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There Is No Edge To The Universe

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First post2015-12-08 10:23 -0800
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  There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 10:23 -0800
    There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:51 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 13:04 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:17 +0000
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 17:54 -0500
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:57 +0000
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-08 19:15 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:27 -0600
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 07:20 +0100
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:56 -0600
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-09 15:11 +0000
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:41 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:48 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 04:50 -0800
                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 14:08 -0500
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:51 +0000
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:54 -0600
                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:00 +0000
                        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:35 -0600
                          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 18:52 +0000
                            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 13:01 -0600
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 22:15 +0100
                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:35 -0600
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 21:55 +0000
                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:59 -0600
                                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 22:13 +0000
                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 20:35 -0600
                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 15:33 +0000
                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 01:20 -0500
                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-10 08:37 +0100
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 16:07 -0600
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:22 -0800
                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:13 -0600
                                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 19:47 -0800
                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:51 -0600
                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 22:06 -0800
                                        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 00:04 -0800
                                          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:32 -0600
                                          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:29 -0800
                                            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 22:02 -0800
                                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-11 07:48 +0100
                                            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 13:54 -0800
                                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:55 -0600
                                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 07:54 +0100
                                                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 09:16 -0600
                                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 19:47 +0100
                                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2015-12-13 09:06 +0100
                                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 07:01 -0500
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:53 -0800
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:26 -0600
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:40 -0600
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:44 +0000
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:52 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:27 +0000
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:37 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 18:01 -0500
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-09 11:38 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:13 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:30 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:26 -0800
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 12:56 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 17:42 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-09 06:42 -0500
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-11 22:39 -0600
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 19:46 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 22:50 -0800
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 09:09 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:07 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:46 -0800
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 00:01 -0800
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 08:44 -0600
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 05:53 -0800
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:59 -0600
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 22:44 -0800
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 08:38 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 16:07 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 18:45 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:00 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:13 -0800
                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 18:30 -0600
                        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 17:45 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:47 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:40 +0000
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 12:26 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 18:03 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 09:52 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 16:01 +0000
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2015-12-10 12:03 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-10 13:11 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 15:38 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-11 14:04 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 10:59 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:16 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:27 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 17:06 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:58 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 12:16 -0800
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:05 -0500
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 04:10 -0800
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 12:55 -0800
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 15:06 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 13:58 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:25 -0500
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:23 -0500
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 20:28 -0500
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:24 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:27 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 11:32 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 10:41 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 12:43 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:11 -0800
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:28 -0800
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 22:58 -0800

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#538585

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-10 22:02 -0800
Message-ID<566A66FF.3DF9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#538482
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 10:05:48 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/9/15 9:47 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It the was never hot.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Analysis of the CMB says otherwise.
> > > > >
> > > > >  > The existence of the CMB radiation was first predicted by Ralph
> > > > >  > Alpherin 1948 in connection with his research on Big Bang
> > > > >  > Nucleosynthesis undertaken together with Robert Herman and George
> > > > >  > Gamow. It was first observed inadvertently in 1965 by Arno Penzias
> > > > >  > and Robert Wilson at the Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill,
> > > > >  > New Jersey. The radiation was acting as a source of excess noise in a
> > > > >  > radio receiver they were building. Coincidentally, researchers at
> > > > >  > nearby Princeton University, led by Robert Dicke and including Dave
> > > > >  > Wilkinson of the WMAP science team, were devising an experiment to
> > > > >  > find the CMB. When they heard about the Bell Labs result they
> > > > >  > immediately realized that the CMB had been found. The result was a
> > > > >  > pair of papers in the Astrophysical Journal (vol. 142 of 1965): one
> > > > >  > by Penzias and Wilson detailing the observations, and one by Dicke,
> > > > >  > Peebles, Roll, and Wilkinson giving the cosmological interpretation.
> > > > >  > Penzias and Wilson shared the 1978 Nobel prize in physics for their
> > > > >  > discovery.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > doesn't say nuthin about hot...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i seen the cmb photos...everyone has....doesn't look hot to me. looks
> > > > like cold space.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > please don't come back here and say the cmb photo is after it cooled
> > > > down..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It the was never hot!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > space is cold. it was always be cold.
> > >
> > > Ya know, rather than just guessing, you could look this stuff up for yourself, and not seem like such a complete idiot, over and over again...
> >
> > my method is How new laws are discovered, not by..."looking it up".
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.space.com/20330-cosmic-microwave-background-explained-infographic.html
> > >
> > > "The CMB was created at a time in cosmic history called the Recombination Era. The universe had cooled to a temperature of about 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit (2,700 degrees Celsius), cool enough for electrons and protons to "recombine" into hydrogen atoms. Photons were released, and today this radiation is called the CMB."
> > >
> > > Although it is cool now, this wasn't always the case for the CMB.
> >
> > It is, and was always cool....even in the cmb case.
> >
> > If it was hot, we wouldn't have a universe today.
> >
> > As I mentioned before...the big bang was an explosion of MORE space...cool space..
> >
> > there was no heat in the explosion of more space..
> 
> i'm not even sure there was an ...explosion.



