Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > sci.physics > #617006 > unrolled thread

Van Allen radiation belt

Back to article view | Back to sci.physics

Contents

  Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 15:54 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 15:58 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-05 00:19 +0000
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 01:22 -0800
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-08 18:51 +0000
          Re: Van Allen radiation belt Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-08 17:10 -0600
            Re: Van Allen radiation belt pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 16:53 -0800
              Re: Van Allen radiation belt Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-08 19:01 -0600
                Re: Van Allen radiation belt pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 17:20 -0800
                  Re: Van Allen radiation belt Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-09 12:04 -0600
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 16:05 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-08 08:13 -0600
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 09:45 -0800
          Re: Van Allen radiation belt Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-08 17:12 -0600
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 16:10 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-05 00:25 +0000
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 20:52 -0500
          Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-05 03:15 +0000
            Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 16:50 -0500
              Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-06 23:51 +0000
                Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 19:48 -0500
                  Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-07 01:41 +0000
                    Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:30 -0500
                      Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-07 21:48 +0000
                        Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 20:52 -0500
                          Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-08 03:51 +0000
                            Re: Van Allen radiation belt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 21:33 -0800
                            Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-08 16:58 -0500
                              Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-08 22:08 +0000
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-08 19:02 -0600
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 01:24 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-05 00:22 +0000
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 20:50 -0500
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-05 03:17 +0000
          Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 16:50 -0500
            Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-06 23:52 +0000
              Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-06 19:48 -0500
                Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-07 01:42 +0000
                  Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-07 16:30 -0500
                    Re: Van Allen radiation belt Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-09 11:59 -0600
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-04 20:22 -0500
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-02-04 18:28 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 12:37 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-05 20:49 +0000
      or, PI < 10/31 in some base_n > 3 noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-05 14:36 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 14:07 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 14:33 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:04 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:05 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:51 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:52 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:54 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:55 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:56 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:47 -0800
        waves are wavey noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 16:02 -0800
          Re: waves are wavey noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 19:05 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-05 15:57 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 14:02 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 01:20 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 01:21 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 12:14 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 12:28 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-02-08 13:41 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-09 11:19 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:45 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:47 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 10:52 -0800
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-02-11 12:56 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-11 11:36 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 13:10 -0800
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-02-11 16:32 -0800
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-02-12 13:43 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 08:58 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 13:46 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-13 13:13 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-02-13 13:59 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-02-13 14:34 -0800
        Re: Van Allen radiation belt "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-02-13 15:55 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 09:57 -0800
      Re: Van Allen radiation belt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 10:06 -0800
    Re: Van Allen radiation belt numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 10:41 -0800

Page 3 of 5 — ← Prev page 1 2 [3] 4 5  Next page →

#617035

On 2/4/2017 6:54 PM, numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it causing gravity?
>
No, but it is keeping living human beings from going to the moon.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617051

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 5:23:26 PM UTC-8, benj wrote:
> On 2/4/2017 6:54 PM, numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:
> > Is it causing gravity?
> >
> No, but it is keeping living human beings from going to the moon.

You should learn some science before making such statements.

From this page...

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

"Bad: A big staple of the HBs is the claim that radiation in the van Allen Belts and in deep space would have killed the astronauts in minutes. They interview a Russian cosmonaut involved in the USSR Moon program, who says that they were worried about going in to the unknowns of space, and suspected that radiation would have penetrated the hull of the spacecraft."

"Good: Kaysing's exact words in the program are: "Any human being traveling through the van Allen belt would have been rendered either extremely ill or actually killed by the radiation within a short time thereof."

"This is complete and utter nonsense. The van Allen belts are regions above the Earth's surface where the Earth's magnetic field has trapped particles of the solar wind. An unprotected man would indeed get a lethal dose of radiation, if he stayed there long enough. Actually, the spaceship traveled through the belts pretty quickly, getting past them in an hour or so. There simply wasn't enough time to get a lethal dose, and, as a matter of fact, the metal hull of the spaceship did indeed block most of the radiation. For a detailed explanation of all this, my fellow Mad Scientist William Wheaton has a page with the technical data about the doses received by the astronauts. Another excellent page about this, that also gives a history of NASA radiation testing, is from the Biomedical Results of Apollo site. An interesting read!"

"It was also disingenuous of the program to quote the Russian cosmonaut as well. Of course they were worried about radiation before men had gone into the van Allen belts! But tests done by NASA showed that it was possible to not only survive such a passage, but to not even get harmed much by it. It looks to me like another case of convenient editing by the producers of the program."

