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  OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 14:31 -0700
    Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 20:13 -0500
    Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 18:39 -0700
    Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-09-30 19:21 -0700
      Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 06:28 +0200
    Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 07:08 +0200
      Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 23:32 -0700
        Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-10-01 11:21 -0700
          sauce for styro noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 11:41 -0700
            sauce from styro, and plastic is your primary tool in the neolithic ... what ever was before that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 18:35 -0700
      Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-01 15:47 -0700
        Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 06:38 +0200
          Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-02 13:34 -0700
    Re: OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 13:58 -0700

#524015 — OT: Styrofoam May Not Be Forever

  Practically since styrofoam was invented, people have been going on about how it would contaminate the environment forever since it isn't biodegradable.

  Well, it turns out that it is. Just as ruminants can digest cellulose thanks to bacteria living in their guts, the humble mealworm can digest styrofoam because it similarly hosts bacteria that break the polystyrene down enough that the worms can thrive on it:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/0930/The-secret-to-composting-Styrofoam-Mealworms

  Now, the researchers are looking for a suitable marine analog to the mealworms to address all of the plastic in and on the oceans.

  This is all due to a 2009 discovery by a High School student (who seems to have been edged out of the current work), but sadly, not one in the U. S. school system:

http://www.sustainableplastics.org/news/mealworm-science-project-could-help-environment


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#524033

On 9/30/15 4:31 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>    Practically since styrofoam was invented, people have been going on about how it would contaminate the environment forever since it isn't biodegradable.
>
>    Well, it turns out that it is. Just as ruminants can digest cellulose thanks to bacteria living in their guts, the humble mealworm can digest styrofoam because it similarly hosts bacteria that break the polystyrene down enough that the worms can thrive on it:
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/0930/The-secret-to-composting-Styrofoam-Mealworms
>
>    Now, the researchers are looking for a suitable marine analog to the mealworms to address all of the plastic in and on the oceans.
>
>    This is all due to a 2009 discovery by a High School student (who seems to have been edged out of the current work), but sadly, not one in the U. S. school system:
>
> http://www.sustainableplastics.org/news/mealworm-science-project-could-help-environment
>
>
>    Mark L. Fergerson
>


-Thanks

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#524037

pretty obvious;
I was just saying that all plastics are ultimately compostable,
for some stupid reason.  like:
what is the most abundant plastic on rrth

> styrofoam because it similarly hosts bacteria that break the polystyrene down enough that the worms can thrive on it:
> 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/0930/The-secret-to-composting-Styrofoam-Mealworms
> 
>   Now, the researchers are looking for a suitable marine analog to the mealworms to address all of the plastic in and on the oceans.
> 
>   This is all due to a 2009 discovery by a High School student (who seems to have been edged out of the current work), but sadly, not one in the U. S. school system:
> 
> http://www.sustainableplastics.org/news/mealworm-science-project-could-help-environment
> 
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

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#524048

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-7, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> Practically since styrofoam was invented, people have been going on about how it would contaminate the environment forever since it isn't biodegradable.
> 
>   Well, it turns out that it is. Just as ruminants can digest cellulose thanks to bacteria living in their guts, the humble mealworm can digest styrofoam because it similarly hosts bacteria that break the polystyrene down enough that the worms can thrive on it:
> 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/0930/The-secret-to-composting-Styrofoam-Mealworms
> 
>   Now, the researchers are looking for a suitable marine analog to the mealworms to address all of the plastic in and on the oceans.
> 
>   This is all due to a 2009 discovery by a High School student (who seems to have been edged out of the current work), but sadly, not one in the U. S. school system:
> 
> http://www.sustainableplastics.org/news/mealworm-science-project-could-help-environment
> 
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson


Ever pour gasoline in a styrofoam cup?  The bottom dissolves and falls out quickly!  It is certainly far from indestructible.

Double-A

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#524062

Dne 01/10/2015 v 04:21 Double-A napsal(a):

> 
> Ever pour gasoline in a styrofoam cup?  The bottom dissolves and falls out quickly!  It is certainly far from indestructible.
> 

After solvent evaporation, there is left the same mass of polystyrene,
just not in foam form.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#524064

Dne 30/09/2015 v 23:31 nuny@bid.nes napsal(a):
>   Practically since styrofoam was invented, people have been going on about how it would contaminate the environment forever since it isn't biodegradable.
> 
>   Well, it turns out that it is. Just as ruminants can digest cellulose thanks to bacteria living in their guts, the humble mealworm can digest styrofoam because it similarly hosts bacteria that break the polystyrene down enough that the worms can thrive on it:
> 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/0930/The-secret-to-composting-Styrofoam-Mealworms
> 
>   Now, the researchers are looking for a suitable marine analog to the mealworms to address all of the plastic in and on the oceans.
> 
>   This is all due to a 2009 discovery by a High School student (who seems to have been edged out of the current work), but sadly, not one in the U. S. school system:
> 
> http://www.sustainableplastics.org/news/mealworm-science-project-could-help-environment
> 
> 
Aside of biodegradation, otherwise not degradable plastics,
not intended to be time durable, are primed by chemical additives
to be degradable slowly by chemical way.

