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| Started by | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-07-05 02:01 -0700 |
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THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 02:01 -0700
THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 06:16 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 08:28 -0500
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 13:51 +0000
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 11:11 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 11:17 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 11:05 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 11:03 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 15:37 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-05 16:06 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 16:09 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 18:39 -0700
waves, zero noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 11:19 -0700
Re: waves, zero "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 22:46 -0700
no waves in no thing noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 11:00 -0700
Re: no waves in no thing noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 16:23 -0700
Re: no waves in no thing xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-10 13:27 -0700
i.e pi modulus noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 11:51 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Roberto" <invalid@example.com> - 2016-07-06 18:18 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 22:49 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 02:55 -0700
Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 04:49 -0700
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 02:01 -0700 |
| Subject | THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT |
| Message-ID | <c7326aa1-8564-4dfd-8928-3cbbd30e7250@googlegroups.com> |
THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT 1 ==================================================== ''NO MASS '''- THE ONLY ONE MASS !!-NO REAL PHYSICS !!===================================================== 2 ========================================================= MASS - IS THE MOTHER OF **ALL**FORCES -***INCLUDING GRAVITY*** !! ========================================================== old copyright TIA Eng Yehiel Porat =========================================================
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 06:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5dd82eb4-a2a5-4106-91b8-001a99431d10@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588009 |
When matter vibrates, it makes waves in the medium. When matter vibrates, it interacts with waves in the medium. Control how the matter vibrates, and you can skew your interaction with the medium. Mass can be modulated and polarized.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 08:28 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT |
| Message-ID | <nlgcl0$a50$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #588020 |
On 7/5/2016 8:16 AM, john wrote: > When matter vibrates, it makes waves in > the medium. When matter vibrates, it > interacts with waves in the medium. > Control how the matter vibrates, and you > can skew your interaction with the > medium. > Mass can be modulated and polarized. > Croutons. You missed croutons. Way too much kale, by the way. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 13:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT |
| Message-ID | <nlge0t$v8r$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #588022 |
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: >Croutons. You missed croutons. >Way too much kale, by the way. :-)
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 11:11 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT |
| Message-ID | <6148f5ed-a0de-43fc-b1f5-b6a3a5651f96@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588027 |
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 4:52:15 PM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote: > Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: > > >Croutons. You missed croutons. > >Way too much kale, by the way. > > :-) =========================== envy is killing you ?? you can go one leaking the ass of Bod Bod ======= next !! to cleaver decent **responsible* human beings ------------------------------- Y.P ==============================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 11:17 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT |
| Message-ID | <38bb3f36-5eb1-4de5-a166-ffda12afbe57@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588048 |
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:11:35 PM UTC+3, Y.Porat wrote: > On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 4:52:15 PM UTC+3, Michael Moroney wrote: > > Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes: > > > > >Croutons. You missed croutons. > > >Way too much kale, by the way. > > > > :-) > =========================== > envy is killing you ?? > you can go one leaking the ass of Bod Bod > ======= > next !! > to cleaver decent **responsible* human beings > ------------------------------- > Y.P > ============================== BTW the real name of*** ANONYMOUS**!! Bod Bod is Paul Draper( P D) BTW why should he be anonymous ??!!! only Bod Bod know (actually not difficult to know why !! Y.P ===========================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 11:05 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT |
| Message-ID | <27220c55-21d0-4ffb-b0e2-c9f700a34ed8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588022 |
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 4:28:04 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/5/2016 8:16 AM, john wrote: > > When matter vibrates, it makes waves in > > the medium. When matter vibrates, it > > interacts with waves in the medium. > > Control how the matter vibrates, and you > > can skew your interaction with the > > medium. > > Mass can be modulated and polarized. > > > > Croutons. You missed croutons. > Way too much kale, by the way. > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables ===================== I was talking about mass and yo are as usual mumbling.. Y.P -==============================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 11:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e7223b63-0abb-4811-b57a-139504bd18e7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588020 |
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 4:16:23 PM UTC+3, john wrote: > When matter vibrates, it makes waves in > the medium. When matter vibrates, it > interacts with waves in the medium. > Control how the matter vibrates, and you > can skew your interaction with the > medium. > Mass can be modulated and polarized. ====================== so you agree that w8ithout mass no gravitation can be done TiA Y.P ===================================
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 15:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <944f5edc-db26-4478-a7c1-48b4f87cbaef@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588020 |
pass the crouton -- don't take the whole crouton, pretty-please > medium. > Mass can be modulated and polarized.
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| From | xxein1@att.net |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 16:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6552ab6a-e6f4-48d9-b907-6b3174bf8f8d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588009 |
On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 5:01:13 AM UTC-4, Y.Porat wrote: > THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT > 1 > ==================================================== > ''NO MASS '''- THE ONLY ONE MASS !!-NO REAL PHYSICS !!===================================================== > 2 > ========================================================= > MASS - IS THE MOTHER OF **ALL**FORCES -***INCLUDING GRAVITY*** !! > ========================================================== > > old copyright > TIA > Eng > Yehiel Porat > ========================================================= xxein: "THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS"??? Did Mother Nature throw out the old rules? Did she tell you when she's going to change them again? How about how mass makes for gravity? Is that like getting free Coke with a two dollar purchase of rocks? You will tell us, won't you?
