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  Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-01 11:57 +0000
    Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-01 12:57 +0000
      Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-01 16:44 +0000
        Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-01 16:55 +0000
          Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Ian <gay@sfu.ca> - 2026-02-01 16:19 -0800
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-02 05:35 +0100
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-02 05:40 +0100
              Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-02-02 08:02 -0600
                Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-02 14:44 +0000
                Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-03 04:54 +0100
              Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-02 07:20 -0800
                Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-02 16:30 +0000
                  Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-02 19:27 +0000
                Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-02 22:55 +0100
              Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Ian <gay@sfu.ca> - 2026-02-02 14:30 -0800
                Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-03 02:03 +0100
      Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-09 14:19 +0000
    Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-02 00:41 +1100
      Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-01 09:58 -0500
      Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-02 08:50 -0800
        Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-02 09:28 -0800
        Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-02-02 11:49 -0600
          Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-02 14:23 -0500
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-02 12:39 -0800
              Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-02 15:53 -0500
        Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-02-02 11:43 -0600
        Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> - 2026-02-02 16:49 -0500
          Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-02 20:42 -0800
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-04 20:11 +0100
              Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-05 16:24 -0800
                Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-06 02:09 +0100
                  Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-06 00:24 -0800
                    Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-06 20:18 +1100
                Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-06 18:07 +1100
                  Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-07 01:54 +0100
                    Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-07 19:48 -0800
                      Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-08 11:42 +0000
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-05 16:48 -0800
          Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-04 16:36 +0100
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-04 08:49 -0800
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2026-02-04 10:58 -0600
              Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-04 19:44 +0100
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-04 18:21 -0800
        Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-03 15:54 +1100
          Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-03 20:35 -0800
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-04 16:59 +1100
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-04 16:58 +0100
            Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-05 14:35 +0000
        Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-04 16:23 +0100
    Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Colin <colin@example.invalid> - 2026-02-01 18:31 +0000
      Re: Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion? Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-02 05:54 +0000

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#895033

On Mon, 02 Feb 2026 08:50:03 -0800, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:

>Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> > I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
>> > that I recoded last week from  zdfinfo.de
>> >   https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
>> > It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.
>> > 
>> > So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>> > that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
>> > could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
>> > Electromagnets should work too of course.
>> > 
>> > Any aliens here that have used it?
>> 
>> Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or 
>> aircraft around.
>
>
>Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun and
>galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.

Cool. Thanks for the laugh.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#895035

Jan Panteltje wrote:
> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
> that you can moveto give you a force in the direction you want to
> go...

You can't control the direction of the force.  In any case the magnitude
of the force would probably down there with the light pressure from
stars lightyears away.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#895037

On 2026-02-02 12:49, John Hasler wrote:
> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>> that you can moveto give you a force in the direction you want to
>> go...
> 
> You can't control the direction of the force.  In any case the magnitude
> of the force would probably down there with the light pressure from
> stars lightyears away.
> 

And a dipole couples to the field gradient, not the field, so the effect 
would be vanishing**2ly small.  (Or is that vanishing**3fly?)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

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#895039

On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 14:23:33 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 2026-02-02 12:49, John Hasler wrote:
>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>>> that you can moveto give you a force in the direction you want to
>>> go...
>> 
>> You can't control the direction of the force.  In any case the magnitude
>> of the force would probably down there with the light pressure from
>> stars lightyears away.
>> 
>
>And a dipole couples to the field gradient, not the field, so the effect 
>would be vanishing**2ly small.  (Or is that vanishing**3fly?)
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

One could use no fuel to drive from Boston to SF if you take only the
downhill roads.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#895040

On 2026-02-02 15:39, john larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 14:23:33 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-02-02 12:49, John Hasler wrote:
>>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>>>> that you can moveto give you a force in the direction you want to
>>>> go...
>>>
>>> You can't control the direction of the force.  In any case the magnitude
>>> of the force would probably down there with the light pressure from
>>> stars lightyears away.
>>>
>>
>> And a dipole couples to the field gradient, not the field, so the effect
>> would be vanishing**2ly small.  (Or is that vanishing**3fly?)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil Hobbs
> 
> One could use no fuel to drive from Boston to SF if you take only the
> downhill roads.
> 
> 
> John Larkin
> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
> Lunatic Fringe Electronics
> 

It could be downhill both ways if you lived at the school. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

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#895036

Bill Sloman wrote:
> Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or
> aircraft around.

