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  How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-05 09:54 -0800
    Re: How far is Jupiter? Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2019-02-05 10:57 -0700
    Re: How far is Jupiter? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-02-05 13:04 -0500
      Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-05 23:54 -0800
        Re: How far is Jupiter? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-02-06 10:21 -0500
          Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-06 14:55 -0800
            Re: How far is Jupiter? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-02-06 18:16 -0500
              Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-06 16:45 -0800
                Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-06 16:56 -0800
              Re: How far is Jupiter? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2019-02-07 02:09 +0000
                Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-06 20:48 -0800
                  Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-07 10:13 -0800
                    Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-09 15:06 -0800
                      Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-10 00:22 -0800
                        Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-10 22:29 -0800
                        Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-11 10:04 -0800
                          Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-11 10:44 -0800
                            Re: How far is Jupiter? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-11 19:29 -0800
                            Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-12 09:08 -0800
                              Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-14 00:17 -0800
                          Re: How far is Jupiter? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-02-12 08:50 -0800
                Re: How far is Jupiter? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-07 17:09 -0600
                  Re: How far is Jupiter? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 16:12 -0700
                  Re: How far is Jupiter? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 22:24 -0500
                    Re: How far is Jupiter? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-08 07:39 -0600
      Re: How far is Jupiter? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-07 12:42 +1100
        Re: How far is Jupiter? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-07 12:49 -0600
          Re: How far is Jupiter? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 17:53 -0500
            Re: How far is Jupiter? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-07 17:07 -0600
            Re: How far is Jupiter? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-08 16:52 +1100
              Re: How far is Jupiter? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-08 13:00 -0500
                Re: How far is Jupiter? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-02-09 11:22 +1100
            Re: How far is Jupiter? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson_invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-07 22:08 -0800
              Re: How far is Jupiter? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-08 07:46 -0600
    Re: How far is Jupiter? sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-02-05 10:52 -0800
      Re: How far is Jupiter? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-02-05 19:57 +0100
        Re: How far is Jupiter? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-05 14:03 -0600
          Re: How far is Jupiter? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-02-05 17:42 -0500
            Re: How far is Jupiter? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-02-05 15:51 -0700
            Re: How far is Jupiter? Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> - 2019-02-05 17:30 -0600
          Re: How far is Jupiter? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-05 14:52 -0800
    Re: How far is Jupiter? "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2019-02-05 15:08 -0500
    Re: How far is Jupiter? Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2019-02-06 14:05 +1100
      Re: How far is Jupiter? "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-02-06 10:23 -0500
        Re: How far is Jupiter? Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2019-02-07 09:34 +1100
          Re: How far is Jupiter? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-02-07 00:54 +0100
    Re: How far is Jupiter? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-09 18:46 -0800

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#726875

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 12:20:13 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > > I ask..
> > > How does Mr Loeb
> > > get to be known
> > > as an authority on
> > > the first stars
> > >  in the early universe?
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone answer that question????
> >
> > Here's how...
> >
> > https://astronomy.fas.harvard.edu/people/avi-loeb
> >
> > https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/
> >
> >
> >
> > That's how. 4 books and over 700 papers.
> >
> > Any more really stupid questions?
> 
> Sure, he wrote 4 books and 700 sheets of toilet papers....
> 
> that makes him an expert on...flying saucers.
> 
> Let me see, the title of the first paper
> 
> In the beginning:
> 
> (whoa! a religious fanatic!)
> 
> Book: The First Galaxies In The Universe
> 
> Book: From The First..
> 
> Book: How Did The First...
> 
> "In the beginning", The First.., The First..
> 
> (i get it, he's number 1)
> 
> Book: EXTRATERSTIAL LIFE   (just the cover?)
> 
> (book must be on it's way from the publishers in...Jupiter)
> 
> Essays:  "Are We Really the Smartest Kid on the Block?"
> 
> (doesn't he mean  "Am I Really the Smartest Kid on the Block?")
> 
> Essays: *"Advanced Extraterrestrials as an Approximation to God"
> 
> (he should join Dianatics and partner with Ron Hubbard )
> 
> *"Six Strange Facts About the First Interstellar Visitor, `Oumuamua",
> 
> (First?) (okay, i get it, he's got an ego and he thinks he's number 1 )
> 
> *"Why a Mission to a Visiting Interstellar Object Could Be Our Best Bet for Finding Aliens"
> 
> (re-write that...Best Bet for Finding the FIRST Aliens)
> 
> *"Making the Church Taller"
> 
> (...?)
> 
> *"Thinking About Distant Civilizations Isn't Speculative", Der Spiegel Online in English (January 7, 2019).
> 
> *"Are Alien Civilizations Technologically Advanced?"
> 
> (well, they have taller churches...)
> 
> *Greetings from Outer Space (in French)",
> 
> (Bon Juir Mon Suier, take mui a la tu leader, merci , ooh la la, Juipertier)
> 
> *"Alien Probe?", Wall Street Journal (February 8, 2019).
> 
> "The Lost Donkeys of Science",
> 
> (okay...he's fuckin nuts, does that any difference?)
> 
> "First Light in the Universe"
> 
> "From the First Star to the End of Time" (in hebrew), A. Loeb (Carmel Publishing House, Israel 2015).
> 
> (Is he fucking Jewish????)
> 



