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  Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 16:17 -0600
    Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-22 23:39 +0100
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:27 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:09 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 23:36 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:43 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:50 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:57 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 05:24 -0500
              Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:31 +0100
                Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 07:00 -0500
                  Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:11 +0100
                    Re: Where Time Is It? dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 04:24 -0800
              Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-25 12:19 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:21 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:16 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-23 03:50 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:05 +0100
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:54 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:14 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:25 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:17 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-24 15:48 +0000
          Re: Where Time Is It? wugi <brol@brol.be> - 2015-12-24 22:33 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:50 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-27 19:05 +0000
              Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:50 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-27 20:54 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 12:32 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 22:48 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:51 +0100
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-23 19:24 +1100
    Re: Where Time Is It? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:36 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:23 -0800

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#540981

Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> In other words,
> if you cannot
> observe or test
> a 4th dimension...

You can.
Read any introduction to Special Relativity.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#540983

Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> 
> Now,
> why do others
> say
> Time
> is the 4th dimension...
> i have no idea.
> 
> It's insanity.

Imagine for now our world as a plane,
and time as the z axis.

Imagine our passing time like this plane flying
upward along the time axis.

This was our experience with space and time until SR.

But than it was realized that if you are moving
wrt some other objects, you and them do not live
at the same space plane anymore,
but your planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis.

This causes relativity of simultaneity,
time dilation and length contraction.

The space and the time are not independent anymore,
but mixed together, determining each other
in space-time,
where time is recalculated to length by c factor
as another dimension.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#541000

Użytkownik "Poutnik"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):

>
>
> Now,
> why do others
> say
> Time
> is the 4th dimension...
> i have no idea.
>
> It's insanity.

|Imagine for now our world as a plane,
|and time as the z axis.

And imagine a Jedi knight waving his
lightsaber...
Do you feel The Force?

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#541274

Poutnik wrote:

> Imagine for now our world as a plane, and time as the z axis.
> Imagine our passing time like this plane flying upward along the time
> axis. This was our experience with space and time until SR.
> But than it was realized that if you are moving wrt some other objects,
> you and them do not live at the same space plane anymore, but your
> planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis. This causes relativity of
> simultaneity, time dilation and length contraction.
> 
> The space and the time are not independent anymore, but mixed together,
> determining each other in space-time,
> where time is recalculated to length by c factor as another dimension.

What do you mean by "mixed"? You can't mix such thing. How would mix them 
anyway. 1mm space then 1mm time consequently? This is the stupidest 
treatise I ever heard.

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#541345

Waye Kitchens schreef op 24/12/2015 om 16:48:
> Poutnik wrote:
>
>> Imagine for now our world as a plane, and time as the z axis.
>> Imagine our passing time like this plane flying upward along the time
>> axis. This was our experience with space and time until SR.
>> But than it was realized that if you are moving wrt some other objects,
>> you and them do not live at the same space plane anymore, but your
>> planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis. This causes relativity of
>> simultaneity, time dilation and length contraction.
>>
>> The space and the time are not independent anymore, but mixed together,
>> determining each other in space-time,
>> where time is recalculated to length by c factor as another dimension.
>
> What do you mean by "mixed"? You can't mix such thing. How would mix them
> anyway. 1mm space then 1mm time consequently? This is the stupidest
> treatise I ever heard.

Ready for a Nobel, for finally disproving SR?
Learn about coordinate systems.
Learn about the Galilean transform, then the Lorentz transform.
Learn to distinguish between
t' = t ("absolute time") and
t' = ax + bt (own time equals another's time and space "mingled")

-- 
guido 'wugi'

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#541794

Dne 24/12/2015 v 16:48 Waye Kitchens napsal(a):
> Poutnik wrote:
> 
>> Imagine for now our world as a plane, and time as the z axis.
>> Imagine our passing time like this plane flying upward along the time
>> axis. This was our experience with space and time until SR.
>> But than it was realized that if you are moving wrt some other objects,
>> you and them do not live at the same space plane anymore, but your
>> planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis. This causes relativity of
>> simultaneity, time dilation and length contraction.
>>
>> The space and the time are not independent anymore, but mixed together,
>> determining each other in space-time,
>> where time is recalculated to length by c factor as another dimension.
> 
> What do you mean by "mixed"? You can't mix such thing. How would mix them 
> anyway. 1mm space then 1mm time consequently? This is the stupidest 
> treatise I ever heard.

Everything looks like nonsense
for those who do not understand.

2 mutually moving observers do not have
the same space scaling nor time scaling,
as people were used to have in 19th century.

For the rest, do not be lazy
and study some introduction to SR.