Earth has a very weak magnetic field.  Consequently even near the poles
the force will be too small to be of any practical use.

The torque on a dipole is sometimes used for satellite attitude control.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#895041

On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
>>> that I recoded last week from  zdfinfo.de
>>>    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
>>> It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.
>>>
>>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>>> that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
>>> could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
>>> Electromagnets should work too of course.
>>>
>>> Any aliens here that have used it?
>>
>> Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or
>> aircraft around.
> 
> 
> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun and
> galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.

That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal.
We'll start orbiting the sun in the opposite direction.
Or maybe it will just make time go backwards.  Who knows?
Ed

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#895046

ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> > Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>> I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
> >>> that I recoded last week from  zdfinfo.de
> >>>    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
> >>> It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.
> >>>
> >>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
> >>> that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
> >>> could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
> >>> Electromagnets should work too of course.
> >>>
> >>> Any aliens here that have used it?
> >>
> >> Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or
> >> aircraft around.
> > 
> > 
> > Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun and
> > galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
> 
> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal.
> We'll start orbiting the sun in the opposite direction.
> Or maybe it will just make time go backwards.  Who knows?
> Ed

It can at least makes time stand still.  Did you know Joshua commanded
the sun to stand still for 2 hours so he could finish his slaughter?  He
made all the virgin Amorite girls hold up their mirrors to reflect the
magnetic field the other way, so the earth stopped spinning while his
men finished slaughtering the rest of the Amorites.  Then Josh's men
ravished their new concubines.  They were the sluttiest virgins.

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#895057

Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
               ^^^^^^^^
Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.

> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
>> 
>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
> 
> It can at least makes time stand still.

No, it cannot.

> Did you know Joshua commanded the sun to stand still for 2 hours so he 
> could finish his slaughter?

The Bible is a heavily redacted account of campfire and bedtime stories of
ignorant tent-dwelling bronze-age nomads, NOT a textbook.  To give you an
idea how ignorant they were: they did not even know that Earth is a planet
that is orbiting a star, and that the Sun is that star.

Not only did Joshua not made the Sun to stand still, because he could not;
there is also no evidence to support the idea that he ever existed:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua#Current_mainstream_opinion>

> He made all the virgin Amorite girls hold up their mirrors to reflect 
> the magnetic field the other way, [...]

Mirrors do not "reflect magnetic fields".  They reflect _light_, which is
(best described as) an electromagnetic wave: an oscillation of electric and
magnetic fields that _stay in place_ while that happens.

> so the earth stopped spinning while his men finished slaughtering the
> rest of the Amorites.  Then Josh's men ravished their new concubines.
> They were the sluttiest virgins.

You are just trolling, right?  Otherwise I suggest that you also attend a
real school, not just Sunday school.

F'up2 sci.physics

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#895064

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
>                ^^^^^^^^
> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.

You need to stop being such a fuss budget.

I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and youll like it.


> > ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> >>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
> >>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
> >> 
> >> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
> >> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
> >> time go backwards.  Who knows?
> > 
> > It can at least makes time stand still.
> 
> No, it cannot.

Already proven.

The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
fabric.  Its all over your head.


