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'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!!

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  'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 23:01 -0700
    Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-06-20 12:31 -0700
      Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 17:52 -0700
        Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-20 20:36 -0500
          Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 08:40 -0500
            Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-21 10:50 -0500
              Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 11:41 -0500
                Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 02:45 -0700
              Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700
                Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-21 19:17 -0500
                  Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-22 15:51 +0000
                    Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 02:50 -0700
                Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-21 19:36 -0500
                  Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 18:55 -0700
                  Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 09:53 -0700
                    Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-22 13:35 -0500
                      Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 14:58 -0700
              Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 23:47 -0700
        Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-21 02:06 +0000
        Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-06-21 13:30 -0700
      Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 18:29 -0700
      Re: 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:46 -0700
        corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 14:32 -0700
          Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 23:55 -0700
            Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 06:10 -0700
              Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 02:48 -0700
                Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 16:21 -0700
                  Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 16:52 -0700
                    Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-26 17:00 -0700
                      Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-27 17:13 -0700
                        Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 00:27 -0700
                          space is free with atoms in it noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 10:54 -0700

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#585922

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-20 18:29 -0700
Message-ID<2f54d377-36c4-4ad2-8139-0308de59d551@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585854
that is just a reification of the ideal of Newton,
who also said tha tlight goes faster in ... tarpaper

> Of course.  All other particles have mass, so why not photons?  Just because our science has not yet precise enough instruments to measure it does not mean it does not exist.
> 
> Double-A

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#585962

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-21 00:46 -0700
Message-ID<9913cbb6-2444-4be2-8621-a223491ff471@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585854
On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:31:14 PM UTC+3, Double-A wrote:
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 11:01:08 PM UTC-7, Y.Porat wrote:
> > 'NO MASS' -THE ONLY **ONE* !!!! MASS -== NO REAL PHYSICS !!!
> > 
> > Even photons have mass = the only one mass !
> > (not ''relativistic'' and not 'schmelativistic '' mass !!
> >  
> > old copyright by
> > 
> >  TIA
> > Eng
> > Y.Porat
> >  ================================
> 
> 
> Of course.  All other particles have mass, so why not photons?  Just because our science has not yet precise enough instruments to measure it does not mean it does not exist.
> 
> Double-A
===========================
right 
mi will tell you why it was so difficult for physicists 
togetit 
it started with the relativistic rule
that 
NO MASS CAN REAC c'''..


ie 
if it Actually moves at c 
'''''ITS MASS SHOULD BECOME INFINIRE """!!!!

SO 'SMATIES' SAIED 
IF SO '''IT MAS NO MASS '' !!

and that was disastrous for advance in physics !!

it didn t occur to those smart mathematicians that call themselves physicist 
THAT THE PHOTON (MASS)  IS A EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT
'NO MASS CN REACH C '''

please note that even mathematically
while v=c

the gamma factor becomes UNDEFINED EVEN MATHEMATICALLY !!!
AGAIN EVEN MATHEMATICASLLY IT IS UNDEFINED !!

so they   picked the alternative  that fited  their
crippled  biased notion that
the photon has no mass
and instead adopted the new crocked idea
that
IT HAS ONLY ''RELATIVISTIC MASS'

THEY COULD NOT RUN AWAY FROM ADMITTTUNG MAASS
BECAUSE THE MASS DINENTUIN IS BUILT IN THE FORMULA!
========================
than came an anonymous called Y Porat
and told the smaties 
E ''single'  [photon
is not E single = hf
but rather 

E single photon energy is = hf times n
while 
0 > n <<<<<<1.000
proves by a simple experiment that
light is emitted during  much MUCH less that a second

WHILE F IS ONE SECOND DEFINED !!!
in shot 
historic break through    in physics !
by an anonymous called
--------------
Eng
Yehiel Porat
----------------------------
yet the bad part of it is
 that it takes so long(much too long ) for **decent* 
honest cleaver people
to admit it and internalize it
for real advance in physics  
may be because of private personal  
politics in physics  !!
=============================
2
the mass of the real single photon was calculated by me
as
about expo -90 Kilogram 
THEONLY ONE  KILOGRAM 11
not relativistic and not 'schmelativistic' 
ie
it will never be even ****detected** !!as ''a single'
but as a huge bundle of single photons
and here goes that
'double slit phenomenon 'enigmas'' ) as well 11....
========================
TIA
anonymous 
Y.P
=========================================

 

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#586074 — corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-21 14:32 -0700
Subjectcorpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<7a972cfd-5432-4cb6-afa5-45bac9fd3164@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#585962
this is just an artifact of the newtonion corpuscle,
which was completely wrong, because
eL Fig alleged that light goes faster in denser media.  so, anyway,
*all* properties of light are those of waves
in the matter of free space,
totally dependent on the index of refraction of the medium ...
index for air at sealevel is 1.0003; so,
at what heighth would the index be 1.00003, 1.000003, 1.0000003 etc.

