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1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2016-09-30 15:42 -0700
Last post2016-10-05 13:25 -0500
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  1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 15:42 -0700
    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-30 19:50 -0500
      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 20:43 -0500
        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 21:16 -0500
          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 21:22 -0500
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-30 22:47 -0500
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-10-01 13:48 +0000
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-10-01 15:27 +0100
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 09:53 -0500
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-10-01 21:53 +0100
                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:06 -0500
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 13:31 -0700
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-01 15:03 -0700
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-02 14:54 -0700
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-02 00:18 -0400
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:31 -0500
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 09:57 -0500
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 08:11 -0700
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 18:03 +0000
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:47 -0500
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:10 -0500
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 21:15 +0000
                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:21 -0500
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 22:12 +0000
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 17:28 -0500
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 22:51 +0000
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:26 -0500
                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 05:32 +0000
                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 13:59 -0500
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:20 -0700
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:11 -0500
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 10:27 -0700
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:26 +0000
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:12 +0000
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 18:16 -0400
                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 22:28 +0000
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-02 02:18 -0500
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:47 -0400
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:17 +0000
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 19:44 -0400
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:29 -0700
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:15 -0500
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 10:47 -0700
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 14:40 -0500
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:24 +0000
                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 20:43 -0500
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-02 23:17 +0000
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:48 +0000
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-03 11:57 +0000
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:37 -0700
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:17 -0500
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:30 +0000
                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 20:17 -0500
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-02 20:48 -0500
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 21:10 -0500
                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 05:14 +0000
                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-03 14:45 -0500
                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 00:12 +0000
                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 12:32 -0500
                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 18:41 +0000
                                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-04 14:59 -0400
                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 19:44 +0000
                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-04 16:04 -0400
                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-04 21:45 +0000
                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 22:12 +0000
                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 16:13 -0700
                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 00:06 +0000
                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 19:39 -0700
                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:06 +0000
                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 23:07 -0500
                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:24 +0000
                                                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-05 21:28 -0500
                                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 19:55 -0700
                                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 04:29 +0000
                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 08:01 -0500
                                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:29 +0000
                                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 04:19 +0000
                                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-06 18:02 +0000
                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:30 +0000
                                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2016-10-08 00:38 +1100
                                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 21:51 +0000
                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2016-10-07 00:33 +0200
                                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:28 -0700
                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-06 12:00 -0700
                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:46 +0000
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                                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 20:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:40 -0700
                                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 20:58 +0000
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                                                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 04:54 +0000
                                                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 22:11 -0700
                                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-06 23:10 -0700
                                                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 09:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-07 10:12 -0700
                                                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:15 -0700
                                                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 14:29 -0500
                                                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-08 01:32 -0400
                                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 21:55 +0000
                                                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 15:43 -0700
                                                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 22:55 +0000
                                                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 16:23 -0700
                                                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 01:47 +0000
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                                                                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 05:34 +0000
                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 17:31 -0500
                                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:14 -0700
                                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 18:48 -0500
                                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:53 -0700
                                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 12:04 -0500
                                                                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:15 -0700
                                                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 14:37 -0500
                                                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 13:14 -0700
                                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 17:30 -0500
                                                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 15:45 -0700
                                                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 22:22 -0500
                                                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:25 -0700
                                                                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 13:43 -0500
                                                                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-07 22:01 -0700
                                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-06 20:42 -0400
                                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-06 06:53 +0000
                                                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 07:58 -0500
                                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 08:08 -0500
                                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:38 +0000
                                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 15:56 -0700
                                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 00:14 +0000
                                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 19:39 -0700
                                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:25 +0000
                            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 11:00 -0700
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:20 -0500
                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 22:07 -0500
                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 13:45 -0700
                                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 21:13 +0000
                                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 21:22 -0500
                                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 04:59 +0000
                                          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 12:17 -0500
                              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 00:26 +0000
                                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 17:35 -0700
                                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 21:12 -0500
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-02 22:32 -0500
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 05:15 +0000
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 17:23 -0500
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-08 12:20 -0700
        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 05:30 +0000
          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:35 -0500
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-01 18:17 +0300
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 18:12 +0000
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-02 01:17 +0300
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 19:08 -0400
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 00:11 +0000
                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:50 -0400
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:26 +0000
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 20:47 -0500
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 00:09 +0000
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-02 22:06 +0300
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:54 -0400
                      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:40 +0000
                        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 08:29 -0500
                  Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 20:46 -0500
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 21:27 -0500
                    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:56 -0400
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 18:07 +0000
      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 19:24 -0700
        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 11:38 -0700
          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 11:53 -0700
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 15:20 -0500
          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 12:00 -0700
    Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-10-02 09:02 -0400
      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 11:26 -0400
        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 16:56 +0000
          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-10-02 19:53 -0400
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 08:30 -0500
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-03 13:41 +0000
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Peter Bender" <pbender@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-04 07:00 +0200
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 10:25 -0500
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:34 -0700
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:29 -0500
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-03 13:41 -0700
            Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 17:37 +0200
              Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-05 11:20 -0700
                Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-05 14:11 -0500
          lift-off noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 20:08 -0700
            Re: lift-off Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 08:32 -0500
              Re: lift-off edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 11:07 -0700
                Re: lift-off rbrteline@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 12:45 -0700
                Re: lift-off Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:31 -0500
                  Re: lift-off edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 13:41 -0700
                    Re: lift-off Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 21:40 -0500
      Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 17:36 +0200
        Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 10:41 -0700
          Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-05 13:25 -0500

