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  Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-20 15:14 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 17:23 -0600
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 03:38 -0500
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-21 11:35 -0800
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:42 -0600
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2016-02-22 08:01 -0600
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 06:29 +0800
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? HGW <hw@...> - 2016-02-24 10:06 +1100
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Neac <gnn.net> - 2016-02-23 22:26 +0000
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-02-25 18:28 -0500
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-22 06:18 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 08:56 -0600
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:32 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-02-20 15:26 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-02-21 00:47 +0000
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-20 17:04 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-02-21 12:38 +0000
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Norm X" <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2016-02-20 18:45 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Norm X" <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2016-02-20 19:13 -0800
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-20 20:28 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-02-26 12:50 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-02-21 03:42 -0500
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-21 11:32 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-21 12:41 -0800
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-21 20:20 -0800
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 06:27 +0800
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-28 20:08 -0800
                [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:15 +0800
                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-29 11:04 -0800
                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-02-29 23:52 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:55 +0800
                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-01 14:11 -0800
                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 21:45 +0800
                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:27 -0800
                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-02 18:34 -0800
                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-03 00:40 -0800
                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-05 10:38 -0600
                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-05 09:33 -0800
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-23 14:12 -0800
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2016-02-23 15:49 -0500
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 06:33 +0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-02-22 09:09 -0500
    Is there a God, Yes or No? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 06:27 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 11:15 -0800
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:10 -0600
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:43 -0500
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 11:46 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-02-22 14:41 -0800
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 19:54 -0500
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-22 20:19 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 00:10 -0500
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-22 21:48 -0800
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-22 22:19 -0800
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 09:11 -0500
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-23 17:09 -0800
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 14:47 -0800
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 21:38 -0500
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 21:45 -0500
                Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 03:00 -0800
                  Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 06:08 -0500
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-02-23 03:33 +0000
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-22 20:21 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-02-23 18:20 +0000
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-02-23 12:43 -0600
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2016-02-23 17:52 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-24 12:56 +1100
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-24 00:04 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-24 23:03 +1100
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-02-24 13:12 +0100
          Re: Chritianity's benevolent God is a cheap drug. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-03 11:30 +1100
            WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2016-03-02 17:18 -0800
              Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 20:18 -0700
                WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2016-03-02 19:54 -0800
                  Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-02 23:36 -0800
                Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-03 23:21 +0100
                  Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 14:47 -0700
              Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-03-02 23:14 -0700
                Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 10:52 -0700
              Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-03 18:45 +1100
              Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2016-03-03 22:29 -0400
                Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML). Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-03-04 13:44 -0800
            Re: Chritianity's benevolent God is a cheap drug. Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-03-02 23:56 -0500
              Re: Chritianity's benevolent God is a cheap drug. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-03 18:46 +1100
                Re: Chritianity's benevolent God is a cheap drug. Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-03-03 19:55 -0500
                  Re: Chritianity's benevolent God is a cheap drug. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-05 04:46 +0100
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? bilgat@m.nu - 2016-02-24 04:18 -0600
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-24 23:03 +1100
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? bilgat@m.nu - 2016-02-25 08:53 -0600
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-28 23:33 +1100
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 13:34 -0800
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 21:23 +0800
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-02-24 23:34 +0000
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:40 +0800
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? bilgat@m.nu - 2016-02-25 08:56 -0600
                Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 16:58 +0800
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? bilgat@m.nu - 2016-02-25 08:55 -0600
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 16:59 +0800
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 08:56 -0800
                Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 23:46 +0800
              Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? bilgat@m.nu - 2016-02-26 14:16 -0600
                Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 12:25 -0800
                  Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? bilgat@m.nu - 2016-02-26 23:21 -0600
                Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 22:02 -0800
                  Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-27 08:07 -0800
                    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-27 10:02 -0800
                Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 23:38 +0800
                  Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 12:00 -0500
                    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 23:55 +0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? sanjeeb guru <guru.sanjeeb@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 22:11 -0800
    Is there a God, Yes or No? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 04:17 -0800
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 10:53 -0500
        Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 02:39 -0800
          Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 06:59 -0500
            Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 04:10 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 20:14 -0800
    Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-01 21:19 -0800
      Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-03 11:33 +1100

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#555734

On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:14:26 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:

> If you ask people "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
> You either going to get a Yes or No answer.

That would depend on which of the 30,000+ gods known to have been 
worshipped by mankind you're talking about. Certainly some of them are 
know to (have) exist(ed).

> The answer is either Yes or No.

Maybe.

> But...if you ask God the same question..

Logical error of assuming your conclusion.
If there isn't a god, how could you do that?

