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  Re: My $40 Logitech g600 mouse has 39 LuaScript programmable buttons. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-05-07 21:23 +0000
    Re: My $40 Logitech g600 mouse has 39 LuaScript programmable buttons. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 14:32 -0700
    Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 14:47 -0700
    Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-05-07 22:06 +0000
      The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-07 15:23 -0700
        Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-05-07 22:43 +0000
          $39 ( for the g600 ) is too much ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-07 15:56 -0700
            Re: $39 ( for the g600 ) is too much ? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-05-07 23:03 +0000
              Re: $39 ( for the g600 ) is too much ? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-05-07 19:12 -0400
            Re: $39 ( for the g600 ) is too much ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 16:03 -0700
              gShift Middle(Wheel)Click answers the phone no matter if the monitor is Off|On. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-07 21:27 -0700
                Re: gShift Middle(Wheel)Click answers the phone no matter if the monitor is Off|On. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-08 10:20 -0700
            Re: $39 ( for the g600 ) is too much ? Silver Slimer <sl@im.er> - 2017-05-08 08:25 -0400
            Re: $39 ( for the g600 ) is too much ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-05-08 18:28 -0400
          Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 15:59 -0700
          Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-05-07 18:16 -0500
            Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 16:26 -0700
              Disabling the side buttons ( so nothing happens ) is super easy. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-07 21:01 -0700
                Re: Disabling the side buttons ( so nothing happens ) is super easy. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 21:15 -0700
                Re: Disabling the side buttons ( so nothing happens ) is super easy. John Smith <mynameiscommon@wingo3.org> - 2017-05-09 03:52 +0000
          Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 01:52 +0000
            My hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-07 21:14 -0700
              Re: My hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 21:21 -0700
              Re: My hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-05-08 18:32 -0400
                The ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-08 22:48 -0700
                  Re: The ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 04:33 -0400
                  Re: The ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-09 16:34 +0000
                    Games are more enjoyable when you don't need a keyboard|controller. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-09 14:10 -0700
                      CtrlClick, ShiftClick and AltShiftClick without touching the keyboard. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2017-05-09 14:27 -0700
                        Re: CtrlClick, ShiftClick and AltShiftClick without touching the keyboard. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-09 14:35 -0700
        Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-05-07 18:14 -0500
      Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-05-07 18:10 -0500
        Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel. Silver Slimer <sl@im.er> - 2017-05-08 08:27 -0400
    Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-05-08 18:23 -0400

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#632325 — Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers.

owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> writes:

>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

>> Look at my photo ( Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG ) and/or see:
>> https://assets.logitech.com/assets/47823/2/g600-gaming-mouse-images.png

>Ah, ok.  It was not obvious from your photo.  Still don't care for having
>keyboard on the side of my mouse, but that does satisfy my requirements
>of 3 full-size buttons plus the wheel.  I don't know why Logitech doesn't
>just go ahead and put out a reasonably priced ($10) 3-button + wheel mouse.
>The would sell a boatload of them to Linux users.

The Logitech photo almost looks like a 2 button mouse+wheel, with the 
rightmost button an afterthought for the pinky.  Their description of
it as a shift rather than the equivalent to the right click button on 
regular mice matches that.

I don't know, maybe it has proper hand feel after all.  But would it even
work with Linux/BSD/whatever or is it a Weendoze gamers (and Relf) only
toy?  Or would it be seen as an ordinary 2-3 button mouse w/wheel?

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#632343 — My hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse.

> > > https://assets.logitech.com/assets/47823/2/g600-gaming-mouse-images.png
> 
> The Logitech photo almost looks like a 2 button mouse+wheel, 
> with the rightmost button an afterthought for the pinky.

No !  The pinky rests on the mouse pad, as does the thumb.
At times, my hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse.

That leaves the three inner fingers ( pointer, middle, ring )
for the Left/Middle/Right clicking ( thee three _BIG buttons ).

The third one defaults to gShift, but you can make it RightClick.