So this Havard Proffessor writes a paper

Essays:  "Are We Really the Smartest Kid on the Block?"


(it would be too obvious if he had it translated into Hebrew like he did with some of
his other papers.

By "We" he means himself and his hebreww people. By "block" he means planet Earth.)


He certaintly not talking about anyone else on earth...you know, the half animals, the half pigs he calls...Goy.

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#726283

On 2/6/2019 8:09 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <dgqm5edij533dmfp6cte17ildnu3jkp5n2@4ax.com>,
> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2019, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>>
>>> I meant, since the flying saucer is currently at Jupiter...how long did
>> it take 
>>> the flying saucer to get to Jupiter from it's Home planet?
>>
>> That depends upon three things:
>>
>> 1) distance of saucer's home planet from Jupiter,
>>
>> 2) acceleration of flying saucer,
>>
>> 3) deceleration of flying saucer.
>>
> (4) Existence of flying saucer in the first place.
> 

    note: flying saucers work on Diesel fuel

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#726284

On 2019-02-07 4:09 p.m., Serg Io wrote:
> On 2/6/2019 8:09 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <dgqm5edij533dmfp6cte17ildnu3jkp5n2@4ax.com>,
>> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2019, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I meant, since the flying saucer is currently at Jupiter...how long did
>>> it take
>>>> the flying saucer to get to Jupiter from it's Home planet?
>>>
>>> That depends upon three things:
>>>
>>> 1) distance of saucer's home planet from Jupiter,
>>>
>>> 2) acceleration of flying saucer,
>>>
>>> 3) deceleration of flying saucer.
>>>
>> (4) Existence of flying saucer in the first place.
>>
> 
>      note: flying saucers work on Diesel fuel
> 

too the moon alice

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#726314

On 2/7/2019 6:09 PM, Serg Io wrote:
> On 2/6/2019 8:09 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <dgqm5edij533dmfp6cte17ildnu3jkp5n2@4ax.com>,
>> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2019, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I meant, since the flying saucer is currently at Jupiter...how long did
>>> it take
>>>> the flying saucer to get to Jupiter from it's Home planet?
>>>
>>> That depends upon three things:
>>>
>>> 1) distance of saucer's home planet from Jupiter,
>>>
>>> 2) acceleration of flying saucer,
>>>
>>> 3) deceleration of flying saucer.
>>>
>> (4) Existence of flying saucer in the first place.
>>
> 
>      note: flying saucers work on Diesel fuel
> 
I thought they ran on wind and solar! I was pretty sure all aliens are 
"green"!

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#726371

On 2/7/2019 9:24 PM, benj wrote:
> On 2/7/2019 6:09 PM, Serg Io wrote:
>> On 2/6/2019 8:09 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <dgqm5edij533dmfp6cte17ildnu3jkp5n2@4ax.com>,
>>> Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2019, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I meant, since the flying saucer is currently at Jupiter...how long
>>>>> did
>>>> it take
>>>>> the flying saucer to get to Jupiter from it's Home planet?
>>>>
>>>> That depends upon three things:
>>>>
>>>> 1) distance of saucer's home planet from Jupiter,
>>>>
>>>> 2) acceleration of flying saucer,
>>>>
>>>> 3) deceleration of flying saucer.
>>>>
>>> (4) Existence of flying saucer in the first place.
>>>
>>
>>      note: flying saucers work on Diesel fuel
>>
> I thought they ran on wind and solar! I was pretty sure all aliens are
> "green"!

some flying saucers have very long extension cords back green power.

on some alien planets the oil is a green color, so they think Diesel is
a green fuel, and many aliens are very thin skin as they live on remote
planets from their sun, but they all like a Cold Bud at lunchtime.

