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Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?

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First post2015-09-06 17:43 -0500
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  Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 17:43 -0500
    Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-06 23:03 +0000
      Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 18:28 -0500
        Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-07 00:35 +0000
          Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 19:54 -0500
            Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-07 01:33 +0000
              Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 21:06 -0500
                Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-07 03:24 +0000
                  Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 12:06 -0500
                    Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-07 17:29 +0000
                Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-09-07 13:13 -0500
        Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 03:30 -0400
    Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-09-06 19:57 -0500
    Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-09-07 03:18 -0400
    Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-08 12:25 -0700
      Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 14:35 -0500
        Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-08 13:30 -0700
          Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 15:40 -0500
            Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 14:14 -0700
          Re: Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change? HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 05:41 -0400

#519412 — Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-06 17:43 -0500
SubjectAre we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
Message-ID<BpidnWIcQIgbXHHInZ2dnUU7-ccAAAAA@giganews.com>
Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html


> For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
> "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
> from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
> scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
> temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
>
> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp




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#519425

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-09-06 23:03 +0000
Message-ID<satubc-3s4.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#519412
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?

As there has been no tipping point to date, no, you spamming piece of shit.

<snip arm waving speculation>


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#519429

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-06 18:28 -0500
Message-ID<BpidnZkfQIioUXHInZ2dnUU7-ccAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#519425
On 9/6/15 6:03 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
> As there has been no tipping point to date, no, you spamming piece of shit.
>

   What arguments are being put forth in the article, jimp. Oh that's
   right, you wouldn't know until you read it. You know, jimp, and
   anger management councilor might help you with your nastiness on
   USENET.

   Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
 > http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html

 > For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
 > "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
 > from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
 > scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
 > temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
 >
 > Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp


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#519442

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-09-07 00:35 +0000
Message-ID<eo2vbc-6f5.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#519429
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/6/15 6:03 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>> As there has been no tipping point to date, no, you spamming piece of shit.
>>
> 
>   What arguments are being put forth in the article, jimp. Oh that's
>   right, you wouldn't know until you read it.

If the title is utter nonsense, the contents of the article are likely
also utter nonsense, you spamming piece of shit.

How's that no warming for 18 years going for you, you off topic, spamming
piece of shit, dooms day ass hole?

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#519447

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-06 19:54 -0500
Message-ID<BpidnZcfQIjUfXHInZ2dnUU7-ccAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#519442
On 9/6/15 7:35 PM, otta control name-calling jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
wrote:
> How's that no warming for 18 years going for you, you off topic, spamming
> piece of shit, dooms day ass hole?


   Perhaps this will warm your heart, jimp:
http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Climate/BER2014-1.png


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#519458

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-09-07 01:33 +0000
Message-ID<r46vbc-1r5.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#519447
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/6/15 7:35 PM, otta control name-calling jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> wrote:
>> How's that no warming for 18 years going for you, you off topic, spamming
>> piece of shit, dooms day ass hole?
> 
> 
>   Perhaps this will warm your heart, jimp:

You mean your fantasy cartoon, shit head?


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#519463

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-06 21:06 -0500
Message-ID<ef-dnbmwwZC0bHHInZ2dnUU7-c2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#519458
On 9/6/15 8:33 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>    Perhaps this will warm your heart, jimp:
>>    http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Climate/BER2014-1.png
>
> You mean your fantasy cartoon, shit head?
>

   This is from a document you, jimp, recommended to me:
   Berkeley Earth Report 2014
> http://static.berkeleyearth.org/memos/Global-Warming-2014-Berkeley-Earth-Newsletter.pdf

   Berkeley Earth has constructed an estimate of the global
   average temperature during 2014, including land and sea.

   The "margin of uncertainty" represents the 95% confidence
   limit, obtained principally by comparison of results from
   subdividing the data into independent sets. The global
   temperature estimate is compiled as combination of a
   land-only temperature estimate constructed by Berkeley Earth
   directly, and an ocean temperature estimate produced by the
   Hadley Centre in the UK and modified by Berkeley Earth.

   I am mighty behold'n to ya, jimp.

   Oh, and jimp, don't forget those anger management classes.
   Rancho Cucamonga Anger Management Classes
> http://www.yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes



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#519476

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-09-07 03:24 +0000
Message-ID<1lcvbc-kf6.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#519463
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/6/15 8:33 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Perhaps this will warm your heart, jimp:
>>>    http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Climate/BER2014-1.png
>>
>> You mean your fantasy cartoon, shit head?
>>
> 
>   This is from a document you, jimp, recommended to me:

The only thing I have to recommend to you is to shove it up your ass,
you spamming piece of shit.



