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| Started by | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-03-30 08:05 -0700 |
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Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 08:05 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-03-30 20:07 +0200
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-30 16:04 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-03-31 05:40 +0200
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-30 22:06 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-03-31 20:04 +0200
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Bite My Shiny Metal Ass <bender@the.future> - 2016-04-01 01:15 +0800
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-03-31 18:23 +0100
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Skeet <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-31 11:40 -0600
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-03-31 14:04 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-04-01 08:33 +0200
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Skeet <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-01 03:25 -0600
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Mustaffa Sheboygan <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-04-01 11:02 -0700
latt-ices noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 13:44 -0700
Re: latt-ices James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 18:28 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 18:06 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-04-04 07:27 +0200
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-30 23:29 +0000
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 17:33 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-31 02:36 +0000
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 20:43 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-31 04:12 +0000
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 21:44 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-31 06:04 +0000
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 07:33 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-03-31 17:09 +0000
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 00:01 -0700
Re: Why Lattice Ice is the Biggest Obstacle to Resolving the Water Structure Problem James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 00:08 -0700
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 20:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8efea6ad-0288-47f7-b6a3-ffe2aab4ed57@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #566813 |
On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water > >> > structure problem is psychological > >> > >> Namely, that you are bat shit crazy and refuse to even look at hundreds > >> of years of experimentally proven science. > >> > >> That hundreds of years of science being available through both web > >> links and text books, both of which have been spoon fed to you time and > >> again and ignored every time. > > > > Like you have the remotest clue. > > I was one of the people that spoon fed you links and book titles that > you ignored. That's how dimwits make arguments. They provide links that any idiot can find on a computer.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-31 04:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlkusc-jkj.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #566820 |
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water >> >> > structure problem is psychological >> >> >> >> Namely, that you are bat shit crazy and refuse to even look at hundreds >> >> of years of experimentally proven science. >> >> >> >> That hundreds of years of science being available through both web >> >> links and text books, both of which have been spoon fed to you time and >> >> again and ignored every time. >> > >> > Like you have the remotest clue. >> >> I was one of the people that spoon fed you links and book titles that >> you ignored. > > That's how dimwits make arguments. They provide links that any idiot > can find on a computer. Non sequitur. I said links and BOOK TITLES that you ignored and continue to ignore. That is how kooks make arguements, they ignore all eveidence then claim it doesn't exist. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-30 21:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fc9f052b-c6fc-43d8-9c5f-1fdf59bd58ad@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #566834 |
On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 9:31:05 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water > >> >> > structure problem is psychological > >> >> > >> >> Namely, that you are bat shit crazy and refuse to even look at hundreds > >> >> of years of experimentally proven science. > >> >> > >> >> That hundreds of years of science being available through both web > >> >> links and text books, both of which have been spoon fed to you time and > >> >> again and ignored every time. > >> > > >> > Like you have the remotest clue. > >> > >> I was one of the people that spoon fed you links and book titles that > >> you ignored. > > > > That's how dimwits make arguments. They provide links that any idiot > > can find on a computer. > > Non sequitur. > > I said links and BOOK TITLES that you ignored and continue to ignore. Oh yeah, that makes a difference. > > That is how kooks make arguements, they ignore all eveidence then claim > it doesn't exist. Nitwit.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-31 06:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <a8rusc-k9k.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #566837 |
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 9:31:05 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water >> >> >> > structure problem is psychological >> >> >> >> >> >> Namely, that you are bat shit crazy and refuse to even look at hundreds >> >> >> of years of experimentally proven science. >> >> >> >> >> >> That hundreds of years of science being available through both web >> >> >> links and text books, both of which have been spoon fed to you time and >> >> >> again and ignored every time. >> >> > >> >> > Like you have the remotest clue. >> >> >> >> I was one of the people that spoon fed you links and book titles that >> >> you ignored. >> > >> > That's how dimwits make arguments. They provide links that any idiot >> > can find on a computer. >> >> Non sequitur. >> >> I said links and BOOK TITLES that you ignored and continue to ignore. > > Oh yeah, that makes a difference. It would if your delusions would allow you to comprehend what was written. >> That is how kooks make arguements, they ignore all eveidence then claim >> it doesn't exist. > > Nitwit. Kook. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-31 07:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <71846caf-4f00-476e-b991-9fc3845b5cf0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #566905 |
On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 6:05:06 AM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 9:31:05 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water > >> >> >> > structure problem is psychological > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Namely, that you are bat shit crazy and refuse to even look at hundreds > >> >> >> of years of experimentally proven science. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That hundreds of years of science being available through both web > >> >> >> links and text books, both of which have been spoon fed to you time and > >> >> >> again and ignored every time. > >> >> > > >> >> > Like you have the remotest clue. > >> >> > >> >> I was one of the people that spoon fed you links and book titles that > >> >> you ignored. > >> > > >> > That's how dimwits make arguments. They provide links that any idiot > >> > can find on a computer. > >> > >> Non sequitur. > >> > >> I said links and BOOK TITLES that you ignored and continue to ignore. > > > > Oh yeah, that makes a difference. > > It would if your delusions would allow you to comprehend what was written. > > >> That is how kooks make arguements, they ignore all eveidence then claim > >> it doesn't exist. > > > > Nitwit. > > Kook. But, but, . . . I . . . I dropped links and book titles . . . Uh. . . .
