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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400 |
| Last post | 2016-04-12 18:24 +0000 |
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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-04 12:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 21:25 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:22 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:09 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:42 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-07 15:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 14:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:19 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 18:17 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 00:37 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-10 16:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-11 16:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-12 15:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-05 17:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 15:09 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:57 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:43 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 20:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 23:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 19:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 03:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 22:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 06:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:32 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:45 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 16:12 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 01:10 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 06:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:43 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 22:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 17:11 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 04:30 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 23:31 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 01:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:18 -0700
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 18:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4fvntc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569221 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>> > >>>> >>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>> >> >>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >> > > Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass > holes" build the future for you. And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep my airplane, space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 13:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <74oigb5s7enl92treg0mevkhlotm56ql2t@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569259 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>
>>
>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>> holes" build the future for you.
>
>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>my airplane, space cadet.
>
Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 20:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7u6otc-q7g.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569272 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>>>> >>>> >>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >>>> >>> >>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass >>> holes" build the future for you. >> >>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep >>my airplane, space cadet. >> > > Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against > airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on. Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes. BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was a ROI to be had in building them. There is no ROI for a Martian colony. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 20:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <oggjgb1viun8llji26tdar4h9n2h7822qu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569296 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>
>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>
>
>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>
Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>
>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>a ROI to be had in building them.
>
But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
Just like you do with colonization now.
>
>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>
Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ngcqtc-6hn.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569350 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass >>>>> holes" build the future for you. >>>> >>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep >>>>my airplane, space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against >>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on. >>> >> >>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes. >> > > Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious. > >> >>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was >>a ROI to be had in building them. >> > > But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it. > Just like you do with colonization now. > >> >>There is no ROI for a Martian colony. >> > > Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it? If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 16:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lfnlgbh9k8a0o5j335jhivnpe5a58ku64c@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569467 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>>>
>>
>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>>
>>>
>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>>>a ROI to be had in building them.
>>>
>>
>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
>> Just like you do with colonization now.
>>
>>>
>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>>>
>>
>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
>
>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but
>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults.
>
I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject
everything doesn't make it stop existing.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 01:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k8artc-9iq.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569559 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass >>>>>>> holes" build the future for you. >>>>>> >>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep >>>>>>my airplane, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against >>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes. >>>> >>> >>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious. >>> >>>> >>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was >>>>a ROI to be had in building them. >>>> >>> >>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it. >>> Just like you do with colonization now. >>> >>>> >>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony. >>>> >>> >>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it? >> >>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but >>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults. >> > > I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject > everything doesn't make it stop existing. The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to Mars. You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth at a profit, space cadet arm waver. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-10 20:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <m36mgblau357a1gkllu5tjqddtdrndc8ku@4ax.com> |
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>>>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>>>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>>>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>>>>>a ROI to be had in building them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
>>>> Just like you do with colonization now.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
>>>
>>>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but
>>>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults.
>>>
>>
>> I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject
>> everything doesn't make it stop existing.
>>
>
>The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to
>Mars.
>
Liar.
>
>You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth
>at a profit, space cadet arm waver.
>
Microsoft makes most of its money from not shipping goods at all,
chimpshit willie-waver.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 06:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9urrtc-q9s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569606 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony' >>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass >>>>>>>>> holes" build the future for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep >>>>>>>>my airplane, space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against >>>>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was >>>>>>a ROI to be had in building them. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it. >>>>> Just like you do with colonization now. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it? >>>> >>>>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but >>>>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults. >>>> >>> >>> I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject >>> everything doesn't make it stop existing. >>> >> >>The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to >>Mars. >> > > Liar. Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit. >>You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth >>at a profit, space cadet arm waver. >> > > Microsoft makes most of its money from not shipping goods at all, > chimpshit willie-waver. Wrong again, space cadet, everything Microsoft sells is taxable goods and is shipped in some form. So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 07:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <sjdngb5me0cdjdh3g3poi3u3e4155e0tmc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569678 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What you need to drop in is most of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. By your 'definitions' there has never been a 'colony'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on Earth at any time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong again, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, me and Elon Musk. So how are you doing, Chimp?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm doing just fine, starry eyed ass hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just toddle on back to your cave, Chimp, while us "starry-eyed ass
>>>>>>>>>> holes" build the future for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And again, the closest thing I have to a cave is the hangar where I keep
>>>>>>>>>my airplane, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, if it was a century ago you would be railing against
>>>>>>>> airplanes and explaining how they would never catch on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Once again, if it was a century ago I would be building airplanes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, no you wouldn't. Your illogic here makes that obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW, aviation took off (pun intended) when people realized there was
>>>>>>>a ROI to be had in building them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you wouldn't have realized it and would have argued against it.
