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Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons:

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  Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-27 17:31 -0500
    Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-27 22:53 +0000
      Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-27 21:45 -0500
        Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Sergio <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2016-12-27 21:40 -0600
        Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-28 06:01 +0000
          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-29 17:23 -0500
            Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-30 01:10 +0000
              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-30 17:23 -0500
                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-31 00:08 +0000
                  Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-30 20:35 -0500
                    Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-31 02:20 +0000
                      Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-31 17:30 -0500
                        Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-12-31 22:44 +0000
                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-31 21:06 -0500
                            Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-01 02:58 +0000
                        Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 07:07 -0800
                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 07:12 -0800
                            Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 09:34 -0800
                              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:18 -0800
                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:37 -0800
                                  Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:57 -0800
                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:37 -0800
                              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 16:42 -0500
                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-02 22:14 +0000
                                  Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 18:35 -0500
                                    Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 00:37 +0000
                                      Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 20:09 -0500
                                        Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 02:13 +0000
                                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 18:45 -0800
                                            Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 05:58 +0000
                                              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 05:40 -0800
                                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 08:35 -0800
                                                  Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:35 -0500
                                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 08:41 -0800
                                                  Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:41 -0500
                                                    Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:53 -0800
                                                      Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 19:14 -0500
                                                        Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 07:49 -0800
                                                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 07:55 -0800
                                                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-05 17:41 -0500
                                                            Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 00:33 +0000
                                                              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-05 21:15 -0500
                                                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 03:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-06 16:44 -0500
                                                                    Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 22:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-06 17:24 -0500
                                                                        Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-06 23:19 +0000
                                                                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-06 20:23 -0500
                                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:19 -0500
                                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:01 -0500
                                            Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-03 23:38 +0000
                                              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 19:18 -0500
                                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-04 00:39 +0000
                          Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-01-01 18:30 +0000
                            Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 10:49 -0800
                              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 20:08 -0600
                              Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 16:47 -0500
                                Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 17:14 -0800
                                  Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 20:31 -0500
                                    Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 04:14 -0800
                                      Re: Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons: benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:05 -0500
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#610541 — Great thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons:

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-12-27 17:31 -0500
SubjectGreat thinkers call Chimp and HVAC morons:
Message-ID<5862ebb3$0$57908$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>
"There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which 
can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are 
impossible."

William James

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#610549

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-12-27 22:53 +0000
Message-ID<408bjd-98f.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#610541
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> 
> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which 
> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are 
> impossible."
> 
> William James

Who also said:

"Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
subliminal or transmarginal region'.

James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#610566

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-12-27 21:45 -0500
Message-ID<58632742$0$51693$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#610549
On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>
>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>> impossible."
>>
>> William James
>
> Who also said:
>
> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>
> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>
>
So going to a seance makes one a kook? Gosh, lucky me. I've never been 
to one! How exactly does one "dabble" in metaphysics? I think you and 
HVAC are dabblers.

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#610573

FromSergio <invlaid@invalid.com>
Date2016-12-27 21:40 -0600
Message-ID<o3vc79$rhc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#610566
On 12/27/2016 8:45 PM, benj wrote:
> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>> impossible."

analyze sentance =>  if you believe one phenomena is bullshit, then 
there is no compariable source of deception.

sentance is BS

>>>
>>> William James
>>
>> Who also said:
>>
>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>
>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>
>>
> So going to a seance makes one a kook? Gosh, lucky me. I've never been
> to one! How exactly does one "dabble" in metaphysics? I think you and
> HVAC are dabblers.


they not dabblers!    they b doodlers!   Howdie Doodlers...

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#610581

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-12-28 06:01 +0000
Message-ID<121cjd-qoh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#610566
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>> impossible."
>>>
>>> William James
>>
>> Who also said:
>>
>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>
>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>
>>
> So going to a seance makes one a kook?

Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#610786

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-12-29 17:23 -0500
Message-ID<58658cf0$0$11852$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#610581
On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>> impossible."
>>>>
>>>> William James
>>>
>>> Who also said:
>>>
>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>
>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>
>>>
>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>
> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>
>
Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, 
right? Fist bump?

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#610820

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-12-30 01:10 +0000
Message-ID<lpogjd-ne4.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#610786
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>
>>>>> William James
>>>>
>>>> Who also said:
>>>>
>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>
>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>
>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>
>>
> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here, 
> right? Fist bump?

You have been given many references that show that every study of the
paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#610923

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-12-30 17:23 -0500
Message-ID<5866de73$0$10178$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#610820
On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William James
>>>>>
>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>
>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>
>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>
>>>
>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>> right? Fist bump?
>
> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.

This is not true. Studies for over a century show significant positive 
results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still 
refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try 
science instead of religion next time.

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#610950

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-12-31 00:08 +0000
Message-ID<hg9jjd-iod.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#610923
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> William James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>>
>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>>> right? Fist bump?
>>
>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.
> 
> This is not true.

Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.

Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.

> Studie for over a century show significant positive 
> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still 
> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try 
> science instead of religion next time.

Science means a study is repeatable kook.

Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
subsequent scrutiny kook.

That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been
repeatable kook.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#610963

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-12-30 20:35 -0500
Message-ID<58670b58$0$36032$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#610950
On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> William James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>>>
>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>>>> right? Fist bump?
>>>
>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.
>>
>> This is not true.
>
> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>
> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>
>> Studie for over a century show significant positive
>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still
>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try
>> science instead of religion next time.
>
> Science means a study is repeatable kook.

Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" 
is not.

> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
> subsequent scrutiny kook.

Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive 
results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you.

> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been
> repeatable kook.

Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false. Even skeptics don't say 
this anymore. Today they talk about "file drawer" and Bayseian
statistics. Cripes do you think I'm going to teach you how to be a denier?

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#610973

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-12-31 02:20 +0000
Message-ID<e8hjjd-phe.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#610963
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> William James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>>>>> right? Fist bump?
>>>>
>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.
>>>
>>> This is not true.
>>
>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>
>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>
>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive
>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still
>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try
>>> science instead of religion next time.
>>
>> Science means a study is repeatable kook.
> 
> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers" 
> is not.

No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook.

Science is about repeatable experiments kook.

>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>> subsequent scrutiny kook.
> 
> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive 
> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you.

Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is
true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims
and call others liers kook.

>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been
>> repeatable kook.
> 
> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false.

Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to
do with anything kook.

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#611096

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-12-31 17:30 -0500
Message-ID<5868317f$0$63806$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#610973
On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> William James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>>>>>> right? Fist bump?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
>>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
>>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.
>>>>
>>>> This is not true.
>>>
>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>
>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>
>>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive
>>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still
>>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try
>>>> science instead of religion next time.
>>>
>>> Science means a study is repeatable kook.
>>
>> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers"
>> is not.
>
> No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook.
>
> Science is about repeatable experiments kook.
>
>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>>> subsequent scrutiny kook.
>>
>> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive
>> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you.
>
> Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is
> true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims
> and call others liers kook.

Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not 
and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your 
opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob.

>>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been
>>> repeatable kook.
>>
>> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false.
>
> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
> subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to
> do with anything kook.

Your statement is totally false. In fact, subsequent tests tat showed 
negative results were subsequently shown to be flawed. Meta-aqnalysis 
has EVERYTHING to do with it. You don't even know what it is, do you? 
Even without it lab experiments with ESP show statistically significant 
positive results. Yet you deny and deny.