...and another thing..

this business about...singularity.


According to my..picture, the universe
didn't started out in a singularity.

or a very small dot..singularity.

I would say it was the size of
our galaxy....but certaintly not
a singularity.

In other words, the whole universe today fitted
in the size of out milky way...

then there was...the big bang.

But, certaintly not a singularity.


You people got that all wrong.

But I have a feeling where you get all
your inaccurate information....you must have...'looked it up'.


Is that what you girls call Science today, looking it up on the Internet????

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#538588

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-12-11 07:48 +0100
Message-ID<dcv9uuFs252U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#538585
Am 11.12.2015 07:02, schrieb The Starmaker:

>
> ...and another thing..
>
> this business about...singularity.
>
>
> According to my..picture, the universe
> didn't started out in a singularity.
>
> or a very small dot..singularity.
>
> I would say it was the size of
> our galaxy....but certaintly not
> a singularity.
>
> In other words, the whole universe today fitted
> in the size of out milky way...
>
> then there was...the big bang.
>
> But, certaintly not a singularity.
>
>
> You people got that all wrong.


I have the impression, that physics got stuck in a dead-end road and 
refuses to return.

This is because physics is also a business. Science is not just 'pure 
thinking', but about (well-paid) jobs and about a lot of public attention.

Only problem: for one of these well paid jobs there are a hundred 
applicants. This would make students think, it would be wise to run with 
the herd.

This will not bring real progress, since the herd is not really 
revolutionary.

So: where do the good ideas come from?

Usually the mainstream perpetuates, what is already known. This can 
eventually lead to better understanding, but only, if the mainstream is 
on the right track.

But what happens, if the heard is entering a dead end? Actually nothing, 
since the way back is blocked, hence the sheeple will admire the wall 
('the final frontier').

The way to that point is than modelled with a mathematical formula, but 
it contains division by zero at that 'wall'. So a singularity is needed, 
to renormalise infinities.


TH

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#538661

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-11 13:54 -0800
Message-ID<566B4633.916@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#538482
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 10:05:48 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/9/15 9:47 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It the was never hot.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Analysis of the CMB says otherwise.
> > > > >
> > > > >  > The existence of the CMB radiation was first predicted by Ralph
> > > > >  > Alpherin 1948 in connection with his research on Big Bang
> > > > >  > Nucleosynthesis undertaken together with Robert Herman and George
> > > > >  > Gamow. It was first observed inadvertently in 1965 by Arno Penzias
> > > > >  > and Robert Wilson at the Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill,
> > > > >  > New Jersey. The radiation was acting as a source of excess noise in a
> > > > >  > radio receiver they were building. Coincidentally, researchers at
> > > > >  > nearby Princeton University, led by Robert Dicke and including Dave
> > > > >  > Wilkinson of the WMAP science team, were devising an experiment to
> > > > >  > find the CMB. When they heard about the Bell Labs result they
> > > > >  > immediately realized that the CMB had been found. The result was a
> > > > >  > pair of papers in the Astrophysical Journal (vol. 142 of 1965): one
> > > > >  > by Penzias and Wilson detailing the observations, and one by Dicke,
> > > > >  > Peebles, Roll, and Wilkinson giving the cosmological interpretation.
> > > > >  > Penzias and Wilson shared the 1978 Nobel prize in physics for their
> > > > >  > discovery.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > doesn't say nuthin about hot...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i seen the cmb photos...everyone has....doesn't look hot to me. looks
> > > > like cold space.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > please don't come back here and say the cmb photo is after it cooled
> > > > down..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It the was never hot!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > space is cold. it was always be cold.
> > >
> > > Ya know, rather than just guessing, you could look this stuff up for yourself, and not seem like such a complete idiot, over and over again...
> >
> > my method is How new laws are discovered, not by..."looking it up".
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.space.com/20330-cosmic-microwave-background-explained-infographic.html
> > >
> > > "The CMB was created at a time in cosmic history called the Recombination Era. The universe had cooled to a temperature of about 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit (2,700 degrees Celsius), cool enough for electrons and protons to "recombine" into hydrogen atoms. Photons were released, and today this radiation is called the CMB."
> > >
> > > Although it is cool now, this wasn't always the case for the CMB.
> >
> > It is, and was always cool....even in the cmb case.
> >
> > If it was hot, we wouldn't have a universe today.
> >
> > As I mentioned before...the big bang was an explosion of MORE space...cool space..
> >
> > there was no heat in the explosion of more space..
> 
> i'm not even sure there was an ...explosion.