>>>>>> Just like you do with colonization now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is no ROI for a Martian colony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really? Never? Or are you just too intellectually myopic to see it?
>>>>>
>>>>>If there were a ROI to be had you would have stated it long ago, but
>>>>>instead you just keep on arm waving and throwing out insults.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've already stated several possible models. The fact that you reject
>>>> everything doesn't make it stop existing.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The only model you have presented is that of charging people to go to
>>>Mars.
>>>
>>
>> Liar.
>
>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and
>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit.
>
Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're
still a liar.
>>>You have NEVER said anything about any good shipped back to Earth
>>>at a profit, space cadet arm waver.
>>>
>>
>> Microsoft makes most of its money from not shipping goods at all,
>> chimpshit willie-waver.
>
>Wrong again, space cadet, everything Microsoft sells is taxable goods
>and is shipped in some form.
>
Nope. It's not 'goods'. It's 'IP' and need have no physical form at
all. I'm not surprised that you don't know the difference.
>
>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet?
>
Asked and answered, chimpshit.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 18:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <u07ttc-ji3.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569702 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: <snip> >>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and >>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit. >> > > Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're > still a liar. Then what else was there? <snip> >>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet? >> > > Asked and answered, chimpshit. Nope avoided with arm waving about Microsoft, space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-11 19:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <j4nogbdq19fc015vj4vkeuj74v6ctvn2ps@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569768 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and
>>>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit.
>>>
>>
>> Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're
>> still a liar.
>
>Then what else was there?
>
><snip>
>
>>>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet?
>>>
>>
>> Asked and answered, chimpshit.
>
>Nope avoided with arm waving about Microsoft, space cadet.
>
Yeah, your attention span really is that short...
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 17:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <innvtc-24f.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569851 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >><snip> >> >>>>Nope you said Musk planned to make money from the transport and >>>>setup. Noting about anything else to turn a profit. >>>> >>> >>> Sadly, I believe your attention span really is that short. But you're >>> still a liar. >> >>Then what else was there? >> >><snip> >> >>>>So what will Mars be selling to pay for supplies, space cadet? >>>> >>> >>> Asked and answered, chimpshit. >> >>Nope avoided with arm waving about Microsoft, space cadet. >> > > Yeah, your attention span really is that short... It is difficult to pay attention to nothing. So rub my nose in it and restate the export, space cadet. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 20:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ne94bn$ebi$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de> |
| In reply to | #569041 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> schrieb: > And the same plants that make stainless steel 8-32 screws is not going to > be making phosphor bronze relay contacts. 3D printing can actually offset a lot of that, to manufacture the actual parts. It'll actually be more versatile on Mars (because you have less gravity to drag down the metal drops). Any Mars colony will have to import specialities from Earth for a loooooooong time before becoming more or less self-sufficient. I actually liked the "Firefly" scenario. Terraforming and then turning settlers loose with a minimum of technology sounds doable, provided you can do the terrarforming part easily :-)
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 23:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <73qltc-fb8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569075 |
In sci.physics Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> schrieb: > >> And the same plants that make stainless steel 8-32 screws is not going to >> be making phosphor bronze relay contacts. > > 3D printing can actually offset a lot of that, to manufacture the actual > parts. 3D printing makes parts from raw stock. You still have to get the raw stock and there are few things that could be 3D printed. Look around your house, starting with the cloths you are wearing, and ask yourself how much of this stuff could be 3D printed. > It'll actually be more versatile on Mars (because you have less > gravity to drag down the metal drops). > Any Mars colony will have to import specialities from Earth for > a loooooooong time before becoming more or less self-sufficient. Like until we can figure out how to terraform Mars. > I actually liked the "Firefly" scenario. Terraforming and then > turning settlers loose with a minimum of technology sounds > doable, provided you can do the terrarforming part easily :-) And proven to work as shown by the settling of the American Continents. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 04:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b002da1f-6938-456b-8e6f-8c9706ed7b54@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #569075 |
Thomas Koenig ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com <ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com> schrieb: > And the same plants that make stainless steel 8-32 screws is not going to > be making phosphor bronze relay contacts. 3D printing can actually offset a lot of that, to manufacture the actual parts. -------------- As long as you have a good supply of transformium It'll actually be more versatile on Mars (because you have less gravity to drag down the metal drops). Any Mars colony will have to import specialities from Earth for a loooooooong time before becoming more or less self-sufficient. I actually liked the "Firefly" scenario. Terraforming and then turning settlers loose with a minimum of technology sounds doable, provided you can do the terrarforming part easily :-) ----------------- I agree. We should nuke Mars
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 16:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ne61cq$gd2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #568347 |