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#726149

On 6/02/2019 5:04 am, Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 09:54:20 -0800, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> https://www.foxnews.com/science/harvard-prof-doesnt-back-down-from-claims-extraterrestrial-spacecraft-tech-is-flying-past-jupiter-orbit
>>
>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>
>> this week or next week?
>>
>> i'm not sure how you figure these things out...
>>
>> I didn't go to ...Harvard.
> 
> Time-wise, Jupiter is very far. Given that to
> travel from Earth to Jupiter or vice versa, two
> things must be considered. Acceleration and
> declaration.  One thing that can't be left out
> of the equation is how much force can the
> organism or the ship handle. You don't want
> either to get squashed.
> 
> So, realistically, from a human's standpoint,
> it would take years to travel from Jupiter
> to Earth.
> 

Jupiter's orbit averages about 5 AU which is also its average distance 
from Earth.

1 AU is about 150 million kilometers, or 1.5 * 10^11 metres. So 5 AU is 
about 7.5 * 10^11 metres. Call that s.

Suppose the space ship accelerates at 1g (call that 10m/s^s, and let it 
be a) for half the time, and decelerates at 1g for the other half. Let t 
be the time the whole journey.

	s/2 = 1/2 * a * (t/2)^2

	t/2 = sqrt(s/2 / (1/2 * a))

	t/2 = sqrt(s / a)

	t = 2 * sqrt(s / a)

Substituting for the terms, gives t = 2 * sqrt(10^11 / 10), or 2 * 10^5 
seconds, or about 55 hours.

The top speed reached is 10^6 metres per second, or 36 million 
kilometres per hour, so the orbital speeds of Jupiter and the Earth are 
negligible, as are relativistic effects. The course taken would be 
pretty much a straight line.

Zipping about the solar system would be quite practical if we could 
maintain 1g over an entire journey. Only we can't, and there's no 
realistic prospect of being able to do so.

Sylvia.












	
	

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#726248

On 2/6/2019 7:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 6/02/2019 5:04 am, Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 09:54:20 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/science/harvard-prof-doesnt-back-down-from-claims-extraterrestrial-spacecraft-tech-is-flying-past-jupiter-orbit
>>>
>>>
>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>
>>> this week or next week?
>>>
>>> i'm not sure how you figure these things out...
>>>
>>> I didn't go to ...Harvard.
>>
>> Time-wise, Jupiter is very far. Given that to
>> travel from Earth to Jupiter or vice versa, two
>> things must be considered. Acceleration and
>> declaration.  One thing that can't be left out
>> of the equation is how much force can the
>> organism or the ship handle. You don't want
>> either to get squashed.
>>
>> So, realistically, from a human's standpoint,
>> it would take years to travel from Jupiter
>> to Earth.
>>
> 
> Jupiter's orbit averages about 5 AU which is also its average distance
> from Earth.
> 
> 1 AU is about 150 million kilometers, or 1.5 * 10^11 metres. So 5 AU is
> about 7.5 * 10^11 metres. Call that s.
> 
> Suppose the space ship accelerates at 1g (call that 10m/s^s, and let it
> be a) for half the time, and decelerates at 1g for the other half. Let t
> be the time the whole journey.
> 
>     s/2 = 1/2 * a * (t/2)^2
> 
>     t/2 = sqrt(s/2 / (1/2 * a))
> 
>     t/2 = sqrt(s / a)
> 
>     t = 2 * sqrt(s / a)
> 
> Substituting for the terms, gives t = 2 * sqrt(10^11 / 10), or 2 * 10^5
> seconds, or about 55 hours.
> 
> The top speed reached is 10^6 metres per second, or 36 million
> kilometres per hour, so the orbital speeds of Jupiter and the Earth are
> negligible, as are relativistic effects. The course taken would be
> pretty much a straight line.
> 
> Zipping about the solar system would be quite practical if we could
> maintain 1g over an entire journey. Only we can't, and there's no
> realistic prospect of being able to do so.
> 
> Sylvia.
> 

one can also limit/bound the problem of how far you can go, and # of
turns you can make, in traveling in space by fuel mass.  It also bounds
accelleration time.

one 90 degree turn, and you blew it, you have to start over, unless you
use a planets gravity, or a stars gravity field to change direction.

       momentium vector

so starship enterprize is total science fiction, and has warped peoples
views.

