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  After the particle physics degree Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 16:40 -0600
    Re: After the particle physics degree jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-04 23:13 +0000
    Re: After the particle physics degree "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-05 04:44 -0800
      Re: After the particle physics degree Timo <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> - 2015-12-06 15:20 -0800
        Re: After the particle physics degree gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-06 18:33 -0600
          Re: After the particle physics degree Timo <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> - 2015-12-09 17:23 -0800
        Re: After the particle physics degree "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 03:00 -0800
    Re: After the particle physics degree gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-06 07:55 -0600

#537439 — After the particle physics degree

After the particle physics degree
> http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/after-the-particle-physics-degree



> Figuring out insurance rates and conducting particle physics research
> are more similar than one might expect. Both depend on interpreting
> complicated data using high-level mathematical analysis.
>
> For particle physicist Meghan Anzelc, that overlap helped her
> transition from newly minted PhD to insurance cost analyst.
>
> Today, as an assistant vice president at CNA in Chicago, Anzelc
> trains her group to use programming language and database tools to
> predict insurance pricing for small-business clients. She says the
> job requires her to use many of the skills she learned in her
> undergraduate and graduate physics work—data manipulation, critical
> and analytical thinking, and working as a team.
>

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#537454

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> After the particle physics degree
>> http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/after-the-particle-physics-degree
> 
> 
> 
>> Figuring out insurance rates and conducting particle physics research
>> are more similar than one might expect. Both depend on interpreting
>> complicated data using high-level mathematical analysis.
>>
>> For particle physicist Meghan Anzelc, that overlap helped her
>> transition from newly minted PhD to insurance cost analyst.
>>
>> Today, as an assistant vice president at CNA in Chicago, Anzelc
>> trains her group to use programming language and database tools to
>> predict insurance pricing for small-business clients. She says the
>> job requires her to use many of the skills she learned in her
>> undergraduate and graduate physics work?data manipulation, critical
>> and analytical thinking, and working as a team.

Lucky her; real jobs in physics are few and far between. 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537509

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 12:40:45 AM UTC+2, Sam Wormley wrote:
> After the particle physics degree
> > http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/after-the-particle-physics-degree
> 
> 
> 
> > Figuring out insurance rates and conducting particle physics research
> > are more similar than one might expect. Both depend on interpreting
> > complicated data using high-level mathematical analysis.
> >
> > For particle physicist Meghan Anzelc, that overlap helped her
> > transition from newly minted PhD to insurance cost analyst.
> >
> > Today, as an assistant vice president at CNA in Chicago, Anzelc
> > trains her group to use programming language and database tools to
> > predict insurance pricing for small-business clients. She says the
> > job requires her to use many of the skills she learned in her
> > undergraduate and graduate physics work--data manipulation, critical
> > and analytical thinking, and working as a team.
> >
> 
> -- 
 =============================
nonsense !!!

Y.Porat
===================================

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#537729

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 10:44:11 PM UTC+10, Y.Porat wrote:
> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 12:40:45 AM UTC+2, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > She says the
> > > job requires her to use many of the skills she learned in her
> > > undergraduate and graduate physics work--data manipulation, critical
> > > and analytical thinking, and working as a team.
>  =============================
> nonsense !!!

Which part is nonsense? That insurance cost analysis uses data, data analysis, critical and analytical thinking, and working as a team, or that physics uses data, data analysis, critical and analytical thinking, and working as a team?

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#537744

On 12/6/2015 5:20 PM, Timo wrote:
> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 10:44:11 PM UTC+10, Y.Porat wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 12:40:45 AM UTC+2, Sam Wormley
>> wrote:
>>>> She says the job requires her to use many of the skills she
>>>> learned in her undergraduate and graduate physics work--data
>>>> manipulation, critical and analytical thinking, and working as
>>>> a team.
>> ============================= nonsense !!!
>
> Which part is nonsense? That insurance cost analysis uses data, data
> analysis, critical and analytical thinking, and working as a team, or
> that physics uses data, data analysis, critical and analytical
> thinking, and working as a team?
>

           your logic is false

a Physicist has two legs, a monkey has two legs, therefore all
Physicists are monkeys.



smart monkey (autorepair) is level 1
insurance cost analysis is level 3,
physicist is level 10

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#538338

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 10:33:15 AM UTC+10, gilber34 wrote:
> On 12/6/2015 5:20 PM, Timo wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 10:44:11 PM UTC+10, Y.Porat wrote:
> >> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 12:40:45 AM UTC+2, Sam Wormley
> >> wrote:
> >>>> She says the job requires her to use many of the skills she
> >>>> learned in her undergraduate and graduate physics work--data
> >>>> manipulation, critical and analytical thinking, and working as
> >>>> a team.
> >> ============================= nonsense !!!
> >
> > Which part is nonsense? That insurance cost analysis uses data, data
> > analysis, critical and analytical thinking, and working as a team, or
> > that physics uses data, data analysis, critical and analytical
> > thinking, and working as a team?
> 
>            your logic is false
> 
> a Physicist has two legs, a monkey has two legs, therefore all
> Physicists are monkeys.

Logic? I'm just asking Porat for clarification about his "nonsense". Wasn't arguing anything.

But if you're disagreeing with the logic in the OP, that a physics PhD leaves one qualified to work in insurance cost analysis, your list:

> smart monkey (autorepair) is level 1
> insurance cost analysis is level 3,
> physicist is level 10

suggests that you should agree with it. Or are you claiming that somebody with better skills can't do a lower-skilled job?

(I haven't seen anybody claim that working in insurance cost analysis leaves one qualified to do particle physics.)

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#538599

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 1:20:49 AM UTC+2, Timo wrote:
> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 10:44:11 PM UTC+10, Y.Porat wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 12:40:45 AM UTC+2, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > She says the
> > > > job requires her to use many of the skills she learned in her
> > > > undergraduate and graduate physics work--data manipulation, critical
> > > > and analytical thinking, and working as a team.
> >  =============================
> > nonsense !!!
> 
> Which part is nonsense? That insurance cost analysis uses data, data analysis, critical and analytical thinking, and working as a team, or that physics uses data, data analysis, critical and analytical thinking, and working as a team?

==========================
in particle research we are in a very very specific knowledge 

ie nothing of **abstract** knowledge or hand waving 
including of some very specific geometry and skled ability
to cope with it
combined with chemical physics nuclear knowledge
crystalline knowledge 
binding energy knowledge    
and excuse me the words
some ingenuity ability   
a bit of the character of being able to 
kill current dogma 
courage to be 'unaccepted 'and even abused by 
private common interests /business 

 sort of the 'old clergy ' like clergy of 500 years ago 
etc etc  
---------------
BTW   NU
i appreciate you personally 
your open minded  and your integrity 
unlike most of the members here 

TIA
Y.Porat
======================   

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#537645

On 12/4/2015 4:40 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> After the particle physics degree
>> http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/after-the-particle-physics-degree
>
>
>
>> Figuring out insurance rates and conducting particle physics research
>> are more similar than one might expect. Both depend on interpreting
>> complicated data using high-level mathematical analysis.
>>
>> For particle physicist Meghan Anzelc, that overlap helped her
>> transition from newly minted PhD to insurance cost analyst.
>>
>> Today, as an assistant vice president at CNA in Chicago, Anzelc
>> trains her group to use programming language and database tools to
>> predict insurance pricing for small-business clients. She says the
>> job requires her to use many of the skills she learned in her
>> undergraduate and graduate physics work—data manipulation, critical
>> and analytical thinking, and working as a team.
>>
>

so forget physics,
and welcome that 'state of the art' field "insurance cost analyst".

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