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  Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 17:03 -0700
    Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 17:09 -0700
    Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 20:58 -0400
      Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 18:31 -0700
        Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 22:38 -0400
        Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:28 -0500
          Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 07:39 -0700
            Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 10:01 -0500
              Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 08:10 -0700
                Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 11:00 -0500
                  Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:03 -0700
                    Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:10 -0700
                      Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 10:34 -0700
                        Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 12:56 -0500
                          Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 23:39 -0400
                            Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 07:58 -0500
                        Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 12:58 -0500
                          Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 11:20 -0700
                            Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 13:30 -0500
                              Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 13:31 -0700
                                Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 16:25 -0500
                            Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 15:04 -0400
                      Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 15:00 -0400
              Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 23:34 -0400
                Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 07:57 -0500
      Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-20 13:50 +1100
    Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:25 -0500
      Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 07:26 -0700
        Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 09:57 -0500
          Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 08:10 -0700
            Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 11:45 -0700
            Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 14:58 -0400
          Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-03-21 23:31 -0400
            Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 07:54 -0500
              Re: Another retired general speaks on UFOs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-03-22 17:24 -0700

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#564273

On 3/21/2016 3:31 PM, john wrote:
> We have FROTH!
>
> Odd- you are saying that there COULD BE
> smarter beings than us,

Oh, yes!

> but you reject all the proof in
> UFOs- some of it supplied in great detail
> by A senior scientist at Area 51?

That senior scientist offered NO PROOF OF ANYTHING. His testimony included
1. Pictures of toys presented as pictures of aliens
2. Pictures of voltmeters attached to crystals, not actual voltmeters 
attached to crystals.
3. Hearsay stories about what some pilot experienced, not from the pilot 
himself, but from someone telling a story about some unnamed pilot.

John, honestly. I could make up a story today, make it sound convincing, 
and you would buy it, as long as it was about aliens. I could even just 
TELL YOU that I had credentials at Area 51 and say I'd worked for the 
CIA for two decades and was a ranking officer, and you would have no 
reason to suspect otherwise.

Now, let's suppose there ARE in fact smarter beings than us, something 
like 3000 light-years away. There are several hundred billion planets 
within their sphere of access. Now tell me why they choose Earth. 
Furthermore tell me why TWO OR MORE separate alien races from different 
systems would all decide to come to Earth.

To put this in short form for you: There being other intelligent life in 
the universe does not imply that we have been visited by them, and in 
fact the likelihood of being visited by them is microscopically small. 
This little truth, though, flies in the face of your "first-hand" 
experience, and so you dismiss it.

>
> You are completely conflicted.
> You say whatever suits, whether or not
> it flies in the face of other things that you say.
> Your words are so twisted, that no one
> can ever pin you down.
>
> The new paradigm will be predicated on
> the truth- as it has to be.
>
> Good luck with that
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#564250

On 03/21/2016 02:20 PM, HVAC wrote:
>
> 1:58 PMOdd Bodkin
> On 3/21/2016 12:34 PM, john wrote:
> - show quoted text -
> John, just let me ask you something here.
> Where ANYWHERE in any scientific writing did you get the impression that
> scientists believe
> 1) that we are the center of the universe
> 2) that the human race and the earth are special and singular
> 3) that we are the only intelligent species in the universe
> 4) that God can be proven scientifically not to exist
> ?
>
> Hmmm, John?
> -------------
>
> Notice that wherever I ask a kook WHY, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of fraud, they still believe... They avoid answering?
>
> Why won't they face themselves?
>
John HVAC believes:
1. HE is the center of the universe.
2. That HE is special and singular.
3. That HE is the only intelligent person on the planet
4. That the atheist god he believes in has all the answers.

Simple as that.

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#564246

On 03/21/2016 12:10 PM, HVAC wrote:
> john
> Poor HVAC.
> No life raft
> ----------
>
> That's why I learned to swim.
>
There is no boat! No daughter. No family.
No brain. No education. Nothing but mouth.

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#564341

On 03/21/2016 11:01 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 3/21/2016 9:39 AM, john wrote:
>> I have firsthand experience that you don't have.
>>
>
> Yes, so you say.

Your doubt is as meaningless as that of HVAC. You don't even have a 
name. You make wooden toys but clearly don't market them. You say you 
have education, but only know what you've read in books. How can anyone 
believe anything you say?

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#564440

On 3/21/2016 10:34 PM, benj wrote:
> Your doubt is as meaningless as that of HVAC. You don't even have a
> name.

Of course I have a name. I don't share it with YOU. I don't give a rat's 
ass whether that's annoying to you.

> You make wooden toys but clearly don't market them.

Of course I market them. I just haven't told YOU how I market them.

> You say you
> have education, but only know what you've read in books.

Yes, I have a college education. What I know about physics comes from 
what I've read in books.

