Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > sci.physics > #716793 > unrolled thread

Einstein never believed in the collapsar

Started bymitchrae3323@gmail.com
First post2018-12-05 11:40 -0800
Last post2018-12-11 16:28 -0800
Articles 15 — 7 participants

Back to article view | Back to sci.physics


Contents

  Einstein never believed in the collapsar mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-05 11:40 -0800
    Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 18:56 -0800
      Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-06 19:16 -0800
    Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-12-10 14:42 -0800
      General Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-12-10 14:48 -0800
        Re: General Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-10 22:10 -0500
      Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-11 02:01 +0100
        Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-10 17:14 -0800
        Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-12-13 13:44 -0800
          Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-13 14:28 -0800
          Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-15 15:50 +0100
            Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-15 12:32 -0800
      Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-11 11:30 -0800
        Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-11 14:46 -0800
        Re: Einstein never believed in the collapsar "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-12-11 16:28 -0800

#716793 — Einstein never believed in the collapsar

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-12-05 11:40 -0800
SubjectEinstein never believed in the collapsar
Message-ID<242d164f-e105-4f9d-9543-ff4c840e856a@googlegroups.com>
He did not believe in black holes.
There are no exceptions to the exclusion
principle. Atoms collapse into Neutrons 
stars but Neutron stars won't collapse
further. No reason to believe in black
holes. There are reasons not to.

Mitchell Raemsch

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]


#717039

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-06 18:56 -0800
Message-ID<eeea7c32-c7d6-47ad-b018-26c711b98bed@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#716793
On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:40:29 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> He did not believe in black holes.
> There are no exceptions to the exclusion
> principle. Atoms collapse into Neutrons 
> stars but Neutron stars won't collapse
> further. No reason to believe in black
> holes. There are reasons not to.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

GR takes in a lot more than what Einstein used it for.Bert

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717042

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-12-06 19:16 -0800
Message-ID<518695b5-1d2e-4683-a64f-579e410b6843@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#717039
On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 6:56:36 PM UTC-8, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:40:29 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > He did not believe in black holes.
> > There are no exceptions to the exclusion
> > principle. Atoms collapse into Neutrons 
> > stars but Neutron stars won't collapse
> > further. No reason to believe in black
> > holes. There are reasons not to.
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> 
> GR takes in a lot more than what Einstein used it for.Bert

It's gravity curve curves motion.
It does not slow a light bubble
leaving. The atom motion curves
by space curve... it just the same
for light... don't believe Roy Masters.

Mitchell Raemsch

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717606

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2018-12-10 14:42 -0800
Message-ID<7c4e847d-9ac5-4c77-9f49-2e39b979b6dd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#716793
On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:40:29 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> He did not believe in black holes.
> There are no exceptions to the exclusion
> principle. Atoms collapse into Neutrons 
> stars but Neutron stars won't collapse
> further. No reason to believe in black
> holes. There are reasons not to.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch


Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.  The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!

Double-A

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717609 — General Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2018-12-10 14:48 -0800
SubjectGeneral Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.10--2.48pm.Seattle.2018>
In reply to#717606
> > No reason to believe in black holes.  There are reasons not to.

Amen to that; black holes are "science" FICTION.

> > Atoms collapse into Neutrons stars 
> > but Neutron stars won't collapse further.
> 
> The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than
> a tightly grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?
> Do the math!

General Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717641 — Re: General Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics.

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-10 22:10 -0500
SubjectRe: General Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics.
Message-ID<pun9qj$1vrd$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#717609
On 12/10/2018 5:48 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> No reason to believe in black holes.  There are reasons not to.
> 
> Amen to that; black holes are "science" FICTION.
> 
>>> Atoms collapse into Neutrons stars
>>> but Neutron stars won't collapse further.
>>
>> The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than
>> a tightly grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?
>> Do the math!
> 
> General Relativity doesn't explain quantum mechanics.
> 
That's OK Rolf. QM doesn't explain General Relativity either.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717616

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-12-11 02:01 +0100
Message-ID<bc43ada3-d2ad-2413-6fc5-5e094674c066@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#717606
Double-A wrote:
> Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.

But it does.

> The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly
> grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!

BTDT.  Your turn.  (Are you even able to?)

<https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1825/>

IOW: The matter is settled since July 2018.  There *is* a black hole in the
center of the Milky Way.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717618

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-12-10 17:14 -0800
Message-ID<19cea111-72ad-42ce-92ec-3ce66f3493da@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#717616
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:01:20 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Double-A wrote:
> > Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.
> 
> But it does.
> 
> > The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly
> > grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!
> 
> BTDT.  Your turn.  (Are you even able to?)
> 
> <https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1825/>
> 
> IOW: The matter is settled since July 2018.  There *is* a black hole in the
> center of the Milky Way.
> 
> -- 
> PointedEars
> 
> Twitter: @PointedEars2
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

Light's motion curve under gravity is parabolic... Sobral; Shapiro
Light does not obey any escape velocity because of its constant speed.
If it slowed like matter it would obey escape velocity; but it doesn't.

Mitchell Raemsch

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#718220

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2018-12-13 13:44 -0800
Message-ID<6cc81167-99c9-4575-ac8d-7bc4d584c256@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#717616
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:01:20 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Double-A wrote:
> > Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.
> 
> But it does.
> 
> > The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly
> > grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!
> 
> BTDT.  Your turn.  (Are you even able to?)
> 
> <https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1825/>
> 
> IOW: The matter is settled since July 2018.  There *is* a black hole in the
> center of the Milky Way.
> 
> -- 
> PointedEars
> 
> Twitter: @PointedEars2
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.