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#555745

Smiler wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:14:26 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > If you ask people "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
> > You either going to get a Yes or No answer.
> 
> That would depend on which of the 30,000+ gods known to have been
> worshipped by mankind you're talking about. Certainly some of them are
> know to (have) exist(ed).
> 
> > The answer is either Yes or No.
> 
> Maybe.
> 
> > But...if you ask God the same question..
> 
> Logical error of assuming your conclusion.
> If there isn't a god, how could you do that?


"If"????  you don't sound too sure...

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#555915

On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:21:21 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:

> Smiler wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:14:26 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> > If you ask people "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
>> > You either going to get a Yes or No answer.
>> 
>> That would depend on which of the 30,000+ gods known to have been
>> worshipped by mankind you're talking about. Certainly some of them are
>> know to (have) exist(ed).
>> 
>> > The answer is either Yes or No.
>> 
>> Maybe.
>> 
>> > But...if you ask God the same question..
>> 
>> Logical error of assuming your conclusion.
>> If there isn't a god, how could you do that?
> 
> "If"????  you don't sound too sure...

There's at least one proven-to-be-existent claimed god that one could ask.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#555926

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:20:33 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:21:21 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:
>
>> Smiler wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:14:26 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> 
>>> > If you ask people "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
>>> > You either going to get a Yes or No answer.
>>> 
>>> That would depend on which of the 30,000+ gods known to have been
>>> worshipped by mankind you're talking about. Certainly some of them are
>>> know to (have) exist(ed).
>>> 
>>> > The answer is either Yes or No.
>>> 
>>> Maybe.
>>> 
>>> > But...if you ask God the same question..
>>> 
>>> Logical error of assuming your conclusion.
>>> If there isn't a god, how could you do that?
>> 
>> "If"????  you don't sound too sure...

Whata a fucking moron.

>There's at least one proven-to-be-existent claimed god that one could ask.

It was just being its usual asshole self.

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#556087

On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 5:14:30 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> The answer is either Yes or No.

No answer Yes or No exists to any question of existence until the precondition(s) to that question is/are satisfied: particularly to first DEFINE what it is you're asking the question of!

Since humans almost universally evade that issue one can only draw the conclusion that they are pursuing the matter disingenuously with no wish to actually resolve the issue (meaning first and foremost satisfying the preconditions that may exist!) and that the species is simply not mature enough to approach the matter in an adult fashion.

Therefore I've given up on pursuing any query of the matter just as much as I would with dogs. Remove the "I'll ignore the define precondition taboo" first and we'll talk.

I will give you a start:
determine which of the qualities (Omniscience, Omnipotence, Eternality and Omnipresence) should be ascribed to God as part of the definition and define each in clear (and logically-consistent) terms. Note that the consistency requirement means will make devising a suitable definition for Omnipotency a non-trivial task though it has a solution (provided some of the other attributes are stipulated).

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#556088

On 21/02/2016 10:14 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> If you ask people
> "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
> You either going to get
> a Yes or No answer.
>
> The answer is either Yes or No.
>
> But...if you ask God the same question..
>
> His answer would be...
>
>
> "That's a little bit of a hard question to answer."
>
> God would say, "It's not that black and white..."
>

Why are people required to comply with the "yes or no" constraint, but 
not God?

Sylvia.

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#556162

Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> On 21/02/2016 10:14 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > If you ask people
> > "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
> > You either going to get
> > a Yes or No answer.
> >
> > The answer is either Yes or No.
> >
> > But...if you ask God the same question..
> >
> > His answer would be...
> >
> >
> > "That's a little bit of a hard question to answer."
> >
> > God would say, "It's not that black and white..."
> >
> 
> Why are people required to comply with the "yes or no" constraint, but
> not God?
> 
> Sylvia.


zeros and ones, off and on...yes or no are people concepts.


God exist in both states at the same time.

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#556171

On 24/02/2016 7:04 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>
>> On 21/02/2016 10:14 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> If you ask people
>>> "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
>>> You either going to get
>>> a Yes or No answer.
>>>
>>> The answer is either Yes or No.
>>>
>>> But...if you ask God the same question..
>>>
>>> His answer would be...
>>>
>>>
>>> "That's a little bit of a hard question to answer."
>>>
>>> God would say, "It's not that black and white..."
>>>
>>
>> Why are people required to comply with the "yes or no" constraint, but
>> not God?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
>
> zeros and ones, off and on...yes or no are people concepts.
>
>
> God exist in both states at the same time.
>

That isn't really an answer. If people would reply yes or no anyway, 
then you'll get the same answer with or without the constraint, making 
the constraint redundant.

Essentially, you're proposing to ask people and God different questions, 
and then you're remarking on the anticipated difference in the answers.

Sylvia.