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#599195

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-02 22:32 -0500
Message-ID<nssjg7$q4k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#599039
On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>>>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says
>>>>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared
>>>>>>> -d ie .html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of
>>>>>> Mars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission
>>>>>> -e xp
>>>>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-
>>>>>> cl ai ms.html
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation
>>>>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests
>>>>>>      missions to
>>>>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation
>>>>>>      Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays
>>>>>>      increase This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can
>>>>>>      safely stay in space It is predicted solar activity will
>>>>>>      continue to decrease in future This will mean male astronauts
>>>>>>      can only stay in space for 320 days And for females this is
>>>>>>      reduced to just 240 days These would be too short for a
>>>>>>      mission to Mars, particularly for women Both would be
>>>>>>      susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and more

>>>>> British 'journalism' at its best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and
>>>>> may drop to 30 as time went by.
>>>>>
>>>>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the
>>>>> obvious ones can be dealt with.

>>>>> pt
>>>>
>>>> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine,
>>>> right ?
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> http://www.spacex.com/mars
>>>
>>> pt

>>
>> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it is
>> a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay for
>> his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity.
>>
>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to
>> wash clothes in space.

> Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number
> of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't
> think it's a ploy; he's serious.
>

just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars 
stuff, 16 billion

that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D  Gov money.

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#599205

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-03 05:15 +0000
Message-ID<5569cd-pk5.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#599195
In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

<snip>

> just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars 
> stuff, 16 billion
> 
> that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D  Gov money.

Obviously.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#599933

FromLynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-07 17:23 -0500
Message-ID<nt979d$va8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#599013
On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in
>>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says
>>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-d
>>>>> ie .html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars???
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-e
>>>> xp
>>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-cl
>>>> ai ms.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation
>>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims
>>>>
>>>>      A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions
>>>>      to
>>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation
>>>>      Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase
>>>>      This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in
>>>>      space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease
>>>>      in future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space
>>>>      for 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days
>>>>      These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly
>>>>      for women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness,
>>>>      cancer and more
>>>
>>> British 'journalism' at its best.
>>>
>>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and
>>> may drop to 30 as time went by.
>>>
>>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars.
>>>
>>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the
>>> obvious ones can be dealt with.
>>>
>>> pt
>>
>> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine,
>> right ?
>
> Wrong.
>
> http://www.spacex.com/mars
>
> pt

Did you really watch that entire one hour video ?

What did he say about propulsion ?

