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A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars.

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  A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-10-10 21:29 -0400
    A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 18:49 -0700
    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 08:45 -0500
      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-11 14:57 +0000
        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:21 -0700
        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-11 18:54 +0000
          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-11 19:05 +0000
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 12:37 -0700
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-10-11 22:56 +0300
              the static eventuality noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 09:55 -0700
      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:13 -0700
        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-11 18:56 +0000
          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 12:44 -0700
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-11 21:46 +0000
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-11 19:46 -0400
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:18 -0700
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 05:19 +0000
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 12:59 -0700
      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-11 19:10 -0400
        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 19:19 -0500
          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-11 20:51 -0400
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 20:50 -0500
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:58 -0700
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 05:23 +0000
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:09 -0700
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:42 -0500
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:03 -0700
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 19:40 -0500
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 01:20 +0000
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 21:26 -0700
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:15 -0400
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 19:05 -0700
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:13 -0400
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-13 13:36 -0500
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 11:02 -0500
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-14 12:40 -0400
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-16 09:21 -0400
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-16 19:32 -0400
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-18 08:53 -0400
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 11:36 -0700
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 18:54 -0500
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 03:49 -0700
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 10:10 -0500
                                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:07 -0700
                                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:39 -0500
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-16 22:13 +0000
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-16 19:27 -0400
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 17:21 -0700
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-18 08:46 -0400
                                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 08:45 -0500
                                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-18 17:18 +0000
                                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 21:44 -0500
                                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-19 07:14 -0400
                                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 08:23 -0700
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:10 -0400
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 23:48 +0000
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-14 06:09 -0400
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 18:03 +0000
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 02:27 -0700
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 10:14 -0500
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-15 17:52 +0000
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:28 -0700
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:10 -0700
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:44 -0500
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-16 09:25 -0400
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-16 18:29 +0000
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 17:17 -0700
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 20:00 -0500
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-17 05:19 +0000
                                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 05:51 -0700
                                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 14:03 -0500
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-17 23:40 +0000
                                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 07:30 -0700
                                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 10:01 -0500
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 17:45 -0700
                                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 20:49 -0500
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 05:28 -0700
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:48 -0500
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-16 23:45 +0000
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-18 08:48 -0400
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 10:07 -0500
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-19 07:15 -0400
                                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-19 09:02 -0500
                                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-19 16:29 -0400
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-19 19:38 -0400
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-19 19:27 -0500
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 18:57 -0700
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:08 -0400
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 12:15 -0500
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 02:37 +0000
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 21:02 -0700
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 05:23 +0000
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:11 -0700
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:17 -0400
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 23:54 +0000
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 10:52 -0700
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 13:07 -0500
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:50 -0700
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:50 -0500
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:16 -0700
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:45 -0500
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:05 -0700
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 19:43 -0500
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 01:22 +0000
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 19:20 -0700
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:27 -0700
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:47 -0500
          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:48 -0700
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-12 01:21 -0400
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:53 -0500
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-12 19:18 +0000
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 16:02 -0700
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:06 -0700
          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 06:26 -0400
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 00:01 +0000
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-14 06:14 -0400
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 18:07 +0000
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 02:35 -0700
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:50 -0500
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-16 23:54 +0000
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 18:21 -0700
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 07:12 -0500
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 06:50 -0700
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 17:00 -0500
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-17 23:47 +0000
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 07:31 -0700
                                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 12:16 -0500
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-10-17 13:40 +0000
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 16:24 -0700
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 10:58 -0700
        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 02:36 +0000
          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 21:01 -0700
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:56 -0500
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 14:12 -0700
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:49 -0500
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:06 -0700
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 19:45 -0500
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 21:08 -0700
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-13 11:48 -0500
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 10:42 -0700
        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-12 00:38 -0400
          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:59 -0500
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:18 -0700
            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 14:14 -0700
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:52 -0500
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:13 -0700
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 20:02 -0500
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 21:18 -0700
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-13 08:05 -0500
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-13 09:38 -0400
                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 00:06 +0000
                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-13 21:26 -0400
                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 02:51 +0000
                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-14 06:01 -0400
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-14 07:25 -0400
                                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 07:29 -0500
                                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-14 10:20 -0400
                                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 11:30 -0700
                                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 13:48 -0500
                                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 14:09 -0700
                                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 18:57 -0500
                                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 21:08 +0000
                                          Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 02:57 -0700
                                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 10:16 -0500
                                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:11 -0700
                                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:53 -0500
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                                                        tensegrity ... TensegritoY noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 18:46 -0700
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              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 00:11 +0000
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                            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 03:45 -0700
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                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-10-17 13:40 +0000
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                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 11:16 -0700
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 08:00 -0500
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                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 09:47 -0500
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                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 21:18 +0000
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                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 08:56 -0500
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                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-15 20:00 -0400
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 22:39 -0700
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            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:56 -0500
              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:41 -0700
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 21:18 -0500
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 07:53 -0700
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-13 13:28 -0500
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 10:50 -0700
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 13:17 -0500
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                                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 23:04 -0500
                                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 22:47 -0700
                                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 09:03 -0500
                                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 16:29 -0700
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                              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-10-16 18:36 +0100
                    Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-14 20:08 -0400
                      Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 04:00 -0700
                        Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 09:20 -0500
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              Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 20:42 -0400
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 21:23 -0500
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:38 -0400
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 09:37 -0700
                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 02:04 +0000
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            Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 00:14 +0000
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                Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 12:27 -0400
                  Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 21:28 +0000
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#601004