The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
universe.

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#726279

On 2/7/2019 1:49 PM, Serg Io wrote:
> On 2/6/2019 7:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 6/02/2019 5:04 am, Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 09:54:20 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/science/harvard-prof-doesnt-back-down-from-claims-extraterrestrial-spacecraft-tech-is-flying-past-jupiter-orbit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>>
>>>> this week or next week?
>>>>
>>>> i'm not sure how you figure these things out...
>>>>
>>>> I didn't go to ...Harvard.
>>>
>>> Time-wise, Jupiter is very far. Given that to
>>> travel from Earth to Jupiter or vice versa, two
>>> things must be considered. Acceleration and
>>> declaration.  One thing that can't be left out
>>> of the equation is how much force can the
>>> organism or the ship handle. You don't want
>>> either to get squashed.
>>>
>>> So, realistically, from a human's standpoint,
>>> it would take years to travel from Jupiter
>>> to Earth.
>>>
>>
>> Jupiter's orbit averages about 5 AU which is also its average distance
>> from Earth.
>>
>> 1 AU is about 150 million kilometers, or 1.5 * 10^11 metres. So 5 AU is
>> about 7.5 * 10^11 metres. Call that s.
>>
>> Suppose the space ship accelerates at 1g (call that 10m/s^s, and let it
>> be a) for half the time, and decelerates at 1g for the other half. Let t
>> be the time the whole journey.
>>
>>      s/2 = 1/2 * a * (t/2)^2
>>
>>      t/2 = sqrt(s/2 / (1/2 * a))
>>
>>      t/2 = sqrt(s / a)
>>
>>      t = 2 * sqrt(s / a)
>>
>> Substituting for the terms, gives t = 2 * sqrt(10^11 / 10), or 2 * 10^5
>> seconds, or about 55 hours.
>>
>> The top speed reached is 10^6 metres per second, or 36 million
>> kilometres per hour, so the orbital speeds of Jupiter and the Earth are
>> negligible, as are relativistic effects. The course taken would be
>> pretty much a straight line.
>>
>> Zipping about the solar system would be quite practical if we could
>> maintain 1g over an entire journey. Only we can't, and there's no
>> realistic prospect of being able to do so.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
> 
> one can also limit/bound the problem of how far you can go, and # of
> turns you can make, in traveling in space by fuel mass.  It also bounds
> accelleration time.
> 
> one 90 degree turn, and you blew it, you have to start over, unless you
> use a planets gravity, or a stars gravity field to change direction.
> 
>         momentium vector
> 
> so starship enterprize is total science fiction, and has warped peoples
> views.

Warp drive is REAL. Odd can tell you that much.

> The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
> universe.

Actually they don't, it's just that humans think they know all the laws 
of physics but barely have a clue. Our government is aware of this fact 
but it's classified.