> it didn t occur to those smart mathematicians that call themselves physicist 
> THAT THE PHOTON (MASS)  IS A EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT
> 'NO MASS CN REACH C '''
> 
> please note that even mathematically
> while v=c
> 
> the gamma factor becomes UNDEFINED EVEN MATHEMATICALLY !!!
> AGAIN EVEN MATHEMATICASLLY IT IS UNDEFINED !!
> 
> so they   picked the alternative  that fited  their
> crippled  biased notion that
> the photon has no mass
> and instead adopted the new crocked idea
> that
> IT HAS ONLY ''RELATIVISTIC MASS'
> 
> THEY COULD NOT RUN AWAY FROM ADMITTTUNG MAASS
> BECAUSE THE MASS DINENTUIN IS BUILT IN THE FORMULA!
> ========================
> than came an anonymous called Y Porat
> and told the smaties 
> E ''single'  [photon
> is not E single = hf
> but rather 
> 
> E single photon energy is = hf times n
> while 
> 0 > n <<<<<<1.000
> proves by a simple experiment that
> light is emitted during  much MUCH less that a second
> 
> WHILE F IS ONE SECOND DEFINED !!!
> in shot 
> historic break through    in physics !
> by an anonymous called
> --------------
> Eng
> Yehiel Porat
> ----------------------------
> yet the bad part of it is
>  that it takes so long(much too long ) for **decent* 
> honest cleaver people
> to admit it and internalize it
> for real advance in physics  
> may be because of private personal  
> politics in physics  !!
> =============================
> 2
> the mass of the real single photon was calculated by me
> as
> about expo -90 Kilogram 
> THEONLY ONE  KILOGRAM 11
> not relativistic and not 'schmelativistic' 
> ie
> it will never be even ****detected** !!as ''a single'
> but as a huge bundle of single photons
> and here goes that
> 'double slit phenomenon 'enigmas'' ) as well 11....
> ========================
> TIA
> anonymous 
> Y.P
> =========================================

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#586132 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-21 23:55 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<94ea9407-e4ab-4f8a-b1f4-e7b71b23fc76@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#586074
On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 12:32:44 AM UTC+3, noTthaTguY wrote:
> this is just an artifact of the newtonion corpuscle,
> which was completely wrong, because
> eL Fig alleged that light goes faster in denser media.  so, anyway,
> *all* properties of light are those of waves
> in the matter of free space,
> totally dependent on the index of refraction of the medium ...
> index for air at sealevel is 1.0003; so,
> at what heighth would the index be 1.00003, 1.000003, 1.0000003 etc.
> 
> > it didn t occur to those smart mathematicians that call themselves physicist 
> > THAT THE PHOTON (MASS)  IS A EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT
> > 'NO MASS CN REACH C '''
> > 
> > please note that even mathematically
> > while v=c
> > 
> > the gamma factor becomes UNDEFINED EVEN MATHEMATICALLY !!!
> > AGAIN EVEN MATHEMATICASLLY IT IS UNDEFINED !!
> > 
> > so they   picked the alternative  that fited  their
> > crippled  biased notion that
> > the photon has no mass
> > and instead adopted the new crocked idea
> > that
> > IT HAS ONLY ''RELATIVISTIC MASS'
> > 
> > THEY COULD NOT RUN AWAY FROM ADMITTTUNG MAASS
> > BECAUSE THE MASS DINENTUIN IS BUILT IN THE FORMULA!
> > ========================
> > than came an anonymous called Y Porat
> > and told the smaties 
> > E ''single'  [photon
> > is not E single = hf
> > but rather 
> > 
> > E single photon energy is = hf times n
> > while 
> > 0 > n <<<<<<1.000
> > proves by a simple experiment that
> > light is emitted during  much MUCH less that a second
> > 
> > WHILE F IS ONE SECOND DEFINED !!!
> > in shot 
> > historic break through    in physics !
> > by an anonymous called
> > --------------
> > Eng
> > Yehiel Porat
> > ----------------------------
> > yet the bad part of it is
> >  that it takes so long(much too long ) for **decent* 
> > honest cleaver people
> > to admit it and internalize it
> > for real advance in physics  
> > may be because of private personal  
> > politics in physics  !!
> > =============================
> > 2
> > the mass of the real single photon was calculated by me
> > as
> > about expo -90 Kilogram 
> > THEONLY ONE  KILOGRAM 11
> > not relativistic and not 'schmelativistic' 
> > ie
> > it will never be even ****detected** !!as ''a single'
> > but as a huge bundle of single photons
> > and here goes that
> > 'double slit phenomenon 'enigmas'' ) as well 11....
> > ========================
> > TIA
> > anonymous 
> > Y.P
> > =========================================

even photons has mass THE ONLY MASS !!
NOT RELATIVISTIC MASS AND NOT SCHMELATIVISTIC MASS
JJUST THE ONE ONLY MASS !!
ATB
Y.Porat
===============================================