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-15 17:52 +0000
Message-ID<bv6add-p9q.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#600994
In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 10/15/2016 4:27 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
> 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>
> 
>> I think it's funny that someone had to suggest this before you thought
>> of it and moved from 'impossible' to 'expensive'.  I think it's even
>> funnier that you said it to me and I stupidly have your head up my
>> ass to keep from seeing it.
> 
>     no one cares what you think, troll.

Notice that the lying troll says I said "impossible" when I never
used that word.

>> You only need enough reactors to get you started producing solar cells
>> from in situ resources.  And it's no more 'expensive' than shipping
>> anything else to Mars.
> 
> bullshit.
> 
> you gloss over the required complexity so fast, you must be stoned as 
> shit. or a lying shit.

He also glosses over the fact that you only get an average of about
40 W/m^2 of solar electricity on the surface of Mars.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#601065

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-15 21:28 -0700
Message-ID<8b060c95qmkqnqnup7pg2hns4gbd479atd@4ax.com>
In reply to#601004
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 10/15/2016 4:27 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>> 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>>
>> 
>>> I think it's funny that someone had to suggest this before you thought
>>> of it and moved from 'impossible' to 'expensive'.  I think it's even
>>> funnier that you said it to me and I stupidly have your head up my
>>> ass to keep from seeing it.
>> 
>>     no one cares what you think, troll.
>
>Notice that the lying troll says I said "impossible" when I never
>used that word.
>

Everyone hears that from you, Chimp, even if you avoid using the word.

>>> You only need enough reactors to get you started producing solar cells
>>> from in situ resources.  And it's no more 'expensive' than shipping
>>> anything else to Mars.
>> 
>> bullshit.
>> 
>> you gloss over the required complexity so fast, you must be stoned as 
>> shit. or a lying shit.
>
>He also glosses over the fact that you only get an average of about
>40 W/m^2 of solar electricity on the surface of Mars.
>

Where did I do that, you lying asshole?  YOU gave the required solar
array size for a given power level on Mars.  All I did was point out
that the ground footprint required was not all that big.


-- 
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
 your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
                             -- Mark Twain

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#601061

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-15 21:10 -0700
Message-ID<0av50c9ulbjih4c8b0807qm8r7v2i82jek@4ax.com>
In reply to#600994
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 10/15/2016 4:27 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>
>>
>> I think it's funny that someone had to suggest this before you thought
>> of it and moved from 'impossible' to 'expensive'.  I think it's even
>> funnier that you said it to me and I stupidly have your head up my
>> ass to keep from seeing it.
>>
>
>     no one cares what you think, troll.
>

Yet here you are, trolling away, you sad little fuckwit.

