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  Re: Steady State Universe Unreasonable The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-16 10:56 -0700
    Re: Steady State Universe Unreasonable Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 18:07 +0000
    Re: Steady State Universe Unreasonable Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-16 21:40 +0200
    Re: Steady State Universe Unreasonable mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-16 13:34 -0700
    Re: Steady State Universe Unreasonable The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-18 21:46 -0700

#702970 — Re: Steady State Universe Unreasonable

Mark Earnest wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Double-A wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 1:40:14 PM UTC-7, Mark Earnest wrote:
> > > To say the universe was always there is beyond comprehension.  Don't even try to
> > >
> > > imagine infinite regression into reverse time.  It is impossible.  By now
> > >
> > > everything would be evolved into the clouds and beyond.
> >
> >
> > Don't you find the idea that the universe suddenly just blew up out of nothing to be equally beyond comprehension?
> >
> > Double-A
> 
> No since the order of everything is to have a beginning. 


It reads: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens ...and the earth.'


Now, "In the beginning" was not at the big bang or after the big bang, but Before the big bang. Then, after the big bang, God created the earth.


He set the stage..


and everyone plays his part..



The steady state universe existed Before the big bang....ask Albert Einstein.


I mean, ...yous people keep forgetting it was Albert Einstein who invented the big bang...After his steady state universe.



Albert Einstein never stopped believing in the 'steady state universe', he just set it aside because it
was gettin in the way of his big bang...theory of generalrelativity...gig.


https://www.nature.com/news/einstein-s-lost-theory-uncovered-1.14767

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#702975

The Starmaker wrote:

> Albert Einstein never stopped believing in the 'steady state universe',
> he just set it aside because it was gettin in the way of his big
> bang...theory of generalrelativity...gig.

Which is what invalidates his chemical reaction scale theory of 
relativity. Which only relates to that (chemically).

However, the domain of creation, say big bang, involves the quantum 
NUCLEAR domain, hence nuclear reactions. Something realtivity cannot 
compute. Also, the necessary preconditions to bigbang are going still 
missing.

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#702986

The Starmaker wrote:
> It reads: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens ...and the earth.'
>
> Now, "In the beginning" was not at the big bang or after the big bang, but Before the big bang. Then, after the big bang, God created the earth.
> 
> He set the stage..
> 
> and everyone plays his part..

Good grief.

> The steady state universe existed Before the big bang....ask Albert Einstein.

   “Learn reason above all.  Learn clear thought: learn to know
    what is from what seems to be, and what you wish to be.”

      ─Surak

You are posting science-fiction again.

Einstein did not claim what you claim.  He was not that stupid.
The Big Bang theory and the Steady State theory contradict(ed) each other.

> I mean, ...yous people keep forgetting it was Albert Einstein who invented the big bang...

He did not.  The idea originated from a Belgian priest and astronomer,
Georges Lemaître.  It was only based on (Einstein’s) general relativity.

> After his steady state universe.

The steady-state model of our universe is an idea that was first *published*
by the British astronomer and physicist Sir Fred Hoyle in 1948.  It was he
who coined then then-derogatory term “Big Bang” for the theory competing
with his.

The Steady State model has been falsified by observation, but Hoyle believed
in it to his death in 2001.

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2011 has been awarded for the 1998 discovery of
the accelerated expansion of our universe based on the observation of
distant type-Ⅰa supernovae:

<https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2011/summary/>

And every other observation before and since then (e.g. those of the Planck
Collaboration 2018, with the “Planck” spacecraft) has confirmed the Big Bang
theory.

So for now the matter is settled:

The Big Bang theory is part of the current standard model of cosmology (ΛCDM
model, where “Λ” stands for the cosmological constant that is explained by
dark energy and drives the accelerated expansion – see below –, and “CDM”
for “cold dark matter”).

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model>

> Albert Einstein never stopped believing in the 'steady state universe',

He never believed in it in the first place as the theory was proposed, and
the term was coined, by Hoyle just a few years (1948) before Einstein died
(1955).

The _static_ universe that everyone (not only Einstein) at the time (1920s)
thought would exist (because there were no observational evidence to the
contrary before Hubble’s observations of distant galaxies) Einstein
renounced already in 1926, before he learned of Hubble’s observations
(1929).  There is a famous postcard that shows this (translated, it says
“then away with the cosmological term”).