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-03-31 17:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n620tc-9uo.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #566921 |
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 6:05:06 AM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 9:31:05 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water >> >> >> >> > structure problem is psychological >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Namely, that you are bat shit crazy and refuse to even look at hundreds >> >> >> >> of years of experimentally proven science. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That hundreds of years of science being available through both web >> >> >> >> links and text books, both of which have been spoon fed to you time and >> >> >> >> again and ignored every time. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Like you have the remotest clue. >> >> >> >> >> >> I was one of the people that spoon fed you links and book titles that >> >> >> you ignored. >> >> > >> >> > That's how dimwits make arguments. They provide links that any idiot >> >> > can find on a computer. >> >> >> >> Non sequitur. >> >> >> >> I said links and BOOK TITLES that you ignored and continue to ignore. >> > >> > Oh yeah, that makes a difference. >> >> It would if your delusions would allow you to comprehend what was written. >> >> >> That is how kooks make arguements, they ignore all eveidence then claim >> >> it doesn't exist. >> > >> > Nitwit. >> >> Kook. > > But, but, . . . I . . . I dropped links and book titles . . . Uh. . . . In your delusional state you refuse to accept their existence much less read them. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-01 00:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c681fc2c-77c7-4b8e-bd94-62a810dbb8d7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #566649 |
On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 6:05:55 PM UTC+3, James McGinn wrote: > http://www.danielcelton.com/2016/01/21/an-introduction-to-the-water-structure-problem/#comment-81 > > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water structure problem is psychological, the tendency for humans to be aesthetically attracted to idealized notions. And, in this case, that manifests itself in this absurd notion that the structure of ice is the result of water molecules forming into a lattice. This notion was assumed back in the 1930's and persists despite the fact it has never been verified. It is believed. And it is a huge obstacle because it gives researchers the false belief that they can ignore what is actually the best evidence we will ever have to untangle the water structure problem, that being the evidence associated with the transition between liquid water and solid ice. > > If researchers were forced to admit that the body of evidence associated with this transition was not yet properly explained they would be forced to conclude that there must be some mechanism that is activating polarity over this transition. (Because without this there is no way to reconcile why and how this transition is so discrete and why and how there is such a sharp distinction between the hardness of ice and the fluidity of liquid water.) And this would force them to recognize that, therefore, polarity must be turned off (neutralized) in liquid water. And this would force them to seek out the mechanism that achieves this polarity neutralization in liquid water--which I've already discovered: https://zenodo.org/record/37224 > > As with much of what can be found in the literature of the structure of bulk water, the notion that water molecules can arrange themselves into a lattice is idealized, pseudo-scientific, phantasmagorical fiction. It is a science-based fairy tale. Only after researchers can psychologically bring themselves to admit that this notion is nonsense will there be any chance of making progress. Of course that means that no progress will be made until the people that lead the sheep in this intellectually dead discipline retire or die. > > James McGinn > jimmcginn9 at gmail dot com ================================== see Google 'the Y Porat model - an abstract' you can see there the CLOSE COMPACT HEXAGONAL 3d STRUCTURE (C C H S ) that is the structure of ice 2 the main actor' of water is Oxygen not hydrogen !! ATB Y.Porat ========================
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-01 00:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d8950daf-d303-4364-9387-64b5d10b5922@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #567152 |
On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 12:01:21 AM UTC-7, Y.Porat wrote: > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 6:05:55 PM UTC+3, James McGinn wrote: > > http://www.danielcelton.com/2016/01/21/an-introduction-to-the-water-structure-problem/#comment-81 > > > > Ultimately the biggest issue preventing the resolution of the water structure problem is psychological, the tendency for humans to be aesthetically attracted to idealized notions. And, in this case, that manifests itself in this absurd notion that the structure of ice is the result of water molecules forming into a lattice. This notion was assumed back in the 1930's and persists despite the fact it has never been verified. It is believed. And it is a huge obstacle because it gives researchers the false belief that they can ignore what is actually the best evidence we will ever have to untangle the water structure problem, that being the evidence associated with the transition between liquid water and solid ice. > > > > If researchers were forced to admit that the body of evidence associated with this transition was not yet properly explained they would be forced to conclude that there must be some mechanism that is activating polarity over this transition. (Because without this there is no way to reconcile why and how this transition is so discrete and why and how there is such a sharp distinction between the hardness of ice and the fluidity of liquid water.) And this would force them to recognize that, therefore, polarity must be turned off (neutralized) in liquid water. And this would force them to seek out the mechanism that achieves this polarity neutralization in liquid water--which I've already discovered: https://zenodo.org/record/37224 > > > > As with much of what can be found in the literature of the structure of bulk water, the notion that water molecules can arrange themselves into a lattice is idealized, pseudo-scientific, phantasmagorical fiction. It is a science-based fairy tale. Only after researchers can psychologically bring themselves to admit that this notion is nonsense will there be any chance of making progress. Of course that means that no progress will be made until the people that lead the sheep in this intellectually dead discipline retire or die. > > > > James McGinn > > jimmcginn9 at gmail dot com > > ================================== > see Google > 'the Y Porat model - an abstract' > > you can see there the > CLOSE COMPACT HEXAGONAL 3d STRUCTURE (C C H S ) > that is the structure of ice > 2 > the main actor' of water is Oxygen > not hydrogen !! > ATB > Y.Porat > ======================== Read what I wrote.
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