>>
>> You only need enough reactors to get you started producing solar cells
>> from in situ resources.  And it's no more 'expensive' than shipping
>> anything else to Mars.
>>
>
>bullshit.
>
>you gloss over the required complexity so fast, you must be stoned as 
>shit. or a lying shit.
>

What 'complexity'?  You must be delusional as shit, or a lying shit.

And we know it's both, troll.  It's sad that people like you can't
validate your self-importance in any other way.


-- 
You are 
What you do 
When it counts.

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#601119

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-16 14:44 -0500
Message-ID<nu0lak$18oa$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#601061
On 10/15/2016 11:10 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2016 4:27 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it's funny that someone had to suggest this before you thought
>>> of it and moved from 'impossible' to 'expensive'.  I think it's even
>>> funnier that you said it to me and I stupidly have your head up my
>>> ass to keep from seeing it.
>>>
>>
>>     no one cares what you think, troll.
>>
>
> Yet here you are,

a thought !    wait,  never mind,  he's still spewing gibberish.

>
>>>
>>> You only need enough reactors to get you started producing solar cells
>>> from in situ resources.  And it's no more 'expensive' than shipping
>>> anything else to Mars.
>>>
>>
>> bullshit.
>>
>> you gloss over the required complexity so fast, you must be stoned as
>> shit. or a lying shit.
>>
>
> What 'complexity'?

figures,
you know that you are agreeing with me that you cannot comprehend the 
complexity of the task or even a small part of it.


>
> And we know it's both, troll.  It's sad that people like you can't
> validate your self-importance in any other way.

you are projecting again

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#601090

FromJeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com>
Date2016-10-16 09:25 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.326d49f01fba8fb1989844@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#600867
In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
says...
> 
> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> > In article <j2j5dd-cab.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> > says...
> >> 
> >> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <4vt0dd-dap.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> >> > says...
> >> >> 
> >> >> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Really?  You think we breath NITROGEN?  Uh, no.  We just use the
> >> >> > oxygen.
> >> >> 
> >> >> We use the oxygen but what we breath is 78% nitrogen.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Breathing pure oxygen is generally bad for humans.
> >> >> 
> >> >> http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you
> >> > 
> >> > But there is "fixed" nitrogen on Mars.  Could be useful as fertilizer.  
> >> > If not then the nitrogen would need to be extracted in other ways (i.e. 
> >> > chemistry).
> >> > 
> >> > NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Biologically Useful Nitrogen on Mars
> >> > http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/mars-nitrogen
> >> > 
> >> > Chemistry will solve many of these problems.  
> >> 
> >> Doing chemistry takes lots of energy, particularly when you have to
> >> synthesize just about everything complex.
> > 
> > Some Mars reference missions include a nuclear reactor so that the 
> > return ship can produce liquid methane and LOX from the CO2 atmosphere 
> > and H2 brought on the ship.  If we end up going that route, just keep 
> > leaving nuclear reactors on Mars brought from earth on the transport 
> > ships.
> 
> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
> that is not going to be cheap.

Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".  
Progress!

Jeff
-- 
All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone.  
These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, 
employer, or any organization that I am a member of.

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#601115

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-16 18:29 +0000
Message-ID<fhtcdd-on5.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#601090
In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
> says...
>> 
>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>> > In article <j2j5dd-cab.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>> > says...
>> >> 
>> >> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> > In article <4vt0dd-dap.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>> >> > says...
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> <snip>
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> > Really?  You think we breath NITROGEN?  Uh, no.  We just use the
>> >> >> > oxygen.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> We use the oxygen but what we breath is 78% nitrogen.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Breathing pure oxygen is generally bad for humans.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you
>> >> > 
>> >> > But there is "fixed" nitrogen on Mars.  Could be useful as fertilizer.  
>> >> > If not then the nitrogen would need to be extracted in other ways (i.e. 
>> >> > chemistry).
>> >> > 
>> >> > NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Biologically Useful Nitrogen on Mars
>> >> > http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/mars-nitrogen
>> >> > 
>> >> > Chemistry will solve many of these problems.  
>> >> 
>> >> Doing chemistry takes lots of energy, particularly when you have to
>> >> synthesize just about everything complex.
>> > 
>> > Some Mars reference missions include a nuclear reactor so that the 
>> > return ship can produce liquid methane and LOX from the CO2 atmosphere 
>> > and H2 brought on the ship.  If we end up going that route, just keep 
>> > leaving nuclear reactors on Mars brought from earth on the transport 
>> > ships.
>> 
>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>> that is not going to be cheap.
> 
> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".  
> Progress!
> 
> Jeff