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#556173

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 23:03:11 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

>On 24/02/2016 7:04 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>
>>> On 21/02/2016 10:14 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> If you ask people
>>>> "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
>>>> You either going to get
>>>> a Yes or No answer.
>>>>
>>>> The answer is either Yes or No.
>>>>
>>>> But...if you ask God the same question..
>>>>
>>>> His answer would be...
>>>>

YES.
I am here.
Why do you ask, my son?

w.

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#558745 — Re: Chritianity's benevolent God is a cheap drug.

On 24/02/2016 11:31 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>
>
>     Mr. Starmaker wrote:
>     > > > > "Is there a God, Yes or No?"
>     > >
>     > > God exist in both states at the same time.
>
>     Chritianity's benevolent God is a cheap drug;
>     a painkiller/aphrodisiac.
>
>     Schrödinger doesn't know if his cat is dead or alive;
>     his ignorance doesn't, can't, alter reality.
>
>     Ignorance is not a spatial dimension,
>     as string theory would have you believe.
>
>     Hallucinations are just that, hallucinations,
>     not "alternate realities/universes",
>     as pop science would have you believe.
>
>

You do realise that formatted text in Usenet marks you out as a crank, 
and many people won't go beyond seeing that the text is formatted before 
closing the posting?

Sylvia.

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#558768 — WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

You (Sylvia Else) told me (Jeff Relf):
> You do realise that formatted text[?!] in Usenet 
> marks you out as a crank, and many people won't go beyond 
> seeing that the text is formatted before closing the posting?

The HMTL markup I post is just:

   <h2><PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>

It's very, very simple.
WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML):

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language

You might want to look up the word "crank" because
I don't think you're using it correctly.

No matter, feel free to ignore me, my feelings won't be hurt.

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#558793 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

On 3/2/2016 6:18 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

<snip>

>
> It's very, very simple.
> WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML):
>

Neither of which are _Usenet_.

Usenet is mainly consumed by people who still use ASCII-only newsreaders 
(personally, my Thunderbird is *capable* of more, but there are people 
in here on PINE!).

Thus, you _do not format anything_.

If you want to use ellipsis, you use three separate periods.

If you want to use an en-dash, you use two separate hyphens.

And you're gonna get plonked by more people than will ever open another 
posting of yours if you don't follow those rules *always*.


-- 
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

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#558800 — WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

You (Chrysi Cat) replied (to me):
> > The HMTL markup I post is just:
> > 
> >    <h2><PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
> > 
> > It's very, very simple.
> > WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML):
> 
> Neither of which are _Usenet_.
> 
> Usenet is mainly consumed by people who still use ASCII-only newsreaders 
> (personally, my Thunderbird is *capable* of more, but there are people 
> in here on PINE!).

Usenet allows for it, same as email, to wit, my:

  "Content-Type: text/html".

You want something else ?  Go fuck yourself, I don't care.

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#558843 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

In article <Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2{7.54P.Seattle.2016}>, Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> 
wrote:

> You (Chrysi Cat) replied (to me):
> > > The HMTL markup I post is just:
> > > 
> > >    <h2><PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
> > > 
> > > It's very, very simple.
> > > WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML):
> > 
> > Neither of which are _Usenet_.
> > 
> > Usenet is mainly consumed by people who still use ASCII-only newsreaders 
> > (personally, my Thunderbird is *capable* of more, but there are people 
> > in here on PINE!).
> 
> Usenet allows for it, same as email, to wit, my:

But most people use newsreaders that cannot read anything but ASCII.

My newsreader lets me choose the font I see, which is Georgia (I really 
like the way it looks and how easy it is for me to read). If I get 
messages with a lot of gibberish in them, that person is gonna get 
kill-filed for being annoying and rude.

-- 

JD

"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to 
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake 
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14

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#559018 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

"Chrysi Cat" amok-crossposted to 5(!) newsgroups, across alt.ALL and the Big 
8(!), without Followup-To:

> Usenet is mainly consumed by people who still use ASCII-only newsreaders
> (personally, my Thunderbird is *capable* of more, but there are people
> in here on PINE!).

Their problem.  There are locales and fonts supporting UTF-8 and other non-
ASCII encodings even on the text console.  A newsreader that does not 
support MIME in the 21st century is officially borked now.  See below.
 
> Thus, you _do not format anything_.

Incorrect.  Text can be formatted *bold*, /italic/ and _underlined_ as 
decent newsreaders would support some kind of highlighting, with the 
specified marks and meanings being the common and therefore best supported 
ones.  For example, you mentioned Thunderbird which supports that minimum 
markup in plain-text messages.
 
> If you want to use ellipsis, you use three separate periods.
> 
> If you want to use an en-dash, you use two separate hyphens.