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#726282

On 2/7/2019 4:53 PM, benj wrote:
> On 2/7/2019 1:49 PM, Serg Io wrote:
>> On 2/6/2019 7:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 6/02/2019 5:04 am, Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 09:54:20 -0800, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/science/harvard-prof-doesnt-back-down-from-claims-extraterrestrial-spacecraft-tech-is-flying-past-jupiter-orbit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>>>
>>>>> this week or next week?
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm not sure how you figure these things out...
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't go to ...Harvard.
>>>>
>>>> Time-wise, Jupiter is very far. Given that to
>>>> travel from Earth to Jupiter or vice versa, two
>>>> things must be considered. Acceleration and
>>>> declaration.  One thing that can't be left out
>>>> of the equation is how much force can the
>>>> organism or the ship handle. You don't want
>>>> either to get squashed.
>>>>
>>>> So, realistically, from a human's standpoint,
>>>> it would take years to travel from Jupiter
>>>> to Earth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jupiter's orbit averages about 5 AU which is also its average distance
>>> from Earth.
>>>
>>> 1 AU is about 150 million kilometers, or 1.5 * 10^11 metres. So 5 AU is
>>> about 7.5 * 10^11 metres. Call that s.
>>>
>>> Suppose the space ship accelerates at 1g (call that 10m/s^s, and let it
>>> be a) for half the time, and decelerates at 1g for the other half. Let t
>>> be the time the whole journey.
>>>
>>>      s/2 = 1/2 * a * (t/2)^2
>>>
>>>      t/2 = sqrt(s/2 / (1/2 * a))
>>>
>>>      t/2 = sqrt(s / a)
>>>
>>>      t = 2 * sqrt(s / a)
>>>
>>> Substituting for the terms, gives t = 2 * sqrt(10^11 / 10), or 2 * 10^5
>>> seconds, or about 55 hours.
>>>
>>> The top speed reached is 10^6 metres per second, or 36 million
>>> kilometres per hour, so the orbital speeds of Jupiter and the Earth are
>>> negligible, as are relativistic effects. The course taken would be
>>> pretty much a straight line.
>>>
>>> Zipping about the solar system would be quite practical if we could
>>> maintain 1g over an entire journey. Only we can't, and there's no
>>> realistic prospect of being able to do so.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>
>> one can also limit/bound the problem of how far you can go, and # of
>> turns you can make, in traveling in space by fuel mass.  It also bounds
>> accelleration time.
>>
>> one 90 degree turn, and you blew it, you have to start over, unless you
>> use a planets gravity, or a stars gravity field to change direction.
>>
>>         momentium vector
>>
>> so starship enterprize is total science fiction, and has warped peoples
>> views.
> 
> Warp drive is REAL. Odd can tell you that much.


had that on the old Buick,
the drive was warped for sure...


couldn't drive it more than 10 miles without the drive going full warp,
 couldn't give it away as it would fall apart, and you would get sued


{So, then a rental car hit it at 3 am parked, +totaled it, got $5k
insurance for a $500 junker- probably had that much in repairs in it, a
true pos car, But this buick is where "Car Cheese" was invented, kids
milk in sippy cup left in hot car all day long.}


> 
>> The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
>> universe.
> 
> Actually they don't, it's just that humans think they know all the laws
> of physics but barely have a clue. Our government is aware of this fact
> but it's classified.
> 
> 

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#726337

On 8/02/2019 9:53 am, benj wrote:

>> The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
>> universe.
> 
> Actually they don't, it's just that humans think they know all the laws 
> of physics but barely have a clue. Our government is aware of this fact 
> but it's classified.
> 

Even the speed achieved by a 1 g acceleration on a trip to Jupiter would 
far exceed solar escape velocity, and would be enough to get to the 
nearest star in a thousand years. If the galaxy were teeming with 
civilisations using such a technology for in-system travel, there would 
inevitably be accidents that lead to derelict craft with dead crew and 
passengers heading out into interstellar space. One might speculate on 
how long it would be before we spotted one crossing the solar system.

Sylvia.

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#726392

On 2/8/2019 12:52 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 8/02/2019 9:53 am, benj wrote:
> 
>>> The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
>>> universe.
>>
>> Actually they don't, it's just that humans think they know all the 
>> laws of physics but barely have a clue. Our government is aware of 
>> this fact but it's classified.
>>
> 
> Even the speed achieved by a 1 g acceleration on a trip to Jupiter would 
> far exceed solar escape velocity, and would be enough to get to the 
> nearest star in a thousand years. If the galaxy were teeming with 
> civilisations using such a technology for in-system travel, there would 
> inevitably be accidents that lead to derelict craft with dead crew and 
> passengers heading out into interstellar space. One might speculate on 
> how long it would be before we spotted one crossing the solar system.
> 
> Sylvia.
> 
Aliens (of the intergalactic rather then central American type) do not 
take 1000s of years to get here from distant stars. Your problem is the 
age old "Indian" problem. It is this. When you have limited 
understanding, you try to couch everything in terms that you feel you 
understand. So the Indians see a UFO and their description is all about 
Eagles, bears, tortoises and the like. In a way it's really a 
description of truth but to a scientist it seems to make no science sense.