Who said "not possible"?

It certainly wasn't me.

The closest thing to "not possible" I've said is that the following
are unknowns on Mars.

If water is available in quantity anywhere other than the poles.

If there are concentrated usefull mineral deposits in general and
concentrated calcium deposits in particular as all the concentrated
calcium deposits on Earth are the result of biology.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#601189

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-16 17:17 -0700
Message-ID<nh580cljgmuti2f05dqcmukm5jhbb61mgu@4ax.com>
In reply to#601115
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>> says...
>>> 
>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> > In article <j2j5dd-cab.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>>> > says...
>>> >> 
>>> >> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >> > In article <4vt0dd-dap.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 
>>> >> > says...
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> <snip>
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> > Really?  You think we breath NITROGEN?  Uh, no.  We just use the
>>> >> >> > oxygen.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> We use the oxygen but what we breath is 78% nitrogen.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Breathing pure oxygen is generally bad for humans.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > But there is "fixed" nitrogen on Mars.  Could be useful as fertilizer.  
>>> >> > If not then the nitrogen would need to be extracted in other ways (i.e. 
>>> >> > chemistry).
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > NASA's Curiosity Rover Finds Biologically Useful Nitrogen on Mars
>>> >> > http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/mars-nitrogen
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > Chemistry will solve many of these problems.  
>>> >> 
>>> >> Doing chemistry takes lots of energy, particularly when you have to
>>> >> synthesize just about everything complex.
>>> > 
>>> > Some Mars reference missions include a nuclear reactor so that the 
>>> > return ship can produce liquid methane and LOX from the CO2 atmosphere 
>>> > and H2 brought on the ship.  If we end up going that route, just keep 
>>> > leaving nuclear reactors on Mars brought from earth on the transport 
>>> > ships.
>>> 
>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>> 
>> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".  
>> Progress!
>> 
>> Jeff
>
>Who said "not possible"?
>
>It certainly wasn't me.
>

Yet that's the attitude everyone hears you having, Jimp.

>
>The closest thing to "not possible" I've said is that the following
>are unknowns on Mars.
>
>If water is available in quantity anywhere other than the poles.
>

Not an unknown.  We know there are huge subsurface ice deposits
elsewhere than the poles.

>
>If there are concentrated usefull mineral deposits in general and
>

Not an unknown.  We know there's hematite and other iron ores.

>
>concentrated calcium deposits in particular as all the concentrated
>calcium deposits on Earth are the result of biology.
>

Not an unknown.  Calcium concentrations and minerals such as dolomite
and marble are one of the indications on Mars that there was surface
water.

So your problem appears to be your ignorance of the facts rather than
the facts themselves.


-- 
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
 truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
                               -- Thomas Jefferson

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#601196

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-16 20:00 -0500
Message-ID<nu17qv$393$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#601189
On 10/16/2016 7:17 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>> says...
>>>>

>>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>
>>> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".
>>> Progress!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Who said "not possible"?
>>
>> It certainly wasn't me.
>>
>
> Yet that's the attitude everyone hears you having,

you do not speak for everyone, you speak to yourself.

>
>>
>> The closest thing to "not possible" I've said is that the following
>> are unknowns on Mars.
>>
>> If water is available in quantity anywhere other than the poles.
>>
>
> Not an unknown.  We know
>.there are huge subsurface ice deposits
> elsewhere than the poles.

no, you dont know that.  it is only conjecture, not known.

