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  Can science explain free will? alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-24 11:26 -0700
    Give me better "choices", then I'll be rich. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-25 01:32 -0700
    Re: Can science explain free will? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-26 17:32 -0700
    Re: Can science explain free will? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-26 17:35 -0700
      Re: Can science explain free will? alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 08:31 -0700
        Nirvana is freedom from desire, chill. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-27 11:50 -0700
    Re: Can science explain free will? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 02:40 -0700
    Re: Can science explain free will? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-27 09:00 -0500
      Re: Can science explain free will? alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 10:29 -0700
        Re: Can science explain free will? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-27 12:50 -0500
          Re: Can science explain free will? alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 11:54 -0700
            A robot can make that choice too. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-27 12:00 -0700
              Re: A robot can make that choice too. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 18:21 -0400
            Re: Can science explain free will? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-27 15:30 -0500
    Re: Can science explain free will? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 23:29 -0700
    Re: Can science explain free will? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 19:30 -0700

#699860 — Can science explain free will?

In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?

Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?


Abhinav Lal 
Writer & Investor

“Give me freedom, or give me death”

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#699924 — Give me better "choices", then I'll be rich.

> Do you believe in free will?

What is it, the uncaused cause ?

> Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.
> But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism), instead of 
assuming "free will" ("the uncaused cause"), à la Christianity.

SuperDeterminism was useful to Einstein, and to me;
it is _ not useful to The Pope.

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".

> “Give me freedom, or give me death”

Give me better "choices", then I'll be rich.

If we don't want bums, illegal aliens and junkies hanging around,
then we have to enforce the current regulations ( and/or increase them );
and that means more taxes and less liberty.  The "choice" would be:
  -- Work your ass off ( to pay the taxes ) and conform. 
  -- Hard labor in a "gulag" and/or torture in a "ReEducation camp". 

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#700084

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 9:26:43 PM UTC+3, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> 
> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> 
> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor

=================================
see the 
''all push' theory !
there is no puillforce
just all pushforce !

not simple but right  
if you have questions 
ask 
===============
TIA
Y.Porat
==================== 
> 
> “Give me freedom, or give me death”

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#700085

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-7, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> 
> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> 
> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor
> 
> “Give me freedom, or give me death”

What if it goes both ways?

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#700127

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 6:05:07 AM UTC+5:30, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-7, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> > 
> > Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> > 
> > 
> > Abhinav Lal 
> > Writer & Investor
> > 
> > “Give me freedom, or give me death”
> 
> What if it goes both ways?

Life is freedom from being dead  Death is freedom from being alive.

Perhaps only in death can one find freedom from human oppression.

But we must try, while we live, we must fight for freedom.

Abhinav Lal 
Writer & Investor 

“Imagination is more important than knowledge”
- Albert Einstein

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#700158 — Nirvana is freedom from desire, chill.

> Life is freedom from being dead  Death is freedom from being alive.

Life is suffering.  Desire causes suffering.
Nirvana is freedom from desire, chill.

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#700112

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 9:26:43 PM UTC+3, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> 
> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> 
> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor

================
taks for instance the  formula 
d distance =0.5 g t^2
ie
aas rge nass is falling  iot gets more  vlocity 
each second 
while cimming closer and closer toearth 

WHAT DOES IT  MEAN 
IT MEANS THAT COMING CLOSER ANS CLOSER TOEARTY
THE ''PULLING '' FORCE
BEOCMES STRONGER AND STRONGER 
it is not self understandable    
> 
> “Give me freedom, or give me death”
=======================================
it means that
coming closer and closer to earth
the density of 'force lines' becomes bigger 
and bigger
if so  see Google
the y porat mechanism 
====
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract 
--
at the appendix 
===============
TIA
Y.P
===============

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#700121

On 8/24/2018 1:26 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> 
> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> 
> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor
> 
> “Give me freedom, or give me death”
> 

did you post here using free will ?
 or did your puppet masters make you ?

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#700148

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 7:30:49 PM UTC+5:30, Sergio wrote:
> On 8/24/2018 1:26 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
> > In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> > 
> > Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> > 
> > 
> > Abhinav Lal 
> > Writer & Investor
> > 
> > “Give me freedom, or give me death”
> > 
> 
> did you post here using free will ?
>  or did your puppet masters make you ?

Yes, I believe in free will.  But many scientists don’t.  I guess, they can claim that they don’t have the free will to choose to believe in free will.

As a scientist, what does the science you know, tell you about free will?

Abhinav Lal 
Writer & Investor 

“Imagination is more important than knowledge”
- Albert Einstein

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#700150

On 8/27/2018 12:29 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 7:30:49 PM UTC+5:30, Sergio wrote:
>> On 8/24/2018 1:26 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
>>> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
>>>
>>> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
>>>
>>>
>>> Abhinav Lal 
>>> Writer & Investor
>>>
>>> “Give me freedom, or give me death”
>>>
>>
>> did you post here using free will ?
>>  or did your puppet masters make you ?
> 
> Yes, I believe in free will.  But many scientists don’t.  