Recommended is this one
http://www.amazon.com/Spacetime-Physics-Edwin-F-Taylor/dp/0716723271


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#541818

Poutnik wrote:

>> What do you mean by "mixed"? You can't mix such thing. How would mix
>> them anyway. 1mm space then 1mm time consequently? This is the
>> stupidest treatise I ever heard.
> 
> Everything looks like nonsense for those who do not understand.
> 2 mutually moving observers do not have the same space scaling nor time
> scaling, as people were used to have in 19th century.
> For the rest, do not be lazy and study some introduction to SR.

Potink, now that you have capitalism, how is that compared with the 
communism and socialism you had before? Does your government love you now, 
more than the communists loved everybody before? Honestly I just want to 
know and hear directly from the guy in the field.

And btw, forget that study in SR. All study is been done already, by 
others before me and you.

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#541841

Dne 27/12/2015 v 20:05 Waye Kitchens napsal(a):
> Poutnik wrote:
>>
>> Everything looks like nonsense for those who do not understand.
>> 2 mutually moving observers do not have the same space scaling nor time
>> scaling, as people were used to have in 19th century.
>> For the rest, do not be lazy and study some introduction to SR.
> 
> Potink, 

First, start with learning to write the nick properly.
> 
> And btw, forget that study in SR. All study is been done already, by 
> others before me and you.
> 
Funny, It is like saying you will not learn arithmetic,
as others learned it before you.

It is about you to know, not about others.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#541827

Użytkownik "Poutnik"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
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|Everything looks like nonsense
|for those who do not understand.

Does it really? Does genetics looks like a nonsense
for you, or maybe you understand it?
Have you heard about "duck test", poor idiot?

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#541321

Poutnik wrote:
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> 
> >
> >
> > Now,
> > why do others
> > say
> > Time
> > is the 4th dimension...
> > i have no idea.
> >
> > It's insanity.
> 
> Imagine for now our world as a plane,
> and time as the z axis.
> 
> Imagine our passing time like this plane flying
> upward along the time axis.
> 
> This was our experience with space and time until SR.
> 
> But than it was realized that if you are moving
> wrt some other objects, you and them do not live
> at the same space plane anymore,
> but your planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis.
> 
> This causes relativity of simultaneity,
> time dilation and length contraction.
> 
> The space and the time are not independent anymore,
> but mixed together, determining each other
> in space-time,
> where time is recalculated to length by c factor
> as another dimension.
> 
> --
> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> 
> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.


I'm not interested in mathematical dimensional theories.

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#541445

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Poutnik wrote:
> >
> > Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now,
> > > why do others
> > > say
> > > Time
> > > is the 4th dimension...
> > > i have no idea.
> > >
> > > It's insanity.
> >
> > Imagine for now our world as a plane,
> > and time as the z axis.
> >
> > Imagine our passing time like this plane flying
> > upward along the time axis.
> >
> > This was our experience with space and time until SR.
> >
> > But than it was realized that if you are moving
> > wrt some other objects, you and them do not live
> > at the same space plane anymore,
> > but your planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis.
> >
> > This causes relativity of simultaneity,
> > time dilation and length contraction.
> >
> > The space and the time are not independent anymore,
> > but mixed together, determining each other
> > in space-time,
> > where time is recalculated to length by c factor
> > as another dimension.
> >
> > --
> > Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> >
> > Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
> 
> I'm not interested in mathematical dimensional theories.


Let me put it this way...

If a 4th dimension in space existed, you would have to throw
out the idea of a inverse-square law out the window...

since a square has only has two dimensions...

you would need to change the law into..
an inverse-cube law.

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#541795

Dne 24/12/2015 v 21:32 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> 
> I'm not interested in mathematical dimensional theories.
> 

Rather, in physics.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#540990

On 23/12/2015 9:08 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>

Such claims are made by people who think knowing the words implies 
understanding.

Sylvia.

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#541132

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 2:08:09 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> 
> 
> Time exist
> in the 3rd dimension..
> not some imaginary
> 4th, 5th, etc.
> 
> There is no 4th dimension.
> 
> It's not Science...it's science fiction.

At the fringe of the universe TIME and SPACE merge.TreBert

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#541671

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 2:08:09 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> 
> 
> Time exist
> in the 3rd dimension..
> not some imaginary
> 4th, 5th, etc.
> 
> There is no 4th dimension.
> 
> It's not Science...it's science fiction.

Mirror is flat but how many dimensions does it have.? Inside a sphere are you being pulled to its surface or to its middle?The bubble is not moving in any direction but is spinning at 3600MPH and is 5 miles around.TreBert

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