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| Started by | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-11-25 15:32 -0600 |
| Last post | 2015-11-25 23:34 -0600 |
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Meeting a Global Carbon Limit Is Cheaper Than Avoiding One Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 15:32 -0600
Re: Meeting a Global Carbon Limit Is Cheaper Than Avoiding One jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 23:47 +0000
Re: Meeting a Global Carbon Limit Is Cheaper Than Avoiding One gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-25 23:34 -0600
| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-25 15:32 -0600 |
| Subject | Meeting a Global Carbon Limit Is Cheaper Than Avoiding One |
| Message-ID | <j-ednW1lho5NtcvLnZ2dnUU7-d-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
Meeting a Global Carbon Limit Is Cheaper Than Avoiding One > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/meeting-a-global-carbon-limit-is-cheaper-than-avoiding-one/ > Can we do it? Climate scientist James E. Hansen has made a compelling > case that we could pull 100 billion tons of carbon from the air by > massive reforestation—limiting land use enough to allow forests to > grow back to their extent before human deforestation. That, along > with reducing carbon emissions by several percent a year, which is > challenging but doable, could meet the 2° C stabilization target. > > History is replete with preemptive declarations of infeasibility that > proved misguided. As Joe Romm of the Center for American Progress > said in response to climate critics, “Thank goodness these pundits > weren't around when we had to do something really difficult, like > suffer millions of casualties and remake our entire economy almost > overnight to win World War II.” An inspired agreement at the COP21 > climate summit in Paris this month could kick-start an ambitious but > entirely feasible effort. > > The key factor is that there are technological innovations and > economies of scale that emerge only in the course of actually doing > something. The price of solar cells globally, for example, has > dropped by more than 50 percent over the past several years as China > has ramped up production. Those who say “no we can't” are engaging in > self-fulfilling prophecy. The U.S. has never been a nation of > no-we-canters. > > Even with innovation and scaling up, we may at some point have to > deploy “direct-air capture” technology, which pulls carbon dioxide > out of the atmosphere. That would be expensive, but Klaus Lackner, an > engineering professor at Arizona State University, is confident that > the cost could be brought down to $30 a ton with volume > manufacturing. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-25 23:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dtthic-5co.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote: > Meeting a Global Carbon Limit Is Cheaper Than Avoiding One >> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/meeting-a-global-carbon-limit-is-cheaper-than-avoiding-one/ > > >> Can we do it? Climate scientist James E. Hansen has made a compelling >> case that we could pull 100 billion tons of carbon from the air by >> massive reforestation?limiting land use enough to allow forests to >> grow back to their extent before human deforestation. That, along >> with reducing carbon emissions by several percent a year, which is >> challenging but doable, could meet the 2? C stabilization target. >> >> History is replete with preemptive declarations of infeasibility that >> proved misguided. As Joe Romm of the Center for American Progress >> said in response to climate critics, ?Thank goodness these pundits >> weren't around when we had to do something really difficult, like >> suffer millions of casualties and remake our entire economy almost >> overnight to win World War II.? An inspired agreement at the COP21 >> climate summit in Paris this month could kick-start an ambitious but >> entirely feasible effort. >> >> The key factor is that there are technological innovations and >> economies of scale that emerge only in the course of actually doing >> something. The price of solar cells globally, for example, has >> dropped by more than 50 percent over the past several years as China >> has ramped up production. Those who say ?no we can't? are engaging in >> self-fulfilling prophecy. The U.S. has never been a nation of >> no-we-canters. >> >> Even with innovation and scaling up, we may at some point have to >> deploy ?direct-air capture? technology, which pulls carbon dioxide >> out of the atmosphere. That would be expensive, but Klaus Lackner, an >> engineering professor at Arizona State University, is confident that >> the cost could be brought down to $30 a ton with volume >> manufacturing. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! What a pile of steaming, hysterical shit. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-25 23:34 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n365l4$jud$3@speranza.aioe.org> |
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On 11/25/2015 3:32 PM, Sam Wormley wrote: > Meeting a Global Carbon Limit Is Cheaper Than Avoiding One WRONG. carbon limits are wild ass guesses.
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