> How can anyone
> believe anything you say?

If you base whether what I say is believable on whether I disclose my 
name or my business marketing approach to you, then I think that points 
to part of your problem.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#563788

On 20/03/2016 11:58 AM, benj wrote:
> On 03/19/2016 08:03 PM, john wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WZyDglNi5Y&sns=em
>> Brigadier General Lovekin
>> has also decided late in life
>> to tell a huge story- just like
>> Bushman
>
> Bushman...phooey!
>
> Do you BELIEVE, John?
>
> WHY do you believe when it is BEYOND DOUBT
> that the government has had an ongoing UFO cover-up since before WWII?
> Disclosure is gaining ground and more and more people who know the truth
> are thinking that disclosure is the right thing to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59zLZ6PpeSA

Sylvia.

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#564115

On 3/19/2016 7:03 PM, john wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WZyDglNi5Y&sns=em
> Brigadier General Lovekin
> has also decided late in life
> to tell a huge story- just like
> Bushman
>

Apparently so.

And what makes you think people would not do this?

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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#564116

How have you not been hit by a bus?

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#564131

On 3/21/2016 9:26 AM, john wrote:
> How have you not been hit by a bus?
>

You didn't answer the question.
Why do you think a retired general near the end of his life would not, 
could not, fabricate a fictional story?

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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#564142

Odd Bodkin
On 3/21/2016 9:26 AM, john wrote: 
> How have you not been hit by a bus? 
> 

You didn't answer the question. 
Why do you think a retired general near the end of his life would not, 
could not, fabricate a fictional story? 
------------

And why does John STILL believe this old, dead, fat guy when it's been shown that he is a fraud?

I mean wtf sort of drugs turns someone into a gullible rube?

(No offense BJ and John)

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#564228

he is probably a sponsor of the ShHine@rosweLL
 
> could not, fabricate a fictional story? 
> ------------
> 
> And why does John STILL believe this old, dead, fat guy when it's been shown that he is a fraud?
> 
> I mean wtf sort of drugs turns someone into a gullible rube?
> 
> (No offense BJ and John)

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#564243

On 03/21/2016 11:10 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Odd Bodkin
> On 3/21/2016 9:26 AM, john wrote:
>> How have you not been hit by a bus?
>>
>
> You didn't answer the question.
> Why do you think a retired general near the end of his life would not,
> could not, fabricate a fictional story?
> ------------
>
> And why does John STILL believe this old, dead, fat guy when it's been shown that he is a fraud?
>
> I mean wtf sort of drugs turns someone into a gullible rube?
>
> (No offense BJ and John)
>
If the general were a wrestler HVAC would be a big fan! But since the 
general was speaking good English HVAC can't understand a word. He only 
understands "whupping" people.

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#564340

On 03/21/2016 10:57 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 3/21/2016 9:26 AM, john wrote:
>> How have you not been hit by a bus?
>>
>
> You didn't answer the question.
> Why do you think a retired general near the end of his life would not,
> could not, fabricate a fictional story?

Do you not think that a government covering up data and facts for nearly 
a century would have a and in spreading disinformation all over the 
media and internet? Why would someone who spent his life doing what the 
government told him to do, now suddenly be growing hairs on his butt? 
The government UFO cover-up is BEYOND DOUBT! Until there is disclusure, 
absolutely nothing by anybody no matter who they claim to be can be 
trusted. (Unless you've seen it yourself, natch! What have YOU seen, 
Boinker? John has seen things and so have I)



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#564439

On 3/21/2016 10:31 PM, benj wrote:
> On 03/21/2016 10:57 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 3/21/2016 9:26 AM, john wrote:
>>> How have you not been hit by a bus?
>>>
>>
>> You didn't answer the question.
>> Why do you think a retired general near the end of his life would not,
>> could not, fabricate a fictional story?
>
> Do you not think that a government covering up data and facts for nearly
> a century would have a and in spreading disinformation all over the
> media and internet?

The government has covered up SOME data and facts in CERTAIN areas. I 
don't really think they've lied about everything, and I don't think 
they've done that in every area of influence. Now, you can take the SOME 
to be ALL if you like; that would be consistent with your black/white 
MO; IMO it's stupid and silly.

> Why would someone who spent his life doing what the
> government told him to do, now suddenly be growing hairs on his butt?
> The government UFO cover-up is BEYOND DOUBT! Until there is disclusure,
> absolutely nothing by anybody no matter who they claim to be can be
> trusted.

See? You trust NO ONE. You don't think that's an extreme position, Ben?

> (Unless you've seen it yourself, natch! What have YOU seen,
> Boinker? John has seen things and so have I)



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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#564659

how, do you know, they're not floating ... identifiably objectively

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