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| Started by | Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> |
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| First post | 2015-11-11 19:50 -0800 |
| Last post | 2015-11-25 22:57 -0800 |
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The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-11 19:50 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 04:22 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-12 10:05 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 19:10 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 05:52 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 19:13 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 19:38 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-14 01:27 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-14 15:55 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-14 21:28 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-15 10:30 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-15 20:23 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-16 05:42 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-16 19:29 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-17 05:08 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-17 20:22 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 14:16 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-13 16:11 -0600
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 08:43 -0600
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-12 11:06 -0600
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 19:01 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-14 15:52 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-15 01:03 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-18 02:09 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-18 19:39 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-19 00:27 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-19 05:40 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-19 07:50 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-19 18:37 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 11:47 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. "Sam Gordon" <invalid@examplll.com> - 2015-11-19 11:58 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 12:21 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-19 23:35 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 07:22 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-20 09:20 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 17:47 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-20 15:31 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 21:56 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-21 08:18 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 19:02 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-22 09:17 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 19:07 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-23 08:11 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 18:24 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 21:37 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:08 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 23:33 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-25 13:44 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 06:25 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-26 15:19 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 08:51 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-27 14:06 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 20:10 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-15 10:00 -0600
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 10:21 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-15 14:18 -0600
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 20:08 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 19:12 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-26 15:19 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-24 22:35 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 06:08 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-21 14:37 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 18:49 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-22 14:50 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 19:17 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-23 14:13 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 18:32 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-24 13:20 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-24 19:38 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-25 13:43 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 19:25 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-22 11:03 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 19:19 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 11:46 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 20:27 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:58 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 21:04 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-22 19:05 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 00:59 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 18:46 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 06:07 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 04:00 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 18:37 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 20:17 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-19 16:07 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 00:37 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-22 16:28 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 01:10 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-25 14:13 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 23:37 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-29 16:17 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-30 01:22 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-03 15:12 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-04 00:15 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-03 23:34 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-04 05:14 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-05 17:01 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-06 02:37 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-06 00:55 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-06 15:07 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-06 10:15 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-06 18:51 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-07 03:23 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-07 13:46 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-07 19:20 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-07 15:53 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-06 18:44 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-14 15:12 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-14 16:56 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-14 13:13 -0600
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 19:32 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-14 20:47 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 21:36 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-14 22:33 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 00:09 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-14 21:57 -0600
