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| Started by | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-02-27 18:30 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-03-08 10:01 -0800 |
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Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 18:30 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 20:40 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 18:56 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 12:52 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 12:38 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 15:04 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 13:47 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 16:05 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 14:20 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 16:43 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 22:43 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 16:46 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:05 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 18:46 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:58 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 19:07 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-03 00:51 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 21:33 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 13:59 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 14:36 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 22:51 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 22:44 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 14:53 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 23:48 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 15:11 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 17:18 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 23:51 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 16:07 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 18:13 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 18:22 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 16:28 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-28 23:49 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 15:59 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-03 00:12 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:18 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-03 00:52 +0000
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 08:54 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 20:52 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 18:57 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 19:31 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 19:54 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-27 22:37 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 20:51 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 21:11 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 21:55 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-27 22:28 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 23:08 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-28 19:21 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-27 20:51 -0600
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 23:34 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 21:18 -0800
re, re, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 13:12 -0800
Re: re, re, re James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 14:53 -0800
Re: re, re, re Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 17:33 -0600
Re: re, re, re James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 15:36 -0800
Re: re, re, re jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-02 23:55 +0000
Re: re, re, re Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 18:50 -0600
Re: re, re, re James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 11:24 -0800
Re: re, re, re jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-05 19:35 +0000
re de rain noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:37 -0800
Re: re de rain James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 13:32 -0800
Re: re de rain noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:22 -0800
Re: re, re, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:20 -0800
Re: re, re, re James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 14:29 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air lipperf <pippinese@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 09:51 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 10:17 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air lipperf <pippinese@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 11:16 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 11:31 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air lipperf <pippinese@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 11:42 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 12:15 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air lipperf <pippinese@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 07:41 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 08:42 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air pippinese@gmail.com - 2016-03-08 09:22 -0800
Re: Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 10:01 -0800
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 19:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9244b1bc-38fc-4183-88f9-766823de77ab@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557472 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 7:31:52 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:57:36 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:52:32 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > Density of Moist Air - an Air Vapor Mixture > > > > > > > The amount of water vapor in air will influence the density. Water > > > > vapor is a relatively light *gas* compared to diatomic Oxygen and > > > > diatomic Nitrogen - the dominant components in air. > > > > > > > > When the vapor content increase in moist air the amount of Oxygen and > > > > Nitrogen are decreased per unit volume and the density of the mix > > > > will also decrease since the mass is decreasing. > > > > > > > > *Dry air is more dense that humid air* ! > > > > This tests for weight, not density. > > But all along you have claimed that moist air is denser than dry air... Not me.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 22:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nattjo$1o4t$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #557478 |
On 2/27/2016 9:54 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 7:31:52 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:57:36 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: >>> On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:52:32 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>>> Density of Moist Air - an Air Vapor Mixture >>>> >>>>> The amount of water vapor in air will influence the density. Water >>>>> vapor is a relatively light *gas* compared to diatomic Oxygen and >>>>> diatomic Nitrogen - the dominant components in air. >>>>> When the vapor content increase in moist air the amount of Oxygen and >>>>> Nitrogen are decreased per unit volume and the density of the mix >>>>> will also decrease since the mass is decreasing. >>>>> >>>>> *Dry air is more dense that humid air* ! >>> >>> This tests for weight, not density. >> >> But all along you have claimed that moist air is denser than dry air... > > Not me. > Liar ! ... that is why you are in an institution! what happened to your videos on you tube ? why did you take them down ? was it the feedback ? did people enjoy your advanced intellectualism ?
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 20:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bc189fdc-26ce-4631-aca6-043d92eaac23@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557494 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 8:38:26 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > On 2/27/2016 9:54 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 7:31:52 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:57:36 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > >>> On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:52:32 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > >>>>> Density of Moist Air - an Air Vapor Mixture > >>>> > >>>>> The amount of water vapor in air will influence the density. Water > >>>>> vapor is a relatively light *gas* compared to diatomic Oxygen and > >>>>> diatomic Nitrogen - the dominant components in air. > > >>>>> When the vapor content increase in moist air the amount of Oxygen and > >>>>> Nitrogen are decreased per unit volume and the density of the mix > >>>>> will also decrease since the mass is decreasing. > >>>>> > >>>>> *Dry air is more dense that humid air* ! > >>> > >>> This tests for weight, not density. > >> > >> But all along you have claimed that moist air is denser than dry air... > > > > Not me. > > > > Liar ! ... that is why you are in an institution! > > > what happened to your videos on you tube ? > > why did you take them down ? > > was it the feedback ? > > did people enjoy your advanced intellectualism ? Maybe you could make a video about your problems with wetness.