I started using 3 button mice back in 1982 and never looked back.
( Lilith, a Modula2 engine; graphics, laser printer, etc. )

If you're not into mice, and you can't be bothered to configure it,
then you're nothing like me, period.

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#632347 — Re: My hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse.

On 5/7/17, 9:14 PM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@May.7--9.14P.Seattle.2017,
"<Jeff-Relf.Me  @.>" <> wrote:

>>>> https://assets.logitech.com/assets/47823/2/g600-gaming-mouse-images.png
>> 
>> The Logitech photo almost looks like a 2 button mouse+wheel,
>> with the rightmost button an afterthought for the pinky.
> 
> No !  The pinky rests on the mouse pad, as does the thumb.
> At times, my hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse.
> 
> That leaves the three inner fingers ( pointer, middle, ring )
> for the Left/Middle/Right clicking ( thee three _BIG buttons ).
> 
> The third one defaults to gShift, but you can make it RightClick.
> 
> I started using 3 button mice back in 1982 and never looked back.
> ( Lilith, a Modula2 engine; graphics, laser printer, etc. )
> 
> If you're not into mice, and you can't be bothered to configure it,
> then you're nothing like me, period.

I like different configurations but very much prefer a programmable mouse
where I can get it to do what I want.

Who knows, maybe some day I will try one with the keyboard on the side. :)

-- 
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#632476 — Re: My hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse.

On 5/8/2017 12:14 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>> https://assets.logitech.com/assets/47823/2/g600-gaming-mouse-images.png
>>
>> The Logitech photo almost looks like a 2 button mouse+wheel,
>> with the rightmost button an afterthought for the pinky.
>
> No !  The pinky rests on the mouse pad, as does the thumb.
> At times, my hand stands on thumb and pinky, not touching the mouse.
>
> That leaves the three inner fingers ( pointer, middle, ring )
> for the Left/Middle/Right clicking ( thee three _BIG buttons ).
>
> The third one defaults to gShift, but you can make it RightClick.
>
> I started using 3 button mice back in 1982 and never looked back.
> ( Lilith, a Modula2 engine; graphics, laser printer, etc. )
>
> If you're not into mice, and you can't be bothered to configure it,
> then you're nothing like me, period.
>
Anyone who cannot see an imaginary third button in the middle of the 
mouse is nothing like you, Rolf.

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#632526 — The ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons.

BenJ acoby wrote:
> > I started using 3 button mice back in 1982 and never looked back.
> > ( Lilith, a Modula2 engine; graphics, laser printer, etc. )
> >
> > If you're not into mice, and you can't be bothered to configure it,
> > then you're nothing like me, period.
> 
> Anyone who cannot see an imaginary third button in 
> the middle of the mouse is nothing like you, Rolf.

Now, the ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons
are shown in the upper right corner of:

  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG

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#632546 — Re: The ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons.

On 05/09/2017 01:48 AM, "Jeff-Relf.Me "@. wrote:
> BenJ acoby wrote:
>>> I started using 3 button mice back in 1982 and never looked back.
>>> ( Lilith, a Modula2 engine; graphics, laser printer, etc. )
>>>
>>> If you're not into mice, and you can't be bothered to configure it,
>>> then you're nothing like me, period.
>>
>> Anyone who cannot see an imaginary third button in
>> the middle of the mouse is nothing like you, Rolf.
>
> Now, the ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons
> are shown in the upper right corner of:
>
>    http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG
>
You blind Rolf? Are you calling the "right" button the "center"? Do you 
think the "shift" button is "right"?  I hate to tell you this but your 
ideas are all in your fantasies and not on that mouse.

Gamers! <sigh>  Too much time doing games in the basement, Rolf!

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#632593 — Re: The ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons.

Jeff-Relf.Me  @. writes:

>BenJ acoby wrote:
>> > I started using 3 button mice back in 1982 and never looked back.
>> > ( Lilith, a Modula2 engine; graphics, laser printer, etc. )
>> >
>> > If you're not into mice, and you can't be bothered to configure it,
>> > then you're nothing like me, period.
>> 
>> Anyone who cannot see an imaginary third button in 
>> the middle of the mouse is nothing like you, Rolf.

