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  Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 03:06 -0700
    Re: Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-09 10:42 -0700
    Re: Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier. Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-09 19:48 +0000
      China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 16:12 -0700
        Re: China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects. Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-10 00:22 +0000
          Geography isn't your strong suit ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 18:24 -0700
            Re: Geography isn't your strong suit ? Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-10 01:41 +0000
              All you have is pride, nothing else. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-09 19:27 -0700
                Re: All you have is pride, nothing else. Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-10 03:01 +0000
            Re: Geography isn't your strong suit ? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-10 10:29 -0500
          Re: China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 13:44 -0400
      Re: Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier. kensi <kkensington01@gmail.nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-10 13:42 -0400
        Made for each other (was: Re: Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.) invalid@invalid.invalid (Ï) - 2018-09-10 19:06 +0100
        Kensi's pride _ demands ignorance. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-10 12:29 -0700
          Re: Relf's pride _ demands ignorance. Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2018-09-10 21:00 +0000
        Re: Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier. Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-10 14:57 -0600

#701811 — Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.

Someone wrote:
> If you talk to a liberal, make them answer these questions:
> 1) Why do you live in a white neighborhood ?

Because socialism only works in cold, SparselyPopulated areas. 

> 2)  What percent of American can be white ?

Zero, White people are the source of all evil (not).

> 3) At what point is it OK to have a border and immigration laws ?

Never, just hand them the keys (not).

> 4) What percentage of the population do whites have to be before its 
> morally acceptable for them to be proud of their ancestors, their heritage.

Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.

A robot might select an apple over an orange,
but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").

We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.

The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:

  It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
  like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.

You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.

The best you can do is:

  - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
  - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).

> 11) Do you even know how many are actually fleeing from catastrophic 
> conditions and not just their own poverty?

The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes 
over the past _ billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
The current warming is exacerbating our reckless living/breeding.

You need a license to drive a motorcycle,
yet _ anyone can "conceive" nascent junkies;
and vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.

The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau, 
at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
  Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

Snit replied:
> 14) Who made you the morality police ?
> 
> This is just whining; she knows she isn't moral.
> She is clearly against equal rights, and is a bigot...

"equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".

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#701837

On 9/9/18 3:06 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Someone wrote:
>> If you talk to a liberal, make them answer these questions:
>> 1) Why do you live in a white neighborhood ?
> 
> Because socialism only works in cold, SparselyPopulated areas.

What does living in a white neighborhood have to do with socialism?

>> 2)  What percent of American can be white ?
> 
> Zero, White people are the source of all evil (not).

Um, what?

>> 3) At what point is it OK to have a border and immigration laws ?
> 
> Never, just hand them the keys (not).

You are confused... and cannot agree with yourself. Weird.

>> 4) What percentage of the population do whites have to be before its
>> morally acceptable for them to be proud of their ancestors, their heritage.
> 
> Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
> 
> A robot might select an apple over an orange,
> but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").
> 
> We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
> (poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
> 
> We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
> 
> All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
> 
>    Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.
> 
> Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
> and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
> 
> The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
> 
>    It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
>    like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.
> 
> You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
> nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.
> 
> The best you can do is:
> 
>    - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
>    - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
> 
>> 11) Do you even know how many are actually fleeing from catastrophic
>> conditions and not just their own poverty?
> 
> The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes
> over the past _ billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
> The current warming is exacerbating our reckless living/breeding.
> 
> You need a license to drive a motorcycle,
> yet _ anyone can "conceive" nascent junkies;
> and vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.
> 
> The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected
> in its birth rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
> at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
>    Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
> 
> Snit replied:
>> 14) Who made you the morality police ?
>>
>> This is just whining; she knows she isn't moral.
>> She is clearly against equal rights, and is a bigot...
> 
> "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".
> 

What makes you think equal rights is the same as equal outcomes?

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#701860

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 03:06:59 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

> Someone wrote:
>> If you talk to a liberal, make them answer these questions:
>> 1) Why do you live in a white neighborhood ?
> 
> Because socialism only works in cold, SparselyPopulated areas.

Proof, kook? It seems to me it was working quite well in Chile before the 
CIA inflicted Pinochet on them.