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 16:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <00e948e6-b2f0-4b2b-a66c-1578034cba43@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588075 |
at least, a.p pretends to deal with an issue, and so does that other two-letter guy > getting free Coke with a two dollar purchase of rocks? You will tell us, won't you?
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 18:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c8180119-1882-45f4-b3b7-3f61ac8513fe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588075 |
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 2:06:22 AM UTC+3, xxe...@att.net wrote: > On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 5:01:13 AM UTC-4, Y.Porat wrote: > > THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS -BY Y.PORAT > > 1 > > ==================================================== > > ''NO MASS '''- THE ONLY ONE MASS !!-NO REAL PHYSICS !!===================================================== > > 2 > > ========================================================= > > MASS - IS THE MOTHER OF **ALL**FORCES -***INCLUDING GRAVITY*** !! > > ========================================================== > > > > old copyright > > TIA > > Eng > > Yehiel Porat > > ========================================================= > > xxein: "THE 2 NEW UNPRECEDENTED -MAIN MOST BASIC RULES OF PHYSICS"??? > Did Mother Nature throw out the old rules? Did she tell you when she's going to change them again? How about how mass makes for gravity? Is that like getting free Coke with a two dollar purchase of rocks? You will tell us, won't you? ================================ 1 does the Proton include 'relativistic mass ?? what are the basic Dimensions of 'relativistic mass ?? 2 see Google 'The Y. Circlon mechanism'' 3 do you have some secret intimate relation with MOTHER NATYRE ?? ...... TIA Y.Porat ====================================
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-06 11:19 -0700 |
| Subject | waves, zero |
| Message-ID | <cae5d0aa-3e91-483a-a4cd-b4bd33fda17c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588093 |
well, no&yes; one part of relativistic mass is easily calculable in keplerian terms of electronic orbitals "in the direction of travel at some fraction of the speed of lightwaves > what are the basic Dimensions of 'relativistic mass ?? > do you have some secret intimate relation with > MOTHER NATYRE ?? ...... > > TIA > Y.Porat > ====================================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-06 22:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: waves, zero |
| Message-ID | <c677b087-30ab-4435-8391-7a80a4d5780a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588160 |
On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 9:19:44 PM UTC+3, noTthaTguY wrote: > well, no&yes; > one part of relativistic mass is easily calculable > in keplerian terms of electronic orbitals > "in the direction of travel at some fraction of the speed > of lightwaves ======================================= (:) what has that to do with relativistic mass do you measure Mass there !!!!!??? or you measure velocity ??!! so what makes changes in velocity you have F =ma TIMES gamma factor so who the F tell you that this gamma belongs to m !!!!!! why not F /Gamma times a AND M RELAINS CONSTSNT 2 we have the energy of photons E = h f h is scalar times KILOGRAM meter ^2/second do you se the Kilogram there ??!! where the Fuck you see there any relativistic multiplier there -to make mass ''relativistic'' ----- or where the Fuck you see there anything like ZERO to multiply those kilograms there to make those kilograms to be zero ???!!! =============== will there not be (more than 100 years !!!) an end to stupidity parroting ??? unbelievable parroting stupidity!! by semi ''intelligent' decent human beings TIA Y.Porat ================================ > > > what are the basic Dimensions of 'relativistic mass ?? > > > do you have some secret intimate relation with > > MOTHER NATYRE ?? ...... > > > > TIA > > Y.Porat > > ====================================
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-08 11:00 -0700 |
| Subject | no waves in no thing |
| Message-ID | <42c5088b-f6ae-4041-bd54-09ae9959cc35@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588235 |
you have got to edit your ****, if you want to comprehend, what you're trying to say to me; if you don't know Kepler's orbital constraint in the form of a simple prOOf, now is a gOOd time for that; it's just second-powering (or "skwaring > > in keplerian terms of electronic orbitals > > "in the direction of travel at some fraction of the speed > > of lightwaves > ======================================= > (:) > > > what has that to do with relativistic mass > do you measure Mass there !!!!!??? > or you measure velocity ??!! > so > what makes changes in velocity > > you have > F =ma TIMES gamma factor > so who the F tell you that this gamma > belongs to m !!!!!! > > why not > F /Gamma times a > AND M RELAINS CONSTSNT > 2 > we have the energy of photons > E = h f > > h is > scalar times KILOGRAM meter ^2/second > > do you se the Kilogram there ??!! > you see there anything like ZERO > to multiply those kilograms there > to make those kilograms to be zero ???!!!