This CMB picutre was taken when all the heat magically disapperaed. 




maybe it's hiding at the edge of the universe.


If you put on God's eyes...you can see the edge and the center of the
universe.

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#538733

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-11 22:55 -0600
Message-ID<K6ydnaOGP5lBNfbLnZ2dnUU7-aGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#538661
On 12/11/15 3:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> This CMB picutre was taken when all the heat magically disapperaed.


   The universe is expanding and cooling. The CMB is the light of
   decoupling at about 380,000 years after the BB cooled from say
   3000 K to 2.7 K

> The existence of the CMB radiation was first predicted by Ralph
> Alpherin 1948 in connection with his research on Big Bang
> Nucleosynthesis undertaken together with Robert Herman and George
> Gamow. It was first observed inadvertently in 1965 by Arno Penzias
> and Robert Wilson at the Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill,
> New Jersey. The radiation was acting as a source of excess noise in a
> radio receiver they were building. Coincidentally, researchers at
> nearby Princeton University, led by Robert Dicke and including Dave
> Wilkinson of the WMAP science team, were devising an experiment to
> find the CMB. When they heard about the Bell Labs result they
> immediately realized that the CMB had been found. The result was a
> pair of papers in the Astrophysical Journal (vol. 142 of 1965): one
> by Penzias and Wilson detailing the observations, and one by Dicke,
> Peebles, Roll, and Wilkinson giving the cosmological interpretation.
> Penzias and Wilson shared the 1978 Nobel prize in physics for their
> discovery.
>
> Uniform color oval representing the temperature variation across the
> sky of the CMB. Today, the CMB radiation is very cold, only 2.725°
> above absolute zero, thus this radiation shines primarily in the
> microwave portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, and is invisible
> to the naked eye. However, it fills the universe and can be detected
> everywhere we look. In fact, if we could see microwaves, the entire
> sky would glow with a brightness that was astonishingly uniform in
> every direction. The picture at left shows a false color depiction of
> the temperature (brightness) of the CMB over the full sky (projected
> onto an oval, similar to a map of the Earth). The temperature is
> uniform to better than one part in a thousand! This uniformity is one
> compelling reason to interpret the radiation as remnant heat from the
> Big Bang; it would be very difficult to imagine a local source of
> radiation that was this uniform. In fact, many scientists have tried
> to devise alternative explanations for the source of this radiation,
> but none have succeeded.



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#538737

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-12-12 07:54 +0100
Message-ID<dd1uljFhjpkU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#538733
Am 12.12.2015 05:55, schrieb Sam Wormley:


>> This CMB picutre was taken when all the heat magically disapperaed.
>
>
> The universe is expanding and cooling. The CMB is the light of
> decoupling at about 380,000 years after the BB cooled from say
> 3000 K to 2.7 K


This is the standard model of cosmology - and most likely wrong.

Alternative explanation: CMBR is generated in real time and close 
proximity to our solar system.

Reason:

the CMBR 'sky map' contains actually, what is not expected in the 
remainders of the big bang.

