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| Started by | kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> |
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| First post | 2018-12-11 11:17 -0500 |
| Last post | 2018-12-15 07:51 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 152 — 25 participants |
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'We are last generation that can stop climate change' kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-11 11:17 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-11 11:25 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-11 10:29 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-11 09:32 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-11 14:49 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-11 14:10 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-11 18:58 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 10:28 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 08:55 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-12 11:17 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 09:31 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-12 11:59 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 12:02 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 21:33 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 20:45 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 23:27 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 06:18 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 12:44 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-13 12:47 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 21:35 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 16:19 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-13 15:49 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 21:35 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 16:55 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-12 11:11 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 09:33 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 12:29 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 11:56 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 23:18 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 06:18 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 12:45 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-13 12:51 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-13 12:00 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 17:03 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-14 00:26 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 21:35 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 17:06 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 16:29 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 21:26 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 20:43 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 23:00 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-12-11 23:48 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 18:01 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-11 09:31 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-11 14:51 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-11 14:13 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-11 19:09 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-12-11 21:52 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-11 20:59 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-12-11 23:26 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-11 23:59 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-12-12 02:26 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 10:34 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 10:29 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 08:55 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 12:31 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-12 12:43 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 11:54 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-12-11 23:58 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-12 11:00 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 09:07 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-12 11:27 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 12:29 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-12 15:08 -0500
Re: ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซโฐ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! โฐ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ Sir Gerg teh Yechh Master ""Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake>" ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซโฐ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! โฐ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โ 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' โ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โ Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-12 14:12 -0600
Re: ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซโฐ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! โฐ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ Sir Gerg teh Yechh Master ""Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake>" ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซโฐ POTENTIAL CLOCK TOWER SHOOTER ALERT! โฐ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โ 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' โ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โโ Snowflake โ % <%> - 2018-12-12 13:15 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gregory Hall , Esq - 2018-12-12 13:13 -0700
Re: Fake Sir Greg! "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-12 20:19 +0000
Re: Fake Sir Greg! Sir Gregory Hall , Esq - 2018-12-12 13:34 -0700
Re: Fake Sir Greg! Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-12-12 17:05 -0800
Re: Fake Sir Greg! Bob Robertson <bobrobertsontsy66@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 19:57 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 13:59 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-12 14:06 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 15:59 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-12 16:05 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 16:17 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit - 2018-12-12 16:27 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-13 03:24 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 13:45 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 12:32 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 11:52 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 13:52 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-12 14:10 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-12 13:14 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-12 14:21 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-12 13:31 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-12 14:36 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gregory Hall , Esq - 2018-12-12 13:39 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-12-12 17:12 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 16:02 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-12-12 22:34 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gregory Hall , "Esq." - 2018-12-12 15:53 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 21:12 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 18:05 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 21:19 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net> - 2018-12-12 14:45 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 14:00 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-12 14:07 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-12-12 15:11 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-12 14:16 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 17:07 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-12 18:01 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 16:14 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-12 16:22 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-12 16:47 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit - 2018-12-12 17:02 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-13 03:26 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 13:45 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-13 03:25 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-13 00:54 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 13:45 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-14 19:54 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 13:45 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-13 17:09 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 16:23 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-11 11:31 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-11 11:36 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-12-11 18:57 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-11 12:05 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-11 12:08 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-11 17:09 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-11 17:53 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-12-11 14:26 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-11 12:37 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-11 22:33 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-12-11 23:59 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-11 17:10 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-11 17:52 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-12 09:35 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-12-12 22:26 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter Sir Gregory Hall , "Esq." - 2018-12-12 15:52 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-12 21:21 -0600
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter Nadegda - 2018-12-12 16:03 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> - 2018-12-12 15:07 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-12-12 23:11 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter Sir Gregory Hall , "Esq." - 2018-12-12 16:21 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-13 15:35 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-14 05:36 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2018-12-14 11:10 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-15 05:20 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-14 19:49 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-14 19:50 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-12-13 17:47 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-13 16:30 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-12-13 19:18 -0500
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-13 15:17 -0800
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-15 14:02 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-15 14:05 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-15 07:07 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' ":2 Berger:" <hrumme4224@gmail.com> - 2018-12-15 07:33 -0700
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Avenging Angel <Not.fucking.likely@NoWay.com> - 2018-12-15 14:50 +0000
Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' % <%> - 2018-12-15 07:51 -0700
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| From | Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 17:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3679ff98c390f1ca57a@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #717713 |
In article <bqlngo.utn.19.4@news.alt.net>, % says... > >On 2018-12-11 12:05 p.m., Skeeter wrote: >> In article <bqllk9.a54.19.3@news.alt.net>, % says... >>> >>> On 2018-12-11 11:31 a.m., Skeeter wrote: >>>> In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 >>>> @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >>>>> >>>>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>>>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global warming: >>>>> >>>> who cares, i will be dead then >>>> >>> i'm dead now just to one up you >> >> thats not fair >> >so , tough patooties boil them and they wont be so tuff
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| From | % <%> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 17:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bqmbnf.jgi.19.3@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #717782 |
On 2018-12-11 5:09 p.m., Skeeter wrote: > In article <bqlngo.utn.19.4@news.alt.net>, % says... >> >> On 2018-12-11 12:05 p.m., Skeeter wrote: >>> In article <bqllk9.a54.19.3@news.alt.net>, % says... >>>> >>>> On 2018-12-11 11:31 a.m., Skeeter wrote: >>>>> In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 >>>>> @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >>>>>> >>>>>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>>>>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global warming: >>>>>> >>>>> who cares, i will be dead then >>>>> >>>> i'm dead now just to one up you >>> >>> thats not fair >>> >> so , tough patooties > > boil them and they wont be so tuff > boil this
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| From | Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 14:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3679d9874cc5e3a3995a84@news.altopia.com> |
| In reply to | #717710 |
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by Checkmate! In article <bqllk9.a54.19.3@news.alt.net>, % says... >>bork >>borkOn 2018-12-11 11:31 a.m., Skeeter wrote: >>bork> In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 >>bork> @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >>bork>> >>bork>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>bork>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global warming: >>bork>> >>bork> who cares, i will be dead then >>bork> >>borki'm dead now just to one up you Great... steal my idea. -- Checkmate ยฎ Author, Humorist, Cynic Philosopher, Humanitarian Poet, Elektrishun to the Stars Usenet Shot-Caller Copyright ยฉ 2018 all rights reserved In loving memory of The Battle Kitten May 2010-February 12, 2017 "There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke." "I am the author of nearly as much kook butthurt as kensi." -Nadegda Message-ID: <pbg8ne$p9k$21@dont-email.me>
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| Date | 2018-12-11 12:37 -0700 |
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On 2018-12-11 3:26 p.m., Checkmate wrote: > Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by > Checkmate! In article <bqllk9.a54.19.3@news.alt.net>, % says... > > >>> bork >>> borkOn 2018-12-11 11:31 a.m., Skeeter wrote: >>> bork> In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 >>> bork> @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >>> bork>> >>> bork>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>> bork>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global warming: >>> bork>> >>> bork> who cares, i will be dead then >>> bork> >>> borki'm dead now just to one up you > > Great... steal my idea. > you still owe me 9,999 stolen ideas
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 22:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <puq1h4$2ch$8@dont-email.me> |
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<%> wrote in message news:bqlp6f.gr4.17.2@news.alt.net... > On 2018-12-11 3:26 p.m., Checkmate wrote: >> Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by >> Checkmate! In article <bqllk9.a54.19.3@news.alt.net>, % says... >> >> >>>> bork >>>> borkOn 2018-12-11 11:31 a.m., Skeeter wrote: >>>> bork> In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 >>>> bork> @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >>>> bork>> >>>> bork>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning >>>> that >>>> bork>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic >>>> global warming: >>>> bork>> >>>> bork> who cares, i will be dead then >>>> bork> >>>> borki'm dead now just to one up you >> >> Great... steal my idea. >> > you still owe me 9,999 stolen ideas Does that include late fees?