Lynn

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#599988

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2016-10-08 12:20 -0700
Message-ID<5401139d-414a-4ad5-8cff-eb0f55efe062@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#599933
On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 3:23:59 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> >>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in
> >>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says
> >>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-d
> >>>>> ie .html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars???
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-e
> >>>> xp
> >>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-cl
> >>>> ai ms.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation
> >>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims
> >>>>
> >>>>      A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions
> >>>>      to
> >>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation
> >>>>      Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase
> >>>>      This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in
> >>>>      space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease
> >>>>      in future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space
> >>>>      for 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days
> >>>>      These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly
> >>>>      for women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness,
> >>>>      cancer and more
> >>>
> >>> British 'journalism' at its best.
> >>>
> >>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and
> >>> may drop to 30 as time went by.
> >>>
> >>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars.
> >>>
> >>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the
> >>> obvious ones can be dealt with.
> >>>
> >>> pt
> >>
> >> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine,
> >> right ?
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > http://www.spacex.com/mars
> >
> > pt
> 
> Did you really watch that entire one hour video ?
> 
> What did he say about propulsion ?
> 
> Lynn


I wonder if Elon Musk is willing to head up the expedition?

Double-A

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#599019

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-01 05:30 +0000
Message-ID<g8u3cd-nu9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#599010
In sci.physics Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org:
> 
>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says
>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-die
>>> .html 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars???
>>>
>> 
>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars.
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-exp
>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-clai
>> ms.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation
>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims
>> 
>>      A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions to
>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation
>>      Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase
>>      This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in
>>      space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease in
>>      future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space for
>>      320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days
>>      These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly for
>>      women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and
>>      more 
> 
> British 'journalism' at its best.
> 
> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and
> may drop to 30 as time went by. 
> 
> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars.
> 
> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the
> obvious ones can be dealt with.
> 
> pt

Yep, all it takes is a continuous supply of technology, spare parts,
food, and water.

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#599040

FromCryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-01 09:35 -0500
Message-ID<XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>
In reply to#599019
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in news:g8u3cd-nu9.ln1@mail.specsol.com:

> In sci.physics Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in
>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: 
>> 
>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says
>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-d
>>>> ie .html 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars???
>>>>
>>> 
>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-e
>>> xp 
>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-cl
>>> ai ms.html 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation
>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims
>>> 
>>>      A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions
>>>      to 
>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation
>>>      Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase
>>>      This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in
>>>      space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease
>>>      in future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space
>>>      for 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days
>>>      These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly
>>>      for women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness,
>>>      cancer and more 
>> 
>> British 'journalism' at its best.
>> 
>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and
>> may drop to 30 as time went by. 
>> 
>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars.
>> 
>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the
>> obvious ones can be dealt with.
>> 
>> pt
> 
> Yep, all it takes is a continuous supply of technology, spare parts,
> food, and water.

Given that you send the right tech, getting water growing food locally
should be possible. 

Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
is mindboggling. 

pt

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#599045

FromJuho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com>
Date2016-10-01 18:17 +0300
Message-ID<MPG.325a00046cac29bc989991@news.kolumbus.fi>
In reply to#599040
In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
treifamily@gmail.com says...

> 
> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
> is mindboggling. 

They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
away with less.

Might not be very fun for anyone not really into colonizing Mars, but I 
doubt those are looking to sign up to begin with.

-- 
Juho Julkunen

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#599056

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-01 18:12 +0000
Message-ID<7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#599045
In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
> treifamily@gmail.com says...
> 
>> 
>> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
>> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
>> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
>> is mindboggling. 
> 
> They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
> focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
> away with less.

Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#599090

FromJuho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com>
Date2016-10-02 01:17 +0300
Message-ID<MPG.325a627b38691618989992@news.kolumbus.fi>
In reply to#599056
In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
says...
> 
> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
> > treifamily@gmail.com says...
> > 
> >> 
> >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
> >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
> >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
> >> is mindboggling. 
> > 
> > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
> > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
> > away with less.
> 
> Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
> Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
> all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
> parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.

Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
more rudimentary computing technology.

We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
of easily supportable technology.

Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
on the table.

-- 
Juho Julkunen

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#599093

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-01 19:08 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.325a0bf32a919d2498a5ce@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#599090
In article <MPG.325a627b38691618989992@news.kolumbus.fi>, 
giaotanj@hotmail.com says...
> 
> In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> says...
> > 
> > In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
> > > treifamily@gmail.com says...
> > > 
> > >> 
> > >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
> > >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
> > >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
> > >> is mindboggling. 
> > > 
> > > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
> > > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
> > > away with less.
> > 
> > Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
> > Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
> > all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
> > parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
> 
> Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
> circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
> more rudimentary computing technology.
> 
> We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
> of easily supportable technology.
> 
> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
> on the table.