Then, there is this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories#Environment

... "Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too harmful for the Apollo missions..."

Of course, if you are confident of your claim you could always provide links of your own to support your position.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617119

How are the pictures getting back from all of the Mars probes and 
rovers? 

.....................................................

Their fake similar to the Apollo 11 mission.

_______________________________________________________________



The Sun is emitting light but is not emitting electrons because of it.
 


.......................................................



The emission of light is always accompanied by the emission of electrons. 




________________________________________________________________________



No one has addressed the problem of the density of the earth when the earth is said to be composed of mostly iron.  And also, what happen to all that thermodynamic energy emitted by the earth's fictitious liquid iron core.

The Van Allen radiation belt forms the northern lights. The electrons of the northern lights accumulate on the surface of the satellites which shorts the electrical components within the satellite.  To prevent this all one has to do in insulant the outer surface of the electrical components within the satellite.


Particle physics (1959) originates from the discovery of the Van Allen belt (1957). Did you know that particle physics was discovered by the Russians on my birthday.


Did you know that the earth is propagating around the sun at a velocity of 30,000 m/s or Mach 67 which is three time faster than the fast rocket produced by man.


The Apollo mission went to the moon but it did not land on the moon.  I think the limit of radio communication is the moon but maybe not. Those puny antenna of the Apollo mission are going to have a hard time transmitting to an from Mars. The smart think to do is create a cut off probe that would receive a signal and re-transmit the signal at a half way location.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617122

numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:

A steaming pile of nonsense.

*plonk*


-- 
Jim Pennino

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617141 — or, PI < 10/31 in some base_n > 3

there are waves of light through the electronic matter of free space,
which includes atmospheres at ground, if any ground;
you only need find the canonical format for cmc = E,
mod pi
 
> The emission of light is always accompanied by the emission of electrons. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> No one has addressed the problem of the density of the earth when the earth is said to be composed of mostly iron.  And also, what happen to all that thermodynamic energy emitted by the earth's fictitious liquid iron core.
> 
> The Van Allen radiation belt forms the northern lights. The electrons of the northern lights accumulate on the surface of the satellites which shorts the electrical components within the satellite.  To prevent this all one has to do in insulant the outer surface of the electrical components within the satellite.
> 
> 
> Particle physics (1959) originates from the discovery of the Van Allen belt (1957). Did you know that particle physics was discovered by the Russians on my birthday.
> 
> 
> Did you know that the earth is propagating around the sun at a velocity of 30,000 m/s or Mach 67 which is three time faster than the fast rocket produced by man.
> 
> 
> The Apollo mission went to the moon but it did not land on the moon.  I think the limit of radio communication is the moon but maybe not. Those puny antenna of the Apollo mission are going to have a hard time transmitting to an from Mars. The smart think to do is create a cut off probe that would receive a signal and re-transmit the signal at a half way location.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617133

Really, here's some more nice stuff. Maxwell's equations



∇ x E = - dB/dt..........∇ x B = 1/c (dE/dt)................88a,b



are derived using Faraday's induction effect yet induction is not luminous yet Maxwell's equations are used to represent the structure of light. Cannot you explain that?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617140

I just thought of something if the Van Allen radiation belt exists. How do the radio signals that originate from the earth and propagate through the Van belt reach the Mars probe and what is the use of radio antenna telescopes if the celestial radio waves have to go through the Van belt. Cheers.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617150

The lunar lander decent stage does not contain the volume of fuel required in landing the lunar lander on the surface of the moon since the total weight of the Apollo 11 lunar lander is 33,083 lbs, using the moon gravity of .16 g the lunar lander weight would be comparable to launching a 5293 lb payload into the earth's orbit; consequently, to descend the lunar lander with a weight of 33,083 lbs to the surface of the moon using a gravity of .16 g would required 29,000 lbs of fuel (fuel + oxidizer) yet the lunar lander decent stage contains two fuel tanks and two oxidizer tanks of approximate volumes of 1,000 gallons each (fig 1) since the lower half of the lunar lander (decent stage) is approximately the height of an astronaut (fig 2) which represents approximately 1,000 gallons (fig 3) which represents a total fuel weight (fuel + oxidizer) of approximately 16,000 lb  that is 13,000 lbs less than the fuel weight  of 29,000 lbs required in the landing of the 33,083 lbs lunar lander onto the surface of the moon.