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| From | Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 23:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pupj08$l2v$17@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #717707 |
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:31:37 -0700, Skeeter wrote: > In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 > @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >> >>The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>warming: >> > who cares, i will be dead then Jerk. -- FNVWe Nadegda "By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
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| From | Skeeter <chico@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-11 17:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3679ffe45027b27257b@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #717781 |
In article <pupj08$l2v$17@dont-email.me>, nad318b404@gmail.invalid says... > >Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! >On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:31:37 -0700, Skeeter wrote: > >> In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 >> @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >>> >>>The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>>today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>>warming: >>> >> who cares, i will be dead then > >Jerk. No, I won't let you near me.
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| Date | 2018-12-11 17:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bqmbmc.jgi.19.2@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #717781 |
On 2018-12-11 4:59 p.m., Nadegda wrote: > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! > On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:31:37 -0700, Skeeter wrote: > >> In article <puonvp$14nt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01 >> @gmail.nospam.invalid says... >>> >>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>> warming: >>> >> who cares, i will be dead then > > Jerk. > strumpet
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| From | a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 09:35 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <purgsv02uob@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #717687 |
On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: > The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that > today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global > warming: > > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last-generation-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit > How in the world do you figure that? Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing to trample citizens, that forces green? One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. And we have watched the French fold. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu-leftists/ Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A Non-Starter 12/04/2018 French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow vests, in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and they've been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and elsewhere, protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the government's never-ending battle against global warming. Who says no one cares about climate change? If you think of the French as people who will suffer any indignity in the name of more government, think again. Many young French, watching their standards of living decline under a socialist president's high taxes, are fed up. This latest round of taxes on already outrageous fuel prices was the proverbial straw breaking a dromedary's back. "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living turned into a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing yellow jackets torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and tagged the Arc de Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP reported of Saturday's riots. Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 people took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, seeing possible damage to the economy from the demonstrations. With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public opinion, the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it would "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into effect in January. "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," said French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the suspension. French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful French socialist government. But then, the whole experience of Socialist President Emannuel Macron finding out that not everything he believes is shared by average citizens has been humbling. Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up at the demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled threat that "all options" are on the table to stop the French riots. Turns out, "all options" included giving in to the demonstrators' main demand. French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that France's leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's most serious threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn they can't just jam things down people's throats, and expect them to like it. No one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and his government did it because, to them, globalism is more important than satisfying the demands of their own citizens. It's that simple. Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest rates of taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed up. Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number of European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate change agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. But this isn't kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will feature few if any individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking standards of living, no real freedom, and little joy. EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former German Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of climate change and migration, "Countries must give up their sovereignty ... in an orderly fashion of course." "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if needed." For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the threat of global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control of their nations from their own people โ whom they demonize as "populists" โ and give it instead to the European Union. The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, excessive taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, totalitarian behavior, are troubling to say the least. Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both Switzerland and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU meeting next month to adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on migration. One big reason: The U.N. has now declared criticism of its pro-immigration policies "hate speech." Yes, that's how far we've come. Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all of us. The scientific holes in the climate change religion are enormous. Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel Prize winners have criticized the flawed science behind the theory that we inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the planet. Yet, some in Congress โ including some Republicans โ are eager to saddle Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern equivalent of the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. For a fee, of course. Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if it's "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get less global warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while reducing the scourge of unequal income. Win-win! Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it works. "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based fossil fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But fossil fuels are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part responsible for the record growth in the global economy in the past two centuries and especially over the last 18 years, helping to pull literally hundreds of millions of once-destitute people out of poverty." We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is absurd. The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" turning into just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed "climate remediation" or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by carbon taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a recipe for French-style stagnation. Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll shows what Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked climate change as No. 1 or No. 2 on their list of priorities for the new Congress. Even so, some in Congress seek literally trillions of dollars in new taxes that will distort energy markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the taxes. If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? It's called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea that will make people miserable. Ask France. The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't stupid. They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat they don't really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress do if faced with mass demonstrations? YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It Means Millions Starve? When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come
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| From | Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 22:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <pus1tq$l2v$32@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #717886 |
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple wrote: > On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >> warming: >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- generation-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit >> >> > How in the world do you figure that? > Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing to > trample citizens, that forces green? > One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, > just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by > Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. > And we have watched the French fold. > > https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- leftists/ > > Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A > Non-Starter 12/04/2018 > > French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow vests, > in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and they've > been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and elsewhere, > protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the government's > never-ending battle against global warming. Who says no one cares about > climate change? > > If you think of the French as people who will suffer any indignity in > the name of more government, think again. Many young French, watching > their standards of living decline under a socialist president's high > taxes, are fed up. This latest round of taxes on already outrageous fuel > prices was the proverbial straw breaking a dromedary's back. > > "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living turned into > a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing yellow jackets > torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and tagged the Arc de > Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP reported of Saturday's > riots. > > Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the > government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 people > took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, seeing possible > damage to the economy from the demonstrations. > > With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public opinion, > the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it would > "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into effect in > January. > > "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," said > French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the suspension. > > French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful French > socialist government. But then, the whole experience of Socialist > President Emannuel Macron finding out that not everything he believes is > shared by average citizens has been humbling. > > Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up at the > demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled threat that "all > options" are on the table to stop the French riots. Turns out, "all > options" included giving in to the demonstrators' main demand. > > French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global > warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that France's > leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's most serious > threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. > > No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn they can't > just jam things down people's throats, and expect them to like it. No > one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and his government did it > because, to them, globalism is more important than satisfying the > demands of their own citizens. It's that simple. > > Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest rates of > taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed up. > > Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number of > European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate change > agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. But this isn't > kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will feature few if any > individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking standards of living, no real > freedom, and little joy. > > EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former German > Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of climate change > and migration, "Countries must give up their sovereignty ... in an > orderly fashion of course." > > "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if needed." > > For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest > leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the threat of > global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control of their nations > from their own people โ whom they demonize as "populists" โ and give it > instead to the European Union. > > The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, excessive > taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, totalitarian behavior, > are troubling to say the least. > > Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both Switzerland > and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU meeting next month to > adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on migration. One big reason: The > U.N. has now declared criticism of its pro-immigration policies "hate > speech." Yes, that's how far we've come. > > Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? > > Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all of us. > The scientific holes in the climate change religion are enormous. > Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel Prize > winners have criticized the flawed science behind the theory that we > inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the planet. > > Yet, some in Congress โ including some Republicans โ are eager to saddle > Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern equivalent of > the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. For a fee, of course. > Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. > > The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if it's > "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get less global > warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while reducing the scourge of > unequal income. Win-win! > > Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it works. > > "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based fossil > fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But fossil fuels > are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part responsible for the > record growth in the global economy in the past two centuries and > especially over the last 18 years, helping to pull literally hundreds of > millions of once-destitute people out of poverty." > > We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is absurd. > The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" turning into > just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed "climate remediation" > or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by carbon > taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a recipe for > French-style stagnation. > > Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll shows what > Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked climate change as No. 1 > or No. 2 on their list of priorities for the new Congress. Even so, some > in Congress seek literally trillions of dollars in new taxes that will > distort energy markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the > taxes. > > If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? It's > called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea that will > make people miserable. Ask France. > > The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't stupid. > They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat they don't > really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress do if faced with > mass demonstrations? > > YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: > > Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It Means > Millions Starve? > > When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days > > Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come The market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel companies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. -- FNVWe Nadegda "By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
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| From | Sir Gregory Hall , "Esq." |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 15:52 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <bqop0o.eg2.19.9@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #717976 |
On 2018-12-12 3:26 p.m., Nadegda wrote: > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple wrote: > >> On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>> warming: >>> >>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- > generation-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit >>> >>> >> How in the world do you figure that? >> Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing to >> trample citizens, that forces green? >> One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, >> just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by >> Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. >> And we have watched the French fold. >> >> https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- > leftists/ >> >> Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A >> Non-Starter 12/04/2018 >> >> French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow vests, >> in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and they've >> been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and elsewhere, >> protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the government's >> never-ending battle against global warming. Who says no one cares about >> climate change? >> >> If you think of the French as people who will suffer any indignity in >> the name of more government, think again. Many young French, watching >> their standards of living decline under a socialist president's high >> taxes, are fed up. This latest round of taxes on already outrageous fuel >> prices was the proverbial straw breaking a dromedary's back. >> >> "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living turned into >> a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing yellow jackets >> torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and tagged the Arc de >> Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP reported of Saturday's >> riots. >> >> Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the >> government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 people >> took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, seeing possible >> damage to the economy from the demonstrations. >> >> With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public opinion, >> the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it would >> "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into effect in >> January. >> >> "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," said >> French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the suspension. >> >> French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful French >> socialist government. But then, the whole experience of Socialist >> President Emannuel Macron finding out that not everything he believes is >> shared by average citizens has been humbling. >> >> Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up at the >> demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled threat that "all >> options" are on the table to stop the French riots. Turns out, "all >> options" included giving in to the demonstrators' main demand. >> >> French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global >> warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that France's >> leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's most serious >> threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. >> >> No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn they can't >> just jam things down people's throats, and expect them to like it. No >> one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and his government did it >> because, to them, globalism is more important than satisfying the >> demands of their own citizens. It's that simple. >> >> Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest rates of >> taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed up. >> >> Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number of >> European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate change >> agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. But this isn't >> kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will feature few if any >> individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking standards of living, no real >> freedom, and little joy. >> >> EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former German >> Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of climate change >> and migration, "Countries must give up their sovereignty ... in an >> orderly fashion of course." >> >> "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if needed." >> >> For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest >> leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the threat of >> global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control of their nations >> from their own people โ whom they demonize as "populists" โ and give it >> instead to the European Union. >> >> The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, excessive >> taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, totalitarian behavior, >> are troubling to say the least. >> >> Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both Switzerland >> and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU meeting next month to >> adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on migration. One big reason: The >> U.N. has now declared criticism of its pro-immigration policies "hate >> speech." Yes, that's how far we've come. >> >> Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? >> >> Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all of us. >> The scientific holes in the climate change religion are enormous. >> Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel Prize >> winners have criticized the flawed science behind the theory that we >> inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the planet. >> >> Yet, some in Congress โ including some Republicans โ are eager to saddle >> Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern equivalent of >> the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. For a fee, of course. >> Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. >> >> The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if it's >> "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get less global >> warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while reducing the scourge of >> unequal income. Win-win! >> >> Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it works. >> >> "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based fossil >> fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But fossil fuels >> are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part responsible for the >> record growth in the global economy in the past two centuries and >> especially over the last 18 years, helping to pull literally hundreds of >> millions of once-destitute people out of poverty." >> >> We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is absurd. >> The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" turning into >> just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed "climate remediation" >> or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by carbon >> taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a recipe for >> French-style stagnation. >> >> Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll shows what >> Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked climate change as No. 1 >> or No. 2 on their list of priorities for the new Congress. Even so, some >> in Congress seek literally trillions of dollars in new taxes that will >> distort energy markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the >> taxes. >> >> If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? It's >> called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea that will >> make people miserable. Ask France. >> >> The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't stupid. >> They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat they don't >> really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress do if faced with >> mass demonstrations? >> >> YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: >> >> Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It Means >> Millions Starve? >> >> When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days >> >> Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come > > The market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel > companies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. > kensi eats pork
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 21:21 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <pusj78$i6c$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
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On 12/12/2018 4:52 PM, Sir Gregory Hall wrote: > On 2018-12-12 3:26 p.m., Nadegda wrote: >> Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! >> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >>>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>>> warming: >>>> >>>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- >> generation-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit >>>> >>>> >>> How in the world do you figure that? >>> Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing to >>> trample citizens, that forces green? >>> One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, >>> just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by >>> Governor Inslee, (yet again!)ย It lost badly. >>> And we have watched the French fold. >>> >>> https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- >> leftists/ >>> >>> Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A >>> Non-Starter 12/04/2018 >>> >>> French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow vests, >>> in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and they've >>> been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and elsewhere, >>> protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the government's >>> never-ending battle against global warming. Who says no one cares about >>> climate change? >>> >>> If you think of the French as people who will suffer any indignity in >>> the name of more government, think again. Many young French, watching >>> their standards of living decline under a socialist president's high >>> taxes, are fed up. This latest round of taxes on already outrageous fuel >>> prices was the proverbial straw breaking a dromedary's back. >>> >>> "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living turned into >>> a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing yellow jackets >>> torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and tagged the Arc de >>> Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP reported of Saturday's >>> riots. >>> >>> Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the >>> government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 people >>> took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, seeing possible >>> damage to the economy from the demonstrations. >>> >>> With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public opinion, >>> the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it would >>> "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into effect in >>> January. >>> >>> "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," said >>> French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the suspension. >>> >>> French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful French >>> socialist government. But then, the whole experience of Socialist >>> President Emannuel Macron finding out that not everything he believes is >>> shared by average citizens has been humbling. >>> >>> Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up at the >>> demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled threat that "all >>> options" are on the table to stop the French riots. Turns out, "all >>> options" included giving in to the demonstrators' main demand. >>> >>> French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global >>> warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that France's >>> leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's most serious >>> threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. >>> >>> No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn they can't >>> just jam things down people's throats, and expect them to like it. No >>> one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and his government did it >>> because, to them, globalism is more important than satisfying the >>> demands of their own citizens. It's that simple. >>> >>> Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest rates of >>> taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed up. >>> >>> Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number of >>> European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate change >>> agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. But this isn't >>> kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will feature few if any >>> individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking standards of living, no real >>> freedom, and little joy. >>> >>> EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former German >>> Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of climate change >>> and migration, "Countries must give up their sovereignty ... in an >>> orderly fashion of course." >>> >>> "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if needed." >>> >>> For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest >>> leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the threat of >>> global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control of their nations >>> from their own people โ whom they demonize as "populists" โ and give it >>> instead to the European Union. >>> >>> The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, excessive >>> taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, totalitarian behavior, >>> are troubling to say the least. >>> >>> Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both Switzerland >>> and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU meeting next month to >>> adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on migration. One big reason: The >>> U.N. has now declared criticism of its pro-immigration policies "hate >>> speech." Yes, that's how far we've come. >>> >>> Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? >>> >>> Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all of us. >>> The scientific holes in the climate change religion are enormous. >>> Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel Prize >>> winners have criticized the flawed science behind the theory that we >>> inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the planet. >>> >>> Yet, some in Congress โ including some Republicans โ are eager to saddle >>> Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern equivalent of >>> the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. For a fee, of course. >>> Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. >>> >>> The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if it's >>> "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get less global >>> warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while reducing the scourge of >>> unequal income. Win-win! >>> >>> Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it works. >>> >>> "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based fossil >>> fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But fossil fuels >>> are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part responsible for the >>> record growth in the global economy in the past two centuries and >>> especially over the last 18 years, helping to pull literally hundreds of >>> millions of once-destitute people out of poverty." >>> >>> We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is absurd. >>> The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" turning into >>> just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed "climate remediation" >>> or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by carbon >>> taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a recipe for >>> French-style stagnation. >>> >>> Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll shows what >>> Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked climate change as No. 1 >>> or No. 2 on their list of priorities for the new Congress. Even so, some >>> in Congress seek literally trillions of dollars in new taxes that will >>> distort energy markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the >>> taxes. >>> >>> If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? It's >>> called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea that will >>> make people miserable. Ask France. >>> >>> The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't stupid. >>> They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat they don't >>> really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress do if faced with >>> mass demonstrations? >>> >>> YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: >>> >>> Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It Means >>> Millions Starve? >>> >>> When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days >>> >>> Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come >> >> The market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel >> companies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. >> > kensi eats pork with cheese
