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The Center of the Universe...

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2018-12-01 12:49 -0800
Last post2018-12-12 23:49 -0800
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  The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-01 12:49 -0800
    Re: The Center of the Universe... mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-01 12:57 -0800
    Re: The Center of the Universe... SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-12-02 12:22 +1100
      Re: The Center of the Universe... Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-12-02 13:34 -0800
      Re: The Center of the Universe... "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 10:20 -0800
        Re: The Center of the Universe... mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-05 11:18 -0800
        Re: The Center of the Universe... "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-12-05 11:41 -0800
        Re: The Center of the Universe... benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 14:55 -0500
          Re: The Center of the Universe... mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-05 12:30 -0800
    Re: The Center of the Universe... Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-12-02 20:46 +1100
    Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-02 13:15 -0800
      Re: The Center of the Universe... pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 17:25 -0800
    Re: The Center of the Universe... casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-12-03 07:22 -0500
      Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-03 09:57 -0800
        Re: The Center of the Universe... % <%@%> - 2018-12-03 10:58 -0700
        Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-08 23:32 -0800
          Re: The Center of the Universe... Rich Carpenter <lcug@kigcohc.pa> - 2018-12-09 16:22 +0000
          Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-09 11:51 -0800
            Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-09 12:38 -0800
              Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-10 00:34 -0800
                Re: The Center of the Universe... benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-10 10:31 -0500
                  Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-10 10:18 -0800
                  Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-10 11:59 -0800
                    Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-12 09:42 -0800
                Re: The Center of the Universe... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-12-12 20:49 -0800
      Re: The Center of the Universe... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 19:38 +0100
    Re: The Center of the Universe... "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-12 23:49 -0800

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#717554

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-10 10:31 -0500
Message-ID<pum0t6$15v2$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#717546
On 12/10/2018 3:34 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the universe is obviously infinite in all dimensions ( including
>>>>>> time ) and without boundaries or limits, it doesn't have a center in
>>>>>> any usual sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> if that were true
>>>>> you wouldn't have
>>>>> what yous
>>>>> called...a
>>>>> singularity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next yous
>>>>> will be saying
>>>>> a black hole
>>>>> has no center.
>>>>>
>>>>>   You simply draw a straight line
>>>>>   from any one star
>>>>>   and draw a line from the direction it
>>>>>   came from.
>>>>>
>>>>>    You just draw a straight line from the opposite direction it's moving.
>>>>>
>>>>>   You then find one another star and do the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>   You will find that the two lines will meet.
>>>>>
>>>>>   That point
>>>>>     the point of origin
>>>>> where and place it meets is
>>>>>
>>>>>   The Center of the Universe.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is accurate, correct and true information.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only information I post is
>>>>>
>>>>> accurate, correct and true information.
>>>>>
>>>>> 100 percent accuracy
>>>>> 100 percent correct
>>>>> 100 percent true.
>>>>>
>>>>> You cannot fool mother nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, does anybody got a pencil?
>>>>
>>>> All stars meet at the same point...the center...they just seem to be spread out randomly, but they are not...
>>>> they all have their place in the universe.
>>>>
>>>> If you look at the universe through 4th dimensional eyes...you can see all the lines are visible.
>>>
>>> Since...thru my observations..of the universe..I can see the universe in it's 4th dimensional state...
>>>
>>> and it appears to me that space, time, exist in the 4th dimension...including Stars.
>>>
>>> In other words, 'Stars' *exist* in the ...4th dimension, along with space and time.
>>>
>>> I don't know if the 'scientific community' have discovered that yet...
>>
>> It's also very possible that Earth exist in the fourth dimension also...and you might not be aware of it, but I cannot say for sure
>> since the earth is too small for me to observe among all these...stars.
> 
> For those of yous who don't know what the fourth dimension looks like...
> 
> it is very simple..
> 
> besides time being in the 4th dimension with space and all the stars...
> 
> the universe is divided in 4 dimensions..
> 
> like a broken mirror.
> 
> A star in one dimension
> would have a mirror version
> of itself in the other
> 3 dimensions.
> 
> All the stars in the universe
> have a mirror version of itself
> in all 4 dimensions.
> 
> The Big Bang broke the mirror
> into 4 parts.
> 
> 
> If you look in the mirror
> of the universe at a couple or
> few stars...say like the big dipper...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   *   *
>             *
>                  *
>                         *
>                 *
>                       *
> 
> 
> 
> it would look this in the other dimension
> 
> 
>                       *
>                 *
>                         *
>                  *
>             *
>   *   *
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> and upside down in the other two dimensions
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i don't know why...it's just the way it is.
> 
Hey babbling drooler, how in hell did you ever get so damn dumb?