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-08 16:23 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: no waves in no thing |
| Message-ID | <2a13b5cd-034a-41ab-a0b8-61eca11b250f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588375 |
of course, it's nice to also start with the two spatial versions of the pythagorean theorem, that are not attributed to any one, AFAiK > if > you don't know Kepler's orbital constraint in the form > of a simple prOOf, now is a gOOd time for that; > it's just second-powering (or "skwaring > > > > in keplerian terms of electronic orbitals > > > "in the direction of travel at some fraction of the speed > > E = h f
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| From | xxein1@att.net |
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| Date | 2016-07-10 13:27 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: no waves in no thing |
| Message-ID | <26cdf14c-1d2c-4872-85b2-8389964e19cd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588375 |
On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 2:01:00 PM UTC-4, noTthaTguY wrote: > you have got to edit your ****, if > you want to comprehend, what you're trying to say to me; > if > you don't know Kepler's orbital constraint in the form > of a simple prOOf, now is a gOOd time for that; > it's just second-powering (or "skwaring > > > > in keplerian terms of electronic orbitals > > > "in the direction of travel at some fraction of the speed > > > of lightwaves > > ======================================= > > (:) > > > > > > what has that to do with relativistic mass > > do you measure Mass there !!!!!??? > > or you measure velocity ??!! > > so > > what makes changes in velocity > > > > you have > > F =ma TIMES gamma factor > > so who the F tell you that this gamma > > belongs to m !!!!!! > > > > why not > > F /Gamma times a > > AND M RELAINS CONSTSNT > > 2 > > we have the energy of photons > > E = h f > > > > h is > > scalar times KILOGRAM meter ^2/second > > > > do you se the Kilogram there ??!! > > > you see there anything like ZERO > > to multiply those kilograms there > > to make those kilograms to be zero ???!!! xxein: Kepler's formulation is meant to be gravitational celestial mechanics. It has many forms of expression. This is one case for circular orbits. If we let M be G*m(mass in kg) /c^2, M is the geometric mass expressed in meters. Earth has a mass of 5.97236535672e24 kg. It's geometric mass is 0.0044350280391152 meters. Any distance from the center of a mass can be expressed as multiples of its geometric mass (an 'M#' of meters distant). If we let velocity be expressed as v/c at a particular M# of distance, a circular orbit velocity will be sqrt(1/M#) and its escape velocity will be sqrt(2/M#). It follows that circular orbit velocity^2 + escape velocity^2 = 3/M#. It can be noted that at a black hole radius of 3M (3*M#), 3/3=1 (the speed of light). Also note that orbit velocity at 3M is NOT c (not even for light). This helps explain why Einstein's bending of light is 2x that of the Newton formulation among other differences such as delay time or what have you at such general elliptical proximities to a massive body. But even Einstein didn't realise this as such amidst his formulations couched in the observer oriented relativities of time and distances. There can be no doubt that this is one of the reasons it's so difficult to reconcile the accepted theory of General Relativity with the accepted theory of Quantum Mechanics. In the past, I had to retract saying that escape velocity^2 + circular orbit velocity^2 = c^2. It should have been "=3/M". 3/M is universal whereas 3/3=1=1^2=c^2 is the special case of M being 3. ************ The mechanics of Kepler involved only the 1/r^2 effects of gravity in its geometry. The behavior around a nucleus cannot claim the same. The term 'gamma' is merely a factor to relate between a measured, observed reality and reality itself. In reality, clocks do slow (gamma) and rods do shrink (gamma) with their speed relation to the speed of light and we use them as such in determining our 'measured' reality - BUT we do so carelessly and mostly uncomprehendingly. Clocks may slow down but time does not. Rods shrink but so does anything we can use to directly compare them with. Almost. Another day.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 11:51 -0700 |
| Subject | i.e pi modulus |
| Message-ID | <80c3e788-2526-4e27-99d0-3ae52e97d7d7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588634 |
I know not what you are saying, but the secondpower of the speed of light, is just the rate of increase of the wavefront, areally speaking (mod pi e.g > > > > in keplerian terms of electronic orbitals > > > > "in the direction of travel at some fraction of the speed > In the past, I had to retract saying that escape velocity^2 + circular orbit velocity^2 = c^2. It should have been "=3/M". 3/M is universal whereas 3/3=1=1^2=c^2 is the special case of M being 3. > > ************ > The mechanics of Kepler involved only the 1/r^2 effects of gravity in its geometry. The behavior around a nucleus cannot claim the same. > > The term 'gamma' is merely a factor to relate between a measured, observed reality and reality itself. In reality, clocks do slow (gamma) and rods do shrink (gamma) with their speed relation to the speed of light and we use them as such in determining our 'measured' reality - BUT we do so carelessly and mostly uncomprehendingly. Clocks may slow down but time does not. Rods shrink but so does anything we can use to directly compare them with. Almost. > > Another day.
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| From | "Roberto" <invalid@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-06 18:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nlkamb$1ae$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #588093 |
shitpost
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-06 22:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7a920d69-8e64-4d61-8688-6680e27eea5c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588220 |
On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 4:19:13 AM UTC+3, Roberto wrote: > shitpost ================== pig gangster Go better F your mother ================================
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