> > Did you know Joshua commanded the sun to stand still for 2 hours so he 
> > could finish his slaughter?
> 
> The Bible is a heavily redacted account of campfire and bedtime stories of
> ignorant tent-dwelling bronze-age nomads, NOT a textbook.  To give you an
> idea how ignorant they were: they did not even know that Earth is a planet
> that is orbiting a star, and that the Sun is that star.
> 
> Not only did Joshua not made the Sun to stand still, because he could not;
> there is also no evidence to support the idea that he ever existed:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua#Current_mainstream_opinion>
> 
> > He made all the virgin Amorite girls hold up their mirrors to reflect 
> > the magnetic field the other way, [...]
> 
> Mirrors do not "reflect magnetic fields".  They reflect _light_, which is
> (best described as) an electromagnetic wave: an oscillation of electric and
> magnetic fields that _stay in place_ while that happens.

What a silly claim.  Reflector telescopes have mirrors.  They can see
magnetic storms on the sun.  You need some schooling.

Too bad you can't prove anything.


> > so the earth stopped spinning while his men finished slaughtering the
> > rest of the Amorites.  Then Josh's men ravished their new concubines.
> > They were the sluttiest virgins.
> 
> You are just trolling, right?  Otherwise I suggest that you also attend a
> real school, not just Sunday school.
> 
> F'up2 sci.physics

Try again, maybe it will work.

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#895066

Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
>>                ^^^^^^^^
>> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
>> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.
> 
> You need to stop being such a fuss budget.
> 
> I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and youll like it.

No; after I submit this correction, I will simply killfile you to prevent
you from wasting my precious time further.  May you die in ignorance.

>>> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>>>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
>>>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
>>>>
>>>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
>>>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
>>>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
>>>
>>> It can at least makes time stand still.
>>
>> No, it cannot.
> 
> Already proven.
> 
> The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
> fabric.  Its all over your head.

You have not the slightest clue what you are babbling about.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>

>> Mirrors do not "reflect magnetic fields".  They reflect _light_, which is
>> (best described as) an electromagnetic wave: an oscillation of electric and
>> magnetic fields that _stay in place_ while that happens.
> 
> What a silly claim.  Reflector telescopes have mirrors.

That does not mean that they reflect *magnetic fields*.

You have no clue what a magnetic field *is*.

> They can see magnetic storms on the sun.

No, they cannot.  You do not know how telescopes work either.

> You need some schooling.

I have studied Astrophysics at a *real-life* university (not Instagram
University like you), stupid.

> Too bad you can't prove anything.

Wrong.  You can only read this because the technology that you are using was
designed based on the assumption that the theory of Maxwell's
electrodynamics that I just sketched is fundamentally correct.

>>> so the earth stopped spinning while his men finished slaughtering the
>>> rest of the Amorites.  Then Josh's men ravished their new concubines.
>>> They were the sluttiest virgins.
>>
>> You are just trolling, right?  Otherwise I suggest that you also attend a
>> real school, not just Sunday school.
>>
>> F'up2 sci.physics
> 
> Try again, maybe it will work.

*PLONK*

F'up2 poster

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#895068

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> >> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
> >>                ^^^^^^^^
> >> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
> >> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.
> > 
> > You need to stop being such a fuss budget.
> > 
> > I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and youll like it.
> 
> No; after I submit this correction, I will simply killfile you to prevent
> you from wasting my precious time further.  May you die in ignorance.


LOL!!! Your going to killfile me, but only after you finish this little
apologetics tour on behalf of your make believe world.

Ok, we'll wait...


> >>> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> >>>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
> >>>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
> >>>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
> >>>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
> >>>
> >>> It can at least makes time stand still.
> >>
> >> No, it cannot.
> > 
> > Already proven.
> > 
> > The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
> > fabric.  Its all over your head.
> 
> You have not the slightest clue what you are babbling about.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>
> 
> >> Mirrors do not "reflect magnetic fields".  They reflect _light_, which is
> >> (best described as) an electromagnetic wave: an oscillation of electric and
> >> magnetic fields that _stay in place_ while that happens.
> > 
> > What a silly claim.  Reflector telescopes have mirrors.
> 
> That does not mean that they reflect *magnetic fields*.
> 
> You have no clue what a magnetic field *is*.
> 
> > They can see magnetic storms on the sun.
> 
> No, they cannot.  You do not know how telescopes work either.