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#717573

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-12-10 10:18 -0800
Message-ID<5C0EADF5.1CB4@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#717554
benj wrote:
> 
> On 12/10/2018 3:34 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since the universe is obviously infinite in all dimensions ( including
> >>>>>> time ) and without boundaries or limits, it doesn't have a center in
> >>>>>> any usual sense.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> if that were true
> >>>>> you wouldn't have
> >>>>> what yous
> >>>>> called...a
> >>>>> singularity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Next yous
> >>>>> will be saying
> >>>>> a black hole
> >>>>> has no center.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   You simply draw a straight line
> >>>>>   from any one star
> >>>>>   and draw a line from the direction it
> >>>>>   came from.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    You just draw a straight line from the opposite direction it's moving.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   You then find one another star and do the same thing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   You will find that the two lines will meet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   That point
> >>>>>     the point of origin
> >>>>> where and place it meets is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   The Center of the Universe.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is accurate, correct and true information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only information I post is
> >>>>>
> >>>>> accurate, correct and true information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 100 percent accuracy
> >>>>> 100 percent correct
> >>>>> 100 percent true.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You cannot fool mother nature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, does anybody got a pencil?
> >>>>
> >>>> All stars meet at the same point...the center...they just seem to be spread out randomly, but they are not...
> >>>> they all have their place in the universe.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you look at the universe through 4th dimensional eyes...you can see all the lines are visible.
> >>>
> >>> Since...thru my observations..of the universe..I can see the universe in it's 4th dimensional state...
> >>>
> >>> and it appears to me that space, time, exist in the 4th dimension...including Stars.
> >>>
> >>> In other words, 'Stars' *exist* in the ...4th dimension, along with space and time.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know if the 'scientific community' have discovered that yet...
> >>
> >> It's also very possible that Earth exist in the fourth dimension also...and you might not be aware of it, but I cannot say for sure
> >> since the earth is too small for me to observe among all these...stars.
> >
> > For those of yous who don't know what the fourth dimension looks like...
> >
> > it is very simple..
> >
> > besides time being in the 4th dimension with space and all the stars...
> >
> > the universe is divided in 4 dimensions..
> >
> > like a broken mirror.
> >
> > A star in one dimension
> > would have a mirror version
> > of itself in the other
> > 3 dimensions.
> >
> > All the stars in the universe
> > have a mirror version of itself
> > in all 4 dimensions.
> >
> > The Big Bang broke the mirror
> > into 4 parts.
> >
> >
> > If you look in the mirror
> > of the universe at a couple or
> > few stars...say like the big dipper...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   *   *
> >             *
> >                  *
> >                         *
> >                 *
> >                       *
> >
> >
> >
> > it would look this in the other dimension
> >
> >
> >                       *
> >                 *
> >                         *
> >                  *
> >             *
> >   *   *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > and upside down in the other two dimensions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i don't know why...it's just the way it is.
> >
> Hey babbling drooler, how in hell did you ever get so damn dumb?

well...if you want to know the truth...my science teacher told me if
i illustrated a science book he was writing then i wouldn't have to
do anything in his class and he will pass me.

i guess my science teacher saw i was a fuckin genuies...