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 21:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <21b4883e-8294-4cd5-963c-feb86374a030@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557478 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 7:54:56 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 7:31:52 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:57:36 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:52:32 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > > Density of Moist Air - an Air Vapor Mixture > > > > > > > > > The amount of water vapor in air will influence the density. Water > > > > > vapor is a relatively light *gas* compared to diatomic Oxygen and > > > > > diatomic Nitrogen - the dominant components in air. > > > > > > > > > > When the vapor content increase in moist air the amount of Oxygen and > > > > > Nitrogen are decreased per unit volume and the density of the mix > > > > > will also decrease since the mass is decreasing. > > > > > > > > > > *Dry air is more dense that humid air* ! > > > > > > This tests for weight, not density. > > > > But all along you have claimed that moist air is denser than dry air... > > Not me. Well, yes, you did make that claim. It makes no difference in any case, because when measuring equal volumes, the heavier is also the densest... after all, D=m/v
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 21:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2d1fab8c-1b2b-4f0f-b979-a3896c2f44af@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557503 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 9:11:22 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > It makes no difference in any case, because when measuring equal volumes, the heavier is also the densest... after all, D=m/v As you suggest, it can mean that. But, as I've explained about 20 times now, it can also mean H2O/air. In fact this is what meteorologists measure. The only question that remains is how many more fucking times will I have to explain this to you morons.
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 22:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <526d948e-2a9b-4ab7-b164-2396a99e192d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557506 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 9:55:42 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 9:11:22 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > > > It makes no difference in any case, because when measuring equal volumes, the heavier is also the densest... after all, D=m/v > > As you suggest, it can mean that. But, as I've explained about 20 times now, it can also mean H2O/air. In fact this is what meteorologists measure. But H2O/air is lighter than just air and not as dense (as long as the H2O is in the form of water vapor, of course)! > The only question that remains is how many more fucking times will I have to explain this to you morons. But you haven't explained anything!
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 23:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4ed913f4-0771-4c24-b22c-c33d26379cc6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557509 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 10:28:32 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 9:55:42 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 9:11:22 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > It makes no difference in any case, because when measuring equal volumes, the heavier is also the densest... after all, D=m/v > > > > As you suggest, it can mean that. But, as I've explained about 20 times now, it can also mean H2O/air. In fact this is what meteorologists measure. > > But H2O/air is lighter than just air and not as dense (as long as the H2O is in the form of water vapor, of course)! I'm not sure, but I think you are starting to understand. Maybe it is best for you to quit while you're ahead.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 19:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <nb06g6$1atp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #557506 |
On 2/27/2016 11:55 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 9:11:22 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> It makes no difference in any case, because when measuring equal >> volumes, the heavier is also the densest... after all, D=m/v > > As you suggest, it can mean that. But, as I've explained about 20 > times now, it can also mean H2O/air. "H2O/air", WTF is that ? Water Gas ? what 20 times, each time you have a different spew. > In fact this is what > meteorologists measure. no, typical measurement of humidity is... => You go google it, pupa. > > The only question that remains is how many more fucking times will I > have to explain this to you morons. explaining why you don't believe in common science facts, without any math or science behind it, will take a really really long time.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-27 20:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <natne2$1hgf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #557455 |
On 2/27/2016 8:30 PM, James McGinn wrote:
> Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air
> versus dry air
>
> Purpose: Compare the weight of moist air versus dry air, all other
> factors being controlled
>
> Materials needed: Mason jars, one dozen (to repeat controlled
> experiment 4 times) Aluminum foil , one square foot Fishing line, one
> yard, scissors Cotton ball Distilled water, one ounce Access to warm,
> dry room, or dry environment, like a desert setting Extremely
> sensitive scales that can measure extremely small differences in
> weight between mason jars Vacuum pump
>
> Procedures: In warm, dry room, or windless, desert environment set up
> a table.
