj@nobody.net> wrote in message news:HIBKC.116700$R51.105722@fx03.iad... > On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for >>>>>>>>>>> NSA, >>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," >>>>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the >>>>>>>>>>>> track. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are >>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is >>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio >>>>>>>>>>> is stupid. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption..... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I >>>>>>>>> merely >>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the >>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it >>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>> >>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>> >>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little >>>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have >>>>> already passed the tipping point. >>>> >>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>> >>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >> >> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >> >>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence >>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>> >>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, there >>>>> won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" are you >>>>> referring to? >>>> >>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop >>>> it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent of >>>> that released from natural processes. >>> >>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. That's >>> around 9%. >> >> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >> >> What's 9% of 0.039%? >> >> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >> >> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's climate...... >> N O T >> >> >>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say? >> >> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >> >> >>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >> >> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >> >>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >> >> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as well. >> >> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global warming >> and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of extensive >> global cooling. An interglacial period is an period between Ice Ages >> denoted by an extended period of extensive global warming. These have >> occurred multiple times before man was even an actor on the stage and >> operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor involving man. >> >> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and natural >> process of the global climate of the planet. >> >> How's that for a THEORY for you? >> >> >> >>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is no >>> problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >> >> I would ask you the same question. > > Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! > So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? Since he will anyway since he can't refute my theory it doesn't really matter.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2018-05-16 08:47 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <fm16d0Fnk5tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #685547 |
On 15/05/2018 4:47 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food >>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked >>>>>>>>>> for NSA, >>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I >>>>>>>>>> doubt that >>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," >>>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the >>>>>>>>>>> track. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are >>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is >>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio >>>>>>>>>> is stupid. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption..... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I merely >>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, security >>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>> >>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the >>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it >>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>> >>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>> >>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>> >>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little >>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have >>>> already passed the tipping point. >>> >>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >> >> **Cite where you saw such a thing. > > Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. **I accept that you never saw it. You just made it up. > >>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence >>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>> >>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, >>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" >>>> are you referring to? >>> >>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop >>> it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent >>> of that released from natural processes. >> >> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. That's >> around 9%. > > CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere **Try 410ppm. Do try to get into the 21st century with your data. > > What's 9% of 0.039%? **Irrelevant. You fail to understand what was written. Humans are, AT PRESENT, contributing around 9% of all CO2 emissions. In the past, it was much less. In the future, it may be much more. However, keep digging your hole. > > So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. **Nope. Not even close. Your ability to understand scientific concepts is rather poor. I suggest you read, rather than type. You have a great deal to learn. The effects of CO2 are, for all intents, cumulative. Since the mid 19th century, humans have increased the total atmospheric CO2 by around 43%. > > Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's > climate...... N O T **Again: If I want to learn how to load a firearm, I'll ask you. If you want to learn about science, go read a book, or listen to the talented people who inhabit the sci.physics group (not benj, or Sergio, obviously). > > >> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to say? > > You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? **LOL! I don't profess to know everything about science, maths, or even global warming, but my knowledge on these matters eclipses yours by several orders of magnitude. I've already exposed several of your fundamental errors. Wanna try for more, or would you prefer to learn something? > > >> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. > > Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. **No. Your figures are just nonsensical. Trumpian in nature, in fact. > >> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. > > Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses as well. **You've already put your guesses down. I showed them to be nonsensical. > > How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global > warming and cooling. **"Regular cycles"? Not even close. Unless, of course, you call an error magnitude of tens of millions of years, a cycle. Either way, one thing has nothing to do with the other. We do not know what caused previous warming periods. We KNOW what is causing the present warming. It is way beyond argument. Unless you happen to be a complete idiot. Thing is this: A careful examination of the proxy data surrounding previous warming events has shown us several things: * Rising CO2 levels have, in some cases, preceded warming periods. * Rising temperatures have, in some cases, preceded CO2 level rise. * The present CO2 level rise is more rapid and higher that at any time in at least the past million years. * The present temperature rise is more rapid and higher than at any time in at least the past million years. * Examination of past warming and cooling events show us that CO2 rise and temperature rise are VERY closely linked. When one goes up, the other ALWAYS accompanies. ALWAYS. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period of > extensive global cooling. **Yep. No argument from me there. Unfortunately, we are witnessing a warming event. Warming events are NOT associated with an ice age. An interglacial period is an period between > Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive global warming. > These have occurred multiple times before man was even an actor on the > stage and operate via natural processes neither caused by man nor > involving man. > > My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to > see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and natural > process of the global climate of the planet. > > How's that for a THEORY for you? **Again: Entering an ice age takes tens of thousands of years of cool temperatures. We are experiencing RISING temperatures. Don't you believe that we should address the real and present problems, rather than problems that may, or may not occur in 50,000 years? > > > >> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain there is >> no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? > > I would ask you the same question. **That's the problem. I am NOT ignorant of the facts and you, most certainly are. Worse, your maths are just stupid and wrong. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-15 20:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pdfv8k$9q9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #685663 |