The density of a massive black hole can be very small.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-minimum-density-of-a-black-hole

Double-A

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#718225

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-12-13 14:28 -0800
Message-ID<7f84606c-b677-41ac-9dd3-c11e93cee6c4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#718220
On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:01:20 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > Double-A wrote:
> > > Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.
> > 
> > But it does.
> > 
> > > The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly
> > > grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!
> > 
> > BTDT.  Your turn.  (Are you even able to?)
> > 
> > <https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1825/>
> > 
> > IOW: The matter is settled since July 2018.  There *is* a black hole in the
> > center of the Milky Way.
> > 
> > -- 
> > PointedEars
> > 
> > Twitter: @PointedEars2
> > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
> 
> 
> The density of a massive black hole can be very small.


Fall reaches light speed forming a singularity.
That is the size of density of all BH. It doesn't matter
if it can't be seen you still use the same
theory inside.

Mitchell Raemsch

> 
> https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-minimum-density-of-a-black-hole
> 
> Double-A

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#718548

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-12-15 15:50 +0100
Message-ID<f7782d90-29ad-6564-85bb-3dce84a24b1a@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#718220
Double-A wrote:
> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:01:20 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Double-A wrote:
>>> Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.
>> But it does.
>>
>>> The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly
>>> grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!
>>
>> BTDT.  Your turn.  (Are you even able to?)
>>
>> <https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1825/>
>>
>> IOW: The matter is settled since July 2018.  There *is* a black hole in the
>> center of the Milky Way.
> 
> The density of a massive black hole can be very small.

Red herring.

> https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-minimum-density-of-a-black-hole

Note that the answer that you are probably referring to there (you are not
actually saying what statement you are referring to, so this does NOT amount
to evidence, let alone a calculation done by *you*, and a calculation *on
the contentious subject*) was posted by “Rick McGeer, Serious researcher in
many CS topics, and I play around with Physics”.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#718591

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-12-15 12:32 -0800
Message-ID<d33b1ef9-e3ac-4af1-b0e6-4d23df05f0e1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#718548
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 6:50:46 AM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Double-A wrote:
> > On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:01:20 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> Double-A wrote:
> >>> Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.
> >> But it does.
> >>
> >>> The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly
> >>> grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!
> >>
> >> BTDT.  Your turn.  (Are you even able to?)
> >>
> >> <https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1825/>
> >>
> >> IOW: The matter is settled since July 2018.  There *is* a black hole in the
> >> center of the Milky Way.
> > 
> > The density of a massive black hole can be very small.
> 
> Red herring.
> 
> > https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-minimum-density-of-a-black-hole
> 
> Note that the answer that you are probably referring to there (you are not
> actually saying what statement you are referring to, so this does NOT amount
> to evidence, let alone a calculation done by *you*, and a calculation *on
> the contentious subject*) was posted by “Rick McGeer, Serious researcher in
> many CS topics, and I play around with Physics”.
> 
> -- 
> PointedEars
> 
> Twitter: @PointedEars2
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

If there is drop off gravity for the Earth's inside it would
apply to a black hole. So there is zero gravity
and at the same time infinite gravity inside the black hole...?

Science is a liar to its own self and to the world.
By the way Original GR didn't have inner drop off.
Einstein said it was equal gravity strength to center...
Richard Feynman monkeyed with it... His mistake.

Mitchell Raemsch

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717716

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-11 11:30 -0800
Message-ID<fd4452cc-1385-46c2-a824-2b4f977bc9c2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#717606
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:42:31 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:40:29 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > He did not believe in black holes.
> > There are no exceptions to the exclusion
> > principle. Atoms collapse into Neutrons 
> > stars but Neutron stars won't collapse
> > further. No reason to believe in black
> > holes. There are reasons not to.
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> 
> 
> Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.  The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!
> 
> Double-A
Milky Way core could be a285,000 stars orbiting each 5 times the mass density of the Sun taking up a system half a light year across.Why not.It would make a very bright area,and so it is.Bert

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717747

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-12-11 14:46 -0800
Message-ID<5d63198a-217c-40b7-a755-d5d127ca0e8b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#717716
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 11:30:34 AM UTC-8, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:42:31 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:40:29 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > He did not believe in black holes.
> > > There are no exceptions to the exclusion
> > > principle. Atoms collapse into Neutrons 
> > > stars but Neutron stars won't collapse
> > > further. No reason to believe in black
> > > holes. There are reasons not to.
> > > 
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 
> > 
> > Whether something is a black hole does not depend on how compressed it can get.  The black hole at the center of a galaxy could be nothing more than a tightly grouped bunch of individual stars.  Don't believe me?  Do the math!
> > 
> > Double-A
> Milky Way core could be a285,000 stars orbiting each 5 times the mass density of the Sun taking up a system half a light year across.Why not.It would make a very bright area,and so it is.Bert

No. The small core luminosity is not happening.
The core of galactic gravity is supposed to be black hole.
Why isn't the core of Andromeda as bright as you would imply?

Looking into our Milky Way toward the core there is obviously more stars 
by density for your luminosity instead... not the actual core.


Mitchell Raemsch

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#717790

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-12-11 16:28 -0800
Message-ID<pupkn2$ato$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#717716
"homo-reber G=emc^2" <herbertgay-lazier0@gmail.com>  is
not only a self-righteous Jewish moron, Bert is sanctimonious
and  phony, and posts anything to  draw attention to SwineBert's
ONLY achievement, namely to shit into other posters mouth, 
have them murdered for him to be able to piss onto their graves, 
as  <http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal>   who is 
characterized by  the eminent Jewish scholars HWR in the epic 
<http://tinyurl.com/The-HW-Rosenthal-interview-XT>, that shows
<http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-REAL-intent>, O ya. Bert.

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]


Back to top | Article view | sci.physics


csiph-web