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 05:00 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jürgen Großenbuch <jurgengb@adenauer.org> - 2015-12-15 15:02 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 19:13 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-15 13:06 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 19:31 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-14 22:11 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 03:44 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-14 23:04 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 05:01 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 06:36 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-12 02:43 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-12 19:18 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 00:48 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 06:08 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 03:21 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 19:13 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 14:37 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 20:36 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 15:48 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 21:06 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 19:58 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 01:32 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 20:54 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 03:15 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 19:55 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 01:52 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 22:38 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 06:07 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-14 22:38 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 05:04 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 06:50 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-15 13:06 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 08:53 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 19:52 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 19:48 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 22:12 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-16 03:44 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-13 20:15 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 20:20 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-13 20:37 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 21:06 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-15 02:24 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 20:03 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-26 15:18 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-27 01:32 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-27 14:06 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-12 15:17 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 23:34 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 05:57 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 19:23 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 19:53 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-19 19:26 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-19 19:40 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-20 15:57 -0800
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 00:30 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-20 21:53 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 07:15 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-21 13:46 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 19:57 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-21 15:50 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 22:44 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-21 22:30 -0500
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 05:14 +0000
Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-25 22:57 -0800
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| From | Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 19:50 -0800 |
| Subject | The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. |
| Message-ID | <f8d516e4-c84d-4ea1-a440-6398fedd211c@googlegroups.com> |
The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer available. Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software and most folk have progressed beyond that. Quick Basic can be used to generate the frames for animations. But creating animations is very time consuming and the files can be extremely large. Posting a Qbasic program of only a few thousand bytes can give the equivalent of an animation that would fill up a hard drive, and it will have user input capability. This program performs calculations at 7.6 million steps http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/mercxmp3.html Its purpose should be evident here http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/pio-merc.html ----- Max Keon
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 04:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vogdhc-9dq.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. > > Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and > Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, > which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer > available. > > Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I > obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be > downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." > > I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft > representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use > to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. > > I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. > http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html > > If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of > the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's > nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is > that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software > and most folk have progressed beyond that. I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic to do anything. -- Jim Pennino
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On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >> >> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >> available. >> >> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >> >> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >> >> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >> >> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >> and most folk have progressed beyond that. > > I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic > to do anything. I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! -- dvus
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| Date | 2015-11-12 19:10 +0000 |
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dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>> >>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>> available. >>> >>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>> >>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>> >>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>> >>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >> >> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >> to do anything. > > I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess communications of any kind. If one wants an interpreted language, there is Java, Javascript, PHP, Ruby, Perl, Python, Forth, Lisp, Tcl, and many others. -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2015-11-13 05:52 -0500 |
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On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>> >>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>> available. >>>> >>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>> >>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>> >>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>> >>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>> >>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>> to do anything. >> >> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! > > One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for > anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess > communications of any kind. Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. > If one wants an interpreted language, there is Java, Javascript, PHP, > Ruby, Perl, Python, Forth, Lisp, Tcl, and many others. In my younger days I preferred ML to do serious things but in the interest of full disclosure I must admit to not doing much coding in a long, long time. -- dvus
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dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>> >>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>> available. >>>>> >>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>> >>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>> >>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>> >>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>> >>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>> to do anything. >>> >>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >> >> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >> communications of any kind. > > Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other > languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers > a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious > programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to teach beginning programming? The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very expensive. One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the magnitude and angle. -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2015-11-13 19:38 -0500 |