>
> Prepare two, two by two inch squares of aluminum foil enclosed around
> a cotton ball with fishing line, such that the whole thing can be
> lowered into an open mason jar, without contaminating the jar with
> cotton or precipitate from the water droplet.
>
> Open three of the mason jars and let the ambient air balance in all
> three. Fan them to balance the air in all three.
>
> In one of the two aluminum foil, cotton, fishing line thingies put a
> drop of distilled water. Be sure to allow for moisture to evaporate
> out of it
evaporate ?
liquid water disappears into the air,
water turn into a GAS ?
you said this is impossible, did your little troll brain forget ?
So you are loony toony, delusional, and a stinking little brony
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-29 23:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <65285b8b-e618-463b-8d50-cec7540fed28@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557461 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:52:56 PM UTC-8, Sergio wrote: > On 2/27/2016 8:30 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air > > versus dry air > > > > Purpose: Compare the weight of moist air versus dry air, all other > > factors being controlled > > > > Materials needed: Mason jars, one dozen (to repeat controlled > > experiment 4 times) Aluminum foil , one square foot Fishing line, one > > yard, scissors Cotton ball Distilled water, one ounce Access to warm, > > dry room, or dry environment, like a desert setting Extremely > > sensitive scales that can measure extremely small differences in > > weight between mason jars Vacuum pump > > > > Procedures: In warm, dry room, or windless, desert environment set up > > a table. > > > > Prepare two, two by two inch squares of aluminum foil enclosed around > > a cotton ball with fishing line, such that the whole thing can be > > lowered into an open mason jar, without contaminating the jar with > > cotton or precipitate from the water droplet. > > > > Open three of the mason jars and let the ambient air balance in all > > three. Fan them to balance the air in all three. > > > > In one of the two aluminum foil, cotton, fishing line thingies put a > > drop of distilled water. Be sure to allow for moisture to evaporate > > out of it > > evaporate ? > liquid water disappears into the air, > water turn into a GAS ? > > you said this is impossible, did your little troll brain forget ? > > > So you are loony toony, delusional, and a stinking little brony
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 21:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dda3d8fc-6b06-4bac-8350-c326a35c536f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557455 |
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 6:30:35 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > Procedures and Methods for measuring (testing) the weigh of moist air versus dry air > > Purpose: > Compare the weight of moist air versus dry air, all other factors being controlled > > Materials needed: > Mason jars, one dozen (to repeat controlled experiment 4 times) > Aluminum foil , one square foot > Fishing line, one yard, scissors > Cotton ball > Distilled water, one ounce > Access to warm, dry room, or dry environment, like a desert setting > Extremely sensitive scales that can measure extremely small differences in weight between mason jars > Vacuum pump > > Procedures: > In warm, dry room, or windless, desert environment set up a table. > > Prepare two, two by two inch squares of aluminum foil enclosed around a cotton ball with fishing line, such that the whole thing can be lowered into an open mason jar, without contaminating the jar with cotton or precipitate from the water droplet. > > Open three of the mason jars and let the ambient air balance in all three. Fan them to balance the air in all three. > > In one of the two aluminum foil, cotton, fishing line thingies put a drop of distilled water. Be sure to allow for moisture to evaporate out of it > > Lower both of these thingies into two of the jars. > > Turn the lids upside down for all three jars and place them over the top of the jars, this will trap any moisture and prevent it from "convecting" away. Wait for ten minutes, or so, allowing for evaporation. > > Any moisture should have evaporated in from the thingies into the mason jars. This should have increased the moisture level in the one jar and should have left it unchanged in the other jars. The moisture having pushed out a equal number of air particles. > > Carefully remove the thingies and screw the top on the jars tightly. > > Be sure to only handle jars with latex gloves, don't tape or glue anything to jars. Put jars in plastic bags to protect them from contamination. Be sure to distinguish which jar is which. And be sure to keep respective sets together. > > Weigh the mason jars and record their respective weights > Open lid, fan to balance humidity level and weigh again > Evacuate all with pump and weigh again. > > Produce a data table with all of the respective weights for all three of the jars. Repeat for all additional (three) sets of jars. > > Evaluate data. > > If the moist air jar is heavier (as I claim) then my premise is proven. > If it is lighter then the traditional understanding is proven. > If there is no measurable different then more precise scales are needed.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-29 13:12 -0800 |
| Subject | re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <5db378ad-faa0-473f-93e3-f9bc1613220e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #557766 |