So you start with something you can understand like a one g acceleration
And your "theory" goes nowhere from there. Can you even come up with a 
plausible liberal fantasy of how one might exceed the speed of light to 
travel? I don't think so.

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#726446

On 9/02/2019 5:00 am, benj wrote:
> On 2/8/2019 12:52 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 8/02/2019 9:53 am, benj wrote:
>>
>>>> The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
>>>> universe.
>>>
>>> Actually they don't, it's just that humans think they know all the 
>>> laws of physics but barely have a clue. Our government is aware of 
>>> this fact but it's classified.
>>>
>>
>> Even the speed achieved by a 1 g acceleration on a trip to Jupiter 
>> would far exceed solar escape velocity, and would be enough to get to 
>> the nearest star in a thousand years. If the galaxy were teeming with 
>> civilisations using such a technology for in-system travel, there 
>> would inevitably be accidents that lead to derelict craft with dead 
>> crew and passengers heading out into interstellar space. One might 
>> speculate on how long it would be before we spotted one crossing the 
>> solar system.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
> Aliens (of the intergalactic rather then central American type) do not 
> take 1000s of years to get here from distant stars. Your problem is the 
> age old "Indian" problem. It is this. When you have limited 
> understanding, you try to couch everything in terms that you feel you 
> understand. So the Indians see a UFO and their description is all about 
> Eagles, bears, tortoises and the like. In a way it's really a 
> description of truth but to a scientist it seems to make no science sense.
> 
> So you start with something you can understand like a one g acceleration
> And your "theory" goes nowhere from there. Can you even come up with a 
> plausible liberal fantasy of how one might exceed the speed of light to 
> travel? I don't think so.

It's easy to do - one just posits the existence of a FTL drive. Done.

Of course, we have no reason to think that such a thing is possible, and 
some fairly good reasons to think it is not. While it seems a shame to 
be trapped, for practical purposes, in our star system, it may be a 
blessing that we're thus protected from alien invasion, unless the 
aliens are willing to do it on a huge timescale.

Sylvia.

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#726344

On 2/7/2019 2:53 PM, benj wrote:
> On 2/7/2019 1:49 PM, Serg Io wrote:
>> On 2/6/2019 7:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 6/02/2019 5:04 am, Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 09:54:20 -0800, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/science/harvard-prof-doesnt-back-down-from-claims-extraterrestrial-spacecraft-tech-is-flying-past-jupiter-orbit 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>>>
>>>>> this week or next week?
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm not sure how you figure these things out...
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't go to ...Harvard.
>>>>
>>>> Time-wise, Jupiter is very far. Given that to
>>>> travel from Earth to Jupiter or vice versa, two
>>>> things must be considered. Acceleration and
>>>> declaration.  One thing that can't be left out
>>>> of the equation is how much force can the
>>>> organism or the ship handle. You don't want
>>>> either to get squashed.
>>>>
>>>> So, realistically, from a human's standpoint,
>>>> it would take years to travel from Jupiter
>>>> to Earth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jupiter's orbit averages about 5 AU which is also its average distance
>>> from Earth.
>>>
>>> 1 AU is about 150 million kilometers, or 1.5 * 10^11 metres. So 5 AU is
>>> about 7.5 * 10^11 metres. Call that s.
>>>
>>> Suppose the space ship accelerates at 1g (call that 10m/s^s, and let it
>>> be a) for half the time, and decelerates at 1g for the other half. Let t
>>> be the time the whole journey.
>>>
>>>      s/2 = 1/2 * a * (t/2)^2
>>>
>>>      t/2 = sqrt(s/2 / (1/2 * a))
>>>
>>>      t/2 = sqrt(s / a)
>>>
>>>      t = 2 * sqrt(s / a)
>>>
>>> Substituting for the terms, gives t = 2 * sqrt(10^11 / 10), or 2 * 10^5
>>> seconds, or about 55 hours.
>>>
>>> The top speed reached is 10^6 metres per second, or 36 million
>>> kilometres per hour, so the orbital speeds of Jupiter and the Earth are
>>> negligible, as are relativistic effects. The course taken would be
>>> pretty much a straight line.
>>>
>>> Zipping about the solar system would be quite practical if we could
>>> maintain 1g over an entire journey. Only we can't, and there's no
>>> realistic prospect of being able to do so.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>
>> one can also limit/bound the problem of how far you can go, and # of
>> turns you can make, in traveling in space by fuel mass.  It also bounds
>> accelleration time.
>>
>> one 90 degree turn, and you blew it, you have to start over, unless you
>> use a planets gravity, or a stars gravity field to change direction.
>>
>>         momentium vector
>>
>> so starship enterprize is total science fiction, and has warped peoples
>> views.
> 
> Warp drive is REAL. Odd can tell you that much.