Especially unexpected is the Earth orbit and our home galaxy.


TH

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#538749

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-12 09:16 -0600
Message-ID<P9ydnXHhHdbDp_HLnZ2dnUU7-SmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#538737
On 12/12/15 12:54 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> CMBR is generated in real time and close proximity to our solar system.


   Review | Cosmic microwave background
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

> The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is the thermal radiation left
> over from the time of recombination in Big Bang cosmology. In older
> literature, the CMB is also variously known as cosmic microwave
> background radiation (CMBR) or "relic radiation." The CMB is a cosmic
> background radiation that is fundamental to observational cosmology
> because it is the oldest light in the universe, dating to the epoch
> of recombination. With a traditional optical telescope, the space
> between stars and galaxies (the background) is completely dark.
> However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope shows a faint
> background glow, almost exactly the same in all directions, that is
> not associated with any star, galaxy, or other object. This glow is
> strongest in the microwave region of the radio spectrum. The
> accidental discovery of CMB in 1964 by American radio astronomers
> Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson[1][2] was the culmination of work
> initiated in the 1940s, and earned the discoverers the 1978 Nobel
> Prize.
>
> The CMB is a snapshot of the oldest light in our Universe, imprinted
> on the sky when the Universe was just 380,000 years old. It shows
> tiny temperature fluctuations that correspond to regions of slightly
> different densities, representing the seeds of all future structure:
> the stars and galaxies of today.[3]

> The CMB is well explained as radiation left over from an early stage
> in the development of the universe, and its discovery is considered a
> landmark test of the Big Bang model of the universe. When the
> universe was young, before the formation of stars and planets, it was
> denser, much hotter, and filled with a uniform glow from a white-hot
> fog of hydrogen plasma. As the universe expanded, both the plasma and
> the radiation filling it grew cooler. When the universe cooled
> enough, protons and electrons combined to form neutral atoms. These
> atoms could no longer absorb the thermal radiation, and so the
> universe became transparent instead of being an opaque fog.[4]
> Cosmologists refer to the time period when neutral atoms first formed
> as the recombination epoch, and the event shortly afterwards when
> photons started to travel freely through space rather than constantly
> being scattered by electrons and protons in plasma is referred to as
> photon decoupling. The photons that existed at the time of photon
> decoupling have been propagating ever since, though growing fainter
> and less energetic, since the expansion of space causes their
> wavelength to increase over time (and wavelength is inversely
> proportional to energy according to Planck's relation). This is the
> source of the alternative term relic radiation. The surface of last
> scattering refers to the set of points in space at the right distance
> from us so that we are now receiving photons originally emitted from
> those points at the time of photon decoupling.
>
> Precise measurements of the CMB are critical to cosmology, since any
> proposed model of the universe must explain this radiation. The CMB
> has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.72548±0.00057
> K.[5] The spectral radiance dEν/dν peaks at 160.2 GHz, in the
> microwave range of frequencies. (Alternatively if spectral radiance
> is defined as dEλ/dλ then the peak wavelength is 1.871 mm.) The glow
> is very nearly uniform in all directions, but the tiny residual
> variations show a very specific pattern, the same as that expected of
> a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the
> current size of the universe. In particular, the spectral radiance at
> different angles of observation in the sky contains small
> anisotropies, or irregularities, which vary with the size of the
> region examined. They have been measured in detail, and match what
> would be expected if small thermal variations, generated by quantum
> fluctuations of matter in a very tiny space, had expanded to the size
> of the observable universe we see today. This is a very active field
> of study, with scientists seeking both better data (for example, the
> Planck spacecraft) and better interpretations of the initial
> conditions of expansion. Although many different processes might
> produce the general form of a black body spectrum, no model other
> than the Big Bang has yet explained the fluctuations. As a result,
> most cosmologists consider the Big Bang model of the universe to be
> the best explanation for the CMB.
>
> The high degree of uniformity throughout the observable universe and
> its faint but measured anisotropy lend strong support for the Big
> Bang model in general and the ΛCDM ("Lambda Cold Dark Matter") model
> in particular. Moreover, the fluctuations are coherent on angular
> scales that are larger than the apparent cosmological horizon at
> recombination. Either such coherence is acausally fine-tuned, or
> cosmic inflation occurred.[6][7]



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#538757

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-12-12 19:47 +0100
Message-ID<dd38eqFrsblU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#538749
Am 12.12.2015 16:16, schrieb Sam Wormley:

>> CMBR is generated in real time and close proximity to our solar system.
>
>
> Review | Cosmic microwave background
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
>
>> The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is the thermal radiation left
>> over from the time of recombination in Big Bang cosmology.