I think the real issue is going to be keeping the whole thing going 
until they can get resource extraction set up.  There might have to be 
some substantial robotic infrastructure in place before the first 
colonists arrive.

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#599095

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-02 00:11 +0000
Message-ID<evv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#599093
In sci.physics J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <MPG.325a627b38691618989992@news.kolumbus.fi>, 
> giaotanj@hotmail.com says...
>> 
>> In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>> says...
>> > 
>> > In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
>> > > treifamily@gmail.com says...
>> > > 
>> > >> 
>> > >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
>> > >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
>> > >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
>> > >> is mindboggling. 
>> > > 
>> > > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
>> > > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
>> > > away with less.
>> > 
>> > Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
>> > Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
>> > all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
>> > parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
>> 
>> Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
>> circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
>> more rudimentary computing technology.
>> 
>> We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
>> of easily supportable technology.
>> 
>> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
>> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
>> on the table.
> 
> I think the real issue is going to be keeping the whole thing going 
> until they can get resource extraction set up.  There might have to be 
> some substantial robotic infrastructure in place before the first 
> colonists arrive.

The infrastructure does not need to be robotic, but it does need to
be there to support any significant number of people.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#599151

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-02 16:50 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.325b3d2196ad14e798a5d6@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#599095
In article <evv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
says...
> 
> In sci.physics J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <MPG.325a627b38691618989992@news.kolumbus.fi>, 
> > giaotanj@hotmail.com says...
> >> 
> >> In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> >> says...
> >> > 
> >> > In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
> >> > > treifamily@gmail.com says...
> >> > > 
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
> >> > >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
> >> > >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
> >> > >> is mindboggling. 
> >> > > 
> >> > > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
> >> > > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
> >> > > away with less.
> >> > 
> >> > Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
> >> > Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
> >> > all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
> >> > parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
> >> 
> >> Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
> >> circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
> >> more rudimentary computing technology.
> >> 
> >> We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
> >> of easily supportable technology.
> >> 
> >> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
> >> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
> >> on the table.
> > 
> > I think the real issue is going to be keeping the whole thing going 
> > until they can get resource extraction set up.  There might have to be 
> > some substantial robotic infrastructure in place before the first 
> > colonists arrive.
> 
> The infrastructure does not need to be robotic, but it does need to
> be there to support any significant number of people.

So if people aren't running it and robots aren't running it then what 
_is_ running it?

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#599169

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-02 23:26 +0000
Message-ID<dlh8cd-sh3.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#599151
In sci.physics J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <evv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> says...
>> 
>> In sci.physics J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In article <MPG.325a627b38691618989992@news.kolumbus.fi>, 
>> > giaotanj@hotmail.com says...
>> >> 
>> >> In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>> >> says...
>> >> > 
>> >> > In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
>> >> > > treifamily@gmail.com says...
>> >> > > 
>> >> > >> 
>> >> > >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
>> >> > >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
>> >> > >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
>> >> > >> is mindboggling. 
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
>> >> > > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
>> >> > > away with less.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
>> >> > Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
>> >> > all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
>> >> > parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
>> >> 
>> >> Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
>> >> circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
>> >> more rudimentary computing technology.
>> >> 
>> >> We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
>> >> of easily supportable technology.
>> >> 
>> >> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
>> >> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
>> >> on the table.
>> > 
>> > I think the real issue is going to be keeping the whole thing going 
>> > until they can get resource extraction set up.  There might have to be 
>> > some substantial robotic infrastructure in place before the first 
>> > colonists arrive.
>> 
>> The infrastructure does not need to be robotic, but it does need to
>> be there to support any significant number of people.
> 
> So if people aren't running it and robots aren't running it then what 
> _is_ running it?

Nothing.

It sits there in the shipping containers until all the essential stuff
is in place, then people arrive to uncrate it and start using it.

FYI, stuff like food, air, water, tools, prefab habitats, building
supplies, vehicles, solar panels, reactors, etc. do not require life
support for the trip or to be parked on Mars.