>
>>
>> If there are concentrated usefull mineral deposits in general and
>>
>
> Not an unknown.  We know there's hematite and other iron ores.

Cite?  where is your hematite mine ?

iron makes the planet red, but it is not know of any concentrated 
mineral deposits.

>
>>
>> concentrated calcium deposits in particular as all the concentrated
>> calcium deposits on Earth are the result of biology.
>>
>
> Not an unknown.  Calcium concentrations and minerals such as dolomite
> and marble are one of the indications on Mars that there was surface
> water.

Cite ?


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#601219

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-17 05:19 +0000
Message-ID<lk3edd-je9.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#601196
In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 10/16/2016 7:17 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
> 
>>>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".
>>>> Progress!
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Who said "not possible"?
>>>
>>> It certainly wasn't me.
>>>
>>
>> Yet that's the attitude everyone hears you having,
> 
> you do not speak for everyone, you speak to yourself.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> The closest thing to "not possible" I've said is that the following
>>> are unknowns on Mars.
>>>
>>> If water is available in quantity anywhere other than the poles.
>>>
>>
>> Not an unknown.  We know
>>.there are huge subsurface ice deposits
>> elsewhere than the poles.
> 
> no, you dont know that.  it is only conjecture, not known.

The latest thing from NASA that I have seen confirms small, as in
handfull, amounts of subsurface water ice on Mars and they were making
a huge deal out of the discovery.

If anyone has seen anything confirming large amounts of water other
than at the poles I would like to see it.

>>> If there are concentrated usefull mineral deposits in general and
>>>
>>
>> Not an unknown.  We know there's hematite and other iron ores.
> 
> Cite?  where is your hematite mine ?

I can find handfulls of just about anything in the local mountains.

That does not mean that there is enough concentration of anything
to be usefull.
 
> iron makes the planet red, but it is not know of any concentrated 
> mineral deposits.

I would say that it is likely thay do exist, however that has not
been confirmed and obviously if they exist we don't know where they
are.

At this point they could be anywhere between a few meters and 10,000 km
from any planned Mars colony site.

>>> concentrated calcium deposits in particular as all the concentrated
>>> calcium deposits on Earth are the result of biology.
>>>
>>
>> Not an unknown.  Calcium concentrations and minerals such as dolomite
>> and marble are one of the indications on Mars that there was surface
>> water.
> 
> Cite ?
 
Minor amounts of dolomite can be found just about anywhere on Earth
as calcium is the fifth most abundant element on the planet and hardly
a surprise on Mars.

The same can be said of marble.

Both can be formed in diffuse and scattered quantites by geologic
action alone.

The issue is large, highly concentrated amounts and those only come
from biological action, so if any large concentrated amounts of
calcium based minerals were found on Mars, the headlines would be
screaming about proof of previous life found on Mars.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#601242

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-17 05:51 -0700
Message-ID<24h90c10sq6lb6d5v5io1kdp2j2g73vmi8@4ax.com>
In reply to#601219
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

Jimp's argument seems to be that since we haven't sent a bunch of
people in to verify the existence of things there is no point in
sending a bunch of people.  Just a little circular...

>In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 10/16/2016 7:17 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>> 
>>>>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>>>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".
>>>>> Progress!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> Who said "not possible"?
>>>>
>>>> It certainly wasn't me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet that's the attitude everyone hears you having,
>> 
>> you do not speak for everyone, you speak to yourself.
>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The closest thing to "not possible" I've said is that the following
>>>> are unknowns on Mars.
>>>>
>>>> If water is available in quantity anywhere other than the poles.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not an unknown.  We know
>>>.there are huge subsurface ice deposits
>>> elsewhere than the poles.
>> 
>> no, you dont know that.  it is only conjecture, not known.
>
>The latest thing from NASA that I have seen confirms small, as in
>handfull, amounts of subsurface water ice on Mars and they were making
>a huge deal out of the discovery.
>

Perhaps you should get out more.  Peer reviewed research...
]
http://www.space.com/30502-mars-giant-ice-sheet-discovery-mro.html

>
>If anyone has seen anything confirming large amounts of water other
>than at the poles I would like to see it.
>

Just what are you willing to accept as 'confirmation'?

