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Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness

Started byJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
First post2016-02-21 11:25 -0800
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  Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 11:25 -0800
    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 13:41 -0600
    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-21 19:55 +0000
      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:04 -0800
        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-22 15:05 -0600
        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-22 21:45 +0000
          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:00 -0800
            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 16:18 -0600
              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:34 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 16:37 -0600
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-22 22:48 +0000
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:05 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:39 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 06:53 -0800
            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 16:25 -0600
            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-22 22:32 +0000
              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:57 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-22 23:19 +0000
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:41 -0800
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 16:39 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-23 09:31 -0600
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness dm <pippinese@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 08:14 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 10:30 -0800
                        moistly noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 11:30 -0800
                          Re: moistly James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 11:45 -0800
                            my assumptions are easy to explain noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 12:00 -0800
                            Re: moistly Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-23 14:01 -0600
          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:38 -0800
            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-22 22:54 +0000
              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:12 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-22 21:21 -0800
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 22:05 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-22 22:19 -0800
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 22:49 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 19:56 +0000
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 12:59 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-26 22:44 -0600
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 23:32 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-23 08:27 -0600
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-02-23 12:11 -0800
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 12:42 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-23 17:27 -0600
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 14:55 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-25 17:09 -0600
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 12:25 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 07:04 +0000
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-22 21:26 -0800
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 21:59 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-22 22:15 -0800
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 22:46 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 19:59 +0000
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-02-23 11:51 -0800
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 12:13 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 20:36 +0000
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 17:11 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-02-25 10:41 -0800
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 11:31 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-25 16:39 -0600
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 20:34 +0000
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-23 17:25 -0600
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 12:52 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-26 18:24 -0600
            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 19:54 +0000
              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 14:40 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 16:47 -0600
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-25 23:10 +0000
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 15:35 -0800
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-25 23:56 +0000
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-25 23:03 +0000
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 15:33 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 00:06 +0000
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 16:52 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 01:05 +0000
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 17:32 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 02:01 +0000
                              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 13:10 -0800
                                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-26 22:45 -0600
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 16:19 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 00:43 +0000
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-25 17:11 -0800
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 17:25 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-25 19:43 -0600
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 02:02 +0000
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:18 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-25 21:12 -0600
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 03:11 +0000
                              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 13:07 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-25 19:09 -0800
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 19:13 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-25 19:27 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-25 17:13 -0800
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 17:30 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-25 19:41 -0600
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 02:07 +0000
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-25 19:23 -0800
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 20:23 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-25 20:38 -0800
                              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 12:36 -0800
                                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-02-26 13:42 -0800
                                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 13:45 -0800
                                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-02-26 21:45 +0000
                                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 14:09 -0800
                                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 16:23 -0600
                                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-26 18:26 -0600
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 16:22 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 00:45 +0000
          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:48 -0800
            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-22 23:25 +0000
              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:45 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 00:18 +0000
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 16:35 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 00:50 +0000
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 17:22 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 02:14 +0000
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 18:45 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-22 21:03 -0600
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 03:33 +0000
                              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 20:21 -0800
                                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 07:14 +0000
                                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 10:24 -0800
                                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-23 13:11 -0600
                                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 20:10 +0000
                                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-02-23 11:56 -0800
            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-02-23 11:36 -0800
              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 11:46 -0800
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-23 20:38 +0000
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 12:56 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 22:58 +0000
                      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 15:28 -0800
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-26 23:36 +0000
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 15:52 -0800
                            Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-27 00:13 +0000
                              Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 18:32 -0800
                                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-27 03:50 +0000
                        Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 15:42 -0800
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-02-29 23:55 +0000
                          Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 18:01 -0600
                Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 15:28 -0600
                  Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 14:50 -0800
                    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 21:50 -0600
    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 12:10 -0800
      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 12:38 -0800
        haha, none noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 14:10 -0800
    Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 11:53 -0800
      Re: Moist air convection, an example of human intellectual sheepishness Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 15:42 -0600

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#555939

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-02-23 13:11 -0600
Message-ID<naiatp$t3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#555918
On 2/23/2016 12:24 PM, James McGinn wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:05:07 AM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> The same experiment done by thousands of people with the exact same
>> results is not an anecdote, it is evidence.
>
> So, let me get this straight, all thousands of them never wrote a paper on this?

you can't get it stright,
you are delusional
and thousands have written papers on "moist air" "humidity", "Water 
vapor", you intentionally will not look for them, as it is not part of 
your delusion.



>
>> All the data and all the experiments are in an untold number of books
>
> And you can't find one?
>

no, *you* can't find one.

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#555973

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-02-23 20:10 +0000
Message-ID<2uqupc-v6c.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#555918
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:05:07 AM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> The same experiment done by thousands of people with the exact same
>> results is not an anecdote, it is evidence.
> 
> So, let me get this straight, all thousands of them never wrote a paper on this?


There are thousands of papers and thousands of books, but you refuse to
read any of them.