Figure 1 lander schematics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Module#/media/File:LM_illustration_02.jpg

Figure 2 astronaut and lander https://www.google.com/search?q=apollo+11&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbnKuP0_TRAhVrqVQKHaCFAJ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=907#imgrc=Y0sq5ZZacwCt9M:

Figure 3 water tank  https://www.google.com/search?q=1,000+gallon+water+container&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjei-fD0vTRAhVJxVQKHbhEDl8Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=907#imgrc=Qo2vtZny17uicM:

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617151

there are waves of light through the electronic matter of free space, 
which includes atmospheres at ground, if any ground; 
you only need find the canonical format for cmc = E, 
mod pi 

___________________________________________________________


Knock them silly.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617155

In the Apollo 11 film that depicts the decent of the lunar lander to the surface of the moon, the lunar lander is propagating in the horizontal direction yet the reaction control thrusters are located on the accent stage. A thrust from the right side control thruster to produce the horizontal motion of the lander would cause the lunar lander to tip downward and result in the spin of the lunar lander. Also, the varying center of gravity of the lunar lander caused by the reduction of the fuel weight, during the decent, would make the lunar lander propagating in the horizontal direction highly unlikely. What do you think?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617156

In particle physics, the CERN accelerator is comprised of a 27 km circumference vacuum tube that the proton beam propagates through but a magnet can only change the direction of the proton beam; consequently, it is questionable the purpose of the 27 km circumference CERN vacuum tube since the proton (hadron) beam cannot be accelerated while propagating through the  27 km circumference CERN vacuum tube.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617157

Einstein (1917) uses the inertial mass (Eo/c2) to structurally unify Maxwell's electromagnetic field with matter to justify the existence of Maxwell's electromagnetic field but Einstein's inertial mass (m = Eo/c2) is massless since Eo represents the energy of an electromagnetic photon.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617158

The velocity of light has not been measured. Fabry-Perot uses a glass wedge interference effect to obtain a wavelength that is used in a wave equation (λf = c) to calculate the velocity of light but the optical ether, composed of matter, that forms the light waves which produce Fabry-Perot glass wedge interference effect does not physically exist (vacuum) which proves the wave equation cannot be used to calculate the velocity of light.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617159

 

Huygens calculates the velocity of light using the earth's orbital diameter and a 22 minutes time delay (fig 1). 

"Now in quantities of observations of these Eclipses, made during ten consecutive years, these differences have been found to be very considerable, such as ten minutes and more; and from them it has been concluded that in order to traverse the whole diameter of the annual orbit KL, which is double the distance from here to the sun, Light requires about 22 minutes of time." (Huygens, p. 9). 

Huygens uses the earth's orbital diameter KL and a 22 time delay to measure the velocity of light, based on Roemer's observation of the period of Io but the period of Io has been measured at 42.45930686 hours which proves Roemer's time delay of Io's period does not occur and cannot be used to calculate the velocity of light. 

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617217

oh, that's sylli -- on your part

> Huygens uses the earth's orbital diameter KL and a 22 time delay to measure the velocity of light, based on Roemer's observation of the period of Io but the period of Io has been measured at 42.45930686 hours which proves Roemer's time delay of Io's period does not occur and cannot be used to calculate the velocity of light.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617467 — waves are wavey

badly said, but Ole roemeR did that, so long ago;
anyone who reads his account, or any account of that,
knows perfectly well that you are a typist

> > Huygens uses the earth's orbital diameter KL and a 22 time delay to measure the velocity of light, based on Roemer's observation of the period of Io but the period of Io has been measured at 42.45930686 hours which proves Roemer's time delay of Io's period does not occur and cannot be used to calculate the velocity of light.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617494 — Re: waves are wavey

bad, typist -- bad; I mean

> delay of Io's period does not occur and cannot be used to calculate the velocity of light.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617160

Cavendish detected a gravitational force of 2 μg which is equivalent to the weight of a single dust particle but the weight measurement uncertainty in 1797 was 1 mg. Cavendish is measuring a force 1,000 times smaller than the weight (force) measurement uncertainty in 1797 which proves Cavendish's experiment, that is used to derive Newton's gravity constant G, is physically invalid. Example, in 2017, if a child said that she was 13 years old but also stated that she was born in 2010 is analogous to measuring a gravitational force of 2 μg that is less than the measurement uncertainty of 1 mg.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617256

your juts typing, or talking about typing;
trolls get a lot of whitespace around here

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#617537

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 6:54:59 PM UTC-5, numbernu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it causing gravity?

NO

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 3 of 5 — ← Prev page 1 2 [3] 4 5  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | sci.physics

csiph-web