You silly twat. You think sunspots cant be seen with a reflecter
telescope? Hahaha!


> > You need some schooling.
> 
> I have studied Astrophysics at a *real-life* university (not Instagram
> University like you), stupid.
> 
> > Too bad you can't prove anything.
> 
> Wrong.  You can only read this because the technology that you are using was
> designed based on the assumption that the theory of Maxwell's
> electrodynamics that I just sketched is fundamentally correct.

No its not.


> >>> so the earth stopped spinning while his men finished slaughtering the
> >>> rest of the Amorites.  Then Josh's men ravished their new concubines.
> >>> They were the sluttiest virgins.
> >>
> >> You are just trolling, right?  Otherwise I suggest that you also attend a
> >> real school, not just Sunday school.
> >>
> >> F'up2 sci.physics
> > 
> > Try again, maybe it will work.
> 
> *PLONK*
> 
> F'up2 poster


Stupid follow=up foiled again.

I win. Kegboy loses.

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#895069

On 6/02/2026 7:24 pm, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>>> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
>>>>                 ^^^^^^^^
>>>> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
>>>> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.
>>>
>>> You need to stop being such a fuss budget.
>>>
>>> I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and youll like it.
>>
>> No; after I submit this correction, I will simply killfile you to prevent
>> you from wasting my precious time further.  May you die in ignorance.
> 
> 
> LOL!!! Your going to killfile me, but only after you finish this little
> apologetics tour on behalf of your make believe world.
> 
> Ok, we'll wait...
> 
> 
>>>>> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
>>>>>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
>>>>>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
>>>>>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
>>>>>
>>>>> It can at least makes time stand still.
>>>>
>>>> No, it cannot.
>>>
>>> Already proven.
>>>
>>> The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
>>> fabric.  Its all over your head.
>>
>> You have not the slightest clue what you are babbling about.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>
>>
>>>> Mirrors do not "reflect magnetic fields".  They reflect _light_, which is
>>>> (best described as) an electromagnetic wave: an oscillation of electric and
>>>> magnetic fields that _stay in place_ while that happens.
>>>
>>> What a silly claim.  Reflector telescopes have mirrors.
>>
>> That does not mean that they reflect *magnetic fields*.
>>
>> You have no clue what a magnetic field *is*.
>>
>>> They can see magnetic storms on the sun.
>>
>> No, they cannot.  You do not know how telescopes work either.
> 
> You silly twat. You think sunspots can't be seen with a reflector
> telescope? Hahaha!

Sunspots are the consequences of magnetic fields, not the fields 
themselves. You can infer some facts about the magnetic fields involved 
from the optical images of the sun-spot, but not everything you might 
like to know.

>>> You need some schooling.
>>
>> I have studied Astrophysics at a *real-life* university (not Instagram
>> University like you), stupid.
>>
>>> Too bad you can't prove anything.
>>
>> Wrong.  You can only read this because the technology that you are using was
>> designed based on the assumption that the theory of Maxwell's
>> electrodynamics that I just sketched is fundamentally correct.
> 
> No its not.

In your opinion, which doesn't look all that well-informed.

>>>>> so the earth stopped spinning while his men finished slaughtering the
>>>>> rest of the Amorites.  Then Josh's men ravished their new concubines.
>>>>> They were the sluttiest virgins.
>>>>
>>>> You are just trolling, right?  Otherwise I suggest that you also attend a
>>>> real school, not just Sunday school.
>>>>
>>>> F'up2 sci.physics
>>>
>>> Try again, maybe it will work.
>>
>> *PLONK*
>>
>> F'up2 poster
>  
> Stupid follow=up foiled again.
> 
> I win. Kegboy loses.

A more objective observer might beg to differ.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#895067

On 6/02/2026 11:24 am, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
>>                 ^^^^^^^^
>> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
>> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.
> 
> You need to stop being such a fuss budget.
> 
> I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and you'll like it.