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#611105

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-12-31 22:44 +0000
Message-ID<60pljd-enl.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#611096
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> William James
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>>>>>>> right? Fist bump?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
>>>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
>>>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not true.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>>
>>>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive
>>>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still
>>>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try
>>>>> science instead of religion next time.
>>>>
>>>> Science means a study is repeatable kook.
>>>
>>> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers"
>>> is not.
>>
>> No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook.
>>
>> Science is about repeatable experiments kook.
>>
>>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>>>> subsequent scrutiny kook.
>>>
>>> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive
>>> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you.
>>
>> Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is
>> true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims
>> and call others liers kook.
> 
> Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not 
> and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your 
> opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob.

Science is repeatable experimentation and paranormal experiments have
never shown to withstand that scutinity.

You have been given numerous references to show this is true.
 
>>>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been
>>>> repeatable kook.
>>>
>>> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false.
>>
>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>> subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to
>> do with anything kook.
> 
> Your statement is totally false.

Contrary to your opinion the statement is true and you have been given
numerous references to show it is true.

<snip babble about analysis of bogus data>


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#611158

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-12-31 21:06 -0500
Message-ID<58686435$0$36053$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#611105
On 12/31/2016 5:44 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> William James
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>>>>>>>> right? Fist bump?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
>>>>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
>>>>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive
>>>>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still
>>>>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try
>>>>>> science instead of religion next time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Science means a study is repeatable kook.
>>>>
>>>> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers"
>>>> is not.
>>>
>>> No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook.
>>>
>>> Science is about repeatable experiments kook.
>>>
>>>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>>>>> subsequent scrutiny kook.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive
>>>> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you.
>>>
>>> Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is
>>> true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims
>>> and call others liers kook.
>>
>> Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not
>> and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your
>> opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob.
>
> Science is repeatable experimentation and paranormal experiments have
> never shown to withstand that scutinity.
>
> You have been given numerous references to show this is true.
>
>>>>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been
>>>>> repeatable kook.
>>>>
>>>> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false.
>>>
>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>>> subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to
>>> do with anything kook.
>>
>> Your statement is totally false.
>
> Contrary to your opinion the statement is true and you have been given
> numerous references to show it is true.
>
> <snip babble about analysis of bogus data>
>
>
Hardly a reference. Just someone who agrees with your bogus views.

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#611165

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-01-01 02:58 +0000
Message-ID<rr7mjd-j5n.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#611158
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 12/31/2016 5:44 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2016 9:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/30/2016 7:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/29/2016 8:10 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/28/2016 1:01 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/27/2016 5:53 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no source of deception in the investigation of nature which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of phenomena are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> William James
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who also said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Religious Mysticism is only one half of mysticism, the other half is
>>>>>>>>>>>> composed of the insane and both of these are co-located in the 'great
>>>>>>>>>>>> subliminal or transmarginal region'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James held seances with Leonora Piper, dabbled in metaphysics, religion,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and mysticism and defeneded "The Will to Believe", the adoption of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> belief without prior evidence of its truth, i.e. religion, ghosts, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So going to a seance makes one a kook?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Among other things like believing in ghosts, ESP, and remote viewing kook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your and HVAC's opinion is enough proof for any of the kooks here,
>>>>>>>>> right? Fist bump?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have been given many references that show that every study of the
>>>>>>>> paranormal that showed positive results has failed subsequent scrutiny
>>>>>>>> so opinion has nothing to do with it kook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it is true and you have been given many references to prove it kook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Studie for over a century show significant positive
>>>>>>> results. All skeptic criticisms have been answered and they (you) still
>>>>>>> refuse to accept the probabilities because of your diehard beliefs. Try
>>>>>>> science instead of religion next time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Science means a study is repeatable kook.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drooler, probability is an essential technique of science. "Superpowers"
>>>>> is not.
>>>>
>>>> No one but you said anything about "Superpowers" kook.
>>>>
>>>> Science is about repeatable experiments kook.
>>>>
>>>>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>>>>>> subsequent scrutiny kook.
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely false. Even skeptical studies have shown some positive
>>>>> results which they ignored because they are dishonest like you.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely true and you have been given the references to show it is
>>>> true while all you have done is arm wave, make unsubstantiated claims
>>>> and call others liers kook.
>>>
>>> Exactly, Drooler. So you now want to play schoolyard games of did not
>>> and did too! You are a total waste of time. Simply repeating your
>>> opinion changes nothing. Opinion is not science, nutjob.
>>
>> Science is repeatable experimentation and paranormal experiments have
>> never shown to withstand that scutinity.
>>
>> You have been given numerous references to show this is true.
>>
>>>>>> That means none of the studies you keep harping on about has been
>>>>>> repeatable kook.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meta-analysis shows this argument totally false.
>>>>
>>>> Every study of the paranormal that showed positive results has failed
>>>> subsequent scrutiny kook, which mean "Meta-analysis" has nothing to
>>>> do with anything kook.
>>>
>>> Your statement is totally false.
>>
>> Contrary to your opinion the statement is true and you have been given
>> numerous references to show it is true.
>>
>> <snip babble about analysis of bogus data>
>>
>>
> Hardly a reference. Just someone who agrees with your bogus views.

