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  Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe—except that they don't Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 07:24 -0500
    Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 05:36 -0700
      Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 07:53 -0500
        Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:23 -0700
          Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 15:50 -0500
            Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 15:13 -0700
              Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:30 -0500
    Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:42 -0700

#511143 — Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe—except that they don't

Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe—except that they don't
> http://news.sciencemag.org/europe/2015/08/tiny-black-holes-could-trigger-collapse-universe-except-they-dont

> As for the presentation of the argument in the new paper, Ellis says
> he has some misgivings that it will whip up unfounded fears about the
> safety of the LHC once again. For example, the preprint of the paper
> doesn’t mention that cosmic-ray data essentially prove that the LHC
> cannot trigger the collapse of the vacuum—"because we [physicists]
> all knew that," Moss says. The final version mentions it on the
> fourth of five pages. Still, Ellis, who served on a panel to examine
> the LHC's safety, says he doesn't think it's possible to stop
> theorists from presenting such arguments in tendentious ways. "I'm
> not going to lose sleep over it," Ellis says. "If someone asks me,
> I'm going to say it's so much theoretical noise." Which may not be
> the most reassuring answer, either.
>


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#511145 — Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't

Why would protons trigger collapse?

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#511150 — Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't

On 8/4/15 7:36 AM, john wrote:
> Why would protons [collisions] trigger collapse?
>

 > If you like classic two-for-one monster movies such as King Kong vs.
 > Godzilla, then a new paper combining two bêtes noires of
 > pseudoscientific scaremongers—mini black holes and the collapse of
 > the vacuum—may appeal to you. Physicists working with the world's
 > biggest atom-smasher—Europe's Large Hadron Collider (LHC)—have had to
 > reassure the public that, even if they can make them, mini black
 > holes, infinitesimal versions of the ones that form when jumbo stars
 > implode, won't consume the planet. They've also had to dispel fears
 > that blasting out a particle called the Higgs boson will cause the
 > vacuum of empty space to collapse. Now, however, three theorists
 > calculate that in a chain reaction, a mini black hole could trigger
 > such collapse after all.
 >
 > Come out from under the bed; there's a big caveat. If this could have
 > happened, it would have long before humans evolved. "The thing you
 > mustn't say is, ‘Shock, horror! We're going to destroy the
 > universe!’" says Ian Moss, a theoretical cosmologist at Newcastle
 > University in the United Kingdom and an author of the paper
 > explaining the result. Rather, he says, the message is that some
 > unknown physics must enter to stabilize the vacuum—encouraging news
 > for physicists searching for something new. Still, Moss acknowledges
 > that the paper could be taken the wrong way: "I'm sort of afraid that
 > I'm going to have [prominent theorist] John Ellis calling me up and
 > accusing me of scaremongering."
 >
 > Stability of the vacuum is a real issue. Ever since the discovery of
 > the long-predicted Higgs boson in 2012, physicists have known that
 > empty space contains a "Higgs field," a bit like an electric field,
 > that is made of Higgs bosons lurking "virtually" in the vacuum. Other
 > fundamental particles such as the electron and quarks interact with
 > the field to gain their mass. However, particle physicists have
 > calculated that, given their current standard model of the known
 > particles and the Higgs boson's measured mass, the Higgs field may
 > not be in its stable, lowest energy state. Rather, it could achieve a
 > much lower energy by taking on much higher strength. That
 > energy-saving transition should inevitably cause the vacuum to
 > collapse and wipe out the universe.
 >


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#511207 — Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't

You're idiots.
Surface Gravity has a limit.
You're idiots

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#511229 — Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't

On 8/4/15 2:23 PM, john wrote:
> You're idiots.
> Surface Gravity has a limit.
> You're idiots
>

   Yes -- surface gravity in not infinite.



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#511263 — Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:50:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 8/4/15 2:23 PM, john wrote:
> > You're idiots.
> > Surface Gravity has a limit.
> > You're idiots
> >
> 
>    Yes -- surface gravity in not infinite.
> 
> 
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Sam What size is "tiny" Does a tiny particle have any force of gravity to attract a photon? Can their mutual gravity put them into rotation? Does any thing rotate like a solar system in QM? Bohr was shot down for saying an electron rotates around the nuclei It now is "smeared" TreBert

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#511269 — Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't

On 8/4/15 5:13 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 1:50:37 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 8/4/15 2:23 PM, john wrote:
>>> You're idiots.
>>> Surface Gravity has a limit.
>>> You're idiots
>>>
>>
>>     Yes -- surface gravity in not infinite.
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Sam What size is "tiny" Does a tiny particle have any force of gravity to attract a photon? Can their mutual gravity put them into rotation? Does any thing rotate like a solar system in QM? Bohr was shot down for saying an electron rotates around the nuclei It now is "smeared" TreBert
>

   All matter is made up of particle. They have mass and therefore,
   gravity.


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#511213 — Re: Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 5:24:17 AM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Tiny black holes could trigger collapse of universe--except that they don't
> > http://news.sciencemag.org/europe/2015/08/tiny-black-holes-could-trigger-collapse-universe-except-they-dont
> 
> > As for the presentation of the argument in the new paper, Ellis says
> > he has some misgivings that it will whip up unfounded fears about the
> > safety of the LHC once again. For example, the preprint of the paper
> > doesn't mention that cosmic-ray data essentially prove that the LHC
> > cannot trigger the collapse of the vacuum--"because we [physicists]
> > all knew that," Moss says. The final version mentions it on the
> > fourth of five pages. Still, Ellis, who served on a panel to examine
> > the LHC's safety, says he doesn't think it's possible to stop
> > theorists from presenting such arguments in tendentious ways. "I'm
> > not going to lose sleep over it," Ellis says. "If someone asks me,
> > I'm going to say it's so much theoretical noise." Which may not be
> > the most reassuring answer, either.
> >
> 
> 
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SAm I'm working on the :Holy Grail" Gravity comes out of "quantum Gravity" (its source) into our realm to fit with GR.One relationship it comes out of the core of partices,and the core of all macro matter.More mass density greater gravity's force.Gravity is very tricky in QM,but my task is to reason why its so tricky.My thoughts go with infinity as I try to go with the smallest quantum building block.Smaller than the quark.Smaller than a neutrino.TreBert PS Treb told me he can not help

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