You can post what you like. This is an unmoderated group.
We don't have to like it, and we can and will ignore you if you don't 
have anything useful to say.

>>> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>>>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
>>>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
>>>>
>>>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
>>>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
>>>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
>>>
>>> It can at least makes time stand still.
>>
>> No, it cannot.
> 
> Already proven. >
> The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
> fabric.  Its all over your head.

And what's your evidence that this discontinuity exists (or ever 
existed). The Old Testament is just a repeatedly copied ancient text.
The copying process isn't error free.

>>> Did you know Joshua commanded the sun to stand still for 2 hours so he
>>> could finish his slaughter?
>>
>> The Bible is a heavily redacted account of campfire and bedtime stories of
>> ignorant tent-dwelling bronze-age nomads, NOT a textbook.  To give you an
>> idea how ignorant they were: they did not even know that Earth is a planet
>> that is orbiting a star, and that the Sun is that star.
>>
>> Not only did Joshua not made the Sun to stand still, because he could not;
>> there is also no evidence to support the idea that he ever existed:
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua#Current_mainstream_opinion>
>>
>>> He made all the virgin Amorite girls hold up their mirrors to reflect
>>> the magnetic field the other way, [...]
>>
>> Mirrors do not "reflect magnetic fields".  They reflect _light_, which is
>> (best described as) an electromagnetic wave: an oscillation of electric and
>> magnetic fields that _stay in place_ while that happens.
> 
> What a silly claim.  Reflector telescopes have mirrors.  They can see
> magnetic storms on the sun.  You need some schooling.

It's you that needs the schooling. Optical telescopes can't see magnetic 
storms. They can see the optical signal from writhing loops of hot 
plasma which are informative about the magnetic fields that are driving 
the writhing

> Too bad you can't prove anything.

Nobody can ever prove anything to an ignorant skeptic.

>>> so the earth stopped spinning while his men finished slaughtering the
>>> rest of the Amorites.  Then Josh's men ravished their new concubines.
>>> They were the sluttiest virgins.
>>
>> You are just trolling, right?  Otherwise I suggest that you also attend a
>> real school, not just Sunday school.
>>
>> F'up2 sci.physics
> 
> Try again, maybe it will work.

Schooling an ignorant skeptic is a waste of effort. They don't want to 
learn.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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#895074

Bill Sloman wrote:
> On 6/02/2026 11:24 am, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
>>>                 ^^^^^^^^
>>> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
>>> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.
>>
>> You need to stop being such a fuss budget.
>>
>> I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and you'll like it.
> 
> You can post what you like. This is an unmoderated group.
> We don't have to like it, and we can and will ignore you if you don't 
> have anything useful to say.

Full ACK.

>>>> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>>>>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
>>>>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
>>>>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
>>>>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
>>>>
>>>> It can at least makes time stand still.
>>>
>>> No, it cannot.
>>
>> Already proven. >
>> The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
>> fabric.  Its all over your head.

JFTR: I have studied Physics, including special and general relativity.
So this is a very ludicrous claim by yet another wannabe/crackpot on the Net.

More importantly, contrary to what you can read in most popular-scientific
texts, spacetime is NOT a "fabric".  It is a manifold (a special
*mathematical* space), a part of a mathematical model and framework, with
which we assign coordinates to events in order to describe and predict how
Nature behaves:

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/08/11/ask-ethan-is-spacetime-really-a-fabric/>

> And what's your evidence that this discontinuity exists (or ever 
> existed). The Old Testament is just a repeatedly copied ancient text.
> The copying process isn't error free.

In addition to being propagated first by word-of-mouth (oral tradition) and
only much later told to scribes, and then copied by scribes from papyrus to
parchment and vellum to paper, and translated from Hebrew to Aramaic to
Koine Greek to Old English etc. (as of today, for example the Bible Gateway
Web site contains 64 English-speaking versions already [1]), the Bible was
also heavily and wilfully redacted several times.[2][3]

This does not have much to do with any of the sciences for which the groups
have been set up that this had been crossposted to.  But it is important to
know especially for (religious) people who think that the Bible (or any
other religious text) would be a science textbook or a history book (an idea
that is even rejected by *biblical* scholars).