Also if it is there first, you don't have people dependent on it showing
up sometime in the future.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#599100

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-01 20:47 -0500
Message-ID<nspp03$rmn$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#599093
On 10/1/2016 6:08 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <MPG.325a627b38691618989992@news.kolumbus.fi>,
> giaotanj@hotmail.com says...
>>
>> In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>,
>>>> treifamily@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
>>>>> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
>>>>> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
>>>>> is mindboggling.
>>>>
>>>> They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser
>>>> focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get
>>>> away with less.

>>> Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
>>> Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
>>> all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
>>> parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
>>
>> Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated
>> circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a
>> more rudimentary computing technology.

>> We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field
>> of easily supportable technology.
>>
>> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in
>> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be
>> on the table.
>
> I think the real issue is going to be keeping the whole thing going
> until they can get resource extraction set up.  There might have to be
> some substantial robotic infrastructure in place before the first
> colonists arrive.
>

.....all robots running Windows 10.

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#599094

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-02 00:09 +0000
Message-ID<grv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#599090
In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> says...
>> 
>> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
>> > treifamily@gmail.com says...
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
>> >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
>> >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
>> >> is mindboggling. 
>> > 
>> > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
>> > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
>> > away with less.
>> 
>> Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
>> Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
>> all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
>> parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
> 
> Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
> circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
> more rudimentary computing technology.
> 
> We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
> of easily supportable technology.

Point totally missed. Do you have a clue what goes into making something
as simple as a 6-32 screw starting with dirt?

> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
> on the table.

The issue is what would it take to be self sustainng, not how much
stuff would have to be shipped from Earth.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#599139

FromJuho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com>
Date2016-10-02 22:06 +0300
Message-ID<MPG.325b8718f7a7be25989993@news.kolumbus.fi>
In reply to#599094
In article <grv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
says...

> Point totally missed.

-- 
Juho Julkunen

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#599153

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-02 16:54 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.325b3e272a6ecbe298a5d7@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#599094
In article <grv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
says...
> 
> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> > says...
> >> 
> >> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
> >> > treifamily@gmail.com says...
> >> > 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
> >> >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
> >> >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
> >> >> is mindboggling. 
> >> > 
> >> > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
> >> > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
> >> > away with less.
> >> 
> >> Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
> >> Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
> >> all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
> >> parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
> > 
> > Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
> > circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
> > more rudimentary computing technology.
> > 
> > We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
> > of easily supportable technology.
> 
> Point totally missed. Do you have a clue what goes into making something
> as simple as a 6-32 screw starting with dirt?

What do I have to work with?  You're assuming that people are going to 
be cast naked onto the Martian surface and make everything from scratch. 
 
> > Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
> > place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
> > on the table.
> 
> The issue is what would it take to be self sustainng, not how much
> stuff would have to be shipped from Earth.

No, the issue is what would it take to make it _viable_.  The British 
tried very hard to _prevent_ their colonies from becoming self-
sustaining.  If it can ship something back from Mars that is worth more 
than shipping the stuff it needs from Earth then it's viable even if it 
is never self-sustaining.



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#599171

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-02 23:40 +0000
Message-ID<2gi8cd-sh3.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#599153
In sci.physics J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <grv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> says...
>> 
>> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>> > says...
>> >> 
>> >> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
>> >> > treifamily@gmail.com says...
>> >> > 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
>> >> >> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
>> >> >> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
>> >> >> is mindboggling. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser 
>> >> > focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get 
>> >> > away with less.
>> >> 
>> >> Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
>> >> Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
>> >> all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
>> >> parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
>> > 
>> > Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated 
>> > circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a 
>> > more rudimentary computing technology.
>> > 
>> > We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field 
>> > of easily supportable technology.
>> 
>> Point totally missed. Do you have a clue what goes into making something
>> as simple as a 6-32 screw starting with dirt?
> 
> What do I have to work with?  You're assuming that people are going to 
> be cast naked onto the Martian surface and make everything from scratch. 

You have dirt to work with which may or may not contain usefull minerals
in a concentrated enough form to be usefull.

To make a 6-32 screw you need an iron mine and all the equipment, a
funace to convert iron ore into iron, then the stuff to turn iron
into steel (assuming you have the other ingrediants for steel on hand),
then machinery to turn steel into working stock, which in this case
is round rod, then machinery to convert the round rod into a screw.


>> > Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in 
>> > place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be 
>> > on the table.
>> 
>> The issue is what would it take to be self sustainng, not how much
>> stuff would have to be shipped from Earth.
> 
> No, the issue is what would it take to make it _viable_.  The British 
> tried very hard to _prevent_ their colonies from becoming self-
> sustaining.  If it can ship something back from Mars that is worth more 
> than shipping the stuff it needs from Earth then it's viable even if it 
> is never self-sustaining.
 
Nope, read the post that started all this; the issue is self sustaining.

What the British did hundreds of years ago is irrelevent.

Name something on Mars that is worth more than tthe shipping cost to Earth.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#599228

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-03 08:29 -0500
Message-ID<nstmg1$g9m$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#599171
On 10/2/2016 6:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <grv5cd-qko.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>> says...
>>>

>>>
>>> Point totally missed. Do you have a clue what goes into making something
>>> as simple as a 6-32 screw starting with dirt?
>>
>> What do I have to work with?  You're assuming that people are going to
>> be cast naked onto the Martian surface and make everything from scratch.
>
> You have dirt to work with which may or may not contain usefull minerals
> in a concentrated enough form to be usefull.
>
> To make a 6-32 screw you need an iron mine and all the equipment, a
> funace to convert iron ore into iron, then the stuff to turn iron
> into steel (assuming you have the other ingrediants for steel on hand),
> then machinery to turn steel into working stock, which in this case
> is round rod, then machinery to convert the round rod into a screw.
>

back in the 1700's into the 1800's they would file round stock into a 
screw.

Actually I had an air rifle from China (1990's) where the screws were 
hand made, they used a file to make the screw threads and head, I had to 
throw it out it was so poorly made, did not work well.

On Mars one would assume the files, and round stock were shipped from 
Earth.  That would give them something to do during the 20 hours per day 
they stay below ground to avoid radiation. That assumes one has light in 
the shelter, so you need rechargable batteries, large array of solar 
panels...

>
>>>> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in
>>>> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be
>>>> on the table.
>>>
>>> The issue is what would it take to be self sustainng, not how much
>>> stuff would have to be shipped from Earth.
>>
>> No, the issue is what would it take to make it _viable_.  The British
>> tried very hard to _prevent_ their colonies from becoming self-
>> sustaining.  If it can ship something back from Mars that is worth more
>> than shipping the stuff it needs from Earth then it's viable even if it
>> is never self-sustaining.
>
> Nope, read the post that started all this; the issue is self sustaining.
>
> What the British did hundreds of years ago is irrelevent.
>
> Name something on Mars that is worth more than tthe shipping cost to Earth.
>
>

good point.  nothing physical, not even the dead.
UA used to say the Mars astronoughts would have cataracks in 2 or 3 
years, all go blind.  Perhaps if you were on the surface 80% of the time.

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#599099

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-01 20:46 -0500
Message-ID<nspot8$rmn$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#599090
On 10/1/2016 5:17 PM, Juho Julkunen wrote:
> In article <7ta5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> says...
>>
>> In sci.physics Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <XnsA6946BC9E98CAmelchizedek@216.166.97.131>,
>>> treifamily@gmail.com says...

>>>>
>>>> Musk thinks that about a million people are the minimum needed to
>>>> create a self-sustaining colony. I'm a bit sceptical of that - the
>>>> variety of skills and machinery that keeps first-world culture going
>>>> is mindboggling.
>>>
>>> They wouldn't need the entire breadth of that, though. Colony laser
>>> focused on the parts that are needed to sustain it on Mars might get
>>> away with less.

>> Yes, there are some finished goods manufacturing you wouldn't need on
>> Mars such as boat builders and bicycle makers, but you need just about
>> all of the material stock and piece makers, i.e. wire, insulation, electronic
>> parts, PC boards, metal stock, screws, nuts, bolts, etc.
>
> Some stuff on that list can be delivered by a village. Integrated
> circuits not so much, but I'm not sure a colony couldn't get by with a
> more rudimentary computing technology.

> We would have to rebuild the know-how for it. Maybe invent a new field
> of easily supportable technology.
>
> Then again, if they don't have a considerable logistics support in
> place on Earth, shipping a million colonists to Mars shouldn't even be
> on the table.
>

they could be the "excess people" on earth,
why should prizoners be doomed to watching TV 24/7 on earth when they 
can help colonize Mars ?

Colony Mars needs a Leader, either Hillary or Trump.

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