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message news:fm16d0Fnk5tU1@mid.individual.net... > On 15/05/2018 4:47 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very clever. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked for >>>>>>>>>>> NSA, >>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I doubt >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," >>>>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the >>>>>>>>>>>> track. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are >>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio is >>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because Sergio >>>>>>>>>>> is stupid. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption..... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I >>>>>>>>> merely >>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the >>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it >>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>> >>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>> >>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a little >>>>> over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists believe we have >>>>> already passed the tipping point. >>>> >>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>> >>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >> >> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. > > **I accept that you never saw it. You just made it up. > >> >>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without consequence >>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>> >>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, there >>>>> won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger fish" are you >>>>> referring to? >>>> >>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to stop >>>> it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one percent of >>>> that released from natural processes. >>> >>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. That's >>> around 9%. >> >> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere > > **Try 410ppm. Do try to get into the 21st century with your data. Then you should also be aware that CO2 concentrations are seasonal and this is the current overall yearly average. >> What's 9% of 0.039%? > > **Irrelevant. So facts are irrelevant to your claims? Nice for you to admit that. > You fail to understand what was written. Humans are, AT PRESENT, > contributing around 9% of all CO2 emissions. Yep, which constitutes a vanishingly small percentage of the total green house gas emissions. >> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. > > **Nope. Not even close. Then feel free to give me your scientifically supported analysis. After all, 9% of a very small number is still a very small number. But hell, let's say I was off by an entire order of magnitude. Does 0.0351% sound better? How about 2 orders of magnitude? 0.351%....still only a fraction of 1%. Your ability to understand scientific concepts > is rather poor. I suggest you read, rather than type. You have a great > deal to learn. > > The effects of CO2 are, for all intents, cumulative. Since the mid 19th > century, humans have increased the total atmospheric CO2 by around 43%. Oh, so CO2 once in the atmosphere remains forever? Exactly what scientific paper out of your ass did you pull that?
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-15 22:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dXMKC.153200$br4.30408@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #685696 |
On 5/15/2018 8:29 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:fm16d0Fnk5tU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 15/05/2018 4:47 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change trolls as Russia has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls worked >>>>>>>>>>>> for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. I >>>>>>>>>>>> doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change trolls," >>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off the >>>>>>>>>>>>> track. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls are >>>>>>>>>>>> employed >>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that Sergio >>>>>>>>>>>> is employed >>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. I >>>>>>>>>> merely >>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples on the >>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the future, it >>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>> >>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>> >>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur at >>>>>> approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at a >>>>>> little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>> >>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>> >>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>> >>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >> >> **I accept that you never saw it. You just made it up. >> >>> >>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are correct, >>>>>> there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. What "bigger >>>>>> fish" are you referring to? >>>>> >>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do to >>>>> stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction of one >>>>> percent of that released from natural processes. >>>> >>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>> That's around 9%. >>> >>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >> >> **Try 410ppm. Do try to get into the 21st century with your data. > > Then you should also be aware that CO2 concentrations are seasonal and > this is the current overall yearly average. > >>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >> >> **Irrelevant. > > So facts are irrelevant to your claims? > > Nice for you to admit that. > >> You fail to understand what was written. Humans are, AT PRESENT, >> contributing around 9% of all CO2 emissions. > > Yep, which constitutes a vanishingly small percentage of the total green > house gas emissions. > > >>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of CO2. >> >> **Nope. Not even close. > > Then feel free to give me your scientifically supported analysis. > > After all, 9% of a very small number is still a very small number. > > But hell, let's say I was off by an entire order of magnitude. > > Does 0.0351% sound better? > > How about 2 orders of magnitude? > > 0.351%....still only a fraction of 1%. > > > > Your ability to understand scientific concepts >> is rather poor. I suggest you read, rather than type. You have a great >> deal to learn. >> >> The effects of CO2 are, for all intents, cumulative. Since the mid >> 19th century, humans have increased the total atmospheric CO2 by >> around 43%. > > Oh, so CO2 once in the atmosphere remains forever? > > Exactly what scientific paper out of your ass did you pull that? Actually no paper. In fact the NASA website, USED to have a great article on the CO2 cycles of the earth and noted that Earth was the ONLY planet in this system where there was such a cycle regulating CO2. But, the piece has since been removed so as to not confuse those gullibles with actual science rather than "climate change" propaganda. Trevor is so funny. He calls everyone else ignorant and then just lapses into a fantasy world where he can't even divide two numbers. Bet he believes in "triangular CO2" as the cause of "climate change"!
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