>> 2)  What percent of American can be white ?
> 
> Zero, White people are the source of all evil (not).
> 
>> 3) At what point is it OK to have a border and immigration laws ?
> 
> Never, just hand them the keys (not).
> 
>> 4) What percentage of the population do whites have to be before its
>> morally acceptable for them to be proud of their ancestors, their
>> heritage.
> 
> Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
> 
> A robot might select an apple over an orange,
> but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").
> 
> We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
> (poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
> 
> We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
> 
> All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
> 
>   Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

What the heck is that? I can't decide whether it's garden variety white 
supremacism or something more exotic in the way of kookery.

> Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
> and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.

I think this might be wrong, but I'm not sure ... kensi?

> The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
> 
>   It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
>   like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.
> 
> You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ), nor
> General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.

GR and thermodynamics? I could've sworn it was GR and quantum 
mechanics ... kensi?

> The best you can do is:
> 
>   - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
>   - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
> 
>> 11) Do you even know how many are actually fleeing from catastrophic
>> conditions and not just their own poverty?
> 
> The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes over the past _
> billions of years; long term, it's cooling.

I'm pretty sure this is wrong, too, even leaving aside human-caused 
climate change, but ... kensi?

> The current warming is exacerbating our reckless living/breeding.
> 
> You need a license to drive a motorcycle,
> yet _ anyone can "conceive" nascent junkies;
> and vasectomies are taboo, even in the porn industry.
> 
> The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth rate
> -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
> at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
>   Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

This kookery again? You're like a dog with a kooky little bone.

> Snit replied:
>> 14) Who made you the morality police ?
>> 
>> This is just whining; she knows she isn't moral.
>> She is clearly against equal rights, and is a bigot...
> 
> "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".

Proof, kook?

-- 
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with 
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM

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#701896 — China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > TrueSocialism only works in cold, SparselyPopulated areas.
> 
> Proof, kook? It seems to me it was working quite well in Chile
> before the CIA inflicted Pinochet on them.

Chile is coldish, and SparselyPopulated.

We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place 
where TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.

China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.

> > Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
> > A robot might select an apple over an orange,
> > but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").
> 
> What the heck is that? I can't decide whether it's 
> garden variety white supremacism or something more exotic

"garden variety white supremacism" ?!
Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.

> > Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
> > and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
> 
> I think this might be wrong, but I'm not sure ... kensi?

An "Unknown cause" isn't the same thing is "no cause".
All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

> You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ), nor
> General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.
> The best you can do is:
> 
>   - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
>   - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).

> GR and thermodynamics? 
> I could've sworn it was GR and quantum mechanics ... kensi?

Quantum Mechanics is just a series of odds;
like the odds of a coin toss, or a dice roll,
or the odds of your horse winning -- anything could happen, and does.

> > The earth has warmed and cooled to great extremes over the past _
> > billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
> 
> I'm pretty sure this is wrong, too, even leaving aside human-caused 
> climate change, but ... kensi?

"That Time It Rained for Two Million Years" by "PBS Eons":
youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4

> > The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth rate
> > -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
> > at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
> >   Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
> 
> This kookery again? You're like a dog with a kooky little bone.

Show me where I'm wrong and/or trivial; please, I beg you.

> > "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".
> 
> Proof, kook?

Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.

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#701900 — Re: China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:12:46 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

> You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
>> > TrueSocialism only works in cold, SparselyPopulated areas.
>> 
>> Proof, kook? It seems to me it was working quite well in Chile before
>> the CIA inflicted Pinochet on them.
> 
> Chile is coldish,

It's in South America, for fuck's sake.

> We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place where
> TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.
> 
> China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.

China is coldish.

>> > Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
>> > A robot might select an apple over an orange,
>> > but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").
>> 
>> What the heck is that? I can't decide whether it's garden variety white
>> supremacism or something more exotic
> 
> "garden variety white supremacism" ?!
> Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.

Not as big or ugly as your X.EXE that you are so prideful about.

SPNAK!

<snicker>

>> > The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth
>> > rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
>> > at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
>> >   Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
>> 
>> This kookery again? You're like a dog with a kooky little bone.
> 
> Show me where I'm wrong and/or trivial; please, I beg you.