>Now, the ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons
>are shown in the upper right corner of:

>  http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG

It really does look like a 2 button mouse with a right button added as an
afterthought. If they market it as a shift button rather than rightclick
it kind of confirms it, even if the large buttons are easily programmable
as a normal 3 button mouse. It's really a 2 button mouse with lots of
chiclets for gamers. Does it even have Linux drivers or is it a Windows
gamers only thing that looks like a generic mouse to Linux? Or a write your
own driver project for Linux weenies?

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#632647 — Games are more enjoyable when you don't need a keyboard|controller.

You ( Michael Moroney ) replied ( to me ):
> > Now, the ( BigAss ) Left, Right and gShift buttons
> > are shown in the upper right corner of:
> >   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG
> >   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.TXT
> 
> It really does look like a 2 button mouse 
> with a right button added as an afterthought. 

No, it's not, I assure you.  I pick up the mouse and move it 4K pixels,
even as my Wrist/Palm rests on the mouse pad, because:

  My Thumb holds the left side of the mouse, brushing the pad.
  My Pinky holds the right side of the mouse, brushing the pad.
  My Ring Finger rests on the (BigAss) gShfit button.

I use _all of the 39 buttons, in _many apps, everyday, all day;
not one button is wasted.  It's Muscle Memory now.

I'm a programmer but gamers enjoy it too;
games are more enjoyable when you don't need a keyboard|controller.
Ideally, you'd map the game's keys to the ones on the mouse.

> Does it even have Linux drivers or is it a Windows gamers only thing
> that looks like a generic mouse to Linux ?

The g600 mouse is Windows only, no Mac or Linux drivers.
I use complex Lua scripts to do things Mac/Linux hasn't imagined; to wit:

  ShiftClick and AltShiftClick without touching the keyboard.

  gShift Middle(Wheel)Click to answer the phone.
  gShift RightClick to inspect an HTML element in the DOM editor.
  gShift LeftClick to move a post to the Clipboard ( from VisualStudio2017 ).

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#632659 — CtrlClick, ShiftClick and AltShiftClick without touching the keyboard.

Make that:

  CtrlClick, ShiftClick and AltShiftClick without touching the keyboard.

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#632666 — Re: CtrlClick, ShiftClick and AltShiftClick without touching the keyboard.

On 5/9/17, 2:27 PM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@May.9--2.27P.Seattle.2017,
"<Jeff-Relf.Me  @.>" <> wrote:

> Make that:
> 
>   CtrlClick, ShiftClick and AltShiftClick without touching the keyboard.

I can see the appeal of that. Sure.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#632307 — Re: The g600 mouse has 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers.

On 2017-05-07, Jeff-Relf.Me  @. <Jeff-Relf.Me@> wrote:
>> > The g600 has 3 buttons and a wheel:
>> > 
>> >   Pointer Finger on the LeftClick button.
>> >   Middle Finger on MiddleClick ( if you set it that way )
>> >   Ring Finder on RightClick ( again, if you set it that way ). 
>> >       http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG
>> 
>> Really?  Where is the middle button?  One of those chicklet
>> buttons?  Sorry, that's a FAIL.
>
> There's 3 BIG buttons: Pointer, Middle and Ring Fingers.
> My thumb and pinky are on the mouse pad.
> It super easy to set them to do whatever, and/or nothing.
>
> Look at my photo ( Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG ) and/or see:
> https://assets.logitech.com/assets/47823/2/g600-gaming-mouse-images.png

Oh this is a better photo. Yours is a lot like the 3D connexion. It's
easy to miss that it has three buttons since they are part of the
overall shape. I didn't notice it. Still, I don't like all those other
buttons being there. Ideally I'd like it just to be three buttons on the
surface and the wheel and nothing else if possible. The 3D connexion is
closer to that than yours. Where my thumb goes, is almost nothing. Just
two more buttons, but since the side is so large I never accidentally
hit those side buttons. If I press them at all it's because I intended
to, which I can tell you was not the case until this mouse came along.
On all the smaller mice I had, I would accidentally hit those side
buttons so often I'd want to throw the mouse out a window. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#632305 — Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel.