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible#Historical_authorship>

___
[1] <https://www.biblegateway.com/>
[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha>
[3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas>
-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#895077

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> Bill Sloman wrote:
> > On 6/02/2026 11:24 am, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> >> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> >>> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
> >>>                 ^^^^^^^^
> >>> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
> >>> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.
> >>
> >> You need to stop being such a fuss budget.
> >>
> >> I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and you'll like it.
> > 
> > You can post what you like. This is an unmoderated group.
> > We don't have to like it, and we can and will ignore you if you don't 
> > have anything useful to say.
> 
> Full ACK.
> 
> >>>> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> >>>>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
> >>>>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
> >>>>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
> >>>>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
> >>>>
> >>>> It can at least makes time stand still.
> >>>
> >>> No, it cannot.
> >>
> >> Already proven. >
> >> The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
> >> fabric.  Its all over your head.
> 
> JFTR: I have studied Physics, including special and general relativity.
> So this is a very ludicrous claim by yet another wannabe/crackpot on the Net.

Wait, Tom, JFTR.  Didn't you say your plonking me?  Plonk means you
don't read my posts or reply to them anymore.  It doesn't mean you keep
up the conversation through 3rd hand replies.

Yeah, we know, you just had to play your "Im smarter than you" card.
Reading wikipedia doesn't mean you "studied Physics".  If thats so then
I studied just as much with a GED as you.  You really need to study how
to stop being a horse's ass.  And read usenet long enough to read some
real netiqette, cuz everything you think you know about that is wrong.



> More importantly, contrary to what you can read in most popular-scientific
> texts, spacetime is NOT a "fabric".  It is a manifold (a special

It's fabric like cotton and spandex.  Shut up or call the spacetime
police.


> > And what's your evidence that this discontinuity exists (or ever 
> > existed). The Old Testament is just a repeatedly copied ancient text.
> > The copying process isn't error free.
> 
> In addition to being propagated first by word-of-mouth (oral tradition) and

I was not the one who brought up the bible.  Your opinion about it is
not important.  Go argue about it with Bill in the religion groups. Tell
them all about how you cant see sunspots with your telescope. Better
yet, take a close look at them with your highly educated reflector.


> only much later told to scribes, and then copied by scribes from papyrus to
> parchment and vellum to paper, and translated from Hebrew to Aramaic to
> Koine Greek to Old English etc.

You obviously never read a Old English Bible.


> This does not have much to do with any of the sciences for which the groups
> have been set up that this had been crossposted to.

Then you better plonk me again, good buddy.  It might take 6 or 8 times.

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#895078

Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> posted:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> > Bill Sloman wrote:
> > > On 6/02/2026 11:24 am, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> > >> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> > >>> Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:
> > >>>                 ^^^^^^^^
> > >>> Again, you need to specify an actual e-mail address there.
> > >>> And stop this mindless crossposting without Followup-To, *please*.
> > >>
> > >> You need to stop being such a fuss budget.
> > >>
> > >> I'll post what I want, where I want, the way I want, and you'll like it.
> > > 
> > > You can post what you like. This is an unmoderated group.
> > > We don't have to like it, and we can and will ignore you if you don't 
> > > have anything useful to say.
> > 
> > Full ACK.
> > 
> > >>>> ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
> > >>>>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun
> > >>>>>> and galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal. We'll start
> > >>>>> orbiting the sun in the opposite direction. Or maybe it will just make
> > >>>>> time go backwards.  Who knows?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It can at least makes time stand still.
> > >>>
> > >>> No, it cannot.
> > >>
> > >> Already proven. >
> > >> The missing 2 hours caused a singular discontinuity in the spacetime
> > >> fabric.  Its all over your head.
> > 
> > JFTR: I have studied Physics, including special and general relativity.
> > So this is a very ludicrous claim by yet another wannabe/crackpot on the Net.
> 
> Wait, Tom, JFTR.  Didn't you say your plonking me?  Plonk means you
> don't read my posts or reply to them anymore.  It doesn't mean you keep
> up the conversation through 3rd hand replies.
> 
> Yeah, we know, you just had to play your "Im smarter than you" card.
> Reading wikipedia doesn't mean you "studied Physics".