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#519566

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-07 12:06 -0500
Message-ID<zdCdnZ-yL9yeWXDInZ2dnUU7-XOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#519476
On 9/6/15 10:24 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> The only thing I have to recommend to you is to shove it up your ass,
> you spamming piece of shit.


   This is from a document you, jimp, recommended to me:
   Berkeley Earth Report 2014
> http://static.berkeleyearth.org/memos/Global-Warming-2014-Berkeley-Earth-Newsletter.pdf

   Berkeley Earth has constructed an estimate of the global
   average temperature during 2014, including land and sea.

   The "margin of uncertainty" represents the 95% confidence
   limit, obtained principally by comparison of results from
   subdividing the data into independent sets. The global
   temperature estimate is compiled as combination of a
   land-only temperature estimate constructed by Berkeley Earth
   directly, and an ocean temperature estimate produced by the
   Hadley Centre in the UK and modified by Berkeley Earth.

   I am mighty behold'n to ya, jimp.

   Oh, and jimp, don't forget those anger management classes.
   Rancho Cucamonga Anger Management Classes
> http://www.yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes



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#519586

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-09-07 17:29 +0000
Message-ID<85u0cc-3sb.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#519566
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/6/15 10:24 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> The only thing I have to recommend to you is to shove it up your ass,
>> you spamming piece of shit.
> 
> 
>   This is from a document you, jimp, recommended to me:

The only thing I have to recommend to you is a slow and painful death
soon, spamming piece of shit.

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#519606

Fromgilber34 <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2015-09-07 13:13 -0500
Message-ID<mskk3q$i2o$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#519463
On 9/6/2015 9:06 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 9/6/15 8:33 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>    Berkeley Earth has *constructed* an *estimate* of the global
>    average temperature during 2014, including land and sea.
>
>    The "margin of uncertainty" represents the 95% confidence
>    limit, obtained principally by comparison of results from
>    subdividing the data into independent sets. The global
>    temperature *estimate* is *compiled* as *combination* of a
>    land-only temperature *estimate* *constructed* by Berkeley Earth
>    directly, and an ocean temperature *estimate* *produced* by the
>    Hadley Centre in the UK and *modified* by Berkeley Earth.
>

Summerizing:  some "constructed estimate" is composed of "estimate 
compiled combination" estimate constructed "estimate produced and 
modified" by BE.

Question: any insight into how they manipulated the data to fit their 
criteria ?


Problem: a serious problem is that they had to subdivide the data into 
"independent sets" to get to a 95% confidence limit (of estimated data), 
instead of using one set.  Using one set would arrive at a 50% 
confidence limit.



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#519493

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-07 03:30 -0400
Message-ID<n2bHx.10874$s65.3272@fx01.iad>
In reply to#519429
On 09/06/2015 07:28 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 9/6/15 6:03 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>> As there has been no tipping point to date, no, you spamming piece of
>> shit.
>>
>
>    What arguments are being put forth in the article, jimp. Oh that's
>    right, you wouldn't know until you read it. You know, jimp, and
>    anger management councilor might help you with your nastiness on
>    USENET.
>
>    Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
>  > http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html
>
>  > For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
>  > "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
>  > from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
>  > scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
>  > temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
>  >
>  > Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp

OK Sammy, Here are ALL the models along with ACTUAL MEASURED TEMPERATURES.

So Just which one is the one by your hero that is "remarkably accurate"?

https://nofrakkingconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/hayden_ipcc_arrow.jpg

Just in case you don't trust the temperature data here is the "improved" 
GISS data taken by your "Godfather of GLobal Warming", Dr. Hansen

http://www.mrk-inc.com/users/bspam/AGWGISS2014.gif

Oh Lookee! 0.005 Degree per year! Are you shitting your pants yet?
(Which oddly is the same as the chart I just linked)


So tell us "professor" Wormley, why do you keep repeating these PROVEN 
lies debunked by YOUR OWN pet "SCIENTISTS"?  Why do you think the rules 
of honesty in science do not apply to you? Why are you still allowed 
anywhere NEAR an educational institution?


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#519448

Fromgilber34 <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2015-09-06 19:57 -0500
Message-ID<msind7$6gg$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#519412
On 9/6/2015 5:43 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
>> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html
>
>
>> For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
>> "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
>> from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
>> scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
>> temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.

lame article is trying to get the Pope to guilt you. and there is no 
supporting justification for wild claims in the article, such as 
"remarkably accurate"

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#519492

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2015-09-07 03:18 -0400
Message-ID<dgequa1d63fsubsr00nte2alc3cv51hd9l@4ax.com>
In reply to#519412
On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 17:43:18 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:

>Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?