I don't think so.

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/projects/mpvectors/

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/projects/mpvectors/images/paper3/map_teg_2.png

The solid line is the ecliptic plain. And this ecliptic does not belong 
to the big-bang.

Also our home galaxy is found in the CMBR map, (be removed for unknown 
reasons):

https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Sept05/Gawiser2/Figures/fig3.jpg


So: where is actually the big-bang in that picture?

I personally see the milky-way and our Earth orbit, but no big-bang.


TH

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#538855

FromHelmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat>
Date2015-12-13 09:06 +0100
Message-ID<km9q6b1o8umsr6bcirijkpitbvq2h6120n@4ax.com>
In reply to#538749
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 09:16:46 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 12/12/15 12:54 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> CMBR is generated in real time and close proximity to our solar system.
>
>
>   Review | Cosmic microwave background
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
>
>> The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is the thermal radiation left
>> over from the time of recombination in Big Bang cosmology. In older
>> literature, the CMB is also variously known as cosmic microwave
>> background radiation (CMBR) or "relic radiation." The CMB is a cosmic
>> background radiation that is fundamental to observational cosmology
>> because it is the oldest light in the universe, dating to the epoch
>> of recombination. With a traditional optical telescope, the space
>> between stars and galaxies (the background) is completely dark.
>> However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope shows a faint
>> background glow, almost exactly the same in all directions, that is
>> not associated with any star, galaxy, or other object. This glow is
>> strongest in the microwave region of the radio spectrum. The
>> accidental discovery of CMB in 1964 by American radio astronomers
>> Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson[1][2] was the culmination of work
>> initiated in the 1940s, and earned the discoverers the 1978 Nobel
>> Prize.
>>
>> The CMB is a snapshot of the oldest light in our Universe, imprinted
>> on the sky when the Universe was just 380,000 years old. It shows
>> tiny temperature fluctuations that correspond to regions of slightly
>> different densities, representing the seeds of all future structure:
>> the stars and galaxies of today.[3]
>
>> The CMB is well explained as radiation left over from an early stage
>> in the development of the universe, and its discovery is considered a
>> landmark test of the Big Bang model of the universe. When the
>> universe was young, before the formation of stars and planets, it was
>> denser, much hotter, and filled with a uniform glow from a white-hot
>> fog of hydrogen plasma. As the universe expanded, both the plasma and
>> the radiation filling it grew cooler. When the universe cooled
>> enough, protons and electrons combined to form neutral atoms. These
>> atoms could no longer absorb the thermal radiation, and so the
>> universe became transparent instead of being an opaque fog.[4]
>> Cosmologists refer to the time period when neutral atoms first formed
>> as the recombination epoch, and the event shortly afterwards when
>> photons started to travel freely through space rather than constantly
>> being scattered by electrons and protons in plasma is referred to as
>> photon decoupling. The photons that existed at the time of photon
>> decoupling have been propagating ever since, though growing fainter
>> and less energetic, since the expansion of space causes their
>> wavelength to increase over time (and wavelength is inversely
>> proportional to energy according to Planck's relation). This is the
>> source of the alternative term relic radiation. The surface of last
>> scattering refers to the set of points in space at the right distance
>> from us so that we are now receiving photons originally emitted from
>> those points at the time of photon decoupling.
>>
>> Precise measurements of the CMB are critical to cosmology, since any
>> proposed model of the universe must explain this radiation. The CMB
>> has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.72548±0.00057
>> K.[5] The spectral radiance dE?/d? peaks at 160.2 GHz, in the
>> microwave range of frequencies. (Alternatively if spectral radiance
>> is defined as dE?/d? then the peak wavelength is 1.871 mm.) The glow
>> is very nearly uniform in all directions, but the tiny residual
>> variations show a very specific pattern, the same as that expected of
>> a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the
>> current size of the universe. In particular, the spectral radiance at
>> different angles of observation in the sky contains small
>> anisotropies, or irregularities, which vary with the size of the
>> region examined. They have been measured in detail, and match what
>> would be expected if small thermal variations, generated by quantum
>> fluctuations of matter in a very tiny space, had expanded to the size
>> of the observable universe we see today. This is a very active field
>> of study, with scientists seeking both better data (for example, the
>> Planck spacecraft) and better interpretations of the initial
>> conditions of expansion. Although many different processes might
>> produce the general form of a black body spectrum, no model other
>> than the Big Bang has yet explained the fluctuations. As a result,
>> most cosmologists consider the Big Bang model of the universe to be
>> the best explanation for the CMB.
>>
>> The high degree of uniformity throughout the observable universe and
>> its faint but measured anisotropy lend strong support for the Big
>> Bang model in general and the ?CDM ("Lambda Cold Dark Matter") model
>> in particular. Moreover, the fluctuations are coherent on angular
>> scales that are larger than the apparent cosmological horizon at
>> recombination. Either such coherence is acausally fine-tuned, or
>> cosmic inflation occurred.[6][7]