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#717583

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-12-10 11:59 -0800
Message-ID<5C0EC5A8.1423@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#717554
benj wrote:
> 
> On 12/10/2018 3:34 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since the universe is obviously infinite in all dimensions ( including
> >>>>>> time ) and without boundaries or limits, it doesn't have a center in
> >>>>>> any usual sense.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> if that were true
> >>>>> you wouldn't have
> >>>>> what yous
> >>>>> called...a
> >>>>> singularity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Next yous
> >>>>> will be saying
> >>>>> a black hole
> >>>>> has no center.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   You simply draw a straight line
> >>>>>   from any one star
> >>>>>   and draw a line from the direction it
> >>>>>   came from.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    You just draw a straight line from the opposite direction it's moving.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   You then find one another star and do the same thing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   You will find that the two lines will meet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   That point
> >>>>>     the point of origin
> >>>>> where and place it meets is
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   The Center of the Universe.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is accurate, correct and true information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only information I post is
> >>>>>
> >>>>> accurate, correct and true information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 100 percent accuracy
> >>>>> 100 percent correct
> >>>>> 100 percent true.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You cannot fool mother nature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, does anybody got a pencil?
> >>>>
> >>>> All stars meet at the same point...the center...they just seem to be spread out randomly, but they are not...
> >>>> they all have their place in the universe.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you look at the universe through 4th dimensional eyes...you can see all the lines are visible.
> >>>
> >>> Since...thru my observations..of the universe..I can see the universe in it's 4th dimensional state...
> >>>
> >>> and it appears to me that space, time, exist in the 4th dimension...including Stars.
> >>>
> >>> In other words, 'Stars' *exist* in the ...4th dimension, along with space and time.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know if the 'scientific community' have discovered that yet...
> >>
> >> It's also very possible that Earth exist in the fourth dimension also...and you might not be aware of it, but I cannot say for sure
> >> since the earth is too small for me to observe among all these...stars.
> >
> > For those of yous who don't know what the fourth dimension looks like...
> >
> > it is very simple..
> >
> > besides time being in the 4th dimension with space and all the stars...
> >
> > the universe is divided in 4 dimensions..
> >
> > like a broken mirror.
> >
> > A star in one dimension
> > would have a mirror version
> > of itself in the other
> > 3 dimensions.
> >
> > All the stars in the universe
> > have a mirror version of itself
> > in all 4 dimensions.
> >
> > The Big Bang broke the mirror
> > into 4 parts.
> >
> >
> > If you look in the mirror
> > of the universe at a couple or
> > few stars...say like the big dipper...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   *   *
> >             *
> >                  *
> >                         *
> >                 *
> >                       *
> >
> >
> >
> > it would look this in the other dimension
> >
> >
> >                       *
> >                 *
> >                         *
> >                  *
> >             *
> >   *   *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > and upside down in the other two dimensions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i don't know why...it's just the way it is.
> >
> Hey babbling drooler, how in hell did you ever get so damn dumb?


You mean like...dumb as a rock? I can be your Secretary of State! wat state you live in?

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#717887

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-12-12 09:42 -0800
Message-ID<5C114873.5A52@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#717583
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> benj wrote:
> >
> > On 12/10/2018 3:34 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Since the universe is obviously infinite in all dimensions ( including
> > >>>>>> time ) and without boundaries or limits, it doesn't have a center in
> > >>>>>> any usual sense.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> if that were true
> > >>>>> you wouldn't have
> > >>>>> what yous
> > >>>>> called...a
> > >>>>> singularity.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Next yous
> > >>>>> will be saying
> > >>>>> a black hole
> > >>>>> has no center.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   You simply draw a straight line
> > >>>>>   from any one star
> > >>>>>   and draw a line from the direction it
> > >>>>>   came from.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>    You just draw a straight line from the opposite direction it's moving.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   You then find one another star and do the same thing.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   You will find that the two lines will meet.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   That point
> > >>>>>     the point of origin
> > >>>>> where and place it meets is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   The Center of the Universe.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is accurate, correct and true information.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The only information I post is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> accurate, correct and true information.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 100 percent accuracy
> > >>>>> 100 percent correct
> > >>>>> 100 percent true.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You cannot fool mother nature.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now, does anybody got a pencil?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> All stars meet at the same point...the center...they just seem to be spread out randomly, but they are not...
> > >>>> they all have their place in the universe.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If you look at the universe through 4th dimensional eyes...you can see all the lines are visible.
> > >>>
> > >>> Since...thru my observations..of the universe..I can see the universe in it's 4th dimensional state...
> > >>>
> > >>> and it appears to me that space, time, exist in the 4th dimension...including Stars.
> > >>>
> > >>> In other words, 'Stars' *exist* in the ...4th dimension, along with space and time.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't know if the 'scientific community' have discovered that yet...
> > >>
> > >> It's also very possible that Earth exist in the fourth dimension also...and you might not be aware of it, but I cannot say for sure
> > >> since the earth is too small for me to observe among all these...stars.
> > >
> > > For those of yous who don't know what the fourth dimension looks like...
> > >
> > > it is very simple..
> > >
> > > besides time being in the 4th dimension with space and all the stars...
> > >
> > > the universe is divided in 4 dimensions..
> > >
> > > like a broken mirror.
> > >
> > > A star in one dimension
> > > would have a mirror version
> > > of itself in the other
> > > 3 dimensions.
> > >
> > > All the stars in the universe
> > > have a mirror version of itself
> > > in all 4 dimensions.
> > >
> > > The Big Bang broke the mirror
> > > into 4 parts.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you look in the mirror
> > > of the universe at a couple or
> > > few stars...say like the big dipper...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   *   *
> > >             *
> > >                  *
> > >                         *
> > >                 *
> > >                       *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > it would look this in the other dimension
> > >
> > >
> > >                       *
> > >                 *
> > >                         *
> > >                  *
> > >             *
> > >   *   *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > and upside down in the other two dimensions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i don't know why...it's just the way it is.
> > >
> > Hey babbling drooler, how in hell did you ever get so damn dumb?
> 
> You mean like...dumb as a rock? I can be your Secretary of State! wat state you live in?