For your reference, records indicate that jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to > a discussion of colonies. And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It’s always fun to see people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) > So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *don’t yet* know about. The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. > There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that? > I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement > highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't > you? You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on limestone, don’t you? [blathering about industrial mining snipped] > something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings > required to survive and do anything. If that’s how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly haven’t thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men. > You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of > them come from petroleum, so no plastics. You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on plastics, don’t you? > You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. I don’t miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not* require magical technology if you don’t make the assumption that you’re going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 20:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bdritc-31s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568594 |
In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >> a discussion of colonies. > > And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It’s always fun to see > people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) > >> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? > > All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about. > The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- > centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. I use economic thinking. It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs far more to extract than the gold is worth. >> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. > > You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that? When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and air anywhere else than Earth? > >> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement >> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't >> you? > > You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on > limestone, dont you? Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before that it was wood. > [blathering about industrial mining snipped] > >> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings >> required to survive and do anything. > > If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly > havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men. So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7? >> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of >> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. > > You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on > plastics, dont you? Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off the Earth. > >> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. > > I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned > the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not* > require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you’re > going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape. > I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids. A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just constant resupply. It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently move to one. It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 14:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3jjdgb5vd9t9biee6hppr6r5knli3ia074@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #568667 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>> For your reference, records indicate that
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to
>>> a discussion of colonies.
>>
>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It’s always fun to see
>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-)
>>
>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars?
>>
>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about.
>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth-
>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available.
>
>I use economic thinking.
>
No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They
should take it back.
>
>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs
>far more to extract than the gold is worth.
>
Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets
you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'?
You don't know the meaning of the phrase!
>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air.
>>
>> You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that?
>
>When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and
>air anywhere else than Earth?
>
They've announced there's free flowing water on Mars, water vapour in
the atmosphere, underground ices. You insist there aren't.
>>
>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement
>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't
>>> you?
>>
>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
>> limestone, dont you?
>
>Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before
>that it was wood.
>
Haven't heard of 'rocks', 'caves', and 'holes' in your neck of the
woods?
>> [blathering about industrial mining snipped]
>>
>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings
>>> required to survive and do anything.
>>
>> If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly
>> havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men.
>
>So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized
>building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7?
>
So you think you can't survive on the Moon with Pittsburgh?
>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of
>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics.
>>
>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on
>> plastics, dont you?
>
>Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off
>the Earth.
>
Gee, something hasn't been done yet, so it is forever impossible. Back
to your cave, Chimp.
>>
>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable.
>>
>> I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned
>> the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not*
>> require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you’re
>> going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape.
>>
>
>I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids.
>
>A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just
>constant resupply.
>
Wrong. You see, this is the kind of error you make when you misapply
'economic thinking' from ignorance. First example, it's cheaper to
ship an automated rocket fuel factory to Mars to make fuel for the
return trip than it is to ship the fuel.
You really ought to read some of those papers I keep pointing you to.
It would keep you from sounding so stupidly ignorant.
>
>It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much
>for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently
>move to one.
>
>It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value
>and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending
>swarms of robots throughout the solar system.