Also, boasting about "BSc Student at University of Bern" on his ResearchGate
page doesn't make him a ohysicist qualified to pronounce on all the stuff 
he pretends to be an expert on.  

> If thats so then
> I studied just as much with a GED as you.  You really need to study how
> to stop being a horse's ass.  And read usenet long enough to read some
> real netiqette, cuz everything you think you know about that is wrong.
> 
>

-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly in England before that

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#895065

On Mon, 02 Feb 2026 20:42:34 -0800, Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> wrote:

>ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>> > Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> >>> I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
>> >>> that I recoded last week from  zdfinfo.de
>> >>>    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
>> >>> It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.
>> >>>
>> >>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>> >>> that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
>> >>> could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
>> >>> Electromagnets should work too of course.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any aliens here that have used it?
>> >>
>> >> Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or
>> >> aircraft around.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun and
>> > galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
>> 
>> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal.
>> We'll start orbiting the sun in the opposite direction.
>> Or maybe it will just make time go backwards.  Who knows?
>> Ed
>
>It can at least makes time stand still.  

That sounds awfully boring.


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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#895052

ehsjr wrote in sci.electronics.design, sci.astro, sci.physics:
> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>> On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
>>>> that I recoded last week from  zdfinfo.de
>>>>    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
>>>> It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.
>>>>
>>>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>>>> that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
>>>> could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
>>>> Electromagnets should work too of course.
>>>>
>>>> Any aliens here that have used it?
>>>
>>> Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or
>>> aircraft around.
>>
>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun and
>> galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.

Utter nonsense.

> That's why they're worried about magnetic pole reversal.

[I hope this is just sarcasm, not due to ignorance of basic physics.]

No.  There are other reasons to worry about magnetic pole reversal, for
example increased exposure to the solar wind during the time that it happens.

> We'll start orbiting the sun in the opposite direction.

No.  Geomagnetic reversals have happened several times already, and there is
no reason for and no evidence of an associated reversal of orbital velocity.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal>

> Or maybe it will just make time go backwards.  Who knows?

Neither of these assumed effects is going to happen.

If you have gotten the idea from one of the first (the first?) Superman
movie that time would depend on the direction in which Earth is rotating:
That's just fantasy.

Superman might be able to reverse time, but reversing the direction of
rotation is then a consequence of that, and not the cause.  Otherwise this
scene is (yet another piece of) evidence of the author's ignorance of basic
physics.

[You can see that Superman is fantasy, and not science-fiction, if you
consider that Lois Lane is not cut in three pieces when he catches her
without adapting to her falling speed first, a scene that was hilariously
discussed by the friends at the beginning of an episode of "The Big Bang
Theory" :-D]

F'up2 sci.physics

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#895054

On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 16:36:16 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

>ehsjr wrote in sci.electronics.design, sci.astro, sci.physics:
>> On 2/2/2026 11:50 AM, Jeremiah Jones wrote:
>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>> On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
>>>>> that I recoded last week from  zdfinfo.de
>>>>>    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
>>>>> It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
>>>>> that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
>>>>> could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
>>>>> Electromagnets should work too of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any aliens here that have used it?
>>>>
>>>> Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or
>>>> aircraft around.
>>>
>>> Earth *is* a magnet.  It is pushed by the magnetic fields of the sun and
>>> galaxies.  That's what makes the earth go round the sun.
>
>Utter nonsense.

A little nonsense now and then
Is cherished by the wisest men.

- Willy Wonka


John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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