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On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>> >>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>> available. >>>>>> >>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>> >>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>> >>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>> >>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>> to do anything. >>>> >>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>> >>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>> communications of any kind. >> >> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. > > You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic > Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to > teach beginning programming? Yes, that's kinda what I said above. > The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was > BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very > expensive. Yes, again, that's what I said. > One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations > that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial > with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the > magnitude and angle. It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. -- dvus
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dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>> available. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>> to do anything. >>>>> >>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>> >>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>> communications of any kind. >>> >>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >> >> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >> teach beginning programming? > > Yes, that's kinda what I said above. > >> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >> expensive. > > Yes, again, that's what I said. > >> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >> magnitude and angle. > > It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as > you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2015-11-14 15:55 -0500 |
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On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>>> to do anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>>> >>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>>> communications of any kind. >>>> >>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >>> >>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >>> teach beginning programming? >> >> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. >> >>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >>> expensive. >> >> Yes, again, that's what I said. >> >>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >>> magnitude and angle. >> >> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as >> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. > > I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain interested in anything. -- dvus
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dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>>>> to do anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>>>> >>>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>>>> communications of any kind. >>>>> >>>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >>>> >>>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >>>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >>>> teach beginning programming? >>> >>> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. >>> >>>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >>>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >>>> expensive. >>> >>> Yes, again, that's what I said. >>> >>>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >>>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >>>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >>>> magnitude and angle. >>> >>> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as >>> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. >> >> I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". > > What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids > these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain > interested in anything. Kids these days are also NOT into command lines, so any language where it is easy to display a window or a web page, and there are lots of them. -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2015-11-15 10:30 -0500 |
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On 11/14/2015 4:28 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >> On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>>>>> to do anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>>>>> communications of any kind. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>>>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>>>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>>>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >>>>> >>>>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >>>>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >>>>> teach beginning programming? >>>> >>>> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. >>>> >>>>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >>>>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >>>>> expensive. >>>> >>>> Yes, again, that's what I said. >>>> >>>>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >>>>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >>>>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >>>>> magnitude and angle. >>>> >>>> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as >>>> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. >>> >>> I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". >> >> What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids >> these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain >> interested in anything. > > Kids these days are also NOT into command lines, so any language > where it is easy to display a window or a web page, and there are > lots of them. I'm not aware of any that are as easy as Basic to learn and use almost immediately to hold their interest. -- dvus
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dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > On 11/14/2015 4:28 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>>>>>> to do anything. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>>>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>>>>>> communications of any kind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>>>>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>>>>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>>>>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >>>>>> >>>>>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >>>>>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >>>>>> teach beginning programming? >>>>> >>>>> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. >>>>> >>>>>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >>>>>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >>>>>> expensive. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, again, that's what I said. >>>>> >>>>>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >>>>>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >>>>>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >>>>>> magnitude and angle. >>>>> >>>>> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as >>>>> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. >>>> >>>> I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". >>> >>> What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids >>> these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain >>> interested in anything. >> >> Kids these days are also NOT into command lines, so any language >> where it is easy to display a window or a web page, and there are >> lots of them. > > I'm not aware of any that are as easy as Basic to learn and use almost > immediately to hold their interest. If you limit yourself the the capabilities of BASIC, then almost any language would do. Likely the simplest is command line PHP or Perl if all you want to do is simple calculations, but both have orders of magnitude more capabilities than BASIC. The primary reason BASIC is so easy to learn is that BASIC has very little in the way of capabilities. Once you want to do more, i.e. graphics, web pages, interprocess communications, database access, you have to switch to a more usefull language. Just because a language has advanced features (compared to BASIC) does not mean you have to start off using those features. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-16 05:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <datq9uFbkm2U1@mid.individual.net> |