you may have a postulate as to why, if HOH is lighter than air, it should increase the weight of air. so, I gather that you say it is because HOH does not occur in the gas phase, by refusing to completely evaporate > > If the moist air jar is heavier (as I claim) then my premise is proven. > > If it is lighter then the traditional understanding is proven. > > If there is no measurable different then more precise scales are needed.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-29 14:53 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <1047c703-e5a1-4c74-a008-f5b2f863b337@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #558052 |
On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:12:14 PM UTC-8, noTthaTguY wrote: > you may have a postulate as to why, > if HOH is lighter than air, > it should increase the weight of air. so, I gather that > you say it is because HOH does not occur in the gas phase, > by refusing to completely evaporate On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:12:14 PM UTC-8, noTthaTguY wrote: > you may have a postulate as to why, > if HOH is lighter than air, > it should increase the weight of air. so, I gather that > you say it is because HOH does not occur in the gas phase, > by refusing to completely evaporate Right. Even when it is invisible it is still liquid droplets/cluster. In fact it is impossible, because water's boiling point has been well established by the laboratory evidence. How was it that it took you this long to figure out that this was my postulate?
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-29 17:33 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <4uGdndN3xaH8SEnLnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #558079 |
On 2/29/16 4:53 PM, James McGinn wrote: > Even when it is invisible it is still liquid droplets/cluster. Except when it [water] is gas, which is most of the time. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 15:36 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <fdf0b568-b019-4b73-8b38-a7628f34016f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #558092 |
On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:33:55 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 2/29/16 4:53 PM, James McGinn wrote: > > Even when it is invisible it is still liquid droplets/cluster. > > > Except when it [water] is gas, which is most of the time. Sam, do you have any proof that clear air is gaseous? Answer the question you evasive AGW loon.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 23:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <24bkqc-87p.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #558722 |
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:33:55 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: >> On 2/29/16 4:53 PM, James McGinn wrote: >> > Even when it is invisible it is still liquid droplets/cluster. >> >> >> Except when it [water] is gas, which is most of the time. > > Sam, do you have any proof that clear air is gaseous? Have you the slightest clue just how mind boggling, blaziningly, and absolutely ignorant that question is? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 18:50 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <78GdnekfxPbKF0rLnZ2dnUU7-NkAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #558731 |
On 3/2/16 5:55 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > Have you the slightest clue just how mind boggling, blaziningly, and > absolutely ignorant that question is? It like you saying, "I fell down, but nobody can prove gravity exists, after all I can't see it". Get real, James. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-05 11:24 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <8f66d5a6-a151-4c72-aeba-f9fcac25f4af@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #558731 |
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:01:06 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> Except when it [water] is gas, which is most of the time. > > > > Sam, do you have any proof that clear air is gaseous? > > Have you the slightest clue just how mind boggling, blazingly, and > absolutely ignorant that question is? Seems like a good question to me. Is there some reason you don't just answer it?
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-05 19:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: re, re, re |
| Message-ID | <e0prqc-mpk.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #559620 |
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:01:06 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> >> Except when it [water] is gas, which is most of the time. >> > >> > Sam, do you have any proof that clear air is gaseous? >> >> Have you the slightest clue just how mind boggling, blazingly, and >> absolutely ignorant that question is? > > Seems like a good question to me. This is because you are delusional and mind boggling, blazingly, and absolutely ignorant. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-02 11:37 -0800 |
| Subject | re de rain |
| Message-ID | <4ae16d52-5e7a-422a-8f6b-0fa4546a9d09@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #558079 |
given the relative humidity (r.h, it is hard for drops to form when it is less than 1 (one; more than one is supersaturated, whence falleth raindrops > > by refusing to completely evaporate > > Right. Even when it is invisible it is still liquid droplets/cluster. In fact it is impossible, because water's boiling point has been well established by the laboratory evidence. > > How was it that it took you this long to figure out that this was my postulate?
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