>>>> If there are concentrated usefull mineral deposits in general and
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not an unknown.  We know there's hematite and other iron ores.
>> 
>> Cite?  where is your hematite mine ?
>
>I can find handfulls of just about anything in the local mountains.
>
>That does not mean that there is enough concentration of anything
>to be usefull.
> 

So until we have people go in and mine it there's no point in sending
people to go in and mine it?

To INITIALLY colonize, there are large areas of hematite nodules
pretty much just lying around on the surface.  Hematite is where we
get iron.  You don't even have to mine these; just scoop 'em up.

Again, how much has to be 'verified' for you?  How big do you think a
colony starts out?

>
>> iron makes the planet red, but it is not know of any concentrated 
>> mineral deposits.
>
>I would say that it is likely thay do exist, however that has not
>been confirmed and obviously if they exist we don't know where they
>are.
>

Except we DO know where there is enough to support an initial colony.

>
>At this point they could be anywhere between a few meters and 10,000 km
>from any planned Mars colony site.
>

Just like on Earth.  Golly gee...

>>>> concentrated calcium deposits in particular as all the concentrated
>>>> calcium deposits on Earth are the result of biology.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not an unknown.  Calcium concentrations and minerals such as dolomite
>>> and marble are one of the indications on Mars that there was surface
>>> water.
>> 
>> Cite ?
> 
>Minor amounts of dolomite can be found just about anywhere on Earth
>as calcium is the fifth most abundant element on the planet and hardly
>a surprise on Mars.
>
>The same can be said of marble.
>
>Both can be formed in diffuse and scattered quantites by geologic
>action alone.
>

Also in concentrated forms.  Calcium is stupidly prevalent on Mars.
Holding out a lack of calcium as a 'problem' just sounds silly.  

>
>The issue is large, highly concentrated amounts and those only come
>from biological action, so if any large concentrated amounts of
>calcium based minerals were found on Mars, the headlines would be
>screaming about proof of previous life found on Mars.
>

You're simply wrong.  All it takes to get areas with rocks having a
high concentration of calcium carbonate is for there to used to be
water there.


-- 
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
 truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
                               -- Thomas Jefferson

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#601322

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-17 14:03 -0500
Message-ID<nu37ad$19e1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#601242
On 10/17/2016 7:51 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>



>>
>> The issue is large, highly concentrated amounts and those only come
>>from biological action, so if any large concentrated amounts of
>> calcium based minerals were found on Mars, the headlines would be
>> screaming about proof of previous life found on Mars.

that is how limestone and marble formed on Earth, via biological action.


> You're simply wrong.  All it takes to get areas with rocks having a
> high concentration of calcium carbonate is for there to used to be
> water there.

obviously wrong.

You are saying throw some dirt and water in a blender and watch the 
calcium carbonate pop out.

Now show me.

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#601399

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-17 23:40 +0000
Message-ID<054gdd-r2g.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#601322
In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 10/17/2016 7:51 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
> 
> 
> 
>>>
>>> The issue is large, highly concentrated amounts and those only come
>>>from biological action, so if any large concentrated amounts of
>>> calcium based minerals were found on Mars, the headlines would be
>>> screaming about proof of previous life found on Mars.
> 
> that is how limestone and marble formed on Earth, via biological action.
> 
> 
>> You're simply wrong.  All it takes to get areas with rocks having a
>> high concentration of calcium carbonate is for there to used to be
>> water there.
> 
> obviously wrong.
> 
> You are saying throw some dirt and water in a blender and watch the 
> calcium carbonate pop out.
> 
> Now show me.