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On 11/15/2015 3:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >> On 11/14/2015 4:28 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>> On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>>>>>>> to do anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>>>>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>>>>>>> communications of any kind. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>>>>>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>>>>>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>>>>>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >>>>>>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >>>>>>> teach beginning programming? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >>>>>>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, again, that's what I said. >>>>>> >>>>>>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >>>>>>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >>>>>>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >>>>>>> magnitude and angle. >>>>>> >>>>>> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as >>>>>> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. >>>>> >>>>> I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". >>>> >>>> What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids >>>> these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain >>>> interested in anything. >>> >>> Kids these days are also NOT into command lines, so any language >>> where it is easy to display a window or a web page, and there are >>> lots of them. >> >> I'm not aware of any that are as easy as Basic to learn and use almost >> immediately to hold their interest. > > If you limit yourself the the capabilities of BASIC, then almost any > language would do. > > Likely the simplest is command line PHP or Perl if all you want to do > is simple calculations, but both have orders of magnitude more capabilities > than BASIC. > > The primary reason BASIC is so easy to learn is that BASIC has very > little in the way of capabilities. Once you want to do more, i.e. > graphics, web pages, interprocess communications, database access, > you have to switch to a more usefull language. > > Just because a language has advanced features (compared to BASIC) does > not mean you have to start off using those features. I can see that it's not likely I'll ever get you to agree with my opinion regarding the efficacy of using Basic to introduce kids to computers and programming so I'll stop wasting both of our times. I feel that Basic's simplicity and immediacy of results is exactly why it works well for this situation, you do not. Let's leave it there for now. -- dvus
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-16 19:29 +0000 |
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dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > On 11/15/2015 3:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>> On 11/14/2015 4:28 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>> On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>>>>>>>> to do anything. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>>>>>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>>>>>>>> communications of any kind. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>>>>>>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>>>>>>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>>>>>>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >>>>>>>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >>>>>>>> teach beginning programming? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >>>>>>>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, again, that's what I said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >>>>>>>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >>>>>>>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >>>>>>>> magnitude and angle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as >>>>>>> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". >>>>> >>>>> What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids >>>>> these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain >>>>> interested in anything. >>>> >>>> Kids these days are also NOT into command lines, so any language >>>> where it is easy to display a window or a web page, and there are >>>> lots of them. >>> >>> I'm not aware of any that are as easy as Basic to learn and use almost >>> immediately to hold their interest. >> >> If you limit yourself the the capabilities of BASIC, then almost any >> language would do. >> >> Likely the simplest is command line PHP or Perl if all you want to do >> is simple calculations, but both have orders of magnitude more capabilities >> than BASIC. >> >> The primary reason BASIC is so easy to learn is that BASIC has very >> little in the way of capabilities. Once you want to do more, i.e. >> graphics, web pages, interprocess communications, database access, >> you have to switch to a more usefull language. >> >> Just because a language has advanced features (compared to BASIC) does >> not mean you have to start off using those features. > > I can see that it's not likely I'll ever get you to agree with my > opinion regarding the efficacy of using Basic to introduce kids to > computers and programming so I'll stop wasting both of our times. I feel > that Basic's simplicity and immediacy of results is exactly why it works > well for this situation, you do not. Let's leave it there for now. Nope, as quite frankly, your position is ridiculous. If you restrict capabilities to those of BASIC, many other languages are just as easy to learn and there are many that are interpreted for "immediacy of results". -- Jim Pennino
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| From | dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 05:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <db0cm6F19ceU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #533568 |
On 11/16/2015 2:29 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >> On 11/15/2015 3:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>> On 11/14/2015 4:28 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>> On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do anything. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for >>>>>>>>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess >>>>>>>>>>> communications of any kind. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other >>>>>>>>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers >>>>>>>>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious >>>>>>>>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic >>>>>>>>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to >>>>>>>>> teach beginning programming? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was >>>>>>>>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very >>>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, again, that's what I said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations >>>>>>>>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial >>>>>>>>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the >>>>>>>>> magnitude and angle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as >>>>>>>> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". >>>>>> >>>>>> What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids >>>>>> these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain >>>>>> interested in anything. >>>>> >>>>> Kids these days are also NOT into command lines, so any language >>>>> where it is easy to display a window or a web page, and there are >>>>> lots of them. >>>> >>>> I'm not aware of any that are as easy as Basic to learn and use almost >>>> immediately to hold their interest. >>> >>> If you limit yourself the the capabilities of BASIC, then almost any >>> language would do. >>> >>> Likely the simplest is command line PHP or Perl if all you want to do >>> is simple calculations, but both have orders of magnitude more capabilities >>> than BASIC. >>> >>> The primary reason BASIC is so easy to learn is that BASIC has very >>> little in the way of capabilities. Once you want to do more, i.e. >>> graphics, web pages, interprocess communications, database access, >>> you have to switch to a more usefull language. >>> >>> Just because a language has advanced features (compared to BASIC) does >>> not mean you have to start off using those features. >> >> I can see that it's not likely I'll ever get you to agree with my >> opinion regarding the efficacy of using Basic to introduce kids to >> computers and programming so I'll stop wasting both of our times. I feel >> that Basic's simplicity and immediacy of results is exactly why it works >> well for this situation, you do not. Let's leave it there for now. > > Nope, as quite frankly, your position is ridiculous. > > If you restrict capabilities to those of BASIC, many other languages > are just as easy to learn and there are many that are interpreted for > "immediacy of results". I simply don't agree and since the facts are fairly subjective see no reason to continue this fruitless discussion. Despite your dictum regarding my opinion I still think Basic is a great introductory language for kids, you do not. We could argue for infinity and still reach no consensus so I'm going to leave it there and devote my time to something more productive. You, of course, may carry on as you wish. -- dvus