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#586158 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-22 06:10 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<db1f4cf5-f6fd-4dcf-8b7a-eb6a15dcfffb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#586132
Mass is caused by the interaction
between the 'ocean' of Space and
the matter in question. That matter
is absorbing energy from the incoming 'waves'
of energy all the time by being in sync
with them. Since matter is vibrating
in all directions equally, it absorbs from
all directions equally.
It is possible to control the matter's
vibrations to one plane, instantaneously,
by having all the atoms precess in sync,
which limits the direction of absorption
to the axis of precession, making the
matter "massless" from all other
directions

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#586554 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-25 02:48 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<5ebbd4b0-77ca-4088-b92c-877c6a2ffe45@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#586158
On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 4:10:37 PM UTC+3, john wrote:
> Mass is caused by the interaction
> between the 'ocean' of Space and
> the matter in question. That matter
> is absorbing energy from the incoming 'waves'
> of energy all the time by being in sync
> with them. Since matter is vibrating
> in all directions equally, it absorbs from
> all directions equally.
> It is possible to control the matter's
> vibrations to one plane, instantaneously,
> by having all the atoms precess in sync,
> which limits the direction of absorption
> to the axis of precession, making the
> matter "massless" from all other
> directions
===========================
mass is not caused from anything else!!
it is there ever since !! 
2
it is the mother of all forces including gravity 
and if so
it is the mother of anything we know 
2
the only property of space is to host mass !!

ATB
Y.Porat
================================================================

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#586706 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-25 16:21 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<1ce38eee-7db9-41a7-b3a3-ae2176b0140c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#586554
neither one of you has bothered to use Snell's laW,
which is the simplest use of the law of sines,
other than a/sinA = c/sinC

> > by having all the atoms precess in sync,
> > which limits the direction of absorption
> > to the axis of precession, making the
> > matter "massless" from all other
> > directions
> ===========================
> mass is not caused from anything else!!
> it is there ever since !! 
> 2
> it is the mother of all forces including gravity 
> and if so
> it is the mother of anything we know 
> 2
> the only property of space is to host mass !!
> 
> ATB
> Y.Porat
> ================================================================

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#586718 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-25 16:52 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<ec76bdee-e09e-481d-89e7-6339546b3526@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#586706
the actual proof is to construct the diameter
from any of the vertices

> other than a/sinA = c/sinC

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#586840 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-26 17:00 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<bc633509-eb4b-4c63-b80b-59010cf555a6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#586718
conventionally, sinC/c = diameter. or some thing;
apply to TetrahedronometrY 0.0001

of course, Snell's law is applied
to a lino-of-sight,
thus substituting a single normal to the wavefront
(a "ray

> the actual proof is to construct the diameter
> from any of the vertices
> 
> > other than a/sinA = c/sinC

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#587031 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-27 17:13 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<468f4653-7d15-4b7c-81a4-5118cd166f37@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#586840
for a rough, instantaneous average,
take the normal ray as a diameter

> of course, Snell's law is applied
> to a linE-of-sight,
> thus substituting a single normal to the wavefront
> (a "ray

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#587084 — Re: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-28 00:27 -0700
SubjectRe: corpuscles are onion\newty (and Snell's laW is the simplest sine law, other then the law of sines (a/sinA = b/sinB = c/sinC ... what is the spatial version
Message-ID<d434f12d-3305-4047-a705-a1950cb02073@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#587031
On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 3:13:59 AM UTC+3, noTthaTguY wrote:
> for a rough, instantaneous average,
> take the normal ray as a diameter
> 
> > of course, Snell's law is applied
> > to a linE-of-sight,
> > thus substituting a single normal to the wavefront
> > (a "ray
================================
next to human beings !!
TIA
Y.Porat
========================================

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#587123 — space is free with atoms in it

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-28 10:54 -0700
Subjectspace is free with atoms in it
Message-ID<1682f133-f775-49ce-93c5-c353eeb01a0c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#587084
this, if you have a pair of detectors placed diametrically,
gives you the average index of refraction,
that far into "free space

> > for a rough, instantaneous average,
> > take the normal ray as a diameter
> > 
> > > of course, Snell's law is applied
> > > to a linE-of-sight,
> > > thus substituting a single normal to the wavefront
> > > (a "ray
> ================================
> next to human beings !!
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ========================================

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