That gurgling of yours is in "not even wrong" territory.

>> > "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane
>> > despot".
>> 
>> Proof, kook?
> 
> Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.

None of those have equal rights, kook, because they have an explicit 
privileged ruling caste.

-- 
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with 
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM

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#701904 — Geography isn't your strong suit ?

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > Chile is coldish, and SparselyPopulated.
> 
> It's in South America, for fuck's sake.

Yes, next to the Antarctic.
Geography isn't your strong suit ?

> > China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.
> 
> China is coldish [ and SparselyPopulated ].

You've never been to Hong Kong, have you ?

We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place where
TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.

> > "garden variety white supremacism" ?!
> > Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
> 
> Not as big or ugly as your X.EXE that you are so prideful about.

Nobody is interested in "X.EXE" proper.
I talk about it because it's on my mind, that's all. 

> > Show me where I'm wrong and/or trivial; please, I beg you.
> 
> That gurgling of yours is in "not even wrong" territory.

No, this is a falsifiable, useful axiom:
 
  The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth
  rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
  at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
    Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

> > > > "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".
> > > 
> > > Proof, kook?
> > 
> > Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.
> 
> None of those have equal rights, kook, because they have
> an explicit privileged ruling caste.

No, they have "know it alls", like you, telling them what to do.

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#701906 — Re: Geography isn't your strong suit ?

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 18:24:14 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

> We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place where
> TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.

I already did, kooktard. It was in South America. Suffering from memory 
problems, kooktard?

>> Not as big or ugly as your X.EXE that you are so prideful about.
> 
> Nobody is interested in "X.EXE" proper.

You got that right!

<snicker>

Doesn't stop you incessantly trying to promote it, though, does it?

> No, this is a falsifiable, useful axiom:
>  
>   The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth rate
>   -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
>   at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
>     Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG

And your point is? Everyone knows women in more affluent regions have 
easier access to family planning.

>> > Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.
>> 
>> None of those have equal rights, kook, because they have an explicit
>> privileged ruling caste.
> 
> No,

Yes.

-- 
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with 
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM

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#701907 — All you have is pride, nothing else.

You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
> > We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place where
> > TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.
> 
> I already did, kooktard. It was in South America. 
> Suffering from memory problems, kooktard ?

Chile is coldish, next to the Antarctic, and sparsely populated, like Norway.
Further, their "socialism" was a flash in the pan.

How can you purport to solve the world's problems when you don't even know
where Chile and Hong Kong are on the map, much less what they are like ?

> > Nobody is interested in "X.EXE" proper.
> 
> You got that right!

Yes because, unlike you, I don't have a massive, unjustified ego.
 
> Doesn't stop you incessantly trying to promote it, though, does it?

I post code for _ my benefit; no one else cares.
 
> > This is a falsifiable, useful axiom:
> >  
> >   The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth rate
> >   -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
> >   at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
> >     Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
> 
> And your point is ?  Everyone knows women in more affluent regions have 
> easier access to family planning.

Nice 180°; before, you said it was: "not even wrong".

> > > > Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.
> > > 
> > > None of those have equal rights, kook, because they have an explicit
> > > privileged ruling caste.
> > 
> > No, they have "know it alls", like you, telling them what to do.
> 
> Yes.

All you have is pride, nothing else.

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#701913 — Re: All you have is pride, nothing else.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 19:27:02 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

> I don't have a massive, unjustified ego.

https://youtu.be/Bbv5B71KmkA?t=65

-- 
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with 
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM

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#701940 — Re: Geography isn't your strong suit ?