>
If people aren't going, there's no point to "swarms of robots" so the
cost there is zero.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-07 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4e4jtc-41t.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>> For your reference, records indicate that >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>> As Antarctica has never had any colonies, Antarctica is irrelevant to >>>> a discussion of colonies. >>> >>> And yet *you* were the one who brought it up. It?s always fun to see >>> people attacking their own straw man arguments! :-) >>> >>>> So just what are the natural resources available on Mars? >>> >>> All the ones we know about, and all the ones we *dont yet* know about. >>> The main problem with your thinking is that you seem to use Earth- >>> centric thinking when evaluating the resources that are available. >> >>I use economic thinking. >> > > No, you don't. Where did you get your degree in economics. They > should take it back. > >> >>It is well known that there is lots of gold in sea water but it costs >>far more to extract than the gold is worth. >> > > Wrong. It's just that the same amount of money applied elsewhere gets > you more gold. And you claim to be engaging in 'economic thinking'? > You don't know the meaning of the phrase! Nope, the extraction cost exceeds the value. >>>> There are no forests, no lakes, no rivers, no life and no air. >>> >>> You seem to have more knowledge than NASA on those things. How is that? >> >>When did NASA announce there are forests, lakes, rivers, life, and >>air anywhere else than Earth? >> > > They've announced there's free flowing water on Mars, water vapour in > the atmosphere, underground ices. You insist there aren't. That is not the same thing as forests, lakes and rivers, i.e. things you can stick a bucket in and fill it with drinkable water. >>>> I would say the odds of finding limestone deposits to make cement >>>> highly unlikely. You do know limestone is organically created, don't >>>> you? >>> >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on >>> limestone, dont you? >> >>Yep, but modern civilizations are built with concrete and steel; before >>that it was wood. >> > > Haven't heard of 'rocks', 'caves', and 'holes' in your neck of the > woods? Sure but on Earth they don't need airlocks. >>> [blathering about industrial mining snipped] >>> >>>> something usefull to build the domed and pressurized buildings >>>> required to survive and do anything. >>> >>> If thats how you think about what is *required* to survive, you clearly >>> havent thought much about the problem. These are *your* straw men. >> >>So you think you can survive on the Moon or Mars without a presurized >>building? Are you going to live in a pressure suit 24/7? >> > > So you think you can't survive on the Moon with Pittsburgh? There go those voices in your head again. You really should see someone about that. >>>> You will be lacking just about all usefull chemicals as most of >>>> them come from petroleum, so no plastics. >>> >>> You do know that civilizations have been built without relying on >>> plastics, dont you? >> >>Not modern ones with the advanced technology required to survive off >>the Earth. >> > > Gee, something hasn't been done yet, so it is forever impossible. Back > to your cave, Chimp. There go those voices in your head again. You really should see someone about that. >>> >>>> You miss the point, it would take Star Trek technology to make it affordable. >>> >>> I dont miss that point at all. I *made* that point when I questioned >>> the proposed budget. But I am also making the point that it does *not* >>> require magical technology if you dont make the assumption that you?re >>> going to live an Earth-styled life on such an inhospitable landscape. >>> >> >>I have been talking about colonies, i.e. families and kids. >> >>A research station requires very little in terms of infrastructure, just >>constant resupply. >> > > Wrong. You see, this is the kind of error you make when you misapply > 'economic thinking' from ignorance. First example, it's cheaper to > ship an automated rocket fuel factory to Mars to make fuel for the > return trip than it is to ship the fuel. Which has nothing to do with supplying those kids with diapers and baby bottles. > You really ought to read some of those papers I keep pointing you to. > It would keep you from sounding so stupidly ignorant. > >> >>It is my opinion that an off Earth true colony would cost far too much >>for anyone to ever try it and few people would be willing to permanently >>move to one. >> >>It is my opinion that off Earth research stations are of limited value >>and the cost and rewards of doing them should be balanced against sending >>swarms of robots throughout the solar system. >> > > If people aren't going, there's no point to "swarms of robots" so the > cost there is zero. The point to swarms of robots is scientific research. Your point seems to be you want to cozy up to a three titted hooker in a Martian bar just like in the movies. -- Jim Pennino
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