You may notice the plastic supermarket bags,
desintegrating in small pieces during years.



-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#524066

what is the most abundant plastic on rrth

> You may notice the plastic supermarket bags,
> desintegrating in small pieces during years.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> 
> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#524096

abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com says that he is not is "noTthaTguY"
but he is "Brian  Quincy Hutchings"  who originally posted as
Lyndon LaRouche's roach that morphed into Mr. Potato head 
"Spudnick", then "rasterspace" & "tensegriboy" who fossilized on
"1treePetrifiedForestLane" <Space998@hotmail.com> who wrote:
> what is the most abundant plastic on rrth
> 
hanson wrote:
"plastic" is a bad word for your question. 
Everything is plastic if you squeeze it hard enough. 
You probably may have meant "polymer".
>
If that is the case then the most abundant (plastic) polymer 
is "cellulose" from grass on up to the trees, the latter of which
had to wait for evolution to concoct Lignin to bind and stiffen
the cellulose strands.
>
The single (monomer) unit of cellulose is the Glucose molecule,
(grape sugar), and another isomer of it is its life sustaining form
in your blood.  Link 2 of these gluco-units and you'll  get Table
sugar or Honey...Repeat that chain linking and you'll get starches.. 
and when going on you'll get cellulose.
>
... and the best part for the Drunkards, Boozers & Alkies amongst
you, add some yeast or other fungi and they make the Alcohol for 
you that you desperately crave.... Drink it quickly before some dirt 
(like Mn) gets blown into it and turns it into Vinegar.. ahahahaha....
>
In the 'mobile world the most abundant polymers are Keratin 
of the Skin, hairs and feathers with Sulfur being the limiting 
factor, or Chitosan etc for the exo-skeletons of insects, 
crustaceans and marine animals. Its monomer, the Glucosamine
is closely related to the cellulose's building block the Glucose,
where one of the OH Groups is substituted for an Amino group.
>
To find the most abundant *synthetic* plastic on earth you get 
easily regional or national production data, since that is paid for.
But to get a global data set will have to shell out $50 for a "report".
OTOH you get all kind of Green Shit on Plastics, of how bad
and dangerous they are, which the Green Turds stick up you your
ass whether you like it or not... 
Eliminate the Greens and the world will be a Greener Place!
>
"Poutnik" <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> who says that "Knowledge 
makes great men humble, but small men arrogant", just like he is
since "Poutnik" is  a Czech Jew who wanders around, aimlessly , 
and praisibng himself and wrote:
>> You may notice the plastic supermarket bags,
>> desintegrating in small pieces during years.
>> 
hanson wrote:
Well that is all good and right, but here is some useful factoid.
Keep those Styrofoam sheets & blocks that come in packages
as spacers and shock absorbers. 
They makes a superb glue, cheap. 
Take some of the solvents that you have at hand, like IPA, 
Paint stripper, Nail polish remover. Turpentine, Acetone, MEK,
etc and check which one "eats" fast into the Styro foam
Then put as much of the chosen solvent into a glass jar and 
stick Styrofoam pieces into it... which will dissolve very fast. 
Stir and repeat till you have the right viscosity. ... 
... and there you have you glue/adhesive...  for free and faster
than a trip to the store.  

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#524100 — sauce for styro

ah, so it is, and to be said ...
less or more

> "plastic" is a bad word for your question. 
> Everything is plastic if you squeeze it hard enough. 
> You probably may have meant "polymer".
> >
> If that is the case then the most abundant (plastic) polymer 
> is "cellulose" from grass on up to the trees, the latter of which
> had to wait for evolution to concoct Lignin to bind and stiffen
> the cellulose strands.
> >
> The single (monomer) unit of cellulose is the Glucose molecule,
> (grape sugar), and another isomer of it is its life sustaining form
> in your blood.  Link 2 of these gluco-units and you'll  get Table
> sugar or Honey...Repeat that chain linking and you'll get starches.. 
> and when going on you'll get cellulose.
> >
> ... and the best part for the Drunkards, Boozers & Alkies amongst
> you, add some yeast or other fungi and they make the Alcohol for 
> you that you desperately crave.... Drink it quickly before some dirt 
> (like Mn) gets blown into it and turns it into Vinegar.. ahahahaha....
> >
> In the 'mobile world the most abundant polymers are Keratin 
> of the Skin, hairs and feathers with Sulfur being the limiting 
> factor, or Chitosan etc for the exo-skeletons of insects, 
> crustaceans and marine animals. Its monomer, the Glucosamine
> is closely related to the cellulose's building block the Glucose,
> where one of the OH Groups is substituted for an Amino group.