On 9/9/2018 8:24 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> You (Nadegda) replied ( to me ):
>>> Chile is coldish, and SparselyPopulated.
>>
>> It's in South America, for fuck's sake.
> 
> Yes, next to the Antarctic.
> Geography isn't your strong suit ?
> 
>>> China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.
>>
>> China is coldish [ and SparselyPopulated ].
> 
> You've never been to Hong Kong, have you ?
> 
> We ( you and I ) can't think of a warm, crowded place where
> TrueSocialism has worked for any length of time.
> 
>>> "garden variety white supremacism" ?!
>>> Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
>>
>> Not as big or ugly as your X.EXE that you are so prideful about.
> 
> Nobody is interested in "X.EXE" proper.
> I talk about it because it's on my mind, that's all. 
> 
>>> Show me where I'm wrong and/or trivial; please, I beg you.
>>
>> That gurgling of yours is in "not even wrong" territory.
> 
> No, this is a falsifiable, useful axiom:
>  
>   The wealth and intelligence of a nation is reflected in its birth
>   rate -- from Singapore (.83/woman) and Macau,
>   at the top, to Niger (6.49/woman) and Angola at the bottom.
>     Jeff-Relf.Me/Global.Fertility.Rates.1970.2014.PNG
> 
>>>>> "equal rights" == "equal outcomes" == "submission to an insane despot".
>>>>
>>>> Proof, kook?
>>>
>>> Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea.
>>
>> None of those have equal rights, kook, because they have
>> an explicit privileged ruling caste.
> 
> No, they have "know it alls", like you, telling them what to do.
> 

that is why Hillary should have been elected, she already knows it all,
and she will tell you what to do.

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#701952 — Re: China is capitalist with dictatorial aspects.

On 9/9/2018 8:22 PM, Nadegda wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:12:46 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.
> 
> Not as big or ugly as your X.EXE that you are so prideful about.
> 
> SPNAK!
> 
> <snicker>

This zinger is going in the Zinger Hall of Fame, Nadegda!

-- 
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here."                                                     ~Checkmate

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#701951

On 9/9/2018 3:48 PM, Nadegda wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 03:06:59 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
>> and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
> 
> I think this might be wrong, but I'm not sure ... kensi?

It's wrong. There's no "collapsing probability wave", unless you believe 
in a non-linear, non-unitary, non-differentiable, non-local, 
non-CPT-symmetric, acausal, faster-than-light phenomenon that says that 
parts of the wavefunction mysteriously and spontaneously disappear when 
decoherence prevents us from seeing them any more.

>> The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
>>
>>    It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
>>    like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.
>>
>> You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ), nor
>> General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.
> 
> GR and thermodynamics? I could've sworn it was GR and quantum
> mechanics ... kensi?

Surprisingly enough, Relf is ...

wrong again! It is GR and QM. There is no conflict between GR and 
thermodynamics. And there is no "loophole" in Bell's Theorem. It 
disproves local realism, full-stop. That means *either* many-worlds *or* 
some mechanism that would be the *only* thing in all of physics that was 
  non-linear, non-unitary, non-differentiable, non-local, 
non-CPT-symmetric, acausal, and faster-than-light ...

In other words, it means many-worlds.

>> The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes over the past _
>> billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
> 
> I'm pretty sure this is wrong, too, even leaving aside human-caused
> climate change, but ... kensi?

There has been a cooling trend for the past roughly forty million years, 
since the Eocene Climate Optimum. The cause is the supercontinent cycle; 
we're at the point where collisions are starting to ram up big mountain 
ranges (Rockies, Himalayas) and the chemical weathering of these 
upthrust rocks draws down CO2. The previous supercontinent cycle did 
this too: as Pangaea was being assembled there were 
tens-of-millions-of-years-long cold snaps during the Ordovician and the 
latter half of the Carboniferous. We can expect some more warm and cool 
periods over the next couple of hundred million years but once there's 
another supercontinent it will be hot and dry weather for the duration. 
When it breaks up it will be hot and rainy most places, a tropical world 
like the Mesozoic, until continents quit mostly splitting and start 
colliding again. And then we'll be back at the late Eocene situation 
again ...

But, superimposed on all of this is a secular warming trend that will go 
on for the entire lifespan of the solar system, because the sun itself 
is slowly getting brighter. Absent sufficiently advanced technological 
intervention it will reach the point of rendering the Earth 
uninhabitably hot, perhaps most of a billion years and a couple of 
supercontinents in the future.

So Relf is 180 degrees out from reality ... *again*.

-- 
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here."                                                     ~Checkmate

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#701954 — Made for each other (was: Re: Pride is ugly, like a wart; the bigger the uglier.)

If ever there was a match made in heaven...