I have only heard that from you.
can you name a scientist wo free will ?


>I guess, they can claim that they don’t have the free will to choose to believe in free will.

  that is guessing.

> 
> As a scientist, what does the science you know, tell you about free will?

are you asking if science can prove you have free will ?

simple test, take 5 apples of different types and ask someone to choose
one.

did they do that or somebody else ?

> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor 
> 
> “Imagination is more important than knowledge”
> - Albert Einstein
> 

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#700160

On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 11:20:19 PM UTC+5:30, Sergio wrote:
> On 8/27/2018 12:29 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 7:30:49 PM UTC+5:30, Sergio wrote:
> >> On 8/24/2018 1:26 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> >>>
> >>> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Abhinav Lal 
> >>> Writer & Investor
> >>>
> >>> “Give me freedom, or give me death”
> >>>
> >>
> >> did you post here using free will ?
> >>  or did your puppet masters make you ?
> > 
> > Yes, I believe in free will.  But many scientists don’t.  
> 
> I have only heard that from you.
> can you name a scientist wo free will ?
> 
> 
> >I guess, they can claim that they don’t have the free will to choose to believe in free will.
> 
>   that is guessing.
> 
> > 
> > As a scientist, what does the science you know, tell you about free will?
> 
> are you asking if science can prove you have free will ?
> 
> simple test, take 5 apples of different types and ask someone to choose
> one.
> 
> did they do that or somebody else ?

Either you are clueless about the concept of free will, or are pretending to be.

Abhinav Lal 
Writer & Investor 

“Imagination is more important than knowledge”
- Albert Einstein 

> 
> > 
> > Abhinav Lal 
> > Writer & Investor 
> > 
> > “Imagination is more important than knowledge”
> > - Albert Einstein
> >

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#700161 — A robot can make that choice too.

> > take 5 apples of different types and ask someone to choose one.
> > did they do that or somebody else ?
> 
> Either you are clueless about the concept of free will, 
> or are pretending to be.

A robot can make that choice too, 
does does that mean it has free will ?

We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
(poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".

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#700292 — Re: A robot can make that choice too.

On 8/27/2018 3:00 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> take 5 apples of different types and ask someone to choose one.
>>> did they do that or somebody else ?
>>
>> Either you are clueless about the concept of free will,
>> or are pretending to be.
> 
> A robot can make that choice too,
> does does that mean it has free will ?
> 
> We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
> We're "robot aliens" ( consumption machines ), exploiting a niche,
> (poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
> 
Old, bogus, long-discredited theory that Rolf still believes in with all 
his heart. Hey Rolf! Bet you still think communism can work too!

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#700166

On 8/27/2018 1:54 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 11:20:19 PM UTC+5:30, Sergio wrote:
>> On 8/27/2018 12:29 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 7:30:49 PM UTC+5:30, Sergio wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2018 1:26 PM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Abhinav Lal 
>>>>> Writer & Investor
>>>>>
>>>>> “Give me freedom, or give me death”
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> did you post here using free will ?
>>>>  or did your puppet masters make you ?
>>>
>>> Yes, I believe in free will.  But many scientists don’t.  
>>
>> I have only heard that from you.
>> can you name a scientist wo free will ?
>>
>>
>>> I guess, they can claim that they don’t have the free will to choose to believe in free will.
>>
>>   that is guessing.
>>
>>>
>>> As a scientist, what does the science you know, tell you about free will?
>>
>> are you asking if science can prove you have free will ?
>>
>> simple test, take 5 apples of different types and ask someone to choose
>> one.
>>
>> did they do that or somebody else ?
> 
> Either you are clueless about the concept of free will, or are pretending to be.

you choose, use your free will.


> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor 
> 
> “Imagination is more important than knowledge”
> - Albert Einstein 
> 
>>
>>>
>>> Abhinav Lal 
>>> Writer & Investor 
>>>
>>> “Imagination is more important than knowledge”
>>> - Albert Einstein
>>>
> 

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#700211

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 9:26:43 PM UTC+3, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> 
> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> 
> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor
> 
> “Give me freedom, or give me death”
==========================
free will 
is not a concept of physics science
it is a concept  in psychology 
or a like 
 i thought you wrote
fee fall 
and than you brought  my mistake
see what i  did with it (:-)
about free fall  (:-)
just see what  a mistake can lead to 
   
 i took it to free fall
and see what i got ...
================
Y.Porat
==============================

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#700319

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 11:26:43 AM UTC-7, alal...@gmail.com wrote:
> In quantum mechanics there is randomness.  But random will is not free will.  Free will is the ability of a human to choose a course of action.  Is there a physical mechanism for this?
> 
> Do you believe in free will?  Many scientists claim that free will is an illusion.  But then how do we make moral judgements, and find meaning in life?
> 
> 
> Abhinav Lal 
> Writer & Investor
> 
> “Give me freedom, or give me death”

Free will was in during the good old days.Today GOP Mafia tells you what to do,or else.Get the picture.Bert

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