>> All the data and all the experiments are in an untold number of books
> 
> And you can't find one?

I have already given you one experiment you can do yourself but you refuse
to even concider it, i.e. Schlieren imaging.

Here is another experiment you can do yourself:

Take a fixed volume of air (that means you put ambient air into a container
and close it) and monitor the pressure (that means put a pressure guage
on the container) while you slowly increase the temperature (that means
make the container hotter very slowly so the air inside has time to heat
up).

If the H2O in the air in the container is gaseous, the pressure will
smoothly increase as the temperature in increased.

If the H2O in the air in the container is liquid, the pressure will
smoothly increase as the temperature in increased until the temperature
reaches the boiling point, at which point there will be a discontinuance
(that means sharp and sudden) increase in pressure, after which the pressure
will continue to increase smoothly.

Guess which happens.

Is this an ananecdote?

No, it is an experiment.

Is this reproducible?

Yes, you will get the same result no matter how many times you do it
or who does it.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#555960

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2016-02-23 11:56 -0800
Message-ID<b331cb6a-5be4-417b-bea5-c9db2246016b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#555746
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 11:22:00 PM UTC-5, James McGinn wrote:
[]  
> 
> For a real physicist it doesn't matter what "everybody" says.
>  It matters what the evidence says.  Anecdote doesn't count.

Hmm. Got a promotion?
 Which college offers degrees in Real Physics?

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#555948

Fromedprochak@gmail.com
Date2016-02-23 11:36 -0800
Message-ID<6a1e366e-1603-4a24-90e1-8b7afd9b091b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#555662
On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 5:48:57 PM UTC-5, James McGinn wrote:
> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >> 
> > >>  
> > >> > The data that, supposedly, substantiates it doesn't involve direct
> > >> > measurement but derivations base on indirect data.
> > >> 
> > >> Convection, evaporation, and sublimation can all be directly observed
> > >> with Schlieren imaging.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, so?  I never claimed otherwise.  Are you really this dumb?  
> > 
> > So it shows that gaseous H2O exists at temperatures below the boiling
> > point
> 
> True but irrelevant.  We're discussing H2O in the atmosphere at ambient temperatures/pressures.  Right?
> 
> > and the relative densities of gaseous H2O and air at different
> > temperatures, which are different than your claims.
> 
> Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
> 
> If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
> that indicates?

Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? Followed by your own retort:
>  (Answer this question you fucking evasive jackass.) 

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#555955

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-23 11:46 -0800
Message-ID<3feda807-e041-4a5f-bf95-32e530750dba@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#555948
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
> > 
> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
> > that indicates?
> 
> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 

Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  

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#555994

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-02-23 20:38 +0000
Message-ID<visupc-v6c.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#555955
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
>> > 
>> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
>> > that indicates?
>> 
>> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
> 
> Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?

No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#557002

FromSolving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-26 12:56 -0800
Message-ID<beb722ff-9fb5-428f-a53a-9708cc64f65e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#555994
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
> >> > 
> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
> >> > that indicates?
> >> 
> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
> > 
> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
> 
> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.

In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.

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#557054

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-02-26 22:58 +0000
Message-ID<6u17qc-sha.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#557002
Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > 
>> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
>> >> > that indicates?
>> >> 
>> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
>> > 
>> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
>> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
>> 
>> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
> 
> In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.

Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived says you are the one
making extraordinary claims, where is your experiment?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#557075

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-26 15:28 -0800
Message-ID<9f246d4d-a9ae-4e0f-9630-0aa0c0309d0d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#557054
On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
> >> >> > that indicates?
> >> >> 
> >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
> >> > 
> >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
> >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
> >> 
> >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
> > 
> > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
> 
> Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived

Consensus is for fools.

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#557081

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-02-26 23:36 +0000
Message-ID<6447qc-3sa.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#557075
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
>> >> >> > that indicates?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
>> >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
>> >> 
>> >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
>> > 
>> > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
>> 
>> Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived
> 
> Consensus is for fools.

So says the only person on the planet that doesn't believe hundreds of
years of scientific inquiry.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#557085

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-26 15:52 -0800
Message-ID<1d3ca296-6b1f-4d44-ba00-5fbd37efa0aa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#557081
On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
> >> >> >> > that indicates?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
> >> >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
> >> >> 
> >> >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
> >> > 
> >> > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
> >> 
> >> Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived
> > 
> > Consensus is for fools.
> 
> So says the only person on the planet that doesn't believe hundreds of
> years of scientific inquiry.

So says a fool who presents consensus arguments in a scientific forum.

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#557090

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-02-27 00:13 +0000
Message-ID<l967qc-94b.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#557085
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
>> >> >> >> > that indicates?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
>> >> >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
>> >> > 
>> >> > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
>> >> 
>> >> Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived
>> > 
>> > Consensus is for fools.
>> 
>> So says the only person on the planet that doesn't believe hundreds of
>> years of scientific inquiry.
> 
> So says a fool who presents consensus arguments in a scientific forum.