Paul Derbyshire in his Professor "kensi" Kensington Fu.D. costume
confidently declared:
> Paul Derbyshire in his Nazedga costume pompously postulated:
> > On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 03:06:59 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me amazed us all:

[circle-jerk black-holed]

-- 
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#701972 — Kensi's pride _ demands ignorance.

You (kensi) replied ( to me ):
> > > The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes over the past
> > > billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
> 
> Relf is 180 degrees out from reality ... *again*.

4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.

33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
33 million years is hardly anything, in the history of life.

   "That Time It Rained for Two Million Years" by "PBS Eons":
   youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4

> > > The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
> > >   It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
> > >   like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not.
> 
> there is no "loophole" in Bell's Theorem.

This course there is; all we have are some odds, 
like the odds of winning a presidential election.

If you think it's 100% reliable, and infallible, and that no one is lying,
then you're more deluded than a 5 year old child, lost in the Amazon.

> It disproves local realism, full-stop. 

It proves ignorance, not reality.
Your pride _ demands ignorance.

  "" The "detection efficiency", or "fair sampling" 
     problem is the most prevalent loophole in optical experiments.  ""
  -- wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experiments

> That means *either* many-worlds *or* [ non-locality ]. 
> In other words, it means many-worlds.

When you're ignorant, anything can happen.
Your pride _ demands ignorance.

Ignorance does not prove the existence of EuRandomness; 
all of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

> > > Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
> > > and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
> 
> There's no "collapsing probability wave", unless you believe 
> in a non-linear, non-unitary, non-differentiable, non-local, 
> non-CPT-symmetric, acausal, faster-than-light phenomenon that says that 
> parts of the wavefunction mysteriously and spontaneously disappear when 
> decoherence prevents us from seeing them any more.

Yes, my point exactly.

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#701985 — Re: Relf's pride _ demands ignorance.

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:29:51 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

> You (kensi) replied ( to me ):
>> > > The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes over the past
>> > > billions of years; long term, it's cooling.
>> 
>> Relf is 180 degrees out from reality ... *again*.
> 
> 4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten.
> 
> 33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy.
> 33 million years is hardly anything, in the history of life.
> 
>    "That Time It Rained for Two Million Years" by "PBS Eons":
>    youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4
> 
>> > > The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
>> > >   It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test...
>> > >   like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or
>> > >   not.
>> 
>> there is no "loophole" in Bell's Theorem.
> 
> This course there is; all we have are some odds,
> like the odds of winning a presidential election.
> 
> If you think it's 100% reliable, and infallible, and that no one is
> lying,
> then you're more deluded than a 5 year old child, lost in the Amazon.
> 
>> It disproves local realism, full-stop.
> 
> It proves ignorance, not reality.
> Your pride _ demands ignorance.
> 
>   "" The "detection efficiency", or "fair sampling"
>      problem is the most prevalent loophole in optical experiments.  ""
>   -- wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experiments
> 
>> That means *either* many-worlds *or* [ non-locality ].
>> In other words, it means many-worlds.
> 
> When you're ignorant, anything can happen.
> Your pride _ demands ignorance.
> 
> Ignorance does not prove the existence of EuRandomness;
> all of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
> randomness is ignorance, nothing more.
> 
>> > > Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
>> > > and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
>> 
>> There's no "collapsing probability wave", unless you believe in a
>> non-linear, non-unitary, non-differentiable, non-local,
>> non-CPT-symmetric, acausal, faster-than-light phenomenon that says that
>> parts of the wavefunction mysteriously and spontaneously disappear when
>> decoherence prevents us from seeing them any more.
> 
> Yes, my point exactly.

You wouldn't know a point if kensi dropped a semi-trailer truckload of 
them right on your head. The proof of that statement being that she just 
*did*, and you *didn't*.

-- 
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with 
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM

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#701984

In article <pn6aef$1698$1@gioia.aioe.org>, kkensington01
@gmail.nospam.invalid says...
> It's wrong. There's no "collapsing probability wave", unless you believe 
> in a non-linear, non-unitary, non-differentiable, non-local, 
> non-CPT-symmetric, acausal, faster-than-light phenomenon that says that 
> parts of the wavefunction mysteriously and spontaneously disappear when 
> decoherence prevents us from seeing them any more.
> 

Google is your friend.

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