Now, if you do a Image search on Google for the word "dumb" my picture doesn't show up first, guess who's picture does show up?

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#718091

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-12-12 20:49 -0800
Message-ID<5C11E4C9.53F3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#717546
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since the universe is obviously infinite in all dimensions ( including
> > > > > > time ) and without boundaries or limits, it doesn't have a center in
> > > > > > any usual sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > if that were true
> > > > > you wouldn't have
> > > > > what yous
> > > > > called...a
> > > > > singularity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Next yous
> > > > > will be saying
> > > > > a black hole
> > > > > has no center.
> > > > >
> > > > >  You simply draw a straight line
> > > > >  from any one star
> > > > >  and draw a line from the direction it
> > > > >  came from.
> > > > >
> > > > >   You just draw a straight line from the opposite direction it's moving.
> > > > >
> > > > >  You then find one another star and do the same thing.
> > > > >
> > > > >  You will find that the two lines will meet.
> > > > >
> > > > >  That point
> > > > >    the point of origin
> > > > > where and place it meets is
> > > > >
> > > > >  The Center of the Universe.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is accurate, correct and true information.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only information I post is
> > > > >
> > > > > accurate, correct and true information.
> > > > >
> > > > > 100 percent accuracy
> > > > > 100 percent correct
> > > > > 100 percent true.
> > > > >
> > > > > You cannot fool mother nature.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, does anybody got a pencil?
> > > >
> > > > All stars meet at the same point...the center...they just seem to be spread out randomly, but they are not...
> > > > they all have their place in the universe.
> > > >
> > > > If you look at the universe through 4th dimensional eyes...you can see all the lines are visible.
> > >
> > > Since...thru my observations..of the universe..I can see the universe in it's 4th dimensional state...
> > >
> > > and it appears to me that space, time, exist in the 4th dimension...including Stars.
> > >
> > > In other words, 'Stars' *exist* in the ...4th dimension, along with space and time.
> > >
> > > I don't know if the 'scientific community' have discovered that yet...
> >
> > It's also very possible that Earth exist in the fourth dimension also...and you might not be aware of it, but I cannot say for sure
> > since the earth is too small for me to observe among all these...stars.
> 
> For those of yous who don't know what the fourth dimension looks like...
> 
> it is very simple..
> 
> besides time being in the 4th dimension with space and all the stars...
> 
> the universe is divided in 4 dimensions..
> 
> like a broken mirror.
> 
> A star in one dimension
> would have a mirror version
> of itself in the other
> 3 dimensions.
> 
> All the stars in the universe
> have a mirror version of itself
> in all 4 dimensions.
> 
> The Big Bang broke the mirror
> into 4 parts.
> 
> If you look in the mirror
> of the universe at a couple or
> few stars...say like the big dipper...
> 
>  *   *
>            *
>                 *
>                        *
>                *
>                      *
> 
> it would look this in the other dimension
> 
>                      *
>                *
>                        *
>                 *
>            *
>  *   *
> 
> and upside down in the other two dimensions
> 
> i don't know why...it's just the way it is.



Those of yous with...a little more knowledge than others will probably exclaim that what I am
describing appears very much like a Holographic Universe..but it isn't.

The difference is mines contains...all the information in the 4th dimension...and it is projected to the other three.

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#716423

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-12-03 19:38 +0100
Message-ID<2b562a57-8f6f-8c8f-89fc-e5f43dba2d0b@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#716352
casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> Since the universe is obviously infinite in all dimensions ( including
> time ) and without boundaries or limits,

That is as "obvious" as ”red” is “green” and “1 + 1 = 42”.

> it doesn't have a center in any usual sense.

That is true even if it is not infinite because expansion of our universe
is a metric one.

Stop amok-crossposting.

F’up2 sci.physics.relativity (as it pertains to cosmology)

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#718132

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-12-12 23:49 -0800
Message-ID<put2uq$f9s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#716001
On 12/1/2018 12:49 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I don't know where the center of the universe is at...
> 
> but if you believe the center of the universe begins at the
> big bang, then it's simple to determine the
> center of the universe.
> 
> You simply draw a straight line
> from any one star
> and draw a line from the direction it
> came from.
> 
> The tough part is determining which way the star is moving.
> 
> Then you just draw a straight line from the opposite direction it's moving.
> 
> 
> You then find one another star and do the same thing.
> 
> You will find that the two lines will meet.
> 
> 
> That point which it meets is
> 
> 
> 
> The Center of the Universe.

The fractalbation of the local of local localities... Turtles all the 
way down. ;^)

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