There is no edge to FLAT EARTH!
The edge always moves away from you.


w.

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#538873

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-13 07:01 -0500
Message-ID<p6dby.269550$MN.136378@fx12.iad>
In reply to#538855
On 12/13/2015 03:06 AM, Helmut Wabnig wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 09:16:46 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/15 12:54 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> CMBR is generated in real time and close proximity to our solar system.
>>
>>
>>    Review | Cosmic microwave background
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
>>
>>> The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is the thermal radiation left
>>> over from the time of recombination in Big Bang cosmology. In older
>>> literature, the CMB is also variously known as cosmic microwave
>>> background radiation (CMBR) or "relic radiation." The CMB is a cosmic
>>> background radiation that is fundamental to observational cosmology
>>> because it is the oldest light in the universe, dating to the epoch
>>> of recombination. With a traditional optical telescope, the space
>>> between stars and galaxies (the background) is completely dark.
>>> However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope shows a faint
>>> background glow, almost exactly the same in all directions, that is
>>> not associated with any star, galaxy, or other object. This glow is
>>> strongest in the microwave region of the radio spectrum. The
>>> accidental discovery of CMB in 1964 by American radio astronomers
>>> Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson[1][2] was the culmination of work
>>> initiated in the 1940s, and earned the discoverers the 1978 Nobel
>>> Prize.
>>>
>>> The CMB is a snapshot of the oldest light in our Universe, imprinted
>>> on the sky when the Universe was just 380,000 years old. It shows
>>> tiny temperature fluctuations that correspond to regions of slightly
>>> different densities, representing the seeds of all future structure:
>>> the stars and galaxies of today.[3]
>>
>>> The CMB is well explained as radiation left over from an early stage
>>> in the development of the universe, and its discovery is considered a
>>> landmark test of the Big Bang model of the universe. When the
>>> universe was young, before the formation of stars and planets, it was
>>> denser, much hotter, and filled with a uniform glow from a white-hot
>>> fog of hydrogen plasma. As the universe expanded, both the plasma and
>>> the radiation filling it grew cooler. When the universe cooled
>>> enough, protons and electrons combined to form neutral atoms. These
>>> atoms could no longer absorb the thermal radiation, and so the
>>> universe became transparent instead of being an opaque fog.[4]
>>> Cosmologists refer to the time period when neutral atoms first formed
>>> as the recombination epoch, and the event shortly afterwards when
>>> photons started to travel freely through space rather than constantly
>>> being scattered by electrons and protons in plasma is referred to as
>>> photon decoupling. The photons that existed at the time of photon
>>> decoupling have been propagating ever since, though growing fainter
>>> and less energetic, since the expansion of space causes their
>>> wavelength to increase over time (and wavelength is inversely
>>> proportional to energy according to Planck's relation). This is the
>>> source of the alternative term relic radiation. The surface of last
>>> scattering refers to the set of points in space at the right distance
>>> from us so that we are now receiving photons originally emitted from
>>> those points at the time of photon decoupling.
>>>
>>> Precise measurements of the CMB are critical to cosmology, since any
>>> proposed model of the universe must explain this radiation. The CMB
>>> has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.72548±0.00057
>>> K.[5] The spectral radiance dE?/d? peaks at 160.2 GHz, in the
>>> microwave range of frequencies. (Alternatively if spectral radiance
>>> is defined as dE?/d? then the peak wavelength is 1.871 mm.) The glow
>>> is very nearly uniform in all directions, but the tiny residual
>>> variations show a very specific pattern, the same as that expected of
>>> a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the
>>> current size of the universe. In particular, the spectral radiance at
>>> different angles of observation in the sky contains small
>>> anisotropies, or irregularities, which vary with the size of the
>>> region examined. They have been measured in detail, and match what
>>> would be expected if small thermal variations, generated by quantum
>>> fluctuations of matter in a very tiny space, had expanded to the size
>>> of the observable universe we see today. This is a very active field
>>> of study, with scientists seeking both better data (for example, the
>>> Planck spacecraft) and better interpretations of the initial
>>> conditions of expansion. Although many different processes might
>>> produce the general form of a black body spectrum, no model other
>>> than the Big Bang has yet explained the fluctuations. As a result,
>>> most cosmologists consider the Big Bang model of the universe to be
>>> the best explanation for the CMB.
>>>
>>> The high degree of uniformity throughout the observable universe and
>>> its faint but measured anisotropy lend strong support for the Big
>>> Bang model in general and the ?CDM ("Lambda Cold Dark Matter") model
>>> in particular. Moreover, the fluctuations are coherent on angular
>>> scales that are larger than the apparent cosmological horizon at
>>> recombination. Either such coherence is acausally fine-tuned, or
>>> cosmic inflation occurred.[6][7]
>
>
> There is no edge to FLAT EARTH!
> The edge always moves away from you.