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| Date | 2018-12-12 16:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <bqopld.skq.19.1@news.alt.net> |
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On 2018-12-12 3:26 p.m., Nadegda wrote: > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple wrote: > >> On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>> warming: >>> >>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- > generation-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit >>> >>> >> How in the world do you figure that? >> Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing to >> trample citizens, that forces green? >> One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, >> just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by >> Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. >> And we have watched the French fold. >> >> https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- > leftists/ >> >> Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A >> Non-Starter 12/04/2018 >> >> French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow vests, >> in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and they've >> been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and elsewhere, >> protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the government's >> never-ending battle against global warming. Who says no one cares about >> climate change? >> >> If you think of the French as people who will suffer any indignity in >> the name of more government, think again. Many young French, watching >> their standards of living decline under a socialist president's high >> taxes, are fed up. This latest round of taxes on already outrageous fuel >> prices was the proverbial straw breaking a dromedary's back. >> >> "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living turned into >> a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing yellow jackets >> torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and tagged the Arc de >> Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP reported of Saturday's >> riots. >> >> Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the >> government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 people >> took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, seeing possible >> damage to the economy from the demonstrations. >> >> With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public opinion, >> the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it would >> "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into effect in >> January. >> >> "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," said >> French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the suspension. >> >> French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful French >> socialist government. But then, the whole experience of Socialist >> President Emannuel Macron finding out that not everything he believes is >> shared by average citizens has been humbling. >> >> Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up at the >> demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled threat that "all >> options" are on the table to stop the French riots. Turns out, "all >> options" included giving in to the demonstrators' main demand. >> >> French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global >> warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that France's >> leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's most serious >> threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. >> >> No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn they can't >> just jam things down people's throats, and expect them to like it. No >> one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and his government did it >> because, to them, globalism is more important than satisfying the >> demands of their own citizens. It's that simple. >> >> Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest rates of >> taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed up. >> >> Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number of >> European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate change >> agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. But this isn't >> kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will feature few if any >> individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking standards of living, no real >> freedom, and little joy. >> >> EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former German >> Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of climate change >> and migration, "Countries must give up their sovereignty ... in an >> orderly fashion of course." >> >> "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if needed." >> >> For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest >> leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the threat of >> global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control of their nations >> from their own people โ whom they demonize as "populists" โ and give it >> instead to the European Union. >> >> The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, excessive >> taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, totalitarian behavior, >> are troubling to say the least. >> >> Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both Switzerland >> and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU meeting next month to >> adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on migration. One big reason: The >> U.N. has now declared criticism of its pro-immigration policies "hate >> speech." Yes, that's how far we've come. >> >> Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? >> >> Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all of us. >> The scientific holes in the climate change religion are enormous. >> Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel Prize >> winners have criticized the flawed science behind the theory that we >> inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the planet. >> >> Yet, some in Congress โ including some Republicans โ are eager to saddle >> Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern equivalent of >> the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. For a fee, of course. >> Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. >> >> The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if it's >> "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get less global >> warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while reducing the scourge of >> unequal income. Win-win! >> >> Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it works. >> >> "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based fossil >> fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But fossil fuels >> are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part responsible for the >> record growth in the global economy in the past two centuries and >> especially over the last 18 years, helping to pull literally hundreds of >> millions of once-destitute people out of poverty." >> >> We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is absurd. >> The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" turning into >> just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed "climate remediation" >> or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by carbon >> taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a recipe for >> French-style stagnation. >> >> Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll shows what >> Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked climate change as No. 1 >> or No. 2 on their list of priorities for the new Congress. Even so, some >> in Congress seek literally trillions of dollars in new taxes that will >> distort energy markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the >> taxes. >> >> If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? It's >> called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea that will >> make people miserable. Ask France. >> >> The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't stupid. >> They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat they don't >> really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress do if faced with >> mass demonstrations? >> >> YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: >> >> Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It Means >> Millions Starve? >> >> When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days >> >> Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come > > The market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel > companies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. > your news reader doesn't have a killfile , stupid tit
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| From | Checkmate <oshay.shad@yahoo.corn> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 15:07 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <MPG.367b3496436933e3995abc@news.altopia.com> |
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Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by Checkmate! In article <pus1tq$l2v$32@dont-email.me>, nad318b404 @gmail.invalid says... >>bork >>borkTime to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! >>borkOn Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple wrote: >>bork >>bork> On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >>bork>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>bork>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>bork>> warming: >>bork>> >>bork>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- >>borkgeneration-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit >>bork>> >>bork>> >>bork> How in the world do you figure that? >>bork> Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing to >>bork> trample citizens, that forces green? >>bork> One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, >>bork> just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by >>bork> Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. >>bork> And we have watched the French fold. >>bork> >>bork> https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- >>borkleftists/ >>bork> >>bork> Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A >>bork> Non-Starter 12/04/2018 >>bork> >>bork> French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow vests, >>bork> in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and they've >>bork> been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and elsewhere, >>bork> protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the government's >>bork> never-ending battle against global warming. Who says no one cares about >>bork> climate change? >>bork> >>bork> If you think of the French as people who will suffer any indignity in >>bork> the name of more government, think again. Many young French, watching >>bork> their standards of living decline under a socialist president's high >>bork> taxes, are fed up. This latest round of taxes on already outrageous fuel >>bork> prices was the proverbial straw breaking a dromedary's back. >>bork> >>bork> "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living turned into >>bork> a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing yellow jackets >>bork> torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and tagged the