Not "a reference", multiple references which included web sites,
books, and reports.

Not that you bothered to read any of them.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#611195

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-01 07:07 -0800
Message-ID<342e7d36-34c8-4252-a63f-d7e519b0a56b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611096
BJ quacked 
Your statement is totally false. In fact, subsequent tests tat showed 
negative results were subsequently shown to be flawed. Meta-aqnalysis 
has EVERYTHING to do with it. You don't even know what it is, do you? 
Even without it lab experiments with ESP show statistically significant 
positive results. Yet you deny and deny. 
----------

Lol. BJ not only believes in ghosts, he believes in ESP and ancient aliens. 

But he's not a kook. No no

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#611196

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-01 07:12 -0800
Message-ID<477877fc-fdb8-4af5-9c7f-5eea0b88bc33@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611195
What do you believe, HVAC?
Anything you're told?
ROTFLMAO

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#611214

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-01 09:34 -0800
Message-ID<06452f04-c19e-4fc0-83ce-d49d57085c86@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611196
Poor John said 
What do you believe, HVAC? 
Anything you're told? 
--------

I believe in science. I believe in the svisit method of sorting fact from bullshit. I am a rationalist

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#611225

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-01 11:18 -0800
Message-ID<4fd9808f-d3c9-48ae-a9ca-93d232db75d1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611214
Learn to attribute properly HVAC, I think you drove away PointedEars.

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 12:34:29 PM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> Poor John said 
>> What do you believe, HVAC? 
>> Anything you're told? 
> --------
> 
> I believe in science. I believe in the svisit method of sorting fact
> from bullshit. I am a rationalist

Scientists do not believe in Science, they prove their ideas. Strike One.
What in your hell HVAC is the svisit method? Strike two.
I know rationalists, and you HVAC are no rationalist. Strike three. Out!

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=chaos+james+gleick+pdf is the
mathematician credited with discovering fractals. Back in 1987ish. 
I think, my memory fades me, I attended lectures by him at UMCP. I love
fractals! They're way better than turtles all the way up and down. 
O wait... curiouser and curiouser, UMCP's mascot is a turtle. WeirderER?

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#611227

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-01 11:37 -0800
Message-ID<0efe0567-94fb-499c-ba1e-4093d64680a0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#611225
Loopy says 
Learn to attribute properly HVAC, I think you drove away PointedEars. 
-----------

I have no idea of whom you speak but I deny your request anyway. 


- show quoted text -
Scientists do not believe in Science, they prove their ideas. Strike One. 
What in your hell HVAC is the svisit method? 
-----------

It doesn't matter what anyone believes except me and it was a typo. I don't use auto correct and one snuck by. However to anyone of even marginal intelligence it should be obvious



Strike two. 
I know rationalists, and you HVAC are no rationalist. Strike three. Out! 

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