On 2017-05-07, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> The g600 has 3 buttons and a wheel:
>> 
>>   Pointer Finger on the LeftClick button.
>>   Middle Finger on MiddleClick ( if you set it that way )
>>   Ring Finder on RighClick ( again, if you set it that way ). 
>
> Really?  Where is the middle button?  One of those chicklet
> buttons?  Sorry, that's a FAIL.

Absolutely a fail for what I would want. The three main buttons need to
be first-class citizens on the mouse. 

http://imgur.com/CjNWK5O
This is pretty much the original way I had it back in the late 80's
starting with the Amiga. It would be another ten years or more and until
around 1999 that I would have something like again with Sun
Microsystems. 

http://imgur.com/fktHKr4
And then several years ago I found the IBM mouse pictures here in the
middle. But having got used to the wheel I wasn't ready to give that up
for the middle button even though this was one of the only mice I'd
found in years to be close to what I once had. 

The same image with the 3D Connexion mouse on the left shows all three
buttons are very much equals even though there is indeed a wheel. First
mouse I've had in almost 20 years that brings me back to the time when
we had GREAT mice and not this crap we have now. 

But it's not just the mouse. I had not used an X Window system until a
little less that four years ago. The focus functions put the whole thing
back into perspective. There was a feel to the desktop that I haven't
felt since the 90s. 

Hard to get back to where it was since the UI itself has a different
feel to it. I had CDE and just X way way back in the days. I remember
once having access to an OS/2 box running X which was connected to UNIX.
This way back in the 486 days. Don't remember much about it. I remember
the hummingbird was part of the logo. Little fragments like that. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#632382 — Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel.

On 2017-05-07 7:10 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2017-05-07, owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>> The g600 has 3 buttons and a wheel:
>>>
>>>   Pointer Finger on the LeftClick button.
>>>   Middle Finger on MiddleClick ( if you set it that way )
>>>   Ring Finder on RighClick ( again, if you set it that way ). 
>>
>> Really?  Where is the middle button?  One of those chicklet
>> buttons?  Sorry, that's a FAIL.
> 
> Absolutely a fail for what I would want. The three main buttons need to
> be first-class citizens on the mouse. 
> 
> http://imgur.com/CjNWK5O
> This is pretty much the original way I had it back in the late 80's
> starting with the Amiga. It would be another ten years or more and until
> around 1999 that I would have something like again with Sun
> Microsystems. 

It looks a lot like the two-button mouse IBM provided with the IBM PS/1
I got back in 1991.

> http://imgur.com/fktHKr4
> And then several years ago I found the IBM mouse pictures here in the
> middle. But having got used to the wheel I wasn't ready to give that up
> for the middle button even though this was one of the only mice I'd
> found in years to be close to what I once had. 

Generic-looking mice for the last two but I imagine that the first one
is the most used.

-- 
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OpenMedia & EFF Member
Gab.ai: @silverslimer

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#632470 — Re: The g600 mouse has has 3 buttons and a wheel.

On 5/7/2017 5:42 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>> > My $40 Logitech g600 mouse has 39 LuaScript programmable buttons:
>> >
>> >   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.PNG
>> >   http://Jeff-Relf.Me/g600.TXT
>>
>> I want a traditional 3-button mouse which also has a wheel.
>
> The g600 has 3 buttons and a wheel:
>
>   Pointer Finger on the LeftClick button.
>   Middle Finger on MiddleClick ( if you set it that way )
>   Ring Finder on RighClick ( again, if you set it that way ).
>
> You can set the other buttons to do nothing, if you want.
>
>
Bill does not allow anyone to have a mouse with more buttons than he can 
handle. That's why all microsoft mice only have two buttons and a stupid 
stupid double click.

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