So says a fool that does not understand the difference between "consensus"
and "repeatiblity".


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#557113

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-26 18:32 -0800
Message-ID<ea6f40d3-c92a-4316-874b-a9e8e811d2a6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#557090
On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 4:16:06 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >> Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
> >> >> >> >> > that indicates?
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
> >> >> >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived
> >> > 
> >> > Consensus is for fools.
> >> 
> >> So says the only person on the planet that doesn't believe hundreds of
> >> years of scientific inquiry.
> > 
> > So says a fool who presents consensus arguments in a scientific forum.
> 
> So says a fool that does not understand the difference between "consensus"
> and "repeatiblity".
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Pennino

Idiocracy - Electrolytes - YouTube 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boy_tLWeqA 

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#557122

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-02-27 03:50 +0000
Message-ID<q0j7qc-sac.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#557113
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 4:16:06 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:46:04 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> >> Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
>> >> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
>> >> >> >> >> > that indicates?
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
>> >> >> >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived
>> >> > 
>> >> > Consensus is for fools.
>> >> 
>> >> So says the only person on the planet that doesn't believe hundreds of
>> >> years of scientific inquiry.
>> > 
>> > So says a fool who presents consensus arguments in a scientific forum.
>> 
>> So says a fool that does not understand the difference between "consensus"
>> and "repeatiblity".
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jim Pennino
> 
> Idiocracy - Electrolytes - YouTube 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boy_tLWeqA 

That movie, much like you, was a box office loser.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#558099

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-29 15:42 -0800
Message-ID<5068c057-925e-4d65-95ec-a48867f37f2e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#557075
On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
> > >> >> > that indicates?
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
> > >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
> > >> 
> > >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
> > > 
> > > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
> > 
> > Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived
> 
> 
Consensus is for fools.

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#558115

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-02-29 23:55 +0000
Message-ID<vc2fqc-cl7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#558099
James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
>> On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> > Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 12:46:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> > >> James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> > On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 11:37:00 AM UTC-8, edpr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >> > 
>> > >> >> > Are you saying moisture in the atmosphere must be gaseous? 
>> > >> >> > 
>> > >> >> > If you can't/won't answer these questions what do you think
>> > >> >> > that indicates?
>> > >> >> 
>> > >> >> Back to you: Are you saying saying moisture in the atmosphere MUST be liquid? 
>> > >> > 
>> > >> > Yes.  Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O.  
>> > >> Where is your reproducible experiment that shows this?
>> > >> 
>> > >> No, not arm waving or babbling about steam tables, a reproducible experiment.
>> > > 
>> > > In science the onus is on those making extraordinary claims.
>> > 
>> > Seeing as how every scientist that has ever lived
>> 
>> 
> Consensus is for fools.

And once again you show you are bat shit crazy by denigrating repeatable
and reproducible experimental evidence while haveing no eperimental
evidence of your own at all.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#558118

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-29 18:01 -0600
Message-ID<4uGdnc13xaFvRknLnZ2dnUU7-IOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#558099
On 2/29/16 5:42 PM, James McGinn wrote:
> Consensus is for fools.


   Why? When the observational and experimental data agree with nature,
   there is nothing wrong with consensus agreeing with the data.


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#556009

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-23 15:28 -0600
Message-ID<Qsedndfmz4eXUlHLnZ2dnUU7-X-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#555955
On 2/23/16 1:46 PM, James McGinn wrote:
> Gaseous H2O is impossible below the boiling temperature/pressure of H2O




   This is the crux of your misunderstanding, James. As I already
   pointed out spectra shows water as a gas on the atmosphere of
   the earth, sun and deep space. Do you not trust spectra?

   Bright LIne Emission Spectrum of Water Vapor (gas)
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6WOhYedsAg



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#556031

FromSolving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-23 14:50 -0800
Message-ID<89cb667a-1191-4f4b-8775-6e4904e912f7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#556009
On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:

>    This is the crux of your misunderstanding, James. As I already
>    pointed out spectra shows water as a gas on the atmosphere of
>    the earth, sun and deep space. Do you not trust spectra?

It's the underlying assumptions that are the problem.  

Most people are incapable of distinguishing between empirical evidence and anecdote, especially when the assumptions a layers deep.

Obviously, Sam, you have no idea what I mean by this.  

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#556108

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-23 21:50 -0600
Message-ID<IfmdnRNkQtsPtVDLnZ2dnUU7-VGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#556031
On 2/23/16 4:50 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
>
>>     This is the crux of your misunderstanding, James. As I already
>>     pointed out spectra shows water as a gas on the atmosphere of
>>     the earth, sun and deep space. Do you not trust spectra?
>
> It's the underlying assumptions that are the problem.
>
> Most people are incapable of distinguishing between empirical evidence and anecdote, especially when the assumptions a layers deep.
>
> Obviously, Sam, you have no idea what I mean by this.
>

   I'm clueless as to how you think, James.

   The physics, on the other hand is clear. Water evaporates into gas in
   the earth's atmosphere.

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