Einstein introduced the “cosmological term”, with the “cosmological
constant” Λ, in his field equations in order to maintain a universe with
mass that would not collapse under its own mass:

  G_µν ≡ R_µν − ½ R g_µν + Λ g_µν = 8π G∕c⁴ T_µν
                           `----'
                      “cosmological term”

As it turned out that the universe was actually expanding on its own,
there was no need for that term anymore, and Einstein removed it again:

  G_µν ≡ R_µν − ½ R g_µν          = 8π G∕c⁴ T_µν

Only that it turned out decades later that Einstein was wrong about being
wrong about the cosmological constant, as the *accelerated* expansion shows:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_field_equations#The_cosmological_constant>

> he just set it aside because it was gettin in the way of his big bang...
> theory of generalrelativity...gig.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

> https://www.nature.com/news/einstein-s-lost-theory-uncovered-1.14767

You simply cannot read *comprehensively*:

| Einstein’s unpublished manuscript suggests that, at first, he believed
| that such a mechanism could arise from his original theory without
| modification. But then he realized that he had made a mistake in his
| calculations, O’Raifeartaigh and his team suggest. When he corrected it —
| crossing out a number with a pen of a different colour — he probably
| decided that the idea would not work and set it aside.

F’up2 sci.physics.relativity

-- 
PointedEars

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Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#702988

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Mark Earnest wrote:
> > 
> > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Double-A wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 1:40:14 PM UTC-7, Mark Earnest wrote:
> > > > To say the universe was always there is beyond comprehension.  Don't even try to
> > > >
> > > > imagine infinite regression into reverse time.  It is impossible.  By now
> > > >
> > > > everything would be evolved into the clouds and beyond.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't you find the idea that the universe suddenly just blew up out of nothing to be equally beyond comprehension?
> > >
> > > Double-A
> > 
> > No since the order of everything is to have a beginning. 
> 
> 
> It reads: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens ...and the earth.'
> 
> 
> Now, "In the beginning" was not at the big bang or after the big bang, but Before the big bang. Then, after the big bang, God created the earth.
> 
> 
> He set the stage..
> 
> 
> and everyone plays his part..
> 
> 
> 
> The steady state universe existed Before the big bang....ask Albert Einstein.
> 
> 
> I mean, ...yous people keep forgetting it was Albert Einstein who invented the big bang...After his steady state universe.
> 
> 
> 
> Albert Einstein never stopped believing in the 'steady state universe', he just set it aside because it
> was gettin in the way of his big bang...theory of generalrelativity...gig.
> 
> 
> https://www.nature.com/news/einstein-s-lost-theory-uncovered-1.14767

He believed in a re-creating God. Not a death of the universe like
Stephen Hawking. God renewing...

Death Universe he thought of as atheist nonsense...
scientific idiocy... instead a forever universe by God...

Mitchell Raemsch

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#703466

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Mark Earnest wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Double-A wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 1:40:14 PM UTC-7, Mark Earnest wrote:
> > > > To say the universe was always there is beyond comprehension.  Don't even try to
> > > >
> > > > imagine infinite regression into reverse time.  It is impossible.  By now
> > > >
> > > > everything would be evolved into the clouds and beyond.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't you find the idea that the universe suddenly just blew up out of nothing to be equally beyond comprehension?
> > >
> > > Double-A
> >
> > No since the order of everything is to have a beginning.
> 
> It reads: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens ...and the earth.'
> 
> Now, "In the beginning" was not at the big bang or after the big bang, but Before the big bang. Then, after the big bang, God created the earth.
> 
> He set the stage..
> 
> and everyone plays his part..
> 
> The steady state universe existed Before the big bang....ask Albert Einstein.
> 
> I mean, ...yous people keep forgetting it was Albert Einstein who invented the big bang...After his steady state universe.
> 
> Albert Einstein never stopped believing in the 'steady state universe', he just set it aside because it
> was gettin in the way of his big bang...theory of generalrelativity...gig.
> 
> https://www.nature.com/news/einstein-s-lost-theory-uncovered-1.14767


Now that I got rid of the rift-raft of these newsgroups, I can continue where I last left off...



This is called: Einstein’s steady-state model of the universe
https://arxiv.org/vc/arxiv/papers/1402/1402.0132v1.pdf

We present a translation and analysis of an unpublished manuscript by Albert Einstein
in which he proposed a 'steady-state' model of the universe. 


(any "suggestions" the author/translator made needs to be ignored) 


As I already stated:

Albert Einstein never stopped believing in the 'steady state universe', he just 'set it aside' because it
was gettin in the way of his big bang...theory of generalrelativity...gig.


The Starmaker

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