You are wrong Helmut!

The flat Earth HAS an edge, obviously!

The answer is the edge of the Earth is EVERYWHERE!

It's simple physics thinking!

Just BELIEVE and repeat, Helmut. This is the "thinking" of modern physics!

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#538218

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-09 08:53 -0800
Message-ID<63d7d66e-85c4-4ced-bdd9-07a273a5ade8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#538212
On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> > Sam Wormley
> >
> >> On 12/8/15 4:57 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> >>> I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in
> >>> Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth.
> >>
> >>     There is no edge as is shown by these first two links:
> >>
> >>     No Center
> >>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
> >>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
> >
> > You are insignificant. Trying to change the subject. You are not familiar
> > in Math Gymnastics as I can see.
> >
>    Human senses are easily fooled.

You wish, Sam. How many human senses do you have Sam Worm Liar?

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#538130

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-08 21:26 -0600
Message-ID<AYGdne66PrjHAvrLnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#538078
On 12/8/15 4:17 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> If the light seen coming from the edge of the Universe, is the old light
> generated at the time of Big Bang, then that light must be travelling
> outside this Universe, at least as far as it is from here to that edge.
> Just toward the opposite direction. This is remarkably, but exceedingly
> and surpassingly.


   No Center
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html




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#538208

FromPlexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org>
Date2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
Message-ID<n49ldh$4ni$2@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#538130
Sam Wormley

> On 12/8/15 4:17 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
>> If the light seen coming from the edge of the Universe, is the old
>> light generated at the time of Big Bang, then that light must be
>> travelling outside this Universe, at least as far as it is from here to
>> that edge. Just toward the opposite direction. This is remarkably, but
>> exceedingly and surpassingly.
> 
> 
>    No Center
>      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
>      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

Does not matter, prafessar. Nobody mentioned any center any particular
place. However the selfcontainess of this Universe is obvious (see the
theory of Big Bang). Hence a Normal vector oriented outside must be
present. And in fact there are proofs and indicators that it is.

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#538211

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-09 10:40 -0600
Message-ID<WOWdnav325cXxPXLnZ2dnUU7-IWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#538208
On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> Hence a Normal vector oriented outside must be
> present.


   There ain't no "outside", Bubba.