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 20:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oseshc-rs1.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: >> If you restrict capabilities to those of BASIC, many other languages >> are just as easy to learn and there are many that are interpreted for >> "immediacy of results". > > I simply don't agree and since the facts are fairly subjective see no > reason to continue this fruitless discussion. Despite your dictum > regarding my opinion I still think Basic is a great introductory > language for kids, you do not. We could argue for infinity and still > reach no consensus so I'm going to leave it there and devote my time to > something more productive. You, of course, may carry on as you wish. What is so special about BASIC that makes it easy to learn? It is interpreted: there are lots of interpreted languages. It has only integer variable types: many other languages allow undeclared data types. It has one or two letter variable names: many other languages allow one or two letter variable names. It has little functionality other than basic math and string operations; you can restrict yourself to basic math and string operations in any language. It has only console IO; you can restrict yourself to only console IO in any language. OK, what do you think is so special about BASIC that makes it easy to learn that can not be done in any other interpreted language if you initially limit yourself to the capabilities of BASIC? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-17 14:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4d2fdc09-0fe5-4132-a0b5-260d4772a97c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #533119 |
On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 1:31:05 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > > On 11/13/2015 8:27 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > >>> On 11/13/2015 2:13 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > >>>>> On 11/12/2015 2:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote: > >>>>>>> On 11/11/2015 11:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>>>>>>> Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Prior to the introduction of Windows 7, the files Qbasic.exe and > >>>>>>>>> Qbasic.hlp were included in the self extracting zip file, olddos.exe, > >>>>>>>>> which was available as a free download from Microsoft. It's no longer > >>>>>>>>> available. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Early in 2013 I asked this question of the Microsoft Community; "How do I > >>>>>>>>> obtain permission to store a copy of Qbasic on my web pages that can be > >>>>>>>>> downloaded by anyone wishing to do so? Permission is all I require." > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft > >>>>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use > >>>>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I've stored the necessary info for downloading Qbasic at this address. > >>>>>>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If Qbasic was installed in every computer on earth, it would be one of > >>>>>>>>> the greatest communication tools emerging from the 20th century. There's > >>>>>>>>> nothing else in the world that compares in this field. The problem now is > >>>>>>>>> that XP is the latest Windows version that will properly run the software > >>>>>>>>> and most folk have progressed beyond that. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I would guess 99% of people have zero interest in programming Basic > >>>>>>>> to do anything. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm finally one of the "1%" I keep hearing about! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One wonders why anyone in this day and age would be using BASIC for > >>>>>> anything given it's lack of usefull I/O and lack interprocess > >>>>>> communications of any kind. > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, to start with, it's fun. There can be little doubt that other > >>>>> languages are much more useful for practical purposes, but Basic offers > >>>>> a simple introduction to the "basics" of program writing. Serious > >>>>> programmers must, of course, move on to more serious languages. > >>>> > >>>> You do know BASIC is an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic > >>>> Instruction Code and was invented as a simple language to be used to > >>>> teach beginning programming? > >>> > >>> Yes, that's kinda what I said above. > >>> > >>>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was > >>>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very > >>>> expensive. > >>> > >>> Yes, again, that's what I said. > >>> > >>>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations > >>>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial > >>>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the > >>>> magnitude and angle. > >>> > >>> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as > >>> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement. > >> > >> I think you missed the part where I said "in this day and age". > > > > What other language would you think suitable to teach to young kids > > these days? They require almost instant gratification to remain > > interested in anything. > > Kids these days are also NOT into command lines Well, if you told them that commands were like tweets... >so any language where it is easy to display a window or a web page Yeah. Sigh. Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-13 16:11 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n4kqdv$o17$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
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On 11/13/2015 6:38 PM, dvus wrote:
>
>> The only reason anyone ever used BASIC for non-educational tasks was
>> BASIC was simple and free while FORTRAN compilers were scarce and very
>> expensive.
>
> Yes, again, that's what I said.
BASIC was/is fast and easy.
It does not need to be compiled like FORTRAN
And there are lots of reasons why people use BASIC back then. It was
used in industry quite a bit.
>
>> One of the things BASIC was very usefull for was doing calculations
>> that were tedious manually or with a slide rule that today are trivial
>> with a $10 calculator, e.g. given X and Y of a vector, calculate the
>> magnitude and angle.
BASIC is also good at array calculations, indexing
>
> It was also very useful to get kids interested in programming since, as
> you pointed out, other forms of programming were harder to implement.
try Forth programming language.
Free Compliers here;
http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/forth.shtml
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 08:43 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <Ye2dnemJ5rgaONnLnZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #532266 |
On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote: > I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft > representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use > to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss? Anybody that wants to download can do so here: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/ But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest. Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 11:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n22gv1$qe5$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #532311 |
On 11/12/2015 8:43 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote:
>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft
>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use
>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case.
>
> What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss?
>
> Anybody that wants to download can do so here:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/
>
> But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest.
>
> Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code
> such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc.
>
FORTRAN, with its lovely eight digit precision.
is PHP compiled ?
and BASIC, with its lovely I/O with anything.
take BASIC + PC and you get = Unknown/undefined PC interupts
anyhow WIN XP is obsolete now, and WIN 7 soon will be, so IAW Microsoft,
it is no further use to Microsnot, there free for all.
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