Your half-knowledge is decades out of date.  The first version of the 
Unicode standard has been published in 1991 CE, non-ASCII encodings and 
character sets had been standardized and implemented before, and MIME (1996) 
supports encodings such as ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8 whose character sets include 
the proper typographical marks (e.g., EN DASH “–” and HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS 
“…”, respectively).  Keyboard drivers like XKB also support typing those 
characters directly.  It is no longer necessary or useful to insist on US-
ASCII.  In fact, MIME support is required nowadays; see also RFC 5536, § 
2.3.

As for the Thunderbird example, it recognizes when you type characters that 
cannot be encoded with US-ASCII, and suggests to encode the message with 
UTF-8 instead.  Other newsreaders, like KNode can automatically use and 
declare the minimum required encoding for typed text.  For example, this 
message will be encoded using UTF-8.
 
> And you're gonna get plonked by more people than will ever open another
> posting of yours if you don't follow those rules *always*.

Incorrect.  However, posting multipart messages (for example, a section 
using HTML as part of a multi-part message) to non-binary newsgroups might 
have the described effect.  HTML support in a newsreader is neither required 
nor desired.


X-Post trimmed to the Big 8; F'up2 poster

PointedEars
-- 
A neutron walks into a bar and inquires how much a drink costs.
The bartender replies, "For you? No charge."

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#559031 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

On 03 Mar 2016, you wrote in rec.arts.sf.written:

> "Chrysi Cat" amok-crossposted to 5(!) newsgroups, across alt.ALL
> and the Big 8(!), without Followup-To:
> 
>> Usenet is mainly consumed by people who still use ASCII-only
>> newsreaders (personally, my Thunderbird is *capable* of more,
>> but there are people in here on PINE!).
> 
> Their problem.  There are locales and fonts supporting UTF-8 and
> other non- ASCII encodings even on the text console.  A
> newsreader that does not support MIME in the 21st century is
> officially borked now.  See below. 

Why do you post to Usenet when you know that a lot of people find 
your crap unreadable? Seriously, what's the point? You're a 
litterbug, leaving your trash in other people's way, for no reason 
other than it makes you feel important to force other people to clean 
up after you.

And now you're reduced to email replies only? What a chickenshit way 
to try to get the last word. Childish.

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#558832 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> wrote:

>You (Sylvia Else) told me (Jeff Relf):
>> You do realise that formatted text[?!] in Usenet 
>> marks you out as a crank, and many people won't go beyond 
>> seeing that the text is formatted before closing the posting?
>
>The HMTL markup I post is just:
>
>   <h2><PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>
>It's very, very simple.

In my newsreader, it was formatted as an icon of my default web
browser.  Like Sylvia says, I ignored it and went on to the next post.

-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#558955 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

My theory is that you deliberately use an incomprehesible method of 
posting because you know full well you have nothing to say, but are 
too stupid and narcissitic to not say it.

You're more a loser for choosing to be a loser than for being a 
retard, but you're a loser, either way.

Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> wrote in news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Mar.2
{11.35P.Seattle.2016}:

> You (Greg Goss) replied (to me):
>> > The HMTL markup I post is just:
>> > 
>> >    <h2><PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>> > 
>> > It's very, very simple.
>> 
>> In my newsreader [[Forte Agent]],
>> it was formatted as an icon of my default web browser.  
>> Like Sylvia says, I ignored it and went on to the next post.
> 
> Forte Agent is simpler than Mozilla Thunderbird,
> but it doesn't let you assign CSS rules to its 
> user interface and/or to the content of emails/posts.
> 
> Unlike Thunderbird, 
> your can't write (JavaScript) extensions for it.
> 
> It doesn't understand the basic rules of emails and posts;
> it can't mix fonts.  You get one font, and that's it.
> No UTF-8 (Unicode), no fixed-width guarantee.
> 
> It's a reflection of your lack of communication skills.
> 
> You don't care about my posts,
> I don't care about yours... problem solved.
> 



-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#558844 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

On 3/03/2016 12:18 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> You (Sylvia Else) told me (Jeff Relf):
>> You do realise that formatted text[?!] in Usenet
>> marks you out as a crank, and many people won't go beyond
>> seeing that the text is formatted before closing the posting?
>
> The HMTL markup I post is just:
>
>     <h2><PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'>
>
> It's very, very simple.
> WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML):
>
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language
>
> You might want to look up the word "crank" because
> I don't think you're using it correctly.
>
> No matter, feel free to ignore me, my feelings won't be hurt.
>
I'm not saying you are a crank. I don't read your postings because of 
the formatting so I don't actually have enough information to form a view.

I'm saying that the formatting *marks* you as a crank.

Sylvia.

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#559128 — Re: WikiPedia and CraigsList allow Lightweight Markup Language (LML).

When in London, drive on the left.

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