> hanson wrote:
> Well that is all good and right, but here is some useful factoid.
> Keep those Styrofoam sheets & blocks that come in packages
> as spacers and shock absorbers. 
> They makes a superb glue, cheap. 
> Take some of the solvents that you have at hand, like IPA, 
> Paint stripper, Nail polish remover. Turpentine, Acetone, MEK,
> etc and check which one "eats" fast into the Styro foam
> Then put as much of the chosen solvent into a glass jar and 
> stick Styrofoam pieces into it... which will dissolve very fast. 
> Stir and repeat till you have the right viscosity. ... 
> ... and there you have you glue/adhesive...  for free and faster
> than a trip to the store.

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#524185 — sauce from styro, and plastic is your primary tool in the neolithic ... what ever was before that

um, adhesive, perhaps, but,
since plastique used to be an adjective,
it is simpler just to say, wOOd

> ah, so it is, and to be said ...
> less or more

> > dyssolve my styrooam headgear, than a trip to the store.

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#524158

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 10:08:16 PM UTC-7, Poutnik wrote:
> Dne 30/09/2015 v 23:31 nuny@bid.nes napsal(a):
> >   Practically since styrofoam was invented, people have been going on about how it would contaminate the environment forever since it isn't biodegradable.
> > 
> >   Well, it turns out that it is. Just as ruminants can digest cellulose thanks to bacteria living in their guts, the humble mealworm can digest styrofoam because it similarly hosts bacteria that break the polystyrene down enough that the worms can thrive on it:
> > 
> > http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/0930/The-secret-to-composting-Styrofoam-Mealworms
> > 
> >   Now, the researchers are looking for a suitable marine analog to the mealworms to address all of the plastic in and on the oceans.
> > 
> >   This is all due to a 2009 discovery by a High School student (who seems to have been edged out of the current work), but sadly, not one in the U. S. school system:
> > 
> > http://www.sustainableplastics.org/news/mealworm-science-project-could-help-environment
> > 
> > 
> Aside of biodegradation, otherwise not degradable plastics,
> not intended to be time durable, are primed by chemical additives
> to be degradable slowly by chemical way.
> 
> You may notice the plastic supermarket bags,
> desintegrating in small pieces during years.


Sort of like the disappearing ink on their receipts?

Double-A

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#524205

Dne 02/10/2015 v 00:47 Double-A napsal(a):
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 10:08:16 PM UTC-7, Poutnik wrote:

>> Aside of biodegradation, otherwise not degradable plastics,
>> not intended to be time durable, are primed by chemical additives
>> to be degradable slowly by chemical way.
>>
>> You may notice the plastic supermarket bags,
>> desintegrating in small pieces during years.
> 
> 
> Sort of like the disappearing ink on their receipts?
> 
Their ?

Rather like fading colours of posters exposed to the Sun.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#524287

On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 9:38:56 PM UTC-7, Poutnik wrote:
> Dne 02/10/2015 v 00:47 Double-A napsal(a):
> > On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 10:08:16 PM UTC-7, Poutnik wrote:
> 
> >> Aside of biodegradation, otherwise not degradable plastics,
> >> not intended to be time durable, are primed by chemical additives
> >> to be degradable slowly by chemical way.
> >>
> >> You may notice the plastic supermarket bags,
> >> desintegrating in small pieces during years.
> > 
> > 
> > Sort of like the disappearing ink on their receipts?
> > 
> Their ?
> 
> Rather like fading colours of posters exposed to the Sun.
> 
> -- 
> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> 
> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.


Not exposed to the Sun.  I have kept store receipts in a dark place, yet only months later they can barely be read.  It is almost like they don't want you bringing anything back for a refund!

Double-A

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#524297

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 2:31:44 PM UTC-7, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> Practically since styrofoam was invented, people have been going on about how it would contaminate the environment forever since it isn't biodegradable.
> 
>   Well, it turns out that it is. Just as ruminants can digest cellulose thanks to bacteria living in their guts, the humble mealworm can digest styrofoam because it similarly hosts bacteria that break the polystyrene down enough that the worms can thrive on it:
> 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2015/0930/The-secret-to-composting-Styrofoam-Mealworms
> 
>   Now, the researchers are looking for a suitable marine analog to the mealworms to address all of the plastic in and on the oceans.
> 
>   This is all due to a 2009 discovery by a High School student (who seems to have been edged out of the current work), but sadly, not one in the U. S. school system:
> 
> http://www.sustainableplastics.org/news/mealworm-science-project-could-help-environment
> 
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

I have many posts that go with. Its bacteria all the way down,and Earth is first and last a microbe planet. TreBert

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