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#538213

FromPlexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org>
Date2015-12-09 16:44 +0000
Message-ID<n49lon$4ni$5@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#538211
Sam Wormley

> On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
>> Hence a Normal vector oriented outside must be present.
> 
>    There ain't no "outside", Bubba.

Since you are snipping the juicy stuff, you must be fucking stupid. And 
apparently you really are, even without snipping stuff considered to be 
juicy. You are weak in Tensors and Manifolds. Proceed an upgrade 
immediately.

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#538217

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-09 10:52 -0600
Message-ID<WOWdnaT325fOwfXLnZ2dnUU7-IWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#538213
On 12/9/15 10:44 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> Sam Wormley
>
>> On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
>>> Hence a Normal vector oriented outside must be present.
>>
>>     There ain't no "outside", Bubba.
>
> Since you are snipping the juicy stuff, you must be fucking stupid. And
> apparently you really are, even without snipping stuff considered to be
> juicy. You are weak in Tensors and Manifolds. Proceed an upgrade
> immediately.
>


   <smiling>



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#538225

FromPlexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org>
Date2015-12-09 17:27 +0000
Message-ID<n49oaq$eoj$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#538217
Sam Wormley

> On 12/9/15 10:44 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
>> Sam Wormley
>>
>>> On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
>>>> Hence a Normal vector oriented outside must be present.
>>>
>>>     There ain't no "outside", Bubba.
>>
>> Since you are snipping the juicy stuff, you must be fucking stupid. And
>> apparently you really are, even without snipping stuff considered to be
>> juicy. You are weak in Tensors and Manifolds. Proceed an upgrade
>> immediately.
> 
>    <smiling>

"The normal vector, often simply called the "normal," to a surface is a 
vector which is perpendicular to the surface at a given point. When 
normals are considered on closed surfaces, the inward-pointing normal 
(pointing towards the interior of the surface) and outward-pointing normal 
are usually distinguished."

See also Heat and Diffusion Equation. (ie bacteria growth model, etc)

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#538247

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-09 12:37 -0600
Message-ID<WOWdnd3325d76fXLnZ2dnUU7-IUAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#538225
On 12/9/15 11:27 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> "The normal vector, often simply called the "normal," to a surface...


   What surface?  There is now edge, no surface of the universe.

   To help you visualize, Bubba:
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html



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#538096

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-08 18:01 -0500
Message-ID<wjJ9y.17707$NY1.2476@fx35.iad>
In reply to#538042
On 12/08/2015 02:04 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
>> How many times have you heard that?
>
>
>    It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so,
>    but the consistency between observations and theory that
>    make "no edge" logical and compelling.

Sammy, you are totally ignorant of science. Professors have assured me 
that the more times you hear something repeated the more true is is. For 
example the "consensus" among scientists that man-made CO2 causes global 
warming clearly makes it irrefutable and anyone who tries to say that 
science isn't done by democratic vote is clearly a "Denier".



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#538227

FromDavid Staup <dstaup@charter.net>
Date2015-12-09 11:38 -0600
Message-ID<n49oqd$st8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#538042
On 12/8/2015 1:04 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
>> How many times have you heard that?
>
>
>    It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so,
>    but the consistency between observations and theory that
>    make "no edge" logical and compelling.
>
>
>
So just so we're clear here

where is that consistency in your climate theories?

only idiots will debate other idiots

and more often than not expose their idiocy such as you did here

Hoisted by your own petard.... Karma at its very best

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#538274

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-09 12:13 -0800
Message-ID<56688B4F.E43@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#538227
David Staup wrote:
> 
> On 12/8/2015 1:04 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
> >> How many times have you heard that?
> >
> >
> >    It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so,
> >    but the consistency between observations and theory that
> >    make "no edge" logical and compelling.
> >
> >
> >
> So just so we're clear here
> 
> where is that consistency in your climate theories?
> 
> only idiots will debate other idiots
> 
> and more often than not expose their idiocy such as you did here
> 
> Hoisted by your own petard.... Karma at its very best


"Karma"??? Is that like 'a force' that travels in the air like a boomberang???? Comes alllllll theeee wayyyyyyyy around and hits you on the head, is that right?


I once did a test and observation on "Karma", doesn't work, it's wrong..whatever you think it is, it's wrong, doesn't work. There is no Karma.

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