Yes. Greenies are going to lose big in Paris this December.

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#519796

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2015-09-08 12:25 -0700
Message-ID<d471f8c0-5023-4548-b1b6-41f20b69e0cf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#519412
On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 3:43:21 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
> > http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html
> 
> 
> > For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
> > "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
> > from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
> > scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
> > temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
> >
> > Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp


We may soon be glad for every molecule of warming CO2 we have emitted once the coming ice age grips us!

Double-A


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#519800

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-08 14:35 -0500
Message-ID<Lq2dndafYIn3pXLInZ2dnUU7-cWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#519796
On 9/8/15 2:25 PM, Double-A wrote:
> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 3:43:21 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html
>>
>>
>>> For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
>>> "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
>>> from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
>>> scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
>>> temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
>>>
>>> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp
>
>
> We may soon be glad for every molecule of warming CO2 we have emitted once the coming ice age grips us!
>
> Double-A
>
>
>

   Especially is the sun when out -- We might live an extra month or so.



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#519810

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2015-09-08 13:30 -0700
Message-ID<46fbad8c-6056-49e9-bfce-acb12069b226@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#519800
On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 9/8/15 2:25 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 3:43:21 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
> >>> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html
> >>
> >>
> >>> For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
> >>> "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
> >>> from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
> >>> scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
> >>> temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
> >>>
> >>> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp
> >
> >
> > We may soon be glad for every molecule of warming CO2 we have emitted once the coming ice age grips us!
> >
> > Double-A
> >
> >
> >
> 
>    Especially is the sun when out -- We might live an extra month or so.


If the Sun goes out, we should tunnel into the Earth as fast as possible.  There will be warmth there.

Double-A

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#519817

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-08 15:40 -0500
Message-ID<Lq2dnc2fYIk92nLInZ2dnUU7-cWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#519810
On 9/8/15 3:30 PM, Double-A wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 9/8/15 2:25 PM, Double-A wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 3:43:21 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>> Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
>>>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
>>>>> "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
>>>>> from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
>>>>> scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
>>>>> temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp
>>>
>>>
>>> We may soon be glad for every molecule of warming CO2 we have emitted once the coming ice age grips us!
>>>
>>> Double-A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>     Especially is the sun when out -- We might live an extra month or so.
>
>
> If the Sun goes out, we should tunnel into the Earth as fast as possible.  There will be warmth there.
>
> Double-A
>


   Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire,
   and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.  --Terry Pratchett

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#519828

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-08 14:14 -0700
Message-ID<1bc98f71-c045-4ba9-8edc-1f2eec79af4b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#519817
On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 4:40:04 PM UTC-4, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 9/8/15 3:30 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> On 9/8/15 2:25 PM, Double-A wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 3:43:21 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >>>> Are we at a new tipping point in the war on climate change?
> >>>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html

War? Are we? We've been tipping since tripping in the 1960s. Read history.

> >>>>> For four decades UC San Diego atmospheric scientist Veerabhadran
> >>>>> "Ram" Ramanathan has warned that carbon dioxide and other emissions
> >>>>> from human activity are heating up the planet. One of the first
> >>>>> scientists to predict global warming, his models of rising
> >>>>> temperatures have proved remarkably accurate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-09-war-climate.html#jCp
> >>>
> >>> We may soon be glad for every molecule of warming CO2 we have
> >>> emitted once the coming ice age grips us!
> >>> Double-A
> >>
> >>     Especially is the sun when out -- We might live an extra month or so.
> >
> > If the Sun goes out, we should tunnel into the Earth as fast as
> > possible.  There will be warmth there.
> > Double-A
> 
>    Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire,
>    and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.  --Terry Pratchett

Wait wait WAIT... how long does any man live when set on fire?
Enquiring minds want to know, before ...youKnow they burnout.
YMMV per SR corrections to your Time dialations. Run run RUN...

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FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-09-09 05:41 -0400
Message-ID<msouoo$sq4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#519810
On 9/8/2015 4:30 PM, Double-A wrote:
>
>>     Especially is the sun when out -- We might live an extra month or so.
>
>
> If the Sun goes out, we should tunnel into the Earth as fast as possible.  There will be warmth there.


Make sure we dig the hole big enough to bury us all.



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