Cool man! Fwiw, in a fantasy land, here is a "ship" that just popped out 
of a highly experimental vector field of mine:

https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/5DVrgoPz49K

Here is some of my online code that you can run for yourself that oddly 
shows little disc ship like things, strange:

http://funwithfractals.atspace.cc/ct_gf_explore/ct_alien_ship.html

Keep in mind that the image on that page is dynamically generated by the 
code. Just look at the source in the page. Fwiw, the rendering should 
look like:

https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/KjXQZ97Z1R9

Here is another ship:

https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/YHJA9THHr2H

Math is really fun to play around with.

> 
>> The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
>> universe.
> 
> Actually they don't, it's just that humans think they know all the laws 
> of physics but barely have a clue. Our government is aware of this fact 
> but it's classified.
> 
> 

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#726372

On 2/8/2019 12:08 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/7/2019 2:53 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 2/7/2019 1:49 PM, Serg Io wrote:
>>> On 2/6/2019 7:42 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 6/02/2019 5:04 am, Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 09:54:20 -0800, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/science/harvard-prof-doesnt-back-down-from-claims-extraterrestrial-spacecraft-tech-is-flying-past-jupiter-orbit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>>>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this week or next week?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i'm not sure how you figure these things out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't go to ...Harvard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time-wise, Jupiter is very far. Given that to
>>>>> travel from Earth to Jupiter or vice versa, two
>>>>> things must be considered. Acceleration and
>>>>> declaration.  One thing that can't be left out
>>>>> of the equation is how much force can the
>>>>> organism or the ship handle. You don't want
>>>>> either to get squashed.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, realistically, from a human's standpoint,
>>>>> it would take years to travel from Jupiter
>>>>> to Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jupiter's orbit averages about 5 AU which is also its average distance
>>>> from Earth.
>>>>
>>>> 1 AU is about 150 million kilometers, or 1.5 * 10^11 metres. So 5 AU is
>>>> about 7.5 * 10^11 metres. Call that s.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose the space ship accelerates at 1g (call that 10m/s^s, and let it
>>>> be a) for half the time, and decelerates at 1g for the other half.
>>>> Let t
>>>> be the time the whole journey.
>>>>
>>>>      s/2 = 1/2 * a * (t/2)^2
>>>>
>>>>      t/2 = sqrt(s/2 / (1/2 * a))
>>>>
>>>>      t/2 = sqrt(s / a)
>>>>
>>>>      t = 2 * sqrt(s / a)
>>>>
>>>> Substituting for the terms, gives t = 2 * sqrt(10^11 / 10), or 2 * 10^5
>>>> seconds, or about 55 hours.
>>>>
>>>> The top speed reached is 10^6 metres per second, or 36 million
>>>> kilometres per hour, so the orbital speeds of Jupiter and the Earth are
>>>> negligible, as are relativistic effects. The course taken would be
>>>> pretty much a straight line.
>>>>
>>>> Zipping about the solar system would be quite practical if we could
>>>> maintain 1g over an entire journey. Only we can't, and there's no
>>>> realistic prospect of being able to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>
>>> one can also limit/bound the problem of how far you can go, and # of
>>> turns you can make, in traveling in space by fuel mass.  It also bounds
>>> accelleration time.
>>>
>>> one 90 degree turn, and you blew it, you have to start over, unless you
>>> use a planets gravity, or a stars gravity field to change direction.
>>>
>>>         momentium vector
>>>
>>> so starship enterprize is total science fiction, and has warped peoples
>>> views.
>>
>> Warp drive is REAL. Odd can tell you that much.
> 
> Cool man! Fwiw, in a fantasy land, here is a "ship" that just popped out
> of a highly experimental vector field of mine:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/5DVrgoPz49K
> 
> Here is some of my online code that you can run for yourself that oddly
> shows little disc ship like things, strange:
> 
> http://funwithfractals.atspace.cc/ct_gf_explore/ct_alien_ship.html
> 
> Keep in mind that the image on that page is dynamically generated by the
> code. Just look at the source in the page. Fwiw, the rendering should
> look like:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/KjXQZ97Z1R9
> 
> Here is another ship:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/101799841244447089430/posts/YHJA9THHr2H
> 
> Math is really fun to play around with.
> 
>>
>>> The laws of physics prevent man from freely traveling all over the
>>> universe.
>>
>> Actually they don't, it's just that humans think they know all the
>> laws of physics but barely have a clue. Our government is aware of
>> this fact but it's classified.
>>
>>
> 