Funny how all the large deposits on Earth are biological in origin
and if it hasn't been geologically processed too much you can see
the skeltons under a microscope.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#601464

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-18 07:30 -0700
Message-ID<4ccc0c10g155gl6uqv2qk0cqo1ctcvtuu7@4ax.com>
In reply to#601399
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You are saying throw some dirt and water in a blender and watch the 
>> calcium carbonate pop out.
>> 
>> Now show me.
>
>Funny how all the large deposits on Earth are biological in origin
>and if it hasn't been geologically processed too much you can see
>the skeltons under a microscope.
> 

Funny how that's not true.  We've got this stuff out here called
caliche, which is essentially calcium carbonate...


-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#601469

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-18 10:01 -0500
Message-ID<nu5dgt$ish$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#601464
On 10/18/2016 9:30 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You are saying throw some dirt and water in a blender and watch the
>>> calcium carbonate pop out.
>>>
>>> Now show me.

>> Funny how all the large deposits on Earth are biological in origin
>> and if it hasn't been geologically processed too much you can see
>> the skeltons under a microscope.
>>
>
> Funny how that's not true.  We've got this stuff out here called
> caliche, which is essentially calcium carbonate...
>
>

you jump to your "not ture" conclusions way too fast

caliche has some calcium carbonate from small to tiny old sea critters, 
the whitish stuff, but take a look at it under the microscope  in some 
of the caliche here you can see the structures of the critters, in other 
caliches here we have entire shells.

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#601416

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-17 17:45 -0700
Message-ID<dqra0c96tcsajsojrcrirqtvab37k04rlo@4ax.com>
In reply to#601322
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 10/17/2016 7:51 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>>>
>>> The issue is large, highly concentrated amounts and those only come
>>>from biological action, so if any large concentrated amounts of
>>> calcium based minerals were found on Mars, the headlines would be
>>> screaming about proof of previous life found on Mars.
>
>that is how limestone and marble formed on Earth, via biological action.
>

And yet marble and other calcium minerals are found on Mars.  Explain.

>
>> You're simply wrong.  All it takes to get areas with rocks having a
>> high concentration of calcium carbonate is for there to used to be
>> water there.
>
>obviously wrong.
>

So reality is obviously wrong.

>
>You are saying throw some dirt and water in a blender and watch the 
>calcium carbonate pop out.
>

No, YOU are saying that.

>
>Now show me.
>

It's impossible to show you anything.  There isn't enough dynamite in
the world to blow your head out of your ass.


-- 
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
 truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
                               -- Thomas Jefferson

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#601422

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-17 20:49 -0500
Message-ID<nu3v2u$b13$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#601416
On 10/17/2016 7:45 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/17/2016 7:51 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> The issue is large, highly concentrated amounts and those only come
>>> >from biological action, so if any large concentrated amounts of
>>>> calcium based minerals were found on Mars, the headlines would be
>>>> screaming about proof of previous life found on Mars.
>>
>> that is how limestone and marble formed on Earth, via biological action.
>>
>
> And yet marble and other calcium minerals are found on Mars.  Explain.

Cite ? or are you making stuff up again. no marble on mars

Your assertion, you explain it.  We understand if you cant....


>>> You're simply wrong.  All it takes to get areas with rocks having a
>>> high concentration of calcium carbonate is for there to used to be
>>> water there.
>>
>> obviously wrong.
>>
>
> So reality is obviously wrong.

Trumps reality or Hiellarys ?

>
>>
>> You are saying throw some dirt and water in a blender and watch the
>> calcium carbonate pop out.
>>
>
> No, YOU are saying that.

again, no thought, no chemistry background, you should have replied, 
acidic water... but tooo Late, you have been judged by a jury of your 
piers and found to be.....   too general.

>
>>
>> Now show me.
>>
>
> It's impossible to show me anything.  There isn't enough dynamite in
> the world to blow my head out of my ass.

dude, I take fiber daily.  and you are projecting again.
>
>

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#601241

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-17 05:28 -0700
Message-ID<pug90c5nkigbb95s3qpi368qcnk9scfiov@4ax.com>
In reply to#601196
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

And argument that things that rovers and probes have actually found
don't actually exist...

>On 10/16/2016 7:17 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>
>>>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".
>>>> Progress!
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Who said "not possible"?
>>>
>>> It certainly wasn't me.
>>>
>>
>> Yet that's the attitude everyone hears you having,
>
>you do not speak for everyone, you speak to yourself.
>
>>
>>>
>>> The closest thing to "not possible" I've said is that the following
>>> are unknowns on Mars.
>>>
>>> If water is available in quantity anywhere other than the poles.
>>>
>>
>> Not an unknown.  We know
>>.there are huge subsurface ice deposits
>> elsewhere than the poles.
>
>no, you dont know that.  it is only conjecture, not known.
>
>>
>>>
>>> If there are concentrated usefull mineral deposits in general and
>>>
>>
>> Not an unknown.  We know there's hematite and other iron ores.
>
>Cite?  where is your hematite mine ?
>
>iron makes the planet red, but it is not know of any concentrated 
>mineral deposits.
>
>>
>>>
>>> concentrated calcium deposits in particular as all the concentrated
>>> calcium deposits on Earth are the result of biology.
>>>
>>
>> Not an unknown.  Calcium concentrations and minerals such as dolomite
>> and marble are one of the indications on Mars that there was surface
>> water.
>
>Cite ?
>
>

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#601120

FromSerigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-10-16 14:48 -0500
Message-ID<nu0lip$1981$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#601090
On 10/16/2016 8:25 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:
> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> says...

>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> In article <j2j5dd-cab.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <4vt0dd-dap.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>

>>> return ship can produce liquid methane and LOX from the CO2 atmosphere
>>> and H2 brought on the ship.  If we end up going that route, just keep
>>> leaving nuclear reactors on Mars brought from earth on the transport
>>> ships.
>>
>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>> that is not going to be cheap.
>
> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".
> Progress!

liar.   YOU have not shown, nor demonstrated, that it is possible.

Try again, this time hire some intelligent people to help you, and lead 
you.

https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/hillary_screaming.jpg

>
> Jeff
>

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#601182

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-10-16 23:45 +0000
Message-ID<q1gddd-mh7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#601120
In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 10/16/2016 8:25 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:
>> In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>> says...
> 
>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <j2j5dd-cab.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <4vt0dd-dap.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
> 
>>>> return ship can produce liquid methane and LOX from the CO2 atmosphere
>>>> and H2 brought on the ship.  If we end up going that route, just keep
>>>> leaving nuclear reactors on Mars brought from earth on the transport
>>>> ships.
>>>
>>> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
>>> that is not going to be cheap.
>>
>> Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".
>> Progress!
> 
> liar.   YOU have not shown, nor demonstrated, that it is possible.

It is obviously possible to transport a reactor to Mars.

The question is how is it to be done; lots of small assembled reactors,
large reactors in pieces, something in between?

Likely one would want to ship the fuel separately, perhaps all in one
shipment to minimize the red tape of putting nuclear material on a rocket.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#601452

FromJeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com>
Date2016-10-18 08:48 -0400
Message-ID<MPG.326fe425e9c402e398984b@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#601120
In article <nu0lip$1981$1@gioia.aioe.org>, invalid@invalid.com says...
> 
> On 10/16/2016 8:25 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:
> > In article <a8j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> > says...
> 
> >> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <j2j5dd-cab.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>> In article <4vt0dd-dap.ln1@mail.specsol.com>, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>
> 
> >>> return ship can produce liquid methane and LOX from the CO2 atmosphere
> >>> and H2 brought on the ship.  If we end up going that route, just keep
> >>> leaving nuclear reactors on Mars brought from earth on the transport
> >>> ships.
> >>
> >> Yes, just keep sending reactors until you have enough power, however
> >> that is not going to be cheap.
> >
> > Well, we've moved from "not possible" to "possible but not cheap".
> > Progress!
> 
> liar.   YOU have not shown, nor demonstrated, that it is possible.
> 
> Try again, this time hire some intelligent people to help you, and lead 
> you.
> 
> https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/hillary_screaming.jpg

You really are proving to be an annoying little troll, unwilling to even 
look at the evidence (including cites) provided.  

Jeff
-- 
All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone.  
These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, 
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