Arc de >>bork> Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP reported of Saturday's >>bork> riots. >>bork> >>bork> Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the >>bork> government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 people >>bork> took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, seeing possible >>bork> damage to the economy from the demonstrations. >>bork> >>bork> With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public opinion, >>bork> the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it would >>bork> "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into effect in >>bork> January. >>bork> >>bork> "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," said >>bork> French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the suspension. >>bork> >>bork> French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful French >>bork> socialist government. But then, the whole experience of Socialist >>bork> President Emannuel Macron finding out that not everything he believes is >>bork> shared by average citizens has been humbling. >>bork> >>bork> Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up at the >>bork> demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled threat that "all >>bork> options" are on the table to stop the French riots. Turns out, "all >>bork> options" included giving in to the demonstrators' main demand. >>bork> >>bork> French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global >>bork> warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that France's >>bork> leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's most serious >>bork> threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. >>bork> >>bork> No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn they can't >>bork> just jam things down people's throats, and expect them to like it. No >>bork> one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and his government did it >>bork> because, to them, globalism is more important than satisfying the >>bork> demands of their own citizens. It's that simple. >>bork> >>bork> Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest rates of >>bork> taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed up. >>bork> >>bork> Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number of >>bork> European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate change >>bork> agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. But this isn't >>bork> kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will feature few if any >>bork> individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking standards of living, no real >>bork> freedom, and little joy. >>bork> >>bork> EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former German >>bork> Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of climate change >>bork> and migration, "Countries must give up their sovereignty ... in an >>bork> orderly fashion of course." >>bork> >>bork> "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if needed." >>bork> >>bork> For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest >>bork> leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the threat of >>bork> global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control of their nations >>bork> from their own people ? whom they demonize as "populists" ? and give it >>bork> instead to the European Union. >>bork> >>bork> The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, excessive >>bork> taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, totalitarian behavior, >>bork> are troubling to say the least. >>bork> >>bork> Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both Switzerland >>bork> and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU meeting next month to >>bork> adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on migration. One big reason: The >>bork> U.N. has now declared criticism of its pro-immigration policies "hate >>bork> speech." Yes, that's how far we've come. >>bork> >>bork> Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? >>bork> >>bork> Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all of us. >>bork> The scientific holes in the climate change religion are enormous. >>bork> Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel Prize >>bork> winners have criticized the flawed science behind the theory that we >>bork> inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the planet. >>bork> >>bork> Yet, some in Congress ? including some Republicans ? are eager to saddle >>bork> Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern equivalent of >>bork> the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. For a fee, of course. >>bork> Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. >>bork> >>bork> The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if it's >>bork> "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get less global >>bork> warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while reducing the scourge of >>bork> unequal income. Win-win! >>bork> >>bork> Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it works. >>bork> >>bork> "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based fossil >>bork> fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But fossil fuels >>bork> are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part responsible for the >>bork> record growth in the global economy in the past two centuries and >>bork> especially over the last 18 years, helping to pull literally hundreds of >>bork> millions of once-destitute people out of poverty." >>bork> >>bork> We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is absurd. >>bork> The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" turning into >>bork> just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed "climate remediation" >>bork> or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by carbon >>bork> taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a recipe for >>bork> French-style stagnation. >>bork> >>bork> Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll shows what >>bork> Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked climate change as No. 1 >>bork> or No. 2 on their list of priorities for the new Congress. Even so, some >>bork> in Congress seek literally trillions of dollars in new taxes that will >>bork> distort energy markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the >>bork> taxes. >>bork> >>bork> If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? It's >>bork> called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea that will >>bork> make people miserable. Ask France. >>bork> >>bork> The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't stupid. >>bork> They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat they don't >>bork> really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress do if faced with >>bork> mass demonstrations? >>bork> >>bork> YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: >>bork> >>bork> Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It Means >>bork> Millions Starve? >>bork> >>bork> When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days >>bork> >>bork> Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come >>bork >>borkThe market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel >>borkcompanies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. No, they'd just pass it on to consumers, so consumers would end up paying their own "carbon tax" along with the corporation's "carbon tax". -- Checkmate ยฎ Author, Humorist, Cynic Philosopher, Humanitarian Poet, Elektrishun to the Stars Usenet Shot-Caller Copyright ยฉ 2018 all rights reserved In loving memory of The Battle Kitten May 2010-February 12, 2017 "There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke." "I am the author of nearly as much kook butthurt as kensi." -Nadegda Message-ID: <pbg8ne$p9k$21@dont-email.me>
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| From | Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 23:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <pus4jk$l2v$40@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #718010 |
Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:07:35 -0800, Checkmate wrote: > Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by > Checkmate! In article <pus1tq$l2v$32@dont-email.me>, nad318b404 > @gmail.invalid says... > > >>>bork borkTime to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, >>>snowflakes, melt! borkOn Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple >>>wrote: >>>bork bork> On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >>>bork>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning >>>that bork>> today's generation is the last that can prevent >>>catastrophic global bork>> warming: >>>bork>> >>>bork>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- >>>borkgeneration-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit bork>> >>>bork>> >>>bork> How in the world do you figure that? >>>bork> Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing >>>to bork> trample citizens, that forces green? >>>bork> One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, >>>bork> just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by >>>bork> Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. >>>bork> And we have watched the French fold. >>>bork> >>>bork> >>>https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- >>>borkleftists/ >>>bork> >>>bork> Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be >>>A bork> Non-Starter 12/04/2018 bork> >>>bork> French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow >>>vests, >>>bork> in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and >>>they've bork> been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and >>>elsewhere, >>>bork> protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the >>>government's bork> never-ending battle against global warming. Who says >>>no one cares about bork> climate change? >>>bork> >>>bork> If you think of the French as people who will suffer any >>>indignity in bork> the name of more government, think again. Many young >>>French, watching bork> their standards of living decline under a >>>socialist president's high bork> taxes, are fed up. This latest round >>>of taxes on already outrageous fuel bork> prices was the proverbial >>>straw breaking a dromedary's back. >>>bork> >>>bork> "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living >>>turned into bork> a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing >>>yellow jackets bork> torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and >>>tagged the Arc de bork> Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP >>>reported of Saturday's bork> riots. >>>bork> >>>bork> Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the >>>bork> government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 >>>people bork> took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, >>>seeing possible bork> damage to the economy from the demonstrations. >>>bork> >>>bork> With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public >>>opinion, bork> the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it >>>would bork> "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into >>>effect in bork> January. >>>bork> >>>bork> "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," >>>said bork> French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the >>>suspension. bork> >>>bork> French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful >>>French bork> socialist government. But then, the whole experience of >>>Socialist bork> President Emannuel Macron finding out that not >>>everything he believes is bork> shared by average citizens has been >>>humbling. >>>bork> >>>bork> Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up >>>at the bork> demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled >>>threat that "all bork> options" are on the table to stop the French >>>riots. Turns out, "all bork> options" included giving in to the >>>demonstrators' main demand. >>>bork> >>>bork> French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global >>>bork> warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that >>>France's bork> leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's >>>most serious bork> threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. >>>bork> >>>bork> No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn >>>they can't bork> just jam things down people's throats, and expect them >>>to like it. No bork> one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and >>>his government did it bork> because, to them, globalism is more >>>important than satisfying the bork> demands of their own citizens. It's >>>that simple. >>>bork> >>>bork> Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest >>>rates of bork> taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed >>>up. >>>bork> >>>bork> Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number >>>of bork> European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate >>>change bork> agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. >>>But this isn't bork> kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will >>>feature few if any bork> individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking >>>standards of living, no real bork> freedom, and little joy. >>>bork> >>>bork> EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former >>>German bork> Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of >>>climate change bork> and migration, "Countries must give up their >>>sovereignty ... in an bork> orderly fashion of course." >>>bork> >>>bork> "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if >>>needed." bork> >>>bork> For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest >>>bork> leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the >>>threat of bork> global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control >>>of their nations bork> from their own people ? whom they demonize as >>>"populists" ? and give it bork> instead to the European Union. >>>bork> >>>bork> The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, >>>excessive bork> taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, >>>totalitarian behavior, bork> are troubling to say the least. >>>bork> >>>bork> Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both >>>Switzerland bork> and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU >>>meeting next month to bork> adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on >>>migration. One big reason: The bork> U.N. has now declared criticism of >>>its pro-immigration policies "hate bork> speech." Yes, that's how far >>>we've come. >>>bork> >>>bork> Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? >>>bork> >>>bork> Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all >>>of us. bork> The scientific holes in the climate change religion are >>>enormous. >>>bork> Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel >>>Prize bork> winners have criticized the flawed science behind the >>>theory that we bork> inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the >>>planet. >>>bork> >>>bork> Yet, some in Congress ? including some Republicans ? are eager to >>>saddle bork> Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern >>>equivalent of bork> the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. >>>For a fee, of course. >>>bork> Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. >>>bork> >>>bork> The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if >>>it's bork> "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get >>>less global bork> warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while >>>reducing the scourge of bork> unequal income. Win-win! >>>bork> >>>bork> Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it >>>works. bork> >>>bork> "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based >>>fossil bork> fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But >>>fossil fuels bork> are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part >>>responsible for the bork> record growth in the global economy in the >>>past two centuries and bork> especially over the last 18 years, helping >>>to pull literally hundreds of bork> millions of once-destitute people >>>out of poverty." >>>bork> >>>bork> We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is >>>absurd. bork> The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" >>>turning into bork> just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed >>>"climate remediation" >>>bork> or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by >>>carbon bork> taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a >>>recipe for bork> French-style stagnation. >>>bork> >>>bork> Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll >>>shows what bork> Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked >>>climate change as No. 1 bork> or No. 2 on their list of priorities for >>>the new Congress. Even so, some bork> in Congress seek literally >>>trillions of dollars in new taxes that will bork> distort energy >>>markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the bork> taxes. >>>bork> >>>bork> If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? >>>It's bork> called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea >>>that will bork> make people miserable. Ask France. >>>bork> >>>bork> The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't >>>stupid. bork> They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat >>>they don't bork> really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress >>>do if faced with bork> mass demonstrations? >>>bork> >>>bork> YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: >>>bork> >>>bork> Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It >>>Means bork> Millions Starve? >>>bork> >>>bork> When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days >>>bork> >>>bork> Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come bork borkThe >>>market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel >>>borkcompanies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. > > No Would too! -- FNVWe Nadegda "By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM Skeeter admits he mooches his mother's laptop: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154073947600
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| From | Sir Gregory Hall , "Esq." |
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| Date | 2018-12-12 16:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <bqoqn8.skq.19.21@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #718015 |
On 2018-12-12 4:11 p.m., Nadegda wrote: > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 15:07:35 -0800, Checkmate wrote: > >> Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by >> Checkmate! In article <pus1tq$l2v$32@dont-email.me>, nad318b404 >> @gmail.invalid says... >> >> >>>> bork borkTime to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, >>>> snowflakes, melt! borkOn Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple >>>> wrote: >>>> bork bork> On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >>>> bork>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning >>>> that bork>> today's generation is the last that can prevent >>>> catastrophic global bork>> warming: >>>> bork>> >>>> bork>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- >>>> borkgeneration-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit bork>> >>>> bork>> >>>> bork> How in the world do you figure that? >>>> bork> Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing >>>> to bork> trample citizens, that forces green? >>>> bork> One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, >>>> bork> just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by >>>> bork> Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. >>>> bork> And we have watched the French fold. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> >>>> https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- >>>> borkleftists/ >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be >>>> A bork> Non-Starter 12/04/2018 bork> >>>> bork> French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow >>>> vests, >>>> bork> in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and >>>> they've bork> been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and >>>> elsewhere, >>>> bork> protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the >>>> government's bork> never-ending battle against global warming. Who says >>>> no one cares about bork> climate change? >>>> bork> >>>> bork> If you think of the French as people who will suffer any >>>> indignity in bork> the name of more government, think again. Many young >>>> French, watching bork> their standards of living decline under a >>>> socialist president's high bork> taxes, are fed up. This latest round >>>> of taxes on already outrageous fuel bork> prices was the proverbial >>>> straw breaking a dromedary's back. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> "A protest against rising taxes and the high cost of living >>>> turned into bork> a riot in the French capital, as activists wearing >>>> yellow jackets bork> torched cars, smashed windows, looted stores and >>>> tagged the Arc de bork> Triomphe with multi-colored graffiti," the AP >>>> reported of Saturday's bork> riots. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Some 263 people were injured, including dozens of police, and the >>>> bork> government made hundreds of arrests, after an estimated 36,000 >>>> people bork> took to the streets on Saturday. Even unions are upset, >>>> seeing possible bork> damage to the economy from the demonstrations. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> With a growing awareness it was losing the battle for public >>>> opinion, bork> the French government on Tuesday folded, announcing it >>>> would bork> "temporarily" suspend its carbon-tax plan, set to go into >>>> effect in bork> January. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> "No tax is worth putting in danger the unity of the nations," >>>> said bork> French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, announcing the >>>> suspension. bork> >>>> bork> French Riots: A Tax Revolt That's quite a u-turn for the prideful >>>> French bork> socialist government. But then, the whole experience of >>>> Socialist bork> President Emannuel Macron finding out that not >>>> everything he believes is bork> shared by average citizens has been >>>> humbling. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Macron no doubt was surprised when he was booed when he showed up >>>> at the bork> demonstrations. His spokesman issued a thinly veiled >>>> threat that "all bork> options" are on the table to stop the French >>>> riots. Turns out, "all bork> options" included giving in to the >>>> demonstrators' main demand. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> French Prime Minister Philippe even canceled his trip to a global >>>> bork> warming conference in Poland. That's something, given that >>>> France's bork> leaders constantly claim global warming is humankind's >>>> most serious bork> threat. Apparently, French riots rank higher. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> No, we're not happy people rioted. But governments must learn >>>> they can't bork> just jam things down people's throats, and expect them >>>> to like it. No bork> one asked Macron to raise energy taxes. Macron and >>>> his government did it bork> because, to them, globalism is more >>>> important than satisfying the bork> demands of their own citizens. It's >>>> that simple. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Today, among all OECD nations, France has the second-highest >>>> rates of bork> taxation. Only Denmark ranks higher. So people are fed >>>> up. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Nor is it just a "French thing." Macron is among a growing number >>>> of bork> European leftist leaders who want to foist the anti-climate >>>> change bork> agenda on their citizens as part of this new globalism. >>>> But this isn't bork> kumbaya, feel-good globalism; it's one that will >>>> feature few if any bork> individual rights, lots of taxes, shrinking >>>> standards of living, no real bork> freedom, and little joy. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> EU รber Alles Across the border in Germany, soon-to-be-former >>>> German bork> Chancellor Angela Merkel recently said that, on behalf of >>>> climate change bork> and migration, "Countries must give up their >>>> sovereignty ... in an bork> orderly fashion of course." >>>> bork> >>>> bork> "Orderly," by the way, is a German euphemism for "by force, if >>>> needed." bork> >>>> bork> For those who don't know, Macron and Merkel are the two strongest >>>> bork> leaders in the EU. Their goal, stated outright, is to use the >>>> threat of bork> global warming and unbridled migration to wrest control >>>> of their nations bork> from their own people ? whom they demonize as >>>> "populists" ? and give it bork> instead to the European Union. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> The EU's record of economic incompetence, absurd regulation, >>>> excessive bork> taxation, preening corruption and, increasingly, >>>> totalitarian behavior, bork> are troubling to say the least. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Not everyone's buying in to this mandatory globalism. Both >>>> Switzerland bork> and Italy have announced they'll not attend an EU >>>> meeting next month to bork> adopt the U.N.'s new legal guidelines on >>>> migration. One big reason: The bork> U.N. has now declared criticism of >>>> its pro-immigration policies "hate bork> speech." Yes, that's how far >>>> we've come. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Carbon Tax, Coming Our Way Should we care? >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Yes, because leftists here have the same things in mind for all >>>> of us. bork> The scientific holes in the climate change religion are >>>> enormous. >>>> bork> Literally thousands of engineers, scientists, academics and Nobel >>>> Prize bork> winners have criticized the flawed science behind the >>>> theory that we bork> inevitably face disastrous over-heating of the >>>> planet. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Yet, some in Congress ? including some Republicans ? are eager to >>>> saddle bork> Americans with a massive new "carbon tax." It's the modern >>>> equivalent of bork> the medieval church granting indulgences for sins. >>>> For a fee, of course. >>>> bork> Pay us, and your sins will be remitted. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> The idea is that Americans will accept a high tax on energy if >>>> it's bork> "rebated" on an equal basis to everyone. That way, we get >>>> less global bork> warming gas emitted into our atmosphere, while >>>> reducing the scourge of bork> unequal income. Win-win! >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Except, as we've noted repeatedly in the past, that's not how it >>>> works. bork> >>>> bork> "The superficial purpose, of course, is to make carbon-based >>>> fossil bork> fuels more expensive to use," we wrote back in April. "But >>>> fossil fuels bork> are a blessing, not a curse. They are in large part >>>> responsible for the bork> record growth in the global economy in the >>>> past two centuries and bork> especially over the last 18 years, helping >>>> to pull literally hundreds of bork> millions of once-destitute people >>>> out of poverty." >>>> bork> >>>> bork> We wouldn't change a word of that. And the idea of "rebates" is >>>> absurd. bork> The U.S. would always be one election away from "rebates" >>>> turning into bork> just another tax-grab by Congress for badly needed >>>> "climate remediation" >>>> bork> or some other hokey purpose. Meanwhile, businesses affected by >>>> carbon bork> taxes would hire fewer workers and invest less. It's a >>>> recipe for bork> French-style stagnation. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Climate Change, Climate Yawn Our just-released IBD/TIPP Poll >>>> shows what bork> Americans think about all this. Just 17% ranked >>>> climate change as No. 1 bork> or No. 2 on their list of priorities for >>>> the new Congress. Even so, some bork> in Congress seek literally >>>> trillions of dollars in new taxes that will bork> distort energy >>>> markets and hand rebates to those who don't even pay the bork> taxes. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> If no one likes the idea, why would Congress push it so hard? >>>> It's bork> called "redistribution," and it's yet another socialist idea >>>> that will bork> make people miserable. Ask France. >>>> bork> >>>> bork> The U.S. shouldn't travel down France's road. Americans aren't >>>> stupid. bork> They won't accept a massive new tax to prevent a threat >>>> they don't bork> really believe in. We wonder: What will our Congress >>>> do if faced with bork> mass demonstrations? >>>> bork> >>>> bork> YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE: >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Is It Worth Cutting Global Warming By Tenths Of A Degree If It >>>> Means bork> Millions Starve? >>>> bork> >>>> bork> When It Comes To The Environment, These Are The Good Ol' Days >>>> bork> >>>> bork> Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come bork borkThe >>>> market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel >>>> borkcompanies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. >> >> No > > Would too! > i said no
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| From | a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-13 15:35 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <puuqc70gl2@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #717976 |
On 12/12/2018 2:26 PM, Nadegda wrote: > Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt! It is not the "right-wing snowflakes" that are rioting against the French taxes on fuel. > On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:27 -0800, a425couple wrote: >> On 12/11/2018 8:17 AM, kensi wrote: >>> The UN climate change summit begins on Monday with a warning that >>> today's generation is the last that can prevent catastrophic global >>> warming: >>> >>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/03/we-are-last- > generation-that-can-stop-climate-change-un-summit >>> >> How in the world do you figure that? >> Suddenly, you think you can create a cruel dictatorship willing to >> trample citizens, that forces green? >> One of the greenest states - and bluest - Washington, >> just had a 'dressed up' carbon tax on the ballot really pushed by >> Governor Inslee, (yet again!) It lost badly. >> And we have watched the French fold. >> >> https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/french-riots-climate-eu- > leftists/ >> >> Memo To Congress: French Riots Show Why U.S. Carbon Tax Should Be A >> Non-Starter 12/04/2018 >> >> French Riots: They call themselves the "Gilets Jaunes," or yellow vests, >> in French. They're mostly young, male and extremely angry, and they've >> been marching in the streets and rioting in Paris and elsewhere, >> protesting yet another bunch of taxes on gasoline in the government's >> never-ending battle against global warming. Who says no one cares about >> climate change? >> Carbon Tax: A Bad Idea Whose Time Should Never Come > > The market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel > companies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. Regular citizens, both conservatives and many liberals want warm houses, cooked food, and ability to travel where they want. That can only be done at reasonable cost by using the blessings we find in our ground - fossil fuels!
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| From | kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-14 05:36 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <pv012u$oho$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #718249 |
On 12/13/2018 6:35 PM, a425couple wrote: > On 12/12/2018 2:26 PM, Nadegda wrote: >> The market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel >> companies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. > > Regular citizens, both conservatives and many liberals > want warm houses, cooked food, and ability to travel > where they want. True. > That can only be done at reasonable cost by using the > blessings we find in our ground - fossil fuels! False. There are other energy sources. Heating and cooking can be done electrically, and the power can come from renewables. Travel can be done by electric or other eco-friendly vehicle. -- "To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks "I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade in here." ~Checkmate
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| From | "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> |
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| Date | 2018-12-14 11:10 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <82l71ehgv53o6njp060alo8ak21kvc60u3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #718316 |
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 05:36:09 -0500, kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> wrote: >On 12/13/2018 6:35 PM, a425couple wrote: >> On 12/12/2018 2:26 PM, Nadegda wrote: >> >>> The market is *already* distorted by externalities. Forcing fossil fuel >>> companies to internalize those costs would *un*distort it. >> >> Regular citizens, both conservatives and many liberals >> want warm houses, cooked food, and ability to travel >> where they want. > >True. > >> That can only be done at reasonable cost by using the >> blessings we find in our ground - fossil fuels! > >False. There are other energy sources. Heating and cooking can be done >electrically, and the power can come from renewables. Travel can be done >by electric or other eco-friendly vehicle. Nope, you are wrong again, kensi. 1) electricity is currently produced to a very large extent by the burning of fossil fuels 2) changing over to *renewables* will be hugely expensive because sufficiently advanced technology does not exist at this time. And, to quote the OP, "That can only be done at reasonable cost by using the blessings we find in our ground - fossil fuels!" I can envision one possible panacea and that is nuclear fusion so, as a physicist, why don't you get off your fat and lazy ass and conduct some viable research into nuclear fusion instead of rabble rousing about global warming and CO2. Invent a fusion reactor that uses CO2 for fuck's sake. -- Yours Truly, Gregรธry Hall, Bombastic Loudmouth of the South.
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| From | kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-12-15 05:20 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: 'We are last generation that can stop climate change' Carbon Tax non-starter |
| Message-ID | <pv2khh$1tt2$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #718337 |
On 12/14/2018 11:10 AM, stinky puddles piddled: > Nope, you are wrong again, kensi. > > 1) electricity is currently produced to a very large > extent by the burning of fossil fuels True. > 2) changing over to *renewables* will be hugely > expensive because sufficiently advanced technology > does not exist at this time. False. > And, to qu<MUSHROOM CLOUD!> That's enough out of you for now, k0Oky. -- "To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks "I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade in here." ~Checkmate
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