https://plus.google.com/communities/109460294103647789464

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#726009

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> https://www.foxnews.com/science/harvard-prof-doesnt-back-down-from-claims-extraterrestrial-spacecraft-tech-is-flying-past-jupiter-orbit
> 
> 
> 
> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
> 
> this week or next week?
> 
> i'm not sure how you figure these things out...
> 
> 
> I didn't go to ...Harvard.


 If the transportation from Jupiter to Earth is made via an Einstein-Rosen bridge, the time could be nothing at all.

<smiling>

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#726010

sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>
>> this week or next week?
>> […]
> 
>  If the transportation from Jupiter to Earth is made via an Einstein-Rosen bridge, the time could be nothing at all.
> 
> <smiling>

Or last week :)

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#726014

On 2/5/2019 12:57 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>
>>> this week or next week?
>>> […]
>>
>>  If the transportation from Jupiter to Earth is made via an Einstein-Rosen bridge, the time could be nothing at all.
>>
>> <smiling>
> 
> Or last week :)
> 

what if you went back into the past and met yourself ?

  back about a year.

    =>  you would be in two places at one time.

one would know more than the other,
both would know the same up to that date.

would you give yourself tips on the stock market ?

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#726031

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 14:03:12 -0600, Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 2/5/2019 12:57 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>>
>>>> this week or next week?
>>>> […]
>>>
>>>  If the transportation from Jupiter to Earth is made via an Einstein-Rosen bridge, the time could be nothing at all.
>>>
>>> <smiling>
>> 
>> Or last week :)
>> 
>
>what if you went back into the past and met yourself ?
>
>  back about a year.
>
>    =>  you would be in two places at one time.

Wrong!  You would be in two times in one place.

-- 

Everybody here likes Yours Truly, 
Gregøry Hall - Bombastic Loudmouth of the South

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#726033

On 2019-02-05 3:42 p.m., Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 14:03:12 -0600, Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 2/5/2019 12:57 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>>>
>>>>> this week or next week?
>>>>> […]
>>>>
>>>>   If the transportation from Jupiter to Earth is made via an Einstein-Rosen bridge, the time could be nothing at all.
>>>>
>>>> <smiling>
>>>
>>> Or last week :)
>>>
>>
>> what if you went back into the past and met yourself ?
>>
>>   back about a year.
>>
>>     =>  you would be in two places at one time.
> 
> Wrong!  You would be in two times in one place.
> 

wrong , you would be a freaking idgit in both places at all times

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#726036

On 2/5/2019 4:42 PM, Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq. wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 14:03:12 -0600, Serg Io <invvalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 2/5/2019 12:57 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 11:53:36 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> i mean, if a flying saucer is near planet jupiter
>>>>> how long will it take to get here on Earth?
>>>>>
>>>>> this week or next week?
>>>>> […]
>>>>
>>>>  If the transportation from Jupiter to Earth is made via an Einstein-Rosen bridge, the time could be nothing at all.
>>>>
>>>> <smiling>
>>>
>>> Or last week :)
>>>
>>
>> what if you went back into the past and met yourself ?
>>
>>  back about a year.
>>
>>    =>  you would be in two places at one time.
> 
> Wrong!  You would be in